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Around SBN: Raiders' GM Begins The Purge

The END of the SUNS, be happy!


We have a right to be pessimistic given the awful luck we've had over the years - (first image I get in my mind is the drafting of B. Wright with hopes of landing KG, ouch!)  There are countless reasons to be pessimistic.  But if you take a deep breath, sit back for a second and soak it all in, it's easy to see what's happening:  The Suns are coming to an end.  We're about to pass them up.

The media is going nuts with this trade babble because it is evident.  I SENSED IT as soon as that idiot Kerr went from being one of the worst writers in the history of Yahoo! Sports to GM of the Suns.  We all sensed it when Shaq became a Sun.  We all sensed it when Marion left.  We all sensed it when D'Antoni left.  We all sensed it when Amare started being vocal.  We all sensed it when Nash started to show serious signs of age.  And we all sensed it when the Suns traded Shaq for nothing.

AND NELLIE SENSES IT BECAUSE HE HAS THOSE F*&^&*$ BY THE BALLS. 

The truth is, we have the best offer for Amare even WITHOUT Curry.  There was no deal on the table, and we know it.  There were just some serious discussions before we drafted our guy.   Let's give Nellie credit, you can criticize his coaching/defense but overall Don Nelson is an excellent GM/drafter.  The media is having a field day because this trade will officially end the Suns status as a playoff team/contender.  It was a great run.  I've enjoyed watching them and their style over the years, especially those classic 300 point games against the Dubs.  But I'm enjoying all this media attention because I can see it in the Phoenix media's tone.  They are bitter and desparate to try and stir something up.  SORRY GUYS!  TOO LATE! 

For us, though we can debate it all day long, the bottom line is trading Andris (and scrubs) for Amar'e really makes us a better team and almost a sure lock as a playoff team.  Amar'e has risks, but he's an all star.  He'll get voted in for sure and fans aren't stupid, they vote for a reason.

Did you think the Suns would drift away silently?  Their media is way more on their side.  We are stuck with individuals like a certain writer whose name I cannot mention for fear of getting disciplined.  But y'all know who I'm talkin about. Wish our media had more "homers".  (BTW where is Janny Hu?! I miss her!)

Bottom line, Nellie is still a G, Steve Kerr is just a mooch that is TO THIS DAY still benefiting from being on a team with Michael Jordan, and we're gonna finish this offseason with Curry, a backup PG and Amar'e while only giving up Andris.  I'd give that offseason an A grade.

PEACE OUT SUNS!

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What happened to the Suns?
Nothing, they're going to continue to be a contender
46 votes
They're definitely going in a terrible direction
138 votes
Nellie's got 'em by the b$%#*, the END is NEAR!
123 votes

307 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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I’m not sure that makes him any less likely to be traded

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

pheonix WANT him to sign

because then his value will increase for trades

by tafkasam on Jul 1, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It’ll go from “We won’t even talk unless he’s willing to sign an extension” to “OK, now we can talk”. It will give Phoenix more leverage in that they don’t have to make a decision by Feb and they can hold onto him if they want.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 1, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

good news, bad news

Amare extension = transparent financial assessment of proposed deal

Phx now has a very interested Houston in play, we have competition – and they have a large expiring to deal

by hardcore on Jun 30, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Enough with the bad news, we got one less team to worry about, be happy!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyYZUhSeRYc

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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be happy with or without stoudemire

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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

on another note...

any news on whether or not were shopping maggette or not?? or are they flat out no takers?

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 30, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Speak of the devil..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4298222

The dude just had surgery on his wrist and can’t play for 3 weeks. Well timed perhaps???

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by AR4 on Jun 30, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have not even heard if he is on the market

But him for AK 47 has always been in the back of Nelson’s ad Sloan’s minds

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Sloan has been thinking about that….but I kinda doubt it.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would love a Maggs AK-47 swap

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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I would love a Maggs AK-47 swap

  Kirilenko has become pretty crappy over the last couple of years while Magette has been a freethrow machine, I don’t see that trade being to our advantage? Magette is the only guy we have with that particular skill so why give him up? I think we should milk him for all it’s worth as long as the refs are co-operative.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

AK 47 also leads the league in playing like a sissy. Just say NO to Kirilenko.

by Missing Barry on Jun 30, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

And yet he makes the Jazz a much better team every time his sissiness prances onto the floor.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 30, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Warriors fans...

…need to realize that even though it was cool that Baron dunked on him, he still happened to beat us senseless at every turn and the Jazz won the series. Kirilenko has proven himself to be an extraordinary defender, and extremely versatile. He addresses a number of our most glaring weaknesses while not commanding a high volume of shots. Sign me up.

by Zack Vank on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

he still happened to beat us senseless at every turn and the Jazz won the series

 The jazz didn’t win the series we gave it to them with missed freethrows and bonehead game management.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 1, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kirilenko has become pretty crappy over the last couple of years

evidence? the stats sure don’t support that. I never thought that watching a Utah game last year either….a bad fit in Utah with Boozer and Milsap maybe, but not “crappy”

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

"crappy" ?

   Hi Sammy, Maybe I should have said highly mundane? I guess he’s better than a few players so yeah not crappy. At one time he seemed to be a star but didn’t live up to the hype. Maybe Boom reached down his throat and pulled out his nuts during that dunk?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, how exactly would that work?

AK’s been much better these past two seasons than he was in the We Believe (regular) season. By plus-minus & Roland rating, he was the best player on the Jazz last season, by a pretty wide margin.

If anything, he’s been re-masculated since his team — due in large part to his excellent play — kicked our asses in the 06/07 playoffs.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 30, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

How good do you think this team would be?

1 – Curry, Ellis, Law
2 – Ellis, Morrow, Dahntay Jones
3 – Jackson, Azebuike, AK 47
4 – Randolph , Balkman, Davidson
5 – Biedrins, Turiaf

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know that we should trade for Kirilenko AND Balkman, and I think it will take a lot more than just Maggette to land AK47 (both financially and to convince the Jazz)

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well Claxton could be some relief on there cap.

And Maggette is what they need, a scoring wing player who can make his own shot.

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

so that would be....

a maggette for AK47 trade straight up and a bwright belinelli trade for dahntay jones and balkman???

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 30, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

not exactly

Maggette and Claxton for AK 47, Jones is a free agent so we sign him, then a Wright for Balkman switch to get more “beef”.

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the maggette and claxton trade for AK 47( even though it is just flat out weird that the greatest dubs dunk in history was on him) his contract is shorter and he adds more to our team. I’m not sure if balkman adds that much beef he is listed at 6"8 208 bwright is 6"10 210… a lil more beef but not much. Dahntay jones I like him because he adds defense and athleticism but I don’t see where the PT is so it would be kinda pointless?? as far as beef… why aren’t we talking about Oakland native LEON POWE???? beef hustle and toughness I love him any words?

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 30, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would love that

But he would not see the floor enough with AK and Azebuike both playing the four sometimes. And Jones and Morrow could split time because neither one needs alot of playing time to contribute. Jones to come in to give us some defensive relief and Morrow to give us a shooting boost

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

and balkman would just kinda be a scrub then?? haha. I guess Jones could also play some 3.

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 30, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know our backcourt has some defensive issues looking at next season but when you look at the age of these guys they are all so young, morrow was a rookie, I think Monta just needs more attitude defensively cause he has the quickness to be a good defender, and we don’t know what to expect from curry but not much at first. The reason why most young players struggle is because of defense and all of these guys will improve their defense as time goes on. So dahntay Jones will help us but at what price? and for how long?

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 30, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Jones will command a big deal

I would say two or three years and anywhere from 5.5 million to 10 million. Sounds reasonable for a great defender

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joke right?

maybe 3 million for jones an i’m never reading your post again. Garabage both you and Jones.

by Balance on Jun 30, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ideally...

…Don Nelson wouldn’t play the 6’5 Azubuike at the 4 if he had Kirilenko, who basically does everything PFs should better than Azu. But, hey, I wish I could be more sure.

by Zack Vank on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I think 44 wins would be enough for a playoff spot

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds reasonable, but we still will have to wait for free agency to play out.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 30, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say closer to 48

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t count the Rockets out just yet. They’ve played pretty well even without Yao and McGrady over the last couple years, Morey is doing a very nice job with them and now he’s got McGrady’s expiring contract to work with….. the Lakers, Denver, San Antonio, Portland and Utah should all be playoff shoe-ins with good health. New Orleans and the Mavericks both look better than us on paper right now which leaves one spot for us, PHX, an Sac team that should be improved, an OKC team that could break out soon, and a Clippers squad hoping to get healthier and better season out of their vets. The playoff picture is still pretty unclear.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see the Kings or Clippers in the discussion this year.

Maybe next year, and if the Thunder can get a good starting center they would give us a run for our money. I think the West could look like this:

1. L.A.
2. San Antonio
3. Denver
4.Portland
5.Utah
6.Dallas
7.New Orleans
8.Golden State
I think the Thunder don’t have enough inside scoring.There just is not a very good market this year for that type of player.

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

and it goes a little somethin like this...

1.L.A(BEAT L.A)
2.Denver(Chauncey Billups)
3.Portland(bad boy on the rise)
4.New Orleans(yes CP3 had what it takes)
5.San Antonio(they have a 1 or 2 years left)
6.Utah(6 or higher)
7.Dallas(If Kidd leaves,I don’t even think they’re gonna be in the playoff race)
8.yours truly.(I BELIEVE we have what it takes.

Its time for a change...

by RunNdGun on Jun 30, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

8th spot?

That gets us 4 game with LA. Congrats we get sweep and just miss the draft. F-dat. We got to make some trades. More to follow about amare below.

by Balance on Jun 30, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno about Denver...

…Chauncey Billups is getting up there, and for as good as he was last season in Denver, it wasn’t as if the Pistons were completely mad to trade him. Not for AI, obviously, but Billups had come up pretty short in the playoffs with Detroit following their Larry Brown years, if my memory is serving me. JR Smith and Nene are also extremely mercurial figures, and I find them thoroughly unreliable.

by Zack Vank on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could finish as high as 5th

If monta returns to being the old monta, randolph continues to grow and if we add Amare and find a decent backup big. Without amare we’re more likely fighting for 7 or 8 but its not undoable.

Lakers, Denver, San Antonio, Portland are all going to be ahead of us barring major injuries…

so after that:

-New Orleans if they don’t reorganize a bit is also…. They made an awful draft selection (u have the best pg and literally nothing other than a center who is an ok rebounder and defender and a good pf, so obviously drafting a BACKUP pg made most sense). Rasual butler is worse than all our SGs and swings, peja is basically done. Posey is good off bench but really they need wing help.

-Dallas is 1 year older, dirk is still dirk, howard and terry can play. Kidd may not stay, the rest of the cast is very average to below average.

-Utah didnt end very well, will probably lose millsap since boozer didnt opt out. Given boozer’s propensity for injuries its no Garentee he’ll play 82 games. Brewer and Miles havent improved way they should.

-houston without Yao and Tmac (till jan) are probably finished barring a huge trade.

-pheonix: Trading Amare would admit a rebuild.

On the rise:
-Clippers have playoff talent. Poor coaching. If dunleavey wont run with baron, gordon, thorton and griffin he deserves to be fired.

-Memphis are probably a year away but mayo is a rising star, gay and gasol are nice too

-OKC durant is a star, westbrook, green, harden are all very good too. Probably year away though

Leaving us GSDubs to fight it out. If all goes well we could easily be a 5 seed, but more realistically 7. Point is I expect a big divide between top 4 and rest

by tafkasam on Jul 1, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Clipps are going to do well

Baron/Gordon/Thorton/Randolph/Camby/Kaman/Griffin…. All they need is a backup guard that can score and they can be dangerous…. And if they trade one of those bigmen for the somebody halfway decent they’ll be better than most expect

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by The Dedication on Jun 30, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

it matters

what happens with jason kidd in Dallas, some other things are tyson chandler maybe leaving new orleans? New orleans didn’t finish the season strong at all and got housed in the playoffs so there a question mark into next season, YAO BEING OUT FOR THE WHOLE SEASON, I’m kinda pissed both Boozer and Okur are gonna be back I was hoping they would both leave but maybe they wont be able to sign Millsap now… we all know what he does to the dubs.

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 30, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

If we make the playoffs this year i think we have a shot at beatin the fakers

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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

All the talk

about Amare staying in Pheonix is to make teams want him more. He might resign, but they need more players around Nash and J-Rich.

PG: Nash is the aging pg. They need someone besides Dragic, (Beli or A.C.) AC would mean waiting until August for Amare.
SG: JRich is good, not great and they need someone besides Barbosa and the diabetic Morrison
SF: Barnes is gone…resigned or free agent? Grant HIll…isn’t he 40?
PF: Amare @ pf? I don’t know. Amundson? Really?
C: Shaq is gone…Robin Lopez and Ben Wallace?

Point being they need players. They can get a few as Free Agents, but Amare is their only trading piece and we are loaded with talent to spare which makes us perfect partners even while we’re in the same division. I’m not saying I want Amare but if they do trade, MAKE THEM SWEAT!!!! Keep the team solid by the way.

Wonder what Option Zero's new screen name is....

by danielholl on Jun 30, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions  

i dunno...

If they keep Amare and make the Ben Wallace for Chandler deal they have a pretty decent team on paper. Pavlovic’s expiring contract could have some trade value too,

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Less is more

If i’m Steve Kerr. I’ll try to trade Amare and take back some Cap. For instance if he could trade Amare for Beidrins straight up he should. Or biedrins with Claxtons contract that insurance picks up. And then make a strong push to Grab Millsap from Utah. That would give them a pretty decent team. Nash, Rich, Hill, Millsap, Goose.

by Balance on Jun 30, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

idk if anyone saw it but on fsn bay area, the show SportsNet Central it was sayin that amare doesn’t want to play for the warriors. Now im depressed =(

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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Who cares

We don’t need Amare. We got Randolph!!

It is the shoes!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea im startin to get over it

I still think Wright can be a good player. Maybe in the future the lineup is this

pg Monta or curry
sg Monta or curry
sf Anthony randolph
pf b wright
c beans (which nickname is better beans or goose???)

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by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

both nicknames are lame

and so is “maggs” for maggette or this “masala” that someone is trying to push on this site….just spell out the name

by rtgunn on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

maggs, cool, goose and beans, cool, but masala? that was real bad hahaha

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by AR4 on Jul 1, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

maggs

is just faster to type out than maggette.

Azubuike? More like Azucutie!

by goldenstatelove on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont mind maggs

But I hope the nickname “masala” dies a quick, quiet death.

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by drizztismoneybaby on Jul 1, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who came up with Masala??? thats terrible!!!

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by i love sports101 on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I call him Machete when he plays good, and Spaghetti when he plays bad. And Masala is terrible, people arre trying to force a nickname on him. He’ll come into one eventually, give him time.

by belilaugh on Jul 1, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I GOT IT!

SCURRY! SCURRY!! Spread it!

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by AR4 on Jul 1, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

S-Curr, jae’s favorite nickname type.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is our year to shine

With so many western teams falling off this year we can rise this year. Amare for Marco , Beans, Wright, Law/Claxton/Watson and a cash compensation. This may be our only year to really be a serious contender because next year the Suns of the world and the Hornets of the world are going to go after the star players next year which will mean we could drop off again. If Amare does not go here Curry, Ellis, and Randolph need to be the next big three and live up to there potential for us to get in the playoffs.

by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Suns are done, and so is Amare

Amare may get us into the playoffs but he won’t make us a championship contender. His health and his attitude are questionable at best. I’d rather wait it out with Monta, Randolph, and Beidrins for the nexy 5 years and see what we get.

by leftcoast_resident on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions  

I appreciate the optism but how are we any bettter than the suns???

Yeah sure they traded shaq and it seems they are rebuilding but they still have 2 players that anyone in their right mind would want starting on our team and possibly 3 (Jrich).

Our year to shine?? lol really ?? lol This team won 29 games. So this year were going to have a 20 game improvement and make the post season?? not so likely.

Lets review the locks for the playoffs (without major injury to star players)

LA
San Antonio
Denver
Portland
Utah
New Orleans

Thats 6 already. Dallas if they sign Kidd is better than us. Even if Rockets are without Yao and Tracy (and assuming they resign Artest) they always seem to play well. They play solid D and because of that I’d put them ahead of us too.

So if that 8 is not enough to convince you the Thunder, who are reportedly one of the two teams to get David Lee, might just make a huge step forward. Westbrook is solid, so is green, Lee is a double double machine and if he isnt already Durant is a superstar. Dude is a beast and they might even give us a run for our money.

I kind of chuckle when I say this but even the clips on paper have more talent and if they werent the clippers they could have a better season. Gordon can score, thornton is solid, all 4 of their bigs can put up numbers on any givin night (randolph, kaman, griffin, camby and we all know how baron can be if he is healthy.

The only way this current team makes a huge jump is if Monta turns out to be the player we all hope he can be and if Randolph beasts it up as we all hope too.

by CSalMJS on Jul 1, 2009 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Not trying to start a WAR..but

Some of you have have to be delusional.. You get an unproven rookie in Curry and add one year Anthony Randolph, and all of a sudden its playoffs and taking down the Lakers in the first round. Now truth be told I’m all about having hope and “believing” the phrase you have so eloquently coined from the playoffs in 2006-07. But how can you try and bash the Suns?

No day but today

by RyanMarcus on Jul 1, 2009 2:53 AM PDT reply actions  

exactly

we dont know anything about curry yet. not every great college player has made an impact in the nba. and im all for AR beastin it up but how much can we expect him to improve. i too hear “oh lets just keep our team” blah blah cmon now

by CSalMJS on Jul 1, 2009 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

In all fairness

Only one person said we’d take down the Lakers in the first round. But I’m sure every one of us would blow our load if we did. I do believe with what we have we can at least be 8th seed material.

by GoldenStateGuerrero on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

meh

you can’t really fault us for one guy talking about taking out the Lakers, and we also get the guy who is probably our best player back this year after he was out or playing injured for the majority of last season and all our young guys get one year older and hopefully better. 7th or 8th seed doesn’t seem like a totally unreasonable goal…a bit optimistic maybe, but not unreasonable.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 1, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can the Dubs really get to the next level with Nellie ball?

Just curious. Nellie’s a genius, but it’s like guerilla warfare. It works when you’re the underdog. But if Curry and Randolph are as good as some people think, you guys should be playing Nellie ball.

With the new Gm and new approach, aren’t Nellie’s days are numbered?

Thanks for your continuing concern about the plight of the Suns. We’re flattered. =D

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by ZonaFlash on Jul 1, 2009 3:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I happen...

…to be very sympathetic to the Suns, mainly because of the wretched ways they lost to the Spurs over the years, no worse than the Amare suspension. It’s very convenient that when a couple Suns players stand up off the bench, come about a third of the way, then think better of it, the rule of law must be upheld. Of course, that same rule of law doesn’t matter for s—- when the Lakers commit obvious, by the book basket interference in the final play of a championship game.

Just say no to trading Biedrins and change for Amare. But just say yes to appreciating the beautiful basketball Phoenix has given us over these past several years.

by Zack Vank on Jul 1, 2009 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Suns mgmt is pretty conflicted these days, obviously

I think we’re all open for either the tear-down to the foundations and rebuild, or re-rolling Nash / Amare / Hill / JRich / Chandler if possible. There is a ton of posturing going on between mgmt and Amare, and then dealing with Hill and Nash.

We only hope that if its going to be a full gentleman’s club strip down to the bare baby skin that we get some talent rather than just cap space. Cap space don’t win no chips.

The 1 Dallas vs 8 Dubs playoff series was one of the greatest series in the modern era. But what makes them so special is what makes the rest of it so painful – these miracles are too few and far in between.

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jul 1, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually...

…got to be there in Oakland for that Mavs series, and it was honestly one of the most exhilarating experiences of my life. I had always assumed that the arena would be intense if we finally made the playoffs, but in person, it was otherworldly.

In truth, there’s a lot of dispute over here about Amare, but I think if he got traded to the Warriors you guys wouldn’t be disappointed in Biedrins. Alongside a pure passer like Nash, he’d likely get even more easy looks than he’s had here, and I really must emphasize that he is an elite rebounder. His hands are soft and deft, and he’s very active on putbacks and inside scoring.

Whether he’s a better defender than Amare is debatable, and although I admit I tend to rate him a little better on D than most, you can never fault AB’s effort. He’s a player that could be very valuable at good money for a long time if you guys got him off us. And, with all do respect, I hope that doesn’t happen.

by Zack Vank on Jul 1, 2009 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nelson's days are only numbered by age

Him and Riley go hand and hand with each other

by dubzfan on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes

Quality Nellie ball can win a championship, but what team has Nellie ever had that had championship talent? An ideal Nellie ball team would play aggressive defense getting into passing lanes and run. They’d move ball well and have 4 shooters on floor at a time. II think i could makea championship Nellieball team with only 1 all-star player……. Kirk Hinrich , Ben Gordon, Lebron, Lamar Odom, Tyson Chandler

by tafkasam on Jul 1, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

II think i could makea championship Nellieball team with only 1 all-star player……. Kirk Hinrich , Ben Gordon, Lebron, Lamar Odom, Tyson Chandler

Ummm… if you’re “one all star player” is LeBron, I could coach that team and they’d win a championship.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 1, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

its pretty tough to put a group of legitimate NBA starters around LeBron and not have a championship contender regardless of who the coach is

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 1, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey you need a star to win a championship

only detroit has won without one. But look back at every other year most teams have had 2 stars. My point is, nellie has never had top teir talent. You could win with nellie ball if you can right top teir talent

by tafkasam on Jul 1, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dirk Nowitzki

is a star and Mike Finley and Steve Nash were great sidekicks. They even had Atawn Jamison as the 6th man of the year and other talent. He had his chances in Dallas. Also what about that failure in New York. Yeah he had some talent on that team too.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 1, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

he got cut very fast at NYK from what I remember. His Dallas teams were not THAT talented. You’re naming names… at that time Finley was probably there best player. Dirk was not at level he is today. Nash, IMO Nelson deserves most of credit for Nash cause he was just a backup before nelson made him a starter… but still in those Dallas days he wasn’t “Steve Nash”

Those teams where in NO way up to the level or the Lakers with Shaq in his prime, a star kobe, horry, fisher in prime

by tafkasam on Jul 1, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

a group of legitimate NBA starters around LeBron

For some reason, Cleveland seems to have trouble even accomplishing this…

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 2, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

GSW?Suns

The truth is guys it’s not us making the decisions, its management on both sides.

I can assure you that these guys aren’t checking the forums to see if there making the right moves:

We can joke around and vent our frustrations but in the end it doesn’t amount to much.

The real question here is who started the run and gun first PX or GS? The answer is the GSW, =) we had run TMC and the year we drafted CWebb we had the best fast vreak since Magic and the Lakers, so the GSW are the real run and gun team =)

MDanT used to call Don late at night when Don was smashed on his scotch and ask him how he did it, and Don drunk as a skunk would let him in on all the secrets =) Now that’s the truth, but Don won’t admit it because he don’t want people to know he drinks and talks, and Mike D won’t admit it because he don’t want anyone to know he stole that style from Don =) oh well such is life in the NBA =)

by ForestGrump on Jul 1, 2009 6:30 AM PDT reply actions  

So what happens...

when we don’t pull the trade for Amar’e simply because we refused to give up an athletically average version of Monta with a 3 point shot?

It’s KG part 2 yet again.

At least if he sticks around in Phoenix, he has Nash for at least another year. Amare sticking around in Phoenix ensures that they win more games than us. Dealing Ben Wallace for Tyson Chandler again ensures they win more games than us.

Who are we kidding? Why should Amare come here? The weather? The fans?

It definitely isn’t our pathetic FO who has to overpay for free agents to come here. If the reports are true that Amare doesn’t feel like he has anything left to play with here after the trade, I wonder if that’s really it.

Maybe it’s because Don Nelson publicly told Crawford to get out or be traded? Maybe it’s because Al Harrington was given the cold shoulder? Maybe it’s because Baron opted out last minute because of a veto of an extension? Maybe because he agrees with the wide-league sentiment that Corey is just a a selfish basketball player only out to get his? Maybe it’s because we have no point guards?

Our front office knows how to dish money out, I’ll give them that…albeit to the wrong players. You just have to wonder…the agents and the players all talk.

Why would he come to the 20th ranked FA destination if he wants to be part of a championship contender? 1 playoff appearance in 15 seasons hardly rings that bell. Celebrating the end of the Suns seems like a premature fist-pump only resulting in the …Damn…We Should’ve…We Could’ve… regret that ends with all of us hating our front office that much more.

by phiLthyphiL on Jul 1, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions  

The other side of the coin:

So what if Curry becomes DRose, he has all the same make up, plus he’s a better shooter than Rose, and if all the reports are true he will end up being 6’5 about 200 pounds or so with amazing passing skills and a legitimate NAB three point shooter as well as a fabulous mid range shot:

I think Don actually believes this kid will be the next Nash, so what if we take Amare at the sacrifice of one of the next great PG in the league? And Amare gets hurt again? Because we know the man is injury prone:

What are we left with? Let me spell it out, no point guard, and no center, not to speak of BW and Marco:

I think Curry wins rookie of the year and is perceived as one of the future greats, his numbers will be
22.5 points:
4.5 RPG
7.4 APG
2.4 SPG

And those numbers will increase each year for the next six or seven seasons:

This will be unless we get a vet PG like Kidd, which would mean less playing time for Curry.

So are you willing to give away what could be the whole future of the team and start all over for one move?

by ForestGrump on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Curry wins rookie of the year and is perceived as one of the future greats, his numbers will be
22.5 points:
4.5 RPG
7.4 APG
2.4 SPG

That’s bold. I’d be happy if he can put up half those numbers.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Jul 1, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

r=]\

amare for maggs n bellinelli n wright

by thekiddisfresh on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Common guys, I’m trying to get the Suns to salivate, They might throw in Nash ;) if we offer Curry: eheheh =)

J/K

by ForestGrump on Jul 1, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

y dont we trade ellis for jrich... n kirelinko for maggs.. we b a good defensive team

Pg curry/claxton/law
Sg Jrich/buike
Sf Stephen jax/ak47
pf AR4/wright
C beans/turiaf

by thekiddisfresh on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

We'd be a better...

…defensive team, although the system is such that I think we’ll always be below average. Kirilenko, certainly, is a big time plus defender. Jason Richardson, though, plays neither good defense nor spaces himself intelligently. Granted, neither does Ellis, but Ellis’ other strengths make him the superior player.

by Zack Vank on Jul 1, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

loven those warriors!

i dont think the warriors are going to make the playoffs this year…i highly doubt it, with the clippers now on the rise i think that they willl steal the 8th spot and i thnk the thunder may even take the 8th spot above us. Right now all the good teams are making the right moves to make their teams better, the spurs may get sheed, mavs are keeping kidd, blazers may get glu! so i really dont see the warriors going anywhere with the west getting even stronger than it was last year. I really dont see curry scoring 22pts and being the rookie of the year did you forget blake griffin was drafted this year!? who is going to be a better, smarter and more athletic version of amare! wow what planet are you from!? the only teams that may fall out of the playoff pic this year is NO who played terrible in the playoffs and the rockets who were playing with their lives on the line. the warriors are no where near being good enough YET! to even smelling the playoffs ill put all the money i have on that…also no way would i start captin jack over ak47 if we were to ever get him…ak47 may not be a better scorer than jack but jack is way over rated, hella slow and shoots way to much, which is also why curry will not have 22 points per game id be surprised to see if he scores that many points in 3-4 games this season..no way is monta, jack and maggs gunna let him have that many opportunities to score the ball a rookie!!

k im done burning the warriors…=] still love em tho! give em 2 years

by blacksamurai33 on Jul 1, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Where's your Faith?

We’re not just looking at Rookie of the year were talking the NBA finals this year, we may win it all:

by ForestGrump on Jul 1, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

faithful you are my friend..

i would love that to happen!! but im just trying to be realistic..the warriors cant beat any of the top 8 teams in the playoffs especially best out of 7…also i think the one thing the warriors need is a strong leader which they do not have…monta is to quiet half the team doesn’t speak english jackson is washed up and nellie scares the sh*t out of everyone if they talk back he wont play them..what type of team is that…if you look at all the successful teams they all have a strong leader..kobe for the lakers, lebron for the cavs, van gundy (say what you want he prepares that team well) for the magic, billups for the nuggets, kg/allen/pierce for the celtics, sloan fot the jazz and, pop for the spurs…thats what make successful teams…you dont need the most talent just great leadership. tell me, where is that for the warriors?

by blacksamurai33 on Jul 1, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good Point:

Maybe they should of thought about before Baron got away:

I see Don bringing Curry in right away, I seen him do it with Tim H and Mitch R, if he is consistent and has has the ball handling skill they say he has then he will get a lot of playing time:

Your right we don;t have a real leader, RT leads by example, Jack is not the leader, Monta is a quite man

Maybe AR will eventually emerge, but we don;t have that guy yet, they say Amare is not that guy either, so you have a valid point:

BTW, I was just pulling your chain, we need one more year of these guys playing together to go anywhere, and then add a piece here and there without scraping and starting all over again which is what we have done in the past.

by ForestGrump on Jul 1, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions  

haha yea your right...

im excited to see how this season turns out and hopefully in the next few weeks we will make some SMART moves..haha

by blacksamurai33 on Jul 1, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

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