RUMOR: Warriors and Raptors had a Marco Belinelli - Joey Graham deal in place
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
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Joey Graham does the unthinkable and makes Vince Carter look like Mike Dunleavy. [via photos.nj.com]
Jump for some details on the swap courtesy of our northern neighbors.
From the Toronto Star:
The things you learn schmoozing with people around something like an NBA final.
From the Water Under A Bridge department, found out last night the Raptors had a deal done with Golden State last season that would have seen them ship Joey Graham to California for guard Marco Belinelli.
It was so done that Bellinelli was almost on his way to the airport to come to Toronto and told friends he was being traded.
And then the Warriors backed off and killed the deal.
I still don't buy that Belinelli belongs in this league, but it's not a given that Graham gets a second NBA contract either. Neither player is even an average quality NBA player or has a high hoops IQ, but at least the athletic Graham gives the Warriors a little more size and cuts down their glut of poor to mediocre ranging guards. Truth be told, the Warriors aren't going to get much at all for Belinelli straight up. Unless the Warriors are taking back a bad contract, I'd be suprised if Belinelli could even net them a future 2nd round pick straight up.
This isn't a huge deal and I'd doubt it would have changed much about that horrendous WE SUCK 29 win season, but if this is true I'm curious why the Warriors killed off the deal.
Any ideas why?
Since we're in draft season, it's always fun to take a look back. The Warriors were heavily linked to Graham in the 2005 NBA Draft (the Ike Diogu 1st round bust one).
99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!
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eh?
Maybe we’re holding out on the Raptors, trying to save Belinelli as part of a Bosh trade.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Jun 5, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
whether you think he is a player in this league or not.
Toronto seems to really want Bellinelli and he probably has a higher value to them than to us (for the record, i’m not giving up on him just yet). They probably see potential and a good fit in Bellinelli. Could we trade him and Maggette for Kapono or Banks and their #9? Not sure how much the draft pick is worth because the salaries don’t match, so i don’t even know if this is possible.
We could then draft Derozan or Williams.
by warriOs on Jun 5, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And yes Belinelli does belong in the league
seems like everyone forgot what he did until he got hurt. he needs to be traded so that he can play in an actuall system where they run an offense so he can show what he can do.
by Belinelli's the savior on Jun 5, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree. He was playing really well mid-season before his ankle injury. Maybe most importantly, he looked like he WANTED to play defense, and was doing a good job of it. Add in the fact that he has some size and handles, and I think this is a guy we should hold onto. Although, yes, we do have kind of a logjam at the guard spots. Personally though, I’d rather see Belinelli play with Monte than Jackson play with Monte.
by randolphforpresident on Jun 5, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang Atma
I still don’t buy that Belinelli belongs in this league, but it’s not a given that Graham gets a second NBA contract either. Neither player is even an average quality NBA player or has a high hoops IQ
Do we not remember Belinellli right before he injured his ankle; averaging 17 a game over a five games stretch and looking smooth doing it. He was a leader on the floor that made games fun to watch. The guy is a playmaker, and at 6’5", a big one. He can also handle, shoot, and when he gets hot could keep up with Morrow. His defense has improved dramatically as well, guarding and pretty much shutting down Kobe
He has not had the chance to contribute consistently, but could be a solid bench member especially if Crawford leaves. One of the more attractive trading pieces because of his cheap contract, he will definitely be a controversial figure in the next month and in trading season. Still, trading first round draft picks should not be taken lightly. He and Wright could be a big part of this franchise in the next few years. Short term memories are highly prevelant in fanbases whose teams are suffering. If he blows up on another team, it is only because he hasn’t been given the chance here.
Wonder what Option Zero's new screen name is....
by danielholl on Jun 5, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we not remember Belinellli right before he injured his ankle; averaging 17 a game over a five games stretch and looking smooth doing it. He was a leader on the floor that made games fun to watch. The guy is a playmaker, and at 6’5", a big one. He can also handle, shoot, and when he gets hot could keep up with Morrow. His defense has improved dramatically as well, guarding and pretty much shutting down Kobe
I’ll let JAE do the honors.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this help?
I like Marco now as well, but it’s more on a potential basis. I was real, real down on him when he seemed to be the ‘pure shooter’ who couldn’t shoot, but he’s shown some ability to make shots now and has a bit more versatility in his offense and contributions on offense.
by jae on Jan 26, 2009 4:58 PM PST
Marco’s shown me that he’s improving in the areas he had to in order to be effective. Potential with evidence of progress is something I can get behind. Abstract potential in the "yeah, he sucks, and he’s sucked for a while and the things that made him suck in the past are still the things he sucks at and his level of suckitude seems stuck at ‘man, that guy really sucks’ but wow, he’s got potential" doesn’t do quite so much for me. Marco appears to actually be improving.
by jae on Jan 26, 2009 9:37 PM PST
I wouldn’t call him a “Kobe stopper” (or even a particularly good defender) but he has shown some significant improvement in his all around game. I think it’s safe to say he’ll stick around the league for a little while as a bench player unless he gets a serious injury or decides to stop working so hard on his game. There is also still a chance that he continues to improve and ends up starting for someone.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 5, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who cares about a decent 5 game stretch? He’s played 70 other games in the NBA and has been sub-par if not poorly.
I think it’s safe to say he’ll stick around the league for a little while as a bench player unless he gets a serious injury or
Based on what?
or decides to stop working so hard on his game.
Working so hard on his game? What is this based off of? Aside from maybe Jack, great work ethic isn’t something I’d use to describe anyone on this current Warriors roster.
I still remain amazed how much mileage Belinelli gets amongst Warriors fans for one meaningless summer league performance.
He’s not a good defender.
His assist : turnover ratio isn’t exactly point guard material.
His rebounding ability is pretty sad for a 6-5 player.
His hoops IQ is abysmal.
Players like Belinelli are a dime a dozen. I’d love to be wrong and see him blow up, but the odds aren’t in his favor.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to be wrong
no you don’t
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Jun 5, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for about 20 games with real playing time he did excellent
0708 doesnt count because he never played real minutes until memphis and seattle games. he played great this season until he got hurt. then old man nelson never put him back in.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jun 5, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Great"
I’d like to see 20 games where Belinelli played “great” this season. The game log is here. Are Warrior fans standards really this low?
Nellie yanked him because of his repeated dumb mistakes. I’m not saying some of the other guys (ahem Jack) shouldn’t have gotten pulled for their dumb mistakes as well, but let’s not put this on Nellie and say he arbitrarily sat a player who was playing “great”.
Belinelli is not a great player.
Belinelli did not have a great season.
I doubt Belinelli has a great future in this league.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember his game against team USA when he was 18? Lit us up. Yeah he is the real deal, Marco will be a stud. Belinelli is better than every player in the draft, except maybe Griffin or Rubio.
by myk on Jun 5, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. We should try offering him straight up to OKC for the #3 and see what kind of response we get.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 5, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't do it either.
There is too much potential with Rubio or Griffin. But other than those 2, I don’t see much. He is certainly better than Holliday, Evans, and especially Jennings, who cant start in the Italian league, which Marco has been doing since he was 17. Curry also may prove to be better than Marco, 4 years of college helps, but we already have Jamal and Monta, no need for Curry.
by myk on Jun 5, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re seriously overstating his value. He has done very little in his NBA career to indicate that he’s going to be a “stud.” You’re also, I think, seriously underestimating the speculative value of a high draft pick. As a test, you should go to any of our SBN sister sites with a top 10 pick and try offering them Marco straight up for their first rounder. I’d be surprised if you got a single bite. Heck, you should open a poll here and ask people whether they’d sooner give up our #7 pick or Marco. My guess … Marco, 90/10.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 5, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah most other teams don't know anything about Marco.
But I think it would be much lower than 90/10 on our site. Plus what player could we realistically get at 7 that is better than Marco? I don’t know why I feel the need for you to answer that question.
by myk on Jun 6, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I thought I had a firm handle on the title of Marco hater #1, but I’ve gotta yield to you Atma. I, like jae, didn’t like him when he was a “pure shooter” who didn’t shoot well. But he has shown some progress. I don’t think he’ll ever be a starter, his defensive prowess is waaaay overblown by 90% of GSoM, he’s never really looked much like a PG, and I wouldn’t really mind dealing him for Graham. All that said, I really don’t think he’ll be out of the league soon, he looks like he’ll probably be a pretty capable backup SG, or a 5th guard at worst for some time.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
Based on his per minute stats and the fact that everyone except for you seems to see that he has improved his game. I’m not saying he’s a great player or anything, I just think he’s shown enough improvement that it’s not fair to say he doesn’t belong in the league at this point.
Working so hard on his game? What is this based off of?
Um… the fact that his in game performance got a lot better… really Atma, if you are going to argue that Marco didn’t improve from his first year to his second I’m not sure what to say. Maybe his improvement was miraculous, but I think it’s safe to say that some work went into it. If you watch him play defense in his second season you can see that there is much more effort (work) going on than there was in his rookie year.
I still remain amazed how much mileage Belinelli gets amongst Warriors fans for one meaningless summer league performance.
Nobody is talking about his summer league game now that we’ve seen him play in actual NBA games. You’ll have to change your line to “I still remain amazed how much mileage Belinelli gets amongst Warriors fans for one meaningless five game stretch.”
He’s not a good defender.
Not particularly. He’s not a bad defender for a second year player though. I think it’s safe to say that he’s hovering around average thanks to the tremendous effort he’s putting in.
His assist : turnover ratio isn’t exactly point guard material.
And his shooting percentage isn’t very good for a center either. What’s your point? He has shown a decent ability as a playmaker for a SG (which is the only position I think he can really play). He’s not incredible, but this is one area that he’s already been improving at, and it’s not too crazy to think he may still get a bit better.
His rebounding ability is pretty sad for a 6-5 player.
Agreed, he is a poor rebounder.
His hoops IQ is abysmal.
He doesn’t strike as having an abysmal hoops IQ, but then again I have no idea what that means to you. I’m not sure how you are judging that. I’ve seen him make plenty of mistakes, but I’ve also seen him make the right play plenty of times. Pretty normal for a young player picked in the middle of the first round.
Players like Belinelli are a dime a dozen. I’d love to be wrong and see him blow up, but the odds aren’t in his favor.
Right now he is still a bottom of the roster type player. I’d say something like a 8th, 9th or 10th player on a lot of teams. That is still far from being out of the league. Even if he doesn’t improve much he should be able to stick around (unless he’d make more overseas which is another possibility).
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 5, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh I agree he improved from his rookie season- I don’t think I ever said otherwise. If I did I was mistaken.
The problem is he was so bad his rookie season, that that ain’t saying much. I don’t think that’s really attributable to a “great” work ethic or else you’d see great strides in his game or at least a much different basketball body so to speak. Let’s reserve great ethic for guys like Kobe Bryant (supremely talented as well) and the Richard Hamilton’s of the world who keep themselves in superior playing shape. I’m sorry, but Belinelli doesn’t fit that bill.
I bring up the passing/ pg skill because many seem to think that he’s a great combo guard and a passable PG. He’s not.
I still saw plenty of moments where he looked lazy and lost on the court. There were still plenty of mental lapses and dumb turnovers.
At the end of the day Belinelli really didn’t play that many decent-great games (calling it 20 games as the commenter above you claimed is very curious). In the past you’ve argued he’s as good as Jamal Crawford and I’m guessing that’s probably what’s fueling this on your side. Until I see a full season or at least a longer stretch out of him I’m not buying it.
I bring up the summer league performance because honestly if that never happened most of the Belinelli fan boys wouldn’t exist and the majority of Warriors fans wouldn’t differentiate him that much from Rob Kurz. Your 5 game stretch line is a good one as well though.
If we all agree he’s a bottom of the roster to non-NBA player and players like him are a dime a dozen, why is this such a big discussion point? The life of a Warrior fan!
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you have to be one of the most talented guys in the league to have a great work ethic?
I don’t think you’d get nearly as much backlash if you had just said “Marco isn’t the answer at PG, and he’ll probably never be a starter at any position.” Its just that you threw in “I don’t even buy that Belinelli belongs in the league.” Without that statement I don’t think there’d be nearly this much discussion.
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by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you have to be one of the most talented guys in the league to have a great work ethic?
Come on man. Obviously not.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you said lets reserve that title for guys like Rip and Kobe, what is that supposed to make me think?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the past you’ve argued he’s as good as Jamal Crawford and I’m guessing that’s probably what’s fueling this on your side.
That’s not exactly what I was arguing, but I’m not surprised that the nuance of the discussion is lost in your memory and replaced with the idea of me being pro-Marco, anti-Crawford. I was basically saying that a reasonable argument could be made that Crawford wasn’t any better than Marco. I also provided points to the contrary. The main point of that discussion had nothing to do with Marco or Crawford, it had to do with what I see as you being harder on the players you’ve decided that you don’t like, and easier on the players that you’ve decided that you do like.
If we all agree he’s a bottom of the roster to non-NBA player and players like him are a dime a dozen, why is this such a big discussion point?
Well, there is a big difference between being a bench player and not belonging in the league. The main reason I posted here is because I thought JAE’s comments from midseason were interesting and could add something to the conversation. I don’t think I made any wild claims about Marco being a great player, or having a great work ethic. I just said I thought it was a good sign that he was improving his game and at this point looks to be a pretty safe bet to be on an NBA roster for the next few years.
I don’t think Marco is exceptionally talented, and I think there were better choices to make with that draft pick (we were projected to take Fernandez on most mocks before he said he may stay in Europe for another year) but i think his improvement from year one to year two shows that he has a solid work ethic and is at least putting forth the effort that you’d hope for in a young player. I think he deserves credit for that even if he doesn’t ever become a starter or live up to the high expectations that some placed on him. Hey, at the time I thought we should take Javaris Crittenton who at this point is looking like a complete bust (the only thing he does well as a PG is rebound).
I know writers usually need to hold strong opinions to be relevant and entertaining, but I think you might enjoy dumping on Marco a little too much.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 5, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Obviously you never watched Belinelli this year....
Belinelli showed he improved because his defense got better, his court vision improved, and the only problem last year that Belinelli showed besides the injuries is that he could disappear even though he was scoring early in the game.
Sorry, but your theory on Belinelli is way off!
by Rocky632 on Jun 5, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I’ll let JAE do the honors.
What, is he your hired goon now?
I’ll make sure to tread softly from now on lest I find myself alone, in a dark alley, without a copy of Strunk & White and my TI 85.
The Warriors 2 biggest needs are perimeter defense and passing from the guard position. Something he’s shown an ability to do in stretches and get progressively better at last year. Besides Jackson, who is a better back court defender and passer?
He was terrible in his rookie season because he couldn’t shoot (well, couldn’t “make”), didn’t consistently make plays for others and he didn’t play any defense.
He got better last year. I’d like to see if he continues to get better now that he has a bunch of crappy defenders and passers playing in front of him, because he’s not going to outscore Watson, Crawford or Morrow for playing time.
Offensively, he and Crawford are kind of redundant, defensively Crawford and a folding chair are kind of redundant. I’d rather have Belinelli over Crawford, not that we have a choice in that matter.
Is he good? No way, but he has shown improvement in the team’s two areas of need and he’s under contract.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 6, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
His defense has improved dramatically as well, guarding and pretty much shutting down Kobe
Yeah, but if we can get JJ Reddick for him we have to pull the trigger. I mean, JJ stopped Kobe in the NBA finals. The NBA FINALS!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH man, jut noticed your tagline
AND I FINALLY GOT IN IT! AWESOME!!
But…how am I a Wannabe AB1? That hurts man.
How bout R Dizzle = Wannabe Rob Kurz?
We still believe!!
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by R Dizzle on Jun 5, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The original tagline you got all jealous over was
“AB1 = Wannabe TK”
You were jealous of AB1, so it just made sense…
On a side note, I changed it pretty much as soon as you requested it… I’m actually kinda hurt that it took you this long to notice :-(
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
Try again. Comparing me to another GSoM writer/brother really isn’t that original…
You can do better than that!
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by R Dizzle on Jun 5, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Neither is "izzle"ing your name, so we’re in good company!
I stand by my signature. You wanted to have what AB1 had, thus you wanted to be AB1. You don’t like it, do something crazy that inspires me to change it.
Just, be careful, if you try to give yourself your own nickname (like Tory “Big Game” Holt or Kobe “Mamba” Bryant), I might have to put a mocking twist on it…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I support a man that stands his ground.
But a few points.
1. True, adding “izzle” to my name really isn’t novel. HOWEVER, the R Dizzle name has a history behind it and started back in the days of 2003 when Halo 1 is running rampant through televisions across the nation. Just look it up on Xbox Live stats.
2. The resurgence of “R Dizzle” came in 2006 when I stared in a short movie with some buddies from college. It struck big and even prompted me to purchase an “R Dizzle” jersey for a show I performed in.
3. “R Dizzle” then came back 2007 when I was asked to join GSoM as a writer. I figured it had a long history and creating a new moniker just seemed disrespectful to the character that I had built up.
4. Now, the R Dizzle name is commonplace amongst youngsters in the Bay and across the nation. When they ask, “Who Is R Dizzle?” the response is not a “Who?” like my boy Mike Jones, rather a “He’s flyer than a piece of paper bearing his name.”
THEREFORE, if you come up with something else, I’d be thoroughly entertained. Let’s face the facts here, comparing me to AB1 is as wack as comparing Marco Belinelli to Larry Bird. Sure, they do the same things, but one is MUCH MUCH more talented.
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by R Dizzle on Jun 5, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so who is bird and who is marco?
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jun 5, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's for you tot decide.
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by R Dizzle on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry...
if Marco can show some improvement maybe you can too. Keep it up.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 5, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you get it
It’s not that you and AB1 are similar in any way shape or form. It’s just that you wanted to be in my sig only because AB1 was there. You wanted to be like AB1 and be in my sig. If that’s not the definition of a “wannabe,” then I don’t know what is.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahah, I do get it
I was just messing around and I wanted to go on a rant about R Dizzle.
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by R Dizzle on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another "Wannabe AB1" example...
;-)
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird
A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 8, 2009 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this better?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird
A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good young padawun.
We still believe!!
Follow me on Twitter! Username - RDizzleGSoM
by R Dizzle on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RDizzle : AB1
A. Joaquin Phoenix : Zack Galifianakis
B: Lady in a Mugshot : Gollum
C. Commissioner Gordon : Ned Flanders
D. A Hemoglobin Molecule : The Flying Spaghetti Monster
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 5, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Marco : Bird :: Iggy : jae
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 5, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys
From R Dizzle’s response on down- I must say this is a remarkably dumb topic.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forget what the topic was… :-(
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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 5, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a Marco Belinelli for Joey Graham blockbuster that was discussed 4 months ago and never happened, so………. define “remarkably dumb topic.”
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by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
define "remarkably dumb topic."
and what is “AB1” anyway?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 5, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andris Biedrins' #1 fan
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jun 6, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: define "remarkably dumb topic."
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 6, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure if you're aware of this AB1
But we’re all on the “remarkably dumb” internets…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird
A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 8, 2009 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as wack as comparing Marco Belinelli toLarry BirdSarunas Jasikevicius
Atma would be Marco except that Marco and Bidrins are BFFs so maybe you’re both Matt Stienmetz.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 6, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i always wanted rudy fernandez instead
by gogoldenbears on Jun 5, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if W's would got a Fernandez
Atma would try to convince you that Rudy is a bust
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Jun 5, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw yes
I can always count on Lat We N Trash to make zero sense.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you can always count me calling you Adolf Trickler
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Jun 5, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if W's would got a Fernandez Atma would try to convince you that Rudy is a bust
That’s right, If we’d got Rudy he probably woulda been a Marco! it’s Warriors karma.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 5, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Belli is Rudy's age
he’ll be better. What has Marco done. He torched team USA at age 18. That’s legit.
by myk on Jun 5, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one game does not make you legit. no matter how many times you say it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 5, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he scored 36 in a summer league game!!!!!!! 2 games=legit
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
that sweet no-look pass to Andris!! He’s clearly Steve Nash!!!
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 5, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I wish.
My point in bringing that game up is to point out how silly it is that everyone is drooling over a bunch of unproven players in this draft. None of them have resumes comparable to Marco’s at the equivalent age. I also feel that Marco finally got comfortable last year, it was just unfortunate he got injured. Do I think he should start?No, unless he improves way more than I anticipate. Should he be getting quality backup minutes? Yes. He’s only 22/23, I’m not expecting him to be Ginobili or anything, he just deserves a little more credit. Even at this age and stage of his career he is a legitimate NBA role player.
by myk on Jun 6, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of them have resumes comparable to Marco’s at the equivalent age.
Thats not true at all. Griffin, Rubio, Lawson, Curry……
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 6, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. all hail Belinelli.
Sarunas Jasikevicius had 27 points against them in 2000 & 28 in 2004. why did we get rid of such a “legit” player? i remember the 1st “great” player to torch team USA, Shane Heal 28 pts in ’96 – who was the GM who had the wisdom to pick him? looks like some guy named McHale.
even though he’s projected at best as a later 1st rounder, we should probably draft Patty Mills out of St. Mary’s since he scored 20 points & had 3 supposedly impressive steals vs Team USA last yr.
by the evil monkey on Jun 5, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree
Belinelli would probably flurish in a more standard playing style with a better core of defensive players (i.e. Utah)
I have not watch Toronto and have no idea if he would work there.
Maybe the Warriors were trying to get them drooling over Belinelli then pull back as a trick to get Bosh and some other guys thrown in? SOunds like Rowell logic to me
by warriorsvictim on Jun 5, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
joey graham
is a tweener that couldn’t even crack the rotation before Marion got there. In other words, he never got off the bench as a backup to Jamario Moon.
I know Beli hasn’t done too much but this deal blows.
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jun 5, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marco Marco Marco
I was hoping we would finally see if he was a bust or not this season without baron, but then we had to get crawford and that killed any hope of seeing much of him. Until the injuries, where he shined until he went down.
If we draft a pg, we probably will trade him since we will be overloaded.
by mosdl on Jun 5, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was so done that Bellinelli was almost on his way to the airport to come to Toronto and told friends he was being traded.
Why do they tell us about this stuff if they didn’t do it? just to piss us off? just to show us how much they like to suck, and we can’t do anything about it? why do they keep “Wongin” us?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 5, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love how the photo makes Bargnani look like some random dude
Dude just looks like he’s wearing a T-Shirt watching all goofy eyed about the cool NBA player going up for a dunk.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
shouldn’t he be bringing someone a gatorade? he’s really falling down on the job.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would, but...
He can’t get past Terrance Williams.
PS. Thanks for setting me up for that one.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 5, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note the context
If you read the note again, you can see that the deal was in place last season when the team was in serious talks to move him (some rumors had him going to New Jersey). This could have been before he made his 17 ppg statement. Truth is this guy DOES have value, and for the right big body coming back it makes sense with Watson and our other pgs out there, but we cant take this into account currently seeing as the deal was in place SO LONG AGO
by pinkycheal on Jun 5, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure Marco's not so great, but come on
Graham is BAD
by 123707THIZZ on Jun 5, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
pretty much. would be pretty damning (for Riley’s GM skills) if Riley made the trade & Nellie nixed it.
by the evil monkey on Jun 5, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate AB1
such a nelson disciple.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jun 5, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
atma, do you even watch the games?
belinelli’s stretch pre-injury and randolph’s emergence as the season drew to an end are the best performances of the season. and yes, he actually addresses our weaknesses for a change. the year was wasted on the horrible triumvirate of maggette jackson and crawford. when crawford or maggs lose almost every game they play starter minutes in, maybe those are the guys who should be out of the league, not the guy who actually cares about defense, playmaking, ball movement, shooting and getting our big men good looks.
by steelekord on Jun 5, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1111111
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jun 5, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
You’ve given me some great material for another myth article.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 5, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is
The GSoM producers want a third “GSoM Mythbusters” article written, but the original writers have decided that the idea is cliched, so they’ve got to find some other writers to come in and do the job?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird
A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 8, 2009 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me give you the starters at "2-guard" for the conference finals teams
dahntay jones, kobe, courtney lee/jj reddick, delonte west. marco is better than each one of those guys (and has a more divers skill set) with the exception being kobe of course (huge talent disparity there), and the implication (which i believe) is that denver, orlando, and the cavaliers would be better than they already are with marco as their starting 2-guard. of course, they’d be well enough with morrow as well, but that’s a different story altogether…
by steelekord on Jun 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dahntay jones, kobe, courtney lee/jj reddick, delonte west. marco is better than each one of those guys
Its not really even close, I would take any of those guys (except maybe Reddick) over Marco. Dahntay Jones is the only one thats even debatable and he plays the first 7-10 minutes of each half before giving way to JR Smith. He doesn’t play starter minutes. You honestly think Belinelli is better than West or Lee? What are you basing that on?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm no
delonte west is a terrible passing point who can shoot the 3 and guard his man well. he plays the 2 because of mismatches and is a bad point. dahntay jones is a terrible offensive player and a very good defensive player however…. he is not a lock down type of guy. courtney lee…. solid player… marcos alot better. lee is a good jump shooter and is athletic and good at moving into lanes opened by double teams to howard.
marco is a better shooter off the dribble and probably in spot up situations(lee and west get wide open looks from howard and lebron so their numbers are inflated)….obviously a better playmaker. he is about the same as lee on defense. west is a good man on man defender and he is a tad better than marco.
overall…..marco is at least as good as any of those guys…. and probably better
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jun 5, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, wow, wow. Where to begin debunking that mess?
delonte west is a terrible passing point who can shoot the 3 and guard his man well.
-Delonte West’s very respectable 39.9% accuracy from 3 point range was actually slightly better than the career high 39.7% Marco hit last season. West also hit 45.7% from the field and 83.3% from the field. Marco hit 44% from the field and under 77% from the line. West’s percentages are very good across the board, he doesn’t JUST shoot the 3 well. Marco’s percentages aren’t bad and I’m impressed by his improvement, but they aren’t nearly as good as West’s.
-Per 36 minutes, Delonte has averaged 4.7 assists. His numbers were down last year, not surprising considering he plays in between LeBron and Mo Williams who handle the distribution duties. This is not because West CAN’T do it, its because he doesnt have to. Yet even in this down assists year for him he put up almost the exact same number of assists per 36 as Marco (3.5 to 3.6) Both guys put up pretty good assists numbers for SGs, but below average ones for a PG. The main difference here is that West has been a 5+ assist per 36 minute type of guy most of his career (even last year playing next to LeBron) until he became the 3rd distributing option this year with the arrival of Mo Williams. Marco has not yet shown any signs of being capable of that.
-When you consider that West is also a much better defender than Marco, I don’t see how you could possibly argue that Marco is the better player.
-Like I said, Dahntay Jones is debatable. But he only starts for Denver because of his defensive tenacity, he comes out about 7 minutes into each half. Marco isn’t even close to as good of a defender as Jones and he’s not as good of a player as JR Smith, so I can’t see him doing anything but making Denver worse if he replaced either one.
-Courtney Lee is a rookie. If you put his rookie stats up against Marco’s rookie stats there is NO comparison. Would Marco get some burn for Orlando? Yea, but JJ Reddick does sometimes does too. If you asked Orlando if they’d swap us Lee for Marco what do you think they’d say?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like how delonte west is a “terrible passing point who can guard his man and shoot the 3 well” when he does all 3 of the things mentioned in that quote much better than marco (with the exception of 3 pt shooting where west has only a slight edge). does marco do anything better than west?
the debate of marco vs. west, lee, or jones/smith is silly even before you add kobe’s name.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 6, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s say your assessment of Delonte West is on point…
Delonte West (a guy who should not be playing the 2 in your opinion) is a much better 2 guard than Marco Belinelli.
he’s a better passer – last season, DW has had an assisted basket on 22.8% of his used possessions. Marco was at 18.1% (in his 5 seasons, DW has been in the 21.7% to 27.6% range). Delonte also turns the ball over less 9.3% vs Marco’s 12.1%.
and Delonte sports a 2.46 to 1 Asst to TO ratio while Marco’s is at 1.49 (which by the way is worse than Jack’s & Watson is even in the 2 to 1 range).
he’s a better rebounder – over his career, Delonte picks up 5.6 to 7.5% of his team’s rebounds. Marco is one of the worst in the league at 3.1 to 4.4%
shooting wise (from the floor) they’re about even, (career) DW 45% & 38% from 3, Marco is 43% & 40% from 3….. Delonte is the better FT shooter at 82% vs Marco at 77%.
and at least Delonte is an actual threat to block your shot.
realistically, Marco’s probably a Sasha Vujacic level player (only flashier & nowhere near as annoying).
by the evil monkey on Jun 6, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
so let’s say Marco > Lee & West (even though Lee is around Marco’s score for player efficiency stats like PER, PAWS, etc & West’s is much better than Marco’s).
so Marco Belinelli is fine as your best 2 guard as long as you have the best 2 players in the world and it’s basically LJ, DH, DW > KB >>>>>>>>>> CP3 (at 5th best).
or hey, he can also start for a conference finals team if you have a quirky coach like George Karl who doesn’t start his best 2 guard (JR Smith) who is much better than Marco.
by the evil monkey on Jun 5, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
joey is the enigma
raptor fan for life, watched joey for several years praying he finally gets it. he shows flashes of being great at both ends of the floor, and they will dissapear for weeks.
we don’t want to give up on joey, but for marco, i’ll take it, what does either side have to lose. both these guys are struggling on their respective squads maybe they need a change of atmosphere.
how many special people change, how many lives are living strange, where were you while we were getting high?
by MP22 on Jun 5, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bellinelli
Warriors should offer Bellinelli, Wright and the 7 pick to Memphis for the 2 pick, since Rubio does not want to play for Memphis, and Buckner to match the contracts.
by dddaddy on Jun 6, 2009 12:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather keep belinelli
pg: Ellis
sg: Belinelli
sf: Randolf
pf: Turiaf
c: Biedriens
wright kelena and morrow are often used part of the rotation.
crawford and jackson traded
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Jun 6, 2009 2:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
reply fail
apparently studying for finals is rotting my brain.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 6, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
quit wasting your brain power on silly things like finals and focus on your posts man. Where are your priorities?
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any Ideas Why?
first, at least we have a strong barometer of Marco’s value as indicated by the market – and the Toronto GM is no slouch. If Marco’s value is Grahamesque all the hand-wringing over the plight of poor Marco is really wasted energy. Joey Graham? My first reaction was “who?” which may speak more to my (lack of) knowledge of every other team’s bench players than Marco’s value, but maybe not.
second, as to why GSW aborted this trade, Marco’s value to GSW may have been inflated over market if this trade was to have taken place during the spate of injuries last season. In that case the fact that the GSW turned down the deal isn’t necessarily a ringing endorsement of Mullin’s “find.” From the post, this is impossible to tell because the post doesn’t give us a “when” for this almost-trade.
(as an aside, there’s got to be TONS of these “non-trades” every season that we never know about)
At best Marco’s a good rotation player off the bench, and we have those aplenty. He’s not going to start 1-2-3 for us in almost any scenario I can imagine next fall. So, whether he, Morrow, or KAz, etc. are included in a trade to make us better really is irrelevant to me as long as we’re getting the best player in the trade back. Wright + any of the wings for example, and we’d have plenty of wing depth to cover the outgoing talent. What we need is the best player in the trade coming to us.
We need more talent. If Marco gets us that in a trade then he’s served his purpose. If he occupies a spot in the rotation off the bench he’s serving a purpose. If he’s buried behind Jax, Maggs, KAz, Morrow etc. he’s not serving any purpose.
by hardcore on Jun 6, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
whether he, Morrow, or KAz, etc. are included in a trade to make us better really is irrelevant to me as long as we’re getting the best player in the trade back
If we trade Morrow there’s no way we are getting the best player back. He was the top percentage shooter and showed a lot of game IQ.
He’s the guy teams trade for not away.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 6, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FIRE BOBBY
FIRE BOBBY
SELL THE TEAM COHAN
DUB FANS DESERVE BETTER
by GState21 on Jun 7, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrH954f0TE
Nuff said, the man has undeniable skills.
by RowellMustGo on Jun 24, 2009 6:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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