Bring Back Jason Kidd to the Bay! ...Why not?
by R Dizzle on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 PM PDT
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- 9 time NBA All Star
All-NBA First Team
(1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004) - All-NBA Second Team
(2003)
- All-Defensive First Team
(1999, 2001, 2002, 2006)
- All-Defensive Second Team
(2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team
(1995)
- 1995 NBA co-Rookie of the Year
- 2003 NBA Skills Challenge Champion
- 1992 Naismith Prep Player of the Year
- 100 triple-doubles
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would be nice.. but kidd wants to go to a contender.. he wants a ring. not to rebuild with us.
by saintdee on Jun 30, 2009 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, there is talk about “Just Kidding” (someone has got to have used that nickname before, right?)
Kidd’s nickname will always be Ason because he has no J.
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kidd?
Marco has more game than Kidd at this point.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh skep, thats just so not true
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes!!
There goes the Joaquin Phoenix pic, LOL. Thanks Sam
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This pic is soooo funny
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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that a joke? The man is still the only guard in the league that is legitimately a triple double threat every night.
by Calamity on Jun 30, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Paul would like a word with you
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The man is still the only guard in the league that is legitimately a triple double threat every night.
Was, was a triple threat. :>) Come back at the end of next season with a recap.
Marco is rising and Kidd is aging as we speak so I’m playin the odds.
Give me both in the same situation and I think Marco’s young legs could run Kidd into the ground. Aging is not rocket science, it pretty basic stuff.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd averaged close to 3 times as many assists as Marco per 36 mins last year. He also averaged over twice as many rebounds and twice as many steals per 36. You’d need a HUGE dropoff from Kidd AND dramatic improvement Marco.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great points. Also guess who shot a higher 3pt % last season?
Marco Belinelli- 39.7% 3pt
Jason Kidd- 40.6% 3pt
Belinelli couldn’t buy time on bad a team desperate for a point guard last season. It’s true that Kidd is aging and declining, but that’s still superior to anything Belinelli will be producing next season and possibly the year after- I figure he’ll be out of the league by 2012 or so.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 30, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figure he’ll be out of the league by 2012 or so.
False. He’s never going to be Kidd but give the guy a break. A serviceable end of rotation guy at the very least for the next 6-7 years. Regardless, Belinelli wont be with the team much longer but someone will make good use of him.
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by misterjennings on Jul 1, 2009 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
False?
How do you know? Former Warriors savior Jiri Welsch had a far superior sophomore campaign to Belinelli and a much bigger basketball body and was out of the league after year 4.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 1, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belinelli couldn’t buy time on bad a team desperate for a point guard last season.
Marco had figured it out just before he got hurt. If he can play at that level all the time he’ll pass Kidd in utility this year( and you know I’m not a Marco fan, just an unbiased observer)
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The free agents?
Looking at that list one guy looks interesting. David Lee? If the Knicks want Curry so bad maybe we can get Lee in a deal?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO!Curry is not going anywhere.
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jun 30, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry is not going anywhere. ?
You wouldn’t trade a skinny duplicate of Montay for a scrappy rebounder? You want to make tikka masala while I want to win games?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
If you’re going to make that your signature pic you might want to shrink it down a bit.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Perfect. It’s actually funnier small for some reason.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 30, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol'd
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jul 1, 2009 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I set you up for that one…
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 1, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that pic is awesome sam
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Kidd anyday of the week
as long as he doesn’t demand a huge contract,I say 4-5m for him per year.
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jun 30, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather spend that money on somebody more, you know, USEFUL
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jun 30, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Useful as in what, scoring?
I would say that 9 ast/6 rbs per game is still quite useful on a team desperate for a playmaking PG and some help with the boards. In fact, he doesn’t need to shoot to be effective. Signing Kidd with the MLE for one or two years would be great.
by WYK on Jun 30, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for 1 year
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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who doesn't think Jason Kidd can still play
Is just Kidding themselves (sorry bad joke). Well jokes aside, anyone who doesn’t think Kidd can still play just hasn’t done their homework.
Before people say how washed up he is look at his numbers the past few seasons.
Note:
- he’s morphed into a very nice 3pt shooter- 40.6% 3pt last season
- he’s still an elite passer with nearly 9 dimes a game to only 2 turnovers
- 6.2 rpg last season
- 2 steals last season
- played in 321 out of 328 possible games the last 4 seasons
Unlike the Warriors other 2 primary ball handlers Monta and Jack, no one is ever going to accuse JKidd of being a black hole or regularly making dumb decisions with the rock.
He’s a perfect PG guard alongside Monta. Kidd is still a phenomenal distributor and he’s big enough and still able to guard the non-elite 2 guards in this league.
By the way Kidd recovered just fine from that microfracture surgery back in the summer of 2004.
Getting Kidd even if it’s for just 1 year is a great idea. I’m just not sure he’d be up for it… unless maybe Amare 2 the Bay happened!
PG: Jason Kidd
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Stephen Jackson
PF: Anthony Randolph
C: Amare Stoudemire
Bench: Anthony Morrow, Corey Maggette, Stephen Curry, Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike,
Can you say PLAYOFFS?!
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 30, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah signing Kidd would be a good move if we actually close the Stoudemire trade,
If not it just doesnt make any sense for either party.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you say PLAYOFFS?!
I don’t think Amare wants to be a center? and I doubt Kidd has another very good year left in him, Nellie would run him into the ground. We’d have to give them curry to get amare so Kidd would hafta play big minutes on old legs.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Amare wants to be a center?
Fine tell him he’s the PF.
I doubt Kidd has another very good year left in him, Nellie would run him into the ground
Sorry not buying that. Kidd played nearly 36 minutes a game last year in 81 games. He has been playing around 37 minutes a game for the past 10 years.
Again, I’d venture to say that 99% of the people who voted “NO – Too old, too washed up, at the end of his career” in the poll above did ZERO research.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 30, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d venture to say that 99% of the people who voted "NO – Too old, too washed up, at the end of his career" in the poll above did ZERO research.
He’s 36 years old, how much research do you need to do to understand that? He might have played 37 minutes per game but Nellie will wanna play him 40 minutes at a faster pace just like he does Jax. Kidd would be better off playing somewhere else with a style better suited to his age, he’s probably a great fit for something like a DHo or Lebron led team?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem ...
Signing Jason Kidd for a year or two will definitely improve the odds of us getting into the playoffs.
However, that’s all it does. And the goal, we should remember, isn’t to be the eighth-best team in the west, it’s to contend for, and hopefully win, a championship.
And what happens if we sign Kidd?
Monta doesn’t learn to be a PG. We don’t learn if Monta is capable of being a PG. Curry loses minutes. We don’t figure out what we have in Law. Remember that Nellie is our coach, and he’s proven himself not capable of limiting older player’s minutes in favor of rookies, even when the veteran’s wearing down is clearly killing the season.
So yeah, we get a year or two of Kidd. And then what? We’re exactly where we are no, with no better knowledge about our players, and no path to improvement.
This team needs to throw Monta in the fire feetfirst and see what we have in him. He needs to be able to play through his learning-the-point mistakes, even if it costs us a few wins or even – gasp – the playoffs.
But Nellie won’t do that with Kidd on the team. And as a result we’ll, at best, tread water around the 8th-10th seed in the west for three more years.
by Ronaldinho on Jun 30, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Jason Kidd for a year or two will definitely improve the odds of us getting into the playoffs.
However, that’s all it does.
That’s plenty. I’ll take a trip or two to the playoffs after seeing this team not make the playoffs 14 out of the past 15 years.
And the goal, we should remember, isn’t to be the eighth-best team in the west, it’s to contend for, and hopefully win, a championship.
Rome wasn’t built in one day and a championship team isn’t going to be built from a lottery team in one move. If you try to evaluate every move as whether it will bring the team a championship, you’re not going to make a move and continue to suck as a mid-lotto team- just like the Amare trade.
Look here’s a bold prediction for everyone. The Warriors will not win a championship in the next 10 probably 20 years. It’s time to focus on just get into the playoffs regularly for a change. Let’s not waste time about talking about contention or even winning a championship. It ain’t happening. The first priority here needs to be changing the losing culture.
Monta doesn’t learn to be a PG. We don’t learn if Monta is capable of being a PG. Curry loses minutes. We don’t figure out what we have in Law.
Monta is not a PG and hasn’t really showed any signs of being a solid 1 guard with his high turnover rate. A rookie “losing” minutes isn’t a worry. Make him earn it. You don’t hold off on bringing the potential for a nightly triple double to find out what a lotto bust who’s biggest use will probably be as an expiring contract can you do for you.
Also think Amare will like running the pick and roll with Kidd? Think Monta will love running out on the 1 man fast break will Kidd rebounding the rock and dishing a laser pass to him? Think Corey Maggette will love finishing the fast break or long lobs from Kidd? Think everyone will be complaining a lot loss about Jack’s turnovers?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 30, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s plenty. I’ll take a trip or two to the playoffs after seeing this team not make the playoffs 14 out of the past 15 years.
And then we’ll be right back in the lottery.
Rome wasn’t built in one day and a championship team isn’t going to be built from a lottery team in one move. If you try to evaluate every move as whether it will bring the team a championship, you’re not going to make a move and continue to suck as a mid-lotto team- just like the Amare trade.
Here you’re setting up a straw man, because NOBODY is saying that we should only make a trade if it delivers us a championship.
Rather, what I’m saying is that we should only make a trade if it moves us towards being a championship team. Getting Amare could do that, if his health holds up and we are capable of replacing our lost rebounding with another acquisition or internal development. (eg, if Wright finds a motor and starts earning quality minutes, and Randolph learns to play the three so we can put three quality rebounders on the floor). Getting Kidd, however, doesn’t – because by the time we added the other pieces it would require he’d be long gone – and in the meantime he’s hurting our internal development.
The problem is that signing Kidd is going for possible short-term improvement at the cost of hurting our long-term prospects. That’s a much, much smaller issue with the Amare trade, since you could expect Amare to be a highly productive player for five years, even if is production starts to decline during that time.
The first priority here needs to be changing the losing culture.
That’s the easiest thing in the world to change. After all, we didn’t have a “losing culture” two years ago when we made the playoffs and upset the Mavs, did we? Sure didn’t feel like it. And then the next year when Baron decided he didn’t need to play defense, and every body figured, “what the hell, I’ll just drive 1 – on – 3,” it sure felt like it came back.
If you’re worried about how the rest of the league views us, then a year or two of scraping into the playoffs is not going to do anything.
Monta is not a PG and hasn’t really showed any signs of being a solid 1 guard with his high turnover rate. A rookie "losing" minutes isn’t a worry. Make him earn it.
No, Monta hasn’t shown those signs … but he also hasn’t played on a team where it was expected of him yet. As far as Curry’s minutes are concerned, of course he has to earn them. But he’ll still have to earn them if hte team has Monta and Law, there are no gifts here.
And I know this is hard for you because it involves criticizing Nellie, but the guy is clearly focused on wins, now … and sometimes you have to let guys out there and play through mistakes.
I’m much more open to landing Kidd if we got Amare, but I’m now of the opinion that Amare’s not coming.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m put 99% of the blame on the ESPN bashing of the Harris/Kidd trade for Kidd’s now commonly accepted “washed up” reputation
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
…his immolation under the gaze of Chris Paul in ’08 is the bigger reason.
by Zack Vank on Jul 1, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea it is a bad joke lol
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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to the that Atma
I had thought that J-Kidd could be a possibility if this Amare trade goes down. He can still pass and defend with the best of the NBA, two areas where the Dubs need to improve.
by NoMoreDizzle on Jul 1, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do it
If Curry is our PG of the future, he needs to develope under an experienced veteran such as Kidd
by GSWfanJR on Jun 30, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LEON POWEEEEEE
is who we should bring back, despite the knees.
by dong4ce on Jun 30, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You bet
Give him a 3 year deal and let him recover from his injury at his own pace.
I mean, the Dubs aren’t going to have cap space anyway…
by dprodigy19 on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd ain't coming
Listen Kidd would rather play with Lebron and Kobe then play for our beloved team.
Really what we need is a player like big baby or leon powe, our weakness is PF and
with either of them we can see an avg of 14 pts n 10 rebs. I think leon powe can be had
since he is from da bay. If we trade for Amare I would love to see Gorat play with him dat
guy can get us double double every night check his stats when he avg over 20 mins
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Jun 30, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So he can turn this team around 360 degrees?
Azubuike? More like Azucutie!
by goldenstatelove on Jun 30, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Trade Monta for a good big, swing (who can play D), or for expiring contracts.
And sign him for 1-2 seasons. Let Curry back him up while playing the 2 sporadically.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 30, 2009 10:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From the Dallas games I’ve seen, Kidd gets a lot of assists off passes to jumpshooters, usually in transition. While we do run a lot, it would be great to have a PG who can get into the lane to distribute, which is when Biedrins’ off ball movement can really shine. I think Monta, CJ, and Steph are all more legitimate threats to get into the lane, and I’d hate to use the MLE on a PG who can’t do that.
by rjnarayen on Jun 30, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be cool
Does anyone know the name of that guy who was friends with Gary Payton and Jason Kidd. They said he was better than both of them and he had like 40-45 inch verticle, but then he got addicted to crack and went to jail. There was a documentary on him a while back and it was dope. He even did some half time dunk contests with the Kings and maybe the Dubs. Anyway I’m curious about that guy, he was supposed to be amazing and he played Junior college ball in the north bay.
by T-Money on Jun 30, 2009 11:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's the best Oakland player of all time
I figured people wouldn’t see my comment but I wanna know that guys name, he’s some short black guy with a nasty all around game who could punk Gary and Jason.
by T-Money on Jun 30, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd is good, just not for the Warriors
gotta love those Bay boys, but it just doesn’t fit. The Warriors have committed to Monta as the #1 PG on our team. Kidd doesn’t give us a chance to win a championship, so let’s just think about the future. I want to see Monta play full time PG for an entire season before I can speculate if he can do it or not. Masala is going to be a rookie, not our savior. Monta is here right now, we know he’s a good scorer, we need him to learn how to lead our team into the future!
by leftcoast_resident on Jun 30, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Love it!
Bringing Kidd to the bay? woow, I think it’ll be good to the Warriors. Bringing experience to inexperience guards? That would be a Great addition. I diggin’ Acie Law right now.
by justinleagueheroes on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t get too attached to/excited about Acie just yet if I was you
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Kidd-ing... BRING IN THE BIRDMAN!
Not Kidd. He doesn’t have a lot left anyway. The team needs to spend money on the front court. Looking at the current free agents I am thinking the Birdman Chris Andersen from Denver would be perfect. Runs the floor, would fit in really well, rebounds well which we need. ENERGY! I have to admit though… I didnt think of this on my own —> www.OaklandSportNews.com
by ShowtimeBuchanon on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Birdman will NEVER leave Denver
They stuck by him during his suspension and he is incredibly loyal to them for it.
Plus, we already have Turiaf
by dprodigy19 on Jul 1, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They stuck by him during his suspension and he is incredibly loyal to them for it.
except for the part where he was with the Hornets immediately before and immediately after his suspension.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 1, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
except for the part where he was with the Hornets immediately before and immediately after his suspension.
Hi Sam, I saw an interview of Andersen and he emphatically said he definitely wants to re-sign with denver.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 1, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless of course we pull a DFish or Maggs on him
and grossly over pay for him (drop the full MLE). Leon Powe is an unrestricted free agent, not sure we want him unless we move BW, but someone worth keeping an eye out for.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 1, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only stayed in NO because they owned his rights
Birdman came back mid-season, and because of his contract with the Hornets before he got suspended, they owned his rights until the end of that season. He finished it there and then returned to the city where he had been living throughout his suspension (Denver).
by dprodigy19 on Jul 2, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How sick and tired am I of hearing lets think about the future
Kidd getting rebounds and distributing to monta, jack, ar, morrow, and marco is a lot better than monta trying to.
offer him the MLE for 1 year and run with it. whats the worst that could happen…we win only 29 games?
ooops that happened already.
by CSalMJS on Jul 1, 2009 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
nellieball doesn't get running without a true point
curry? law? monta? Kidd would be a major upgrade, but if not…the point still needs to be filled. I don’t see us winning more than 40 games next year with what we have.
Get a true point..remember, we’re still trying to fill the passing void that Baron left.
by cliffordROZIER'sface on Jul 1, 2009 1:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nellieball...
…always fails in the end, too. At least the Don Nelson spearheaded style of quickball. Consider for a moment how many coaches who have no championship success and are reaching retirement age are allowed to shape the team to their image? We’ve got a 69 year old coach who has a sub-.500 record with us for this stint, the result of a 42-40 miracle run, a 48-34 non-playoff grind, followed by an utter collapse at 29-53. I can’t think of any team in the NBA that seems to be in this position, wherein the front office seems almost nervy and at the behest of its head coach.
What happens when Nelson’s gone, when the team is stocked with all gun, no defense players that any sane coach would never want the drama of?
by Zack Vank on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced that "nellieball" can't be successful ...
… but defense matters, and Nellie has clearly cared less and less about defense as he’s gotten older.
I don’t blame Nellie for not winning a championship, because he’s never had championship-level talent. That being said, it no longer seems like Nellie is capable of getting the most out of his talent. He seems unwilling to stand up to his veterans and get them to play team defense. He also seems incapable of making adjustments for the long-term good of the team (like resting Baron more during that 48-34 year … when if he hadn’t broken down, we probably could have made the playoffs).
His abdication of defensive coaching this year was, in my mind, the last straw. He’s got to go.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got to go.
yeah, but he aint leaving till he gets his record, I think he needs like 30 so he might have to come back next season as well, because there is no guarantee that this roster can get us to 30 win.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Monta comes back 100% and his head is on straight
There’s very little reason to assume we’re that bad.
I think a lot of people overestimate how bad we are because we were so abysmal last season. I’m not saying we’re great, but we’re not that horrible. Last year we lost our best player, essentially for the entire season.
Of course, it’s quite possible that the team has picked up some bad habits in the past year. I’m particularly worried about Jackson, who simply isn’t as good a player as he thinks he is.
But Monta, Biedrins, and Randolph are actually a very reasonable core. Quite frankly, I don’t think it’d much improvement from Randolph to make us a solidly low-40s win team … assuming the team gets its defensive act together, which I’m not sure about.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 1, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit,
I did say the 30 win part for dramatic effect. Its only possible if we have a nightmare of injuries on the court or via moped to slow us down again this year
I don’t think it’d much improvement from Randolph to make us a solidly low-40s win team
I dont know, maybe. I would pencil in 44 as the max win total, assuming we bring back the same roster and a minimum of 36, of course not counting any major injuries just the ones we can expect, ie Maggette out 10-15 games.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 1, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Birdman>>Turiaf and will cost around the same. Of course Kidd gets rebounds with his 6’4" 220 frame and the fact that guards are not going to box out in general. And of course his assist totals will be high on the Mavericks. Look at all the shooters they have which is compounded by defensive attention on Nowitski. As for his shooting percentages improving, it is only because of improved selection. If you notice when he takes like 15+ shots things go bad for the Mavs, the less the better which he realizes, and again with Nowitski, he’s more open than in the past. Don’t tell me in NJ because there was noone to doubleteam off of on that Nets team their lineup was solid there they didn’t have one of the Dampiers of the world playing heavy minutes!
by polar on Jul 1, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bellinelli will not ‘be out of the league’ anytime soon. If he ends up leaving watch how he becomes a star when getting actual playing time. This year we should go Ellis, Bellinelli (platoon w/ Azebuike), Jackson, Randolph, Biedrins and right now is the time to sign a Gortat, Birdman, Bass, etc for defensive help heavy off the bench inside if we can’t get rid of Maggette in a trade to address that. Also Jamario Moon or some other defenseful active athlete (aka Ariza if possible) at the 3 would back up Jackson. But who would want/need a Maggette is the question. Not only should we not care about Stoudemire, but acquiring an all-star with the talent we have would be a ripoff for us since Nelson has been showcasing our players to the league with inappropriate playing time division. We can get to the second round this year without any luck if we can unload Maggette and receive/sign an athletic defensive 3 and receive/sign a defensive rebounding 4/5 (see above) that’s not too slow. Also play Bellinelli more he’s underrated.
by polar on Jul 1, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you can sign him for cheap, then do it. It’d be great for Curry to learn from him, especially since he’s Nelson rarely plays his rookies. Who else does he have to learn from? If anything, he can help him with the mental aspect of the game, and show him what it takes to play great defense.
I don’t think it’s completely necessary to have another guard on our team, unless we trade some of them away for a big man. Isn’t Nelson supposed to be pretty good with the point guard’s anyways? He sure turned Baron Davis around.
by aBulldog on Jul 1, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YES
we need veteran leadership, plain and simple. We need an Alonzo Mourning, a Shane Battier, a Chauncey Billups, an Anthony Johnson.
I don’t care if Kidd even plays, the youngest team in the league needs a veteran.
Plus, a lineup of Kidd/Ellis/Jackson/Randolph/Amar’e with Maggs, Azubuike, Masala and Turiaf coming off the bench is pretty sweet….
by bradyk2 on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Needs: PG Leadership & Low Post Toughness
Our biggest needs are PG leadership and low post toughness. Jason Kidd will bring his “Yoda-like” knowledge and mentoring to both Monta and Stephen Curry. Baron Davis taught Monta how to be fearless and when to take the big shot. We need Kidd’s pressence to teach our guards on how to pass, play D, and be unselfish. Sign Kidd to the mid level exception and bring #5 home!!!
I can see why the Warriors are willing to give up the farm to get Stoudemire. He brings toughness and explosiveness to the paint and low post. Turiaf is the closest thing we have to a bruiser, but he is best coming off the bench to spell Biedrins and whoever we start at PF. If the Stoudemire trade fizzles . . . we should trade for Leon Powe or package a deal for Josh Smith. Powe can come cheap and can help our low post scoring and rebounding. Josh Smith is a young Stoudemire with better defense and rebounding. Our core team would look like this . . . .
DEPTH CHART
PG: Kidd, Curry, Law
SG: Ellis, Azubuike, Morrow
SF: Randolph, Jackson
PF: Josh Smith or Leon Powe, Davidson
C: Biedrins, Turiaf
Trade Bait: Watson, Maggette, Wright, Belinelli
by SC Warrior on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's what i like to see
Although I’d rather have Jackson start, and Randolph back up both the 3 and 4 spots. I don’t see why that starting lineup can’t compete for a 3-8 spot out west…
by bradyk2 on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I was more optimistic about "mentoring"
I think that young guys get mentored when they’re on a team with a star in his prime (if he’s the right star) – I mean, how could you be one of Jordan’s teammates and not bust you ass off in practice when you see how hard he’s working.
But once a player is on his downslope, I’m not sure how much value that is. Aging veterans get held out of practices. It wasn’t that long ago that Mookie Blaylock was brought in to mentor some of our young players, and that backfired.
I’m not saying that Kidd would be like Mookie in that respect, but I think for that sort of mentoring to happen, you really need a player who’s got the hunger and can still bring it every day. And I don’t know if that’s Kidd.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 2, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LONG LIVE BLAYLOCK!!!
Fan #1 Here!!
F**K REFS
by faetati on Jul 2, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd
He would be a nice person to have around to show Ellis/Curry how to play the position. I honestly think we would make the playoffs with the addition of Kidd but it will not happen
by bushido on Jul 4, 2009 1:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
does Kidd really have three years of good ball left?
guesses on his offers so far are three yrs./16m.+ from NY, where he’d also get mucho extras and shill the team for recruiting l-b-j, or three/25-30m. from cuban. as a mediocre team, the woe-yrs can’t offer anything comparable in terms of feeding his ego or pocketbook—he’s not about to get warm and fuzzy about helping his hometown team, knowing it’s about what he profits from putting money in the owner’s account.
by the.monk on Jul 4, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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