It just feels like something big is gonna go down....doesn't it?
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 10:09 AM PDT
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With all the rumors swirling from Baron being offered up to us constantly, and the fact that the Warriors are taking some hard looks at swing players, even though we've been stacked at that position for quite a while, do any of you GSoMer's get the feeling that we gonna be picking in the mid-late first round instead?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/05/SPTK181547.DTL
In this recent article from the examiner it's discussed how Baron keeps getting offered up by the Clips, and the fact that the Warriors have and are continuing to pursue Bosh, heavily. And now the Dallas Morning News is saying that the Warriors may trade Stephen Jackson?
The fact that the pics we are bringing into camp,except for Jordan Hill, have been projected to go much lower than 7th overall, makes me think that we are really looking to trading the 7th and probably some players to a team picking behind us. Which would hopefully mean getting a good quality starter back in return.
What do you guys think of the possible trade of Jax?
Also, Today's ESPN Insider has Bosh stating that he wants a max contract, when asked if he would give Toronto a home town discount to surround him w/ a better squad, he basically said NO, but as he put it, "in a nice way". Not sure if the Warriors could swing the trade, then offer the Max and still have Bosh willing to re-up. Seems like we may have to fish elsewhere, which bring me to this question...
Last year during the trade season, Tim Kawakami wrote an article (which I'm trying to find) on how well Zach Randolph would fit w/ the Warriors, despite his conditioning. A big body in the paint who can flat out score and give you 20-10 a night, with little D to boot, so'd he'd fit right in. Would you guys be opposed to trading for Zach Randolph? Maybe some blockbuster combination that would bring Baron and Randolph? I'm sure this would include something like Mags, Jamal, and Ronny or BW plus an extra Mil or 2.
What are your guy's thoughts?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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…but aren’t “max” deals irrelevant to Bosh, since he’ll be an unrestricted FA? I was under the impression he can sign for any amount of money a team offers, and max deals apply to contract extensions (most specifically, rookie contract extensions).
by Missing Barry on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can only offer a player a certain percentage of the salary cap
And/or a certain percentage raise… Somebody else will chime in, but there’s a limit to what you can offer a player.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about that ....
But that what ESPN insider was stating this morning on the questions asked towards Bosh.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max contracts apply to everyone except those players grandfathered in because they had contracts in excess of the max at the time of the CBA instituting a max. Garnett and Shaq are, I believe, the only two. Everyone else is bound to a formula max based on the cap which is based on revenue for the league, though if the cap goes down such that “max” somehow is lower than what a player is making, he can sign for what he makes rather than the lower amount. Bosh cannot sign for any amount. The most he can sign for is this max amount.
The actual max amount is different for different time in the league. The issue with Bosh and an extension likely has to do with this. After 7 years in the NBA, a player can be paid 30% of the cap (actual cap, not what the team is paying all players), while prior, he’s limited to 25%. That’s substantial, and more substantial when the raises are factored in since they’re a percentage of the first year. This was why he and Lebron and Wade and company signed the extensions they did to be FA’s in a year rather than longer term deals. It was a bet that they’d get the bigger version of a max salary.
I am not sure how this relates to extensions exactly and if ‘after 7 years’ means after next season ends or if it can happen sometime during next season or if it can be an agreement in principle ahead of that, but it puts a wrinkle on things. I suspect that any team trading for him over the offseason would have to do so blind to the reality of re-signing him and would have to do it without an extension in place. Bosh is not worth the 30% max. He is a very good player, but that’s what you pay a player who brings you a realistic title shot. If you pay Bosh that much, you might be a good team, but you will never be a great team and his salary will be one reason why.
by jae on Jun 5, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA CBA has to be one of the most unnecessarily complicated things that exists in the world today…
by Missing Barry on Jun 5, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not really that bad, I understand almost all of it (excepting some of the random percentages, which I think are kind of unnecessary to look up when you can just refer to them as necessary). Larry Coon’s FAQ does a very good job of explaining everything.
Plus I think it does a really, really good job of keeping salaries in order. Easily better than the NFL and MLB, IMO.
by markdash on Jun 5, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, suppressing salaries so the owners can make more money is always a desirable outcome.
But seriously, as long as GM’s properly evaluate what a guy is worth to their team, the players will get paid what they’re worth. All the rules and cap ideas and such just go to shrink the pool of money available to the players.
by Missing Barry on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see you have taken a rather free-market view of things.
How about this: The CBA guarantees the percentage of overall league revenue that goes to the players. The CBA starts from that agreement and goes forward. Most leagues do this, to my knowledge. The only difference in the NBA is that the individual player salaries are themselves capped, but overall the entire players’ union is reaping the same percentage. AFAIK, they are free to do what they want with any “extra” income above and beyond player salaries.
In your world, you would have some guys making $20-30m, a completely free market for bidding so teams would have little or no continuity, and a vast underclass of players whose salaries would be lower (assuming a lower or no minimum salary).
by markdash on Jun 6, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention what a massive gap in team salaries there would be. the most profitable franchises would spend more, win more, and make more, giving us baseball’s gap between the haves and the have nots. that gap between how much teams spend (and how good/bad the teams become as a result of that) in baseball is one of the main reasons that i’ve lost a lot of interest in baseball.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
is the only real problem with a completely free market. Really no argument against it. Some teams (Lakers, Knicks) would have such an advantage it’d be ridiculous. However, “In your world, you would have some guys making $20-30m” things like this, well yeah, if they were worth $20-30m, sure. If getting that true superstar on the market for that price will make you a winning team, than obviously they’re worth the money you’re paying them. If spending $10m per year on 3 different good players will make you a better team, though, teams will do that and the superstar $30m salary will go down. Basically, if all teams valued players correctly this problem would only emerge if there were actually players worth that much money. And in that case, it wouldn’t be a problem because those players would be worth the money…
Again, a couple teams with way more money than everyone else skew this, so there is some need for regulation…
by Missing Barry on Jun 6, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, this is just what sports writers do in the offseason
Right now, unless they want to write about the two teams in the finals, they’ve got to write about the two teams in the hockey finals, the few players in the french open finals, early season baseball, or who’s going to the voluntary NFL activities.
There’s not really that much going on, and they’ve got to justify their jobs. Plus, people talk about trades all the time anyways. “99% of trades never happen, but 100% of them are fun to talk about.”
Something might happen, but it’s doubtful and no amount of media coverage of how Dallas wants Stephen Jackson and how the Clippers want to send us Zach Randolph will change that.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally like Jackson’s attitude. I would love to kick it with him and go to a club!
by insanenthemembrane on Jun 5, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, and no thank you on Z-Bo and B-Diddy. All Randolph needs to do is gain 180lbs and you got your Z-Bo right there. Done. Finished. Solved. Yarra. And don’t get me started on Jenny Craig Davis. Ya Digg!!
by insanenthemembrane on Jun 5, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't kicked it with him, but my friends have a couple times..
And they say he’s a pretty cool dude.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
zach randolph
is a bad example for our youngsters.. lazy and a alchoholic.
by saintdee on Jun 5, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
zach randolphDon Nelson is a bad example for our youngsters.. lazy and a alchoholic.
Sorry I couldn’t resist, and I actually like Nelson.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 5, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i enjoyed it, and i love nellie.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 5, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
he’s working hard while he’s smoking and drinking with willie nelson
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jun 5, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don nelson is like a tall tale or something. he’s got more than his fair share of ridiculous/awesome stories that may or may not be true. i hope they’re all true.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 5, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelly’s a bit too pop for my taste. Sure, some of his songs are catchy, but there’s so much stuff that’s so much better.
by jae on Jun 5, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
zach randolph
with a little D to boot? really? you may be the first person to ever put zach randolph and D in the same sentence.
by gogoldenbears on Jun 5, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By "D"
I mean that he can sit his big ass in the lane and at least not get pushed around. But your right, that’s a stretch.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha ok fair enough
like what the chair did against yi in that workout
by gogoldenbears on Jun 5, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said "with little D"
not “with a little D”, which means something entirely different.
I’m going to ignore his reply above, because clearly nobody would think of Randolph as having any defensive skill whatsoever.
by markdash on Jun 5, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do think that something will go down
but i dont think that any deal for boom dizzle to the warriors will happen. i dont think that rowell would sign off on it.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Jun 5, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you...
I don’t see it happening because it would mean Rowell taking bakc his previous decision, and that wouldn’t look good for the organization, not that they look great as of right now anyway.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors interested in DeRozen, Raptors in Hill?
Can make a trade more plausible especially if Hill is there at 7, Raptors and Warriors pull a blockbuster and swap picks?
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 5, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting the FanPost.
And now the Dallas Morning News is saying that the Warriors may trade Stephen Jackson?
Do you have a link to that by any chance? I couldn’t find it. I’ll try to write something about it.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dallas has wanted jack for a while
but what do we want from dallas aside from dirk? he’s better than josh howard, though possibly not as consistent… terry? pass
by tafkasam on Jun 6, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Josh Howard for Jax in a second. I don’t really know if Jax is better. He might be, he might not, but Howard is younger and has a shorter contract. The odds of Howard’s game falling apart due to age before his contract is out is much, much lower than the odds that the same will happen to Jax.
by jae on Jun 6, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Call me a homer
but what jack did this year really impressed me considering maggette missed 41 games, monta missed most of season and other sporadic injuries, no pg, no hope, he really took team on his back and did his best and showed lots of heart….We all now jack is not a #1 option, probably not a #2 on a real playoff team either… but neither is howard. Howard is only 2 years younger… Yeah i’d take him over maggette, crawford and many others but not jack. I’m not saying I wouldnt trade jack, but Howard is at best a lateral move… I’d rather if we did move him, get some quality young talent or atleast peices we lack (viable PF or PG)
by tafkasam on Jun 7, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lateral move with a shorter contract. Howard may only be two years younger, but NBA years after age 30 are not the same as years before. Declines seem to happen fast when they do. I would rather have a 30 y/old Howard in his last year of his contract in two years than a 34 year old Jax in the last year of his in 4.
No one is going to give us quality young talent for Jax, not with 4 years of burn on his contract.
by jae on Jun 7, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only would I gladly trade Jackson for Howard
I would be perfectly fine with the Warriors chipping in Belinelli or maybe even Wright. Jackson’s contract is that bad.
by markdash on Jun 7, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
marco? definitely. i’d be less excited about dealing wright in that package, but wouldn’t be totally opposed either.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 7, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, after I posted that I wondered if giving up Brandan would be too much. The W’s could reasonably expect to get something of value in return, like a 2nd rounder or something.
by markdash on Jun 7, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad it probably wont happen
if management loves jax so much that they just signed him to that ridiculous contract, theres no way they’re gonna give him up now for josh howard—especially since he signed it less than 6 months ago
by gogoldenbears on Jun 8, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atma
I was going by what was said on the SF Gate article I linked…but I dug a little…heres another that says that Jackson could be acquired from us for Howard. But he doesn’t say much to really back it up.. I’m keep looking.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/051509dnsposherrington.3a9e3fe.html
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Dallas wants to trade us Josh Howard (who’s a younger, cheaper, better version of Stephen Jackson) FOR Stephen Jackson, they can go right ahead and do so.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Jun 5, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better version on SJAX?
Lets see. Howard, is a lazy malcontent, who has problems with our national Anthem, Smokes pot, and does not play well with others. And you call this a good deal for us? Ok, pass the bong!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 5, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also 2 years younger, and has what amounts to an expiring contract (there’s a team option for 2010-11).
It’s a no brainer for the Warriors. If they’re going to extricate from their absurd cap situation, it’s the only choice.
by markdash on Jun 5, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, you wouldn’t trade Jackson for Josh Howard? Straight up that wouldn’t be a bad deal (as people have pointed out his is younger and better than Jackson). Throw in the fact that he has a much shorter contract and that is just nuts not to make that trade if it was offered.
by randolphforpresident on Jun 7, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man. I caught that piece, but I can’t fully tell if it’s just speculation vs something based on an actual credible source.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree
Just citing the article, but I agree, not really enough evidence to support the claim. It’s funny how the SF gate turned into, " the warriors may trade him" and kinda twist what was said.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Terrence Williams part was twisted by the writer as well. the media brought up the rumors of the W’s interest in him & TWill said something to the effect of ’he’d believe it when the W’s drafted him.’
this Rusty Simmons guy gets sketchier & sketchier with every article he writes.
by the evil monkey on Jun 5, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something Big Eh?
It just feels like something big is gonna go down….doesn’t it?
I’ve been thinking that since, oh, 1995. Not holding my breath bradah…
by gabezgsw on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
feels like something big is gonna go down
I have had this feeling as long as I have been a Warrior fan
by ARandolph on Jun 5, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When I say Big...
I don’t necessarily mean “Good” big, we’ve mad plenty of “bad” big deals too, and i just feel with that with what Cohen and Rowell are dealing with currently is a franchise which is once again in a downward spiral, and the fans, who after being on such a high during the “We Believe” Era (1 year), have come crashing down to earth.
As much as financially, the Warriors will continue to be supported in the Bay, no matter what team they put on the court, I HOPE that their greed for maximizing profit will make them realize that if they pay for a team that can compete for the playoffs, they could leech of us so much more. And we wouldn ’t care.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you mean “big” by taking Stephen Curry seventh overall, then yes, I think something “big” is going to go down.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 5, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Big" move
Honestly, other than making a big move for a starting PG, I don’t think the Warriors necessarily need to force any other big move…..you’re saying “the franchise which is once again in a downward spiral”…..I don’t agree, I think we have a good solid young core of Monta, Biedrins, AR, BWright, Turiaf and Morrow with Monta, AR and Biedrins having the potential to be future all-stars. I know we’ve been through a lot as Warrior fans but the future doesn’t look so bad in my opinion
by ARandolph on Jun 5, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I would be so pumped if the Warriors traded Jackson. I know the majority of GSOM’ers disagree with me, but I feel like he is holding back the development of this young team. I also don’t like the example he is setting for our young players as the supposed “captain” of the team. Add in the fact that he calls out Randolph for playing hard in practice and elbowing Kurz in the face? I could care less if Randolph smacked Kurz everyday.
by randolphforpresident on Jun 5, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify...
I’m not trying to say we don’t have a lot to look forward too, however, what I mean is more in the sense of the way the Franchise as a whole took a huge step back from the 2007 Run…rather than build…we broke apart w/ the departure of J-Rich,Baron, Matt, even Harrington. Even though the front office may look at some of the moves as building for the future. They ended falling short of what they were trying to achieve. And that was win, and ride the fever. And the fans notice this. To go from “We believe” to 29 Wins is what I consider the downward spiral. But I know we can be better than that. Even those 48 wins in 08, they lacked the passion and heart of the year before.
I’m one of those people that feel AR could be one of the best Warrior players we have ever seen, if he continues to develop. But I’m concerned that with the lack of production from the organization, the obvious drop in fan faith, and the big changes in the front office, they may want to shake things up, I would hate to lose that nucleus you mentioned.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they may want to shake things up
Agreed – Riley will want to put a stamp on the post-Mullin transition, Rowell would like to make a move to improve the spiraling PR, and gotta believe Nelson will want to fortify the roster in what could very likely be his last season
Hopefully – we don’t make a move just to make a move, and a trade between two bottom dwelling WC teams exchanging bloated contracts and players doesn’t excite very much.
He’s not Kobe/LJ tier to be sure, but Bosh is in that next tier and he’s young still. If we were able to pry him away we’d still have young complimentary players around him no matter who we dealt, and if we have a reasonable expectation of re-signing him (or extending him) we’d become a lock for the playoffs and a challenger to get to the WCF for some time to come. From there, anything’s possible – look at how everyone expected the Cavs to be in the finals, but the Magic outplayed them and have a shot at a ring now. Landing Bosh could give us that opportunity – to be in the w-conference finals, from there we’d need some luck and further development, but we’re a whole lot closer to the promised land with him than not. And there are not that many players we can hope to get even from that second tier of super talented post players.
by hardcore on Jun 5, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
i think that they would love to make some big deal to start off the port mullin era and so that don can have the players that he really wants.
i wouldnt be surprised to see beans and or monta get moved this summer.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Jun 5, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bosh would work better
with a low post banger type that rebounds and scores inside to compliment his finesse high post jump shooting game. wait that sounds like beans minus the banger part.
if we do get bosh, i’d want him extended and to pair him up with beans so that he wont have to play center in the west. i could see him exceeding his 22 per game average playing for nellie.
losing monta wouldn’t sit well with many here but unless you’re the lakers, you have to give something to get something back.
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the CBA, I do not think that Bosh is at all likely to sign an extension prior to becoming a free agent. He can get a bigger contract if he waits, and the reason he took a shorter deal in the first place was to try to get a bigger version of the max contract when he becomes a free agent.
Do you really think he needs someone to compliment his finesse? Do you think he’s not well aware of it on his own?
by jae on Jun 5, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bosh might not need it, but ronny would definitely compliment his finesse. he’s so friendly and enthusiastic. he’s probably one of the better complimenters in the nba.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 5, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who compliments Yao in Houston. Do they need to employ a translator for that?
by jae on Jun 6, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its the same guy who translates everything Mutombo says
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 7, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its the same guy who translates everything Mutombo says
Do you ever wonder if Mutumbo was the voice for this guy?
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 8, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He can get a bigger contract if he waits"
How do you figure? Isn’t Toronto going to be the team that can offer the most, and their max isn’t likely to change much from one season to the next, right?
by markdash on Jun 5, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
he’s referring to the fact that Bosh’s max pay goes from 25% of the cap to 30% after next season when he becomes a seven year vet.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 5, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how his pay would compare if he signed now with Toronto for the max, versus signing with another team next year for their max.
I would imagine it would be larger now? Then again, it’s a complicated calculation because of canadian taxes, the changing salary cap, and such.
by markdash on Jun 6, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on the cap staying approximately the same for next season:
If he signs an extension now with Toronto, he can get a 6 years and ~$119 million avg a shade under $19.1mil. Another team with the ~$16.5 million in cap space for his first season can offer him 5 years and ~$96million (avg $19.1mil, but for one less year guaranteed). The per year dollar amounts are very, very similar with a slight edge to waiting if he just jumps ship to another team.
If he waits a year and becomes a free agent, Toronto can offer him 6 years and $125 million, either to keep him, or in sign-and-trade (I feel dirty just typing those words) if they can get three parties to agree on it and have the personnel to make it work. Another team with the cap room doesn’t have to send back contracts to Toronto though. They can send picks (or younger, less expensive guys), so there is real reason to believe that this could happen. Financially, waiting makes the most sense as it gives him the potential to make on average about a million more a year. Granted, I don’t know how he’d notice the difference between having $19mil and $20mil each year, but I suspect that it’s more status than anything else at that point.
by jae on Jun 6, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is it is Toronto. They have financial problems
and are not in position to put out over $100M on a contract. They are marginalized as a viable NBA franchise at this point.
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 6, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may not be in the position to so, but they can sign him to an extension prior to trading him, if he’s agreeable, where the other team will be the one shelling out for that contract.
by jae on Jun 6, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I'd rather give up Monta...
than Randolph. I know it’d be somewhat doubling up the PF spot with some more similar players in Bosh and Randolph, but I really see Randolph developing into a special kind of SF.
Imagine a lineup of AR, Bosh and Biens??? Man….w/ a solid 2 like Jackson, and distributing first PG? I could set for quite a while.
by esco41510 on Jun 5, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be cool
I personally think that there is a good chance we trade our pick.
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 5, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of a weak draft, we already have too many young guys, I definitely see us trying a trade.
by myk on Jun 5, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would trade monta
and the 7th pick to the griz to get rubio and take back whoever to make the trade work. monta will never turn into the play maker that this team needs.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Jun 5, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets forget about Bosh ...he aint cummin here...even in 2010 !.....dont trade away...our young team this year....
….draft BPA……if we can dump Maggs and Crawford great…..I am so worried that the pressure for Riley to make a stellar move will end up in a destructive move for us……..
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 6, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
doing nothing
would be just as destructive
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on Jun 6, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
god, i hate nellie
he wants to trade farm for bosh to get wins record… then when bosh walks, he’ll retire… garenteed
same old song and dance
by tafkasam on Jun 6, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How do you know any of that is true? Also, thats the most creative spelling of the word “guaranteed” that I’ve ever seen.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s only about 20 wins away so he’s going to get that record barring an even more horrific outcome than this past season ….
if Nelson is pushing for a Bosh trade, it’s more likely motivated by a strong desire to finish his career with one more chance to do something in the playoffs so he’s not soley remembered for sputtering across the Wilken’s-line on bald treads and an empty tank of gas
by hardcore on Jun 7, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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