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While it’s fun to fantasize about bringing Bosh (over 22ppg, 10rpg) to the Bay, there’s a decreasing likelihood that he’s going anywhere and if he does, that he’d bypass his chance at picking his spot as a FA – he himself announced that he’s sticking to his plan put in motion years ago:

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via media.thestar.topscms.com

Chris Bosh, the Toronto Raptors all-star, suggested strongly today that he will forgo signing a contract extension this summer, setting himself up to be among a historically stacked NBA free agent class next year.

"(When) I signed a three-year (extension in 2006)... I had a goal in mind, and that was to put myself in the best position (in 2010) ... I'm thinking I just want to stick to my goal, stick to what I was doing," said Bosh.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/645658

This makes him all but unmovable for the Raptors - no team will trade them much for a one year rental, and if they do trade him for less value they lose the chance to match and exceed any offer he gets as a FA.

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Bucks forward Charlie Villanueva is no Chris Bosh, but he could be this year’s Turiaf in that we might be able to sign away a serviceable NBA big man.

Talk out of Milw is that they may not even tender him a $4m/yr contract in order to retain the rights to match offers he might get, not because he’s not wanted but as a product of the club being dead-set against hitting the luxury tax.

CV is interested in joining LJ in Cleveland (who wouldn’t be?) but that’s unlikely unless Anderson Varejao leaves, loosening the Cav’s cap constraints.   http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/46853717.html

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Villanueva was discussed several times on GSoM previously, once in a potential deal for MP:

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2008/1/11/131426/607

and trade for CV was just posted in a thread for us by tafkasam:

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/6/5/898366/two-possible-trades

The advantage of tafkasam’s idea is the possibility of unloading some contracts. But signing CV away from Milw without losing a player would allow us to hang on to assets to trade while increasing our flexibility to make a deal with our other PF/C assets – Andris, Turiaf, AR, and BWright. All have value in potential trades, and by adding CV we’d have depth to deal from strength.

This past season the 6’11, 232 lb, PF avg’d over 16 ppg and 6.7 rpg in 27 min pg. Villanueva’s still young (24) and would bolster our depth. In comparison, Turiaf (250lb., 26 yr) 6ppg & 5rpg  in 21 mpg., although he is the kind of player who’s energy and impact on the game seem greater than his stat line would suggest.

Will adding a player like CV would block the development of AR, and/or BWright? Some of us are hoping or expecting AR to be a double-double contributor, in which case why would we add Villanueva?

First, in the case that either Wright or AR is packaged in a deal, we’d need some depth inside. Second, we have a small sample pool of whether AR is going to be able to consistently put up those kinds of performances against the big frontlines in the WC. We could regret not adding depth inside if we gamble that both our young PF pan out and they don't. And third, we can never have enough bigs - particularly in a year where it seems unlikely we will be able to draft a big.

Would you add this man to your frontline if you could do so for say, the MLE?

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I for one would like to hear more from those of you who are more facile with stats (plus/minus, PER, etc.) as well as those who might have been able to see him play this season a bit more than a game or two to put Villanueva in perspective for us.

 

 

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the whole mle seems a bit high to me, but for a couple mil a year and some trade flexibility to deal either him or wright with one of the crawford/jack/maggs bad contract trifecta to a contender looking to add a piece, i’d be excited to have him on the team.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 5, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 5, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CV is interested in joining LJ in Cleveland (who wouldn’t be?) but that’s unlikely unless Anderson Varejao leaves, loosening the Cav’s cap constraints.

i believe resigning Varejao wouldn’t preclude the Cavs from offering someone their MLE.

i definitely would offer CV our MLE or something approaching it (along w/ the chance to start) – then try to use Wright as bait to move one of our bad contracts.

by the evil monkey on Jun 5, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

not nearly the capologist that others here are, but I think it’d be related to the both the luxury tax and the looming effort to re-sign LJ … not sure they can do all three and stay below luxury tax (though if there was ever someone to pay the tax for it’d be LJ!)

by hardcore on Jun 6, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was going under the assumption that the Cavs owner has no problem paying tax since their roster apparently cost them $91 mill this past season.

the real ? is whether they want to save their money by not signing Varejao or MLE players & try to add a max contract player (Bosh or Amare) in ‘10 to Lebron. As of now, they’ll still only be at $35 mill even with Lebron’s cap hold of $17.15 mill…..

looks like the 08-09 salary cap $58.68 mill (lux tax was $71.15 mill). we don’t know where the cap will be in ‘10, but if the Cavs don’t add any contracts into that season, they could have around $20 mill to add a player next to Lebron.

by the evil monkey on Jun 7, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll add you to the (ever growing) list, of superior capologists!

by hardcore on Jun 7, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Dan Gilbert had no problem paying the tax, Ferry would have traded Szczerbiak for something useful at the trade deadline. Instead, they’re letting his expiring contract expire. That doesn’t sound like they’re OK with the tax.

by markdash on Jun 7, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

that depends what was available. If they didn’t like what was out there enough to commit they may have just decided to keep their flexibility to try to bring in a FA to play with LBJ.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 8, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming Ilgauskas and Varejao pick up their player options for 2009-10, the Cavaliers will have $0 in cap space this off-season. Are you talking about next year? Because that’s a long way off.

by markdash on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh. Kidd will turn 37 this season (albeit in March) & Miller 34 (also in March)… since this team really isn’t built to win now, what’s the point? it’d be a good idea if the miracle trade for Bosh occurred.

by the evil monkey on Jun 5, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To help train a young point guard

Signing a Miller or Kidd would help bring along a young point guard, since it looks to me like that’s what the Warriors are looking to draft. Who better for a young point guard to learn the ropes from for a year or two?

by LakerFan24 on Jun 6, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there any real evidence that playing on a team that has a veteran good point guard helps bring along a younger point guard?

by jae on Jun 6, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure how to measure it, but one assumes PGs learn the way most of us do: observe & discuss, trial & error, adjust, practice (well, other than AI), repeat … never thought it had to be proved with evidence before now … would be instructive and interesting to interview some of the great PG and find out if they learned from older players or not along the way ….

by hardcore on Jun 7, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not doubt that it can happen, but I do not know that in particular cases that a vet necessarily provides instruction to the younger guy. So much of what good point guards seem to do appears instinctive that I do not know if this exposure really helps. It could be instructive. I would not bank on it in the general case though. I’d like to see some data rather than just assume that Kidd or Miller or anyone else is necessarily going to show the ropes to the kid.

by jae on Jun 7, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a bigger plus would be

monta could play off ball if we got kidd. He is actually ideal PG because he can defend a 2.

by tafkasam on Jun 8, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a younger Jason Kidd might have been able to guard opposing SG, but now? not as effectively …

by hardcore on Jun 8, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd give villanueva an MLE

his minimum qualifying offer is 4 mil so its not tooo much more. He’s a more commited PF version of al harrington, not a great rebounder but better, and could be even better with more work.

He’s young (25) but showed he’s finding his way in nba, i’m convinced if we signed him say 3 years 18 mil…. by end he’ll probably command much more. More so, he has the type of game that if randolph grows faster than expected he is ideal 6th man type.

The biggest problem is he’s a guy who needs some disapline… he’ got the talent and shown he can make the outside shot but he falls in love with it too much instead of going to the rim more. GSW would not be the place to disapline him

by tafkasam on Jun 5, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe i don't watch CV enough

But am i alone in thinking that he probably wouldn’t choose to come to Oakland if it just were for the MLE? He could sign the MLE at many other destinations if that is what he’s willing to settle for. Plus here’s an idea, if he doesn’t get the contract offers he wants, who’s to say that he won’t opt for Europe for at least a year?

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

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by kenntoe on Jun 6, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll take him with this per 36 statline...

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09 24 MIL NBA 78 47 2095 8.4 18.7 .447 1.5 4.4 .345 3.5 4.1 .838 2.6 6.3 8.9 2.4 0.9 1.0 2.4 4.4 21.7

i mean as long as the deal is reasonable price. tafkasm’s proposed deal sounds good 3/18 or less and i’m ok. he’s got decent skills and can shoot from outside. is he athletic enough to play SF at times?

by gogoldenbears on Jun 5, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you could get him for the MLE for 4 years, why not? The Warriors’ cap is completely and inexorably fuxxed anyway, and he’s a big with talent.

Plus I could use the name “Al O. Pecia” on the forums. That would be nifty.

by markdash on Jun 5, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd trade for Bosh still

If they get C-Mag and S-Jax with em. Huge, Huge, salary dump opportunity. We’ll have the opportunity to snag a star hopefully in 2010.

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 5, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck Newhouse is LAZY

Did you watch him play before this season? The only reason he had a good season this year was because it was a contract year. Don’t be fooled! He was on my fantasy team two years ago and I watched him play a lot. He didn’t “grow up” this year, he just got aggressive. But you can tell when you watch him that he doesn’t have the hunger. He’s playing for the money, not for the love. JUST SAY NO.

by b.radley on Jun 5, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Question...

Anybody have a good idea of what Marcin Gortat will command as a free agent? I know it’s not really an area of need but he seems like he might still be a real bargain, despite the extra exposure he’s been getting.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he’s definitely going to get the mle from someone and considering how useful he’d be on detroit, minnesota or okc (teams with cap space), he could command more than that.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 6, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gortat falls under the Arenas provision. For practical purposes, this limits other teams from offering him more than the MLE and allows Orlando to match. He won’t get a larger offer for next year. League rules forbid it. He will only wind up somewhere else if Orlando fears lux tax payments.

by jae on Jun 6, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i had no idea. that’s good news for the magic.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 6, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they’re in luxury tax w/o him anyway

by tafkasam on Jun 6, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but hes athletic...

HE CAN LEARN D FROM NELLIE!!

by tafkasam on Jun 6, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, nice

Nellie really values and teaches D. That’s why he handed it off to Smart.

by Neon on Jun 6, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he handed off the D because he’s 97 years old, weighs 530 pounds and drinks two bottles of scotch a day, not because he doesn’t like or understand defense.

by markdash on Jun 7, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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