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Brandon Jennings #7


I believe some people on this site are completely underrating his ability after his season in Europe. There is a reason he was rated as the number one senior in the country in high school. He has unbelievable court vision, quickness, and contrary to popular belief he can score. His senior year he averaged something like thirty five points a game for the best team in hs basketball. He is exactly what we need despite his size dissadvantage. He is a true point guard who matured during this season and became less flashy and overall a better player. People forget that playing in Europe is nothing like it is here in the U.S. because of the style of play and how stingy the statisticians are with assist numbers. We would have the fastest team in the league and i think him and monta can form an unstoppable duo with them flying up and down the court. He will make life for bigs like A.R. and Biedrins so much easier with his passes. This is exactly what we ned.
  



   

  

  

and this one has passes only 


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Jennings is my top choice. After him, I’d go with Holiday and then Evans. Even in the worst-case scenario will one of those guys be available.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 7, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

he has great talent

but the best we have basically seen from is his pregame dunks. i just want to see some real game footage of him. not highlights but a whole game

by gsw.raiders on Jun 8, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

i agree we need to see a whole game

but i think we take him for his great potential. He is making plays in these videos that very few pg’s in the nba can make outside of rose. His perceived weaknesses like shooting can become better with repetition and experience. Swinging for the fences is the way championships are won. That is way 2 of the top players in the nba were drafted, kobe and garnett. The teams that took them saw something great in them and they panned out. We wont be a great team by drafting a team of solid players. Look at the Nba finals. The reason why those teams are there are superstars like dwight howard and kobe that carry those role players and take over the game. Jennings has a certain swagger to him that a team can build confidence in, just like randolph. He has a killer mentality.

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 8, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

but i think we take him for his great potential.

Please explain how this applies differently to Brandon than how it applies to every single other prospect in the draft.

He is making plays in these videos that very few pg’s in the nba can make outside of rose.

I could make a video of myself of me making pretty passes in pick up that “very few pgs in the NBA can make outside of rose”… PS. Seriously, Rose? That’s the best you could come up with?

Swinging for the fences is the way championships are won. That is way 2 of the top players in the nba were drafted, kobe and garnett.

It’s also the way Kwame Brown, Andrea Bargnani, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, and EVERY OTHER LOTTERY PLAYER EVER was drafted. Nothing makes Brandon any different.

We wont be a great team by drafting a team of solid players.

I don’t think anybody’s advocating drafting Tyler Hansbro at #7. Other than that, name me on player that’s “solid” instead of “has longupsidepotential” that’s on our draft radar.

The reason why those teams are there are superstars like dwight howard and kobe that carry those role players and take over the game.

Again, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Absolutely nothing that you can ever say will ever convince anyone that Jennings has a “higher ceiling” or “more upsidelongpotential” than players like Jrue Holliday, Tyreke Evans, or Ty Lawson… Or even Terrence Williams, etc. for that matter. They’re all crapshoots.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird

A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 8, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

this is true

you can make anyone look good in a highlight tape…

by gogoldenbears on Jun 8, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could make a video of myself of me

Editing would be nice, don’t you think? But I do understand why it’s not available, it’d be too easy to retract/change stupid comments.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird

A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 8, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

True...
Editing would be nice, don’t you think? But I do understand why it’s not available, it’d be too easy to retract/change stupid comments.

Yeah, it would be nice to edit your comments but I have to admit that I think a little harder when I post here than I do in forums that you can go back and fix stuff. That’s probably a good thing in the long run, despite a few missed typos.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 8, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

idk why everyone says junk like…jennings has a higher ceiling than holiday…jennings is more athletic…etc etc…

its all speculation…and id rather go by the guy dominating in the combines than the guy being trash in europe

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 8, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

who would do better in europe Brandon Jennings or Jrue Holiday?

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Your a Jerk.
Your a Jerk.
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by Sinigang on Jun 8, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Combine numbers are overrated

“Dominating the combine” doesn’t impress me. You know who didn’t “dominate the combine”? Kevin Durant, Amare Stoudemire, and Monta Ellis are a few examples. Watch the guys play with and against each other in workouts and you’ll see how they stack up to each other athletically. The real problem so far with Jennings is we haven’t seen a single thing involving him and any other draft prospect.

by Missing Barry on Jun 8, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The real problem so far with Jennings is we haven’t seen a single thing involving him and any other draft prospect

Exactly. I don’t know how anyone can be excited about him right now.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 8, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly my point

idk why people are so hyped on someone we know really nothing about other than he was great in high school and crap in europe

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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by LostHawk on Jun 8, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course, the argument for holiday isn’t much different. a highly regarded high school player, struggles in college/europe because a coach didn’t play to his strengths.

if you are willing to dismiss jennings for struggling in europe where the game is much different, shouldn’t you dismiss holiday for struggling in college while playing out of position? in both cases, we are left with the hope that his high school performance is more closely related to how he’ll be as a pro than what he did after high school. for that reason, both holiday and jennings are risky picks.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The one thing about Holiday (even though I’m in the pro-Jennings camp) is at least he was at the combine, and at least there are positive things being said about him after he goes through drills with his draft peers.

by Missing Barry on Jun 8, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, the analogy isn’t perfect.

we know more about holiday based on his combine results and because more of us have actually seen him play basketball since he left high school, but we still don’t know that much about how he reacts in games when he’s the point guard outside of what he did in high school. holiday and jennings both have “high school phenom who hasn’t shown us anything else” status due to what they did in high school and after they left, but at least holiday can add “workout wonder” to his resume. i’m just saying that there’s a lot we don’t know about both these guys and to say that one is a shot in the dark, when we haven’t seen much more from the other, seems a little misleading.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

combine results

and defense. im always happy to see a player that can play defense have chance to join a team that really could use a great man to man/ perimiter defender….not to mention his size

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 8, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOW

are you serious??? Like Holiday would do any better than Jennings. If they both vs 1 on 1 Jennings would kill him

The Bay is the place to be!!

by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 8, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jennings sounds like he would do great things with the And1 team then.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Jun 8, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

only question now is

whats would be his nickname?, lol (if he joined the And 1 team) Any suggestions?

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 8, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Italian Stallion

Although, that can’t be his nickname if we draft him.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird

A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 9, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

House Party

Brandon “House Party” Jennings

The Bay is the place to be!!

by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

i fail to see why that matters. you get other 4 guys playing with you when you play in the nba; the player who is better in that situation is the only thing that is even remotely important.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, tall guy always wins 1 on 1. Jennings has no chance.

by Missing Barry on Jun 8, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

LeBron v. Dwight one on one? I’m taking LeBron

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 8, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there a shot clock?

A 3 second violation? D-Ho gets every rebound and backs LBJ down under the basket any time he wants.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird

A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 9, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dwight would score every single time against Lebron. It comes down to whether Lebron can hit enough 3’s to make up for it.

by Missing Barry on Jun 9, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok Missing Barry

Since you say taller players win all the time, do you think that Hamed Haddadi would win a 1 on 1 vs Dwight Howard .

Or

Luke Walton would beat Kobe Bryant. Still think taller players would win all the time??

The Bay is the place to be!!

by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would think that normally, but I remember a game between Dr. J and Kareem after both retired. I thought that the Doctor would be able to drive around him at will, that when he had to put it on the floor, Kareem would just get picked clean, but it didn’t turn out that way at all. With only one guy to deal with, Kareem didn’t have the real serious trouble of getting picked since he only had to worry about one guy, and in half court, it wasn’t like a steal became a breakaway dunk anyhow. He could back in on Erving slowly, and shoot over him, getting any rebound nearby. On offense, Dr. J had trouble getting his shot off. It was a truly terrible display of basketball, not the least bit compelling, carried on Pay-Per-View.

Sure that’s a single datum from guys past their prime and that hardly constitutes a general rule. Sure, Lebron vs. Howard is about younger guys and Lebron doesn’t give up all that much height to Howard anyhow, but what I took away was that my expectations on how the game was going to be played was so incredibly different from what happened, that I’d hesitate to make strong predictions about any such matchup.

by jae on Jun 9, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I firmly stand by the opinion that when two close to equally talented people play 1 on 1, the taller person has the upper hand (assuming the height difference is enough to be a factor).

by Missing Barry on Jun 9, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd carry that further

Assuming two equally talented people play 1 on 1, the taller person (even if ever so slight) wins every time.

Even a more than slightly more talented shorter player will lose to a slightly less talented but significantly taller player.

Fewer rebounds means fewer possessions. When you’re shorter more of your shots will pull you farther away from the basket, giving the person with inside position even more of an advantage at rebounding AND making your shots harder to sink. On the flip side, the taller person will be taking more shots from in close from positions where its easier to get offensive rebounds (and they’re still taller than the shorter person, giving them even more of an advantage), plus, your initial shots are much easier and your rebound shots are much, much easier (and you’re being guarded by a much shorter person who has trouble challenging your shot to begin with).

Even 2-3 inches is enough to make talent a moot point… unless it’s like me and Mugsy… that’s too much of a talent gap for my extra 5 inches to mean anything.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird

A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 9, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

ya and

crawford can probably beat most people 1v1….what does that prove?

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 8, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

all im trying say is Jennings is better

The Bay is the place to be!!

by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 8, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

based on?

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 8, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Overall

Holiday is a better defensive player and has the size ability. But Jennings can be a team leader and he gets his teammates more involved in the game

The Bay is the place to be!!

by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh well then I’m sold

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 8, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently we here at GSoM aren’t the only ones “underrating” him.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 8, 2009 12:39 AM PDT reply actions  

maybe...

I’m a skeptic, but I just don’t trust a survey of GM’s at this time in the year. If I were a GM, I would be trying to downplay any interest in the players that I actually had interest in. I just get the feeling that GM’s around the league are playing mind games with each other.

by Sharunas Marchulenis on Jun 8, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

there’s probably something to that (there’s no way most gms think he’s worse than jeff teague), but i also don’t think there are many gms who think he’s the 2nd best point guard and ranked him as the 12th. a smokescreen would really only be believable if you were downgrading him a spot or two on your board. my guess is that most gms see him somewhere around the 4th or 5th pg in the draft.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

smokescreen

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 8, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions  

if he went to college and got his stats, he would go top 5

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 8, 2009 12:52 AM PDT reply actions  

his stats were really bad. it’s not entirely his fault; he was adjusting to a new culture and a new playstyle, but gms aren’t drooling over his statline in europe. if he got those stats in college, he’d likely slip out of the first round.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

In college he also would have been starting with a much longer leash and playing lesser competition most nights, so he would have put up much, much better stats.

by Missing Barry on Jun 8, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

definitely, which is why the his stats in europe would certainly not push him into the top 5 if he put those numbers up in college.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well then…yes I agree.

by Missing Barry on Jun 8, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

i obviously didn’t mean his statline in europe. I was saying that if he went to college he would have great stats and have higher stock

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 8, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

then say that.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he went to college and got his stats, he would go top 5

If had said “If he went to college and got the same stats he got in Europe” then you’d have a point. However, he said “and got his stats,” which is totally different.

Do I see how you interpreted it incorrectly? Yeah. Could gsw1 have written it more clearly? Yeah. I still think you could have used simple reasoning to understand the point of his comment.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird

A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 9, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

“his stats” were “the same stats he got in europe”. what other stats did he have? his high school stats?

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 9, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

You've never heard somebody say

“Maggette only plays for his stats” meaning he plays to make his statistics look good?

“I’m gonna go to college and get my stats. I’m gonna put up 20/10, you just watch.”

Meh, this is what he meant, I understand how you misunderstood what he was trying to convey…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
Marco Belinelli : Larry Bird

A) R Dizzle : AB1
B) AB1 : R Dizzle
C) OM : Sleepy
D) Sleepy : OM
E) None of the above

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 9, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, it’s an acceptable use of the term “his stats” that didn’t come through clearly in that context. i’m just saying that clarity is important when you are using a sense of a term that isn’t the obvious one and i don’t have tone of voice to go off of.

oh well, it’s really unimportant in pretty much every sense of the term “really unimportant”.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 9, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he had gotten himself INTO school I bet GMs would be at least a little higher on the kid. I guess he didn’t have any interest in going to Memphis, I hear John Calipari has some mad SAT tutoring skills.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 8, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

there needs to be an ad for “coach cal’s SAT tutoring school”. the testimonials would be amazing. “i was destined to bomb the SATs, but after spending a little time on the basketball court with coach cal, my scores improved dramatically. thanks coach!”

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 8, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually

after reading about what happened it looks like Jennings actually did spend a little time with a coach Cal type tutor, his 2nd SAT score was red flagged because it was such a significant jump from his first score. Jennings claims “he didn’t try on the first one.” Totally believable, because it seems like “not trying the first time” is becoming fairly common among standout athletes.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 8, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just for you...

Brandon Jennings Roma Season Mix!!

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Jun 8, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

reminds me of

a nick van exel with better court vision and more athletic

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 8, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

If he could shoot free throws from the three point line and wear knee high socks like Van Exel, I am all for Jennings!

by insanenthemembrane on Jun 8, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

too small

we won’t be able to guard any other team’s back court, unless we’re playing dallas and they start kidd and barrea…

monta barely plays D, how well does jennings play D?

by Young Moolah on Jun 8, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

good athlete

but to small, doesn’t play defense, i think we should give monta another chance at the point and draft DeRozan who will probably the best all around player available when we draft because unless we trade down which is unlikely i just dont see a pg worthy of drafting that high.

by bizz 192 on Jun 8, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I think we should stop the talk about Jennings for now – it’s been discussed over and over in different posts – and unlike every other prospect, we haven’t learned a single new thing about him. Until some teams have a chance to work him out and interview him and such (and we read about the feedback), there’s really not anything new to discuss. The GM’s haven’t even had a chance to watch him workout, or talk with him, or anything, so their opinion doesn’t mean a whole lot at the moment.

By the way, Oak Hill is probably the best HS basketball program in the country, but his year they definitely weren’t the best team. Other than Jennings it was a bunch of underclassmen who still had a long way to go. It was close to a one man show (and they lost some games because of it).

@Dubs fan in Boston – I think most people view Jennings as a better athlete than most of the lottery picks that are realistic for the Warriors, which is why he’s deeemed to have more potential than them (even with the fact that he’s short and skinny). I’m sure you could argue against that, especially since nobody has had the chance to see Jennings go up against his draft peers recently, but as it stands now that’s my impression of how most people view it, and why they talk about his ridiculous upside/potential.

by Missing Barry on Jun 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The Kings will pick him...

any reasonable pick will be Curry or Demar

We Believe

by RunNdGun on Jun 8, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

yea I’d be happy with either one of those guys.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 8, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn!!

Brandon Jennings looks like a superstar in the Jordan Classic video. This is what the Warriors need, someone who can create shots for our big men (Biedrens, Randolph, Turiaf, Wright) And he looks very explosive when he goes towards the basket, thats always a good thing when your point gaurd wants to go to the rim.

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 8, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Hot Sauce 2.0

Maybe he’s the truth but, maybe he couldn’t do much in the euro league therefore won’t do spit in the nba.

Didn’t Bellineli kill it in the euro legue and now he’s benching it in the nba for the last 2 years? Listen maybe Jennings is the answer but not in 2010 and maybe he’s just hype. Either way I don’t know why so many people are selling their own dik on him. I mean, he didn’t do poop in europe and everyone is talking like he’s the warriors savor. It’s this odd? Are we just kids watching you tube? mix tapes? Is e40 on them? talk some real reason and i’ll listen.

by Balance on Jun 8, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s based completely on his athleticism/potential. He has mad handles, good vision and passing skills even though in the past he’s looked to shoot too much or make a flashy play instead of a fundamentally sound one, and is lightning quick. The people who want him are seeing visions of the next Rondo/Parker type athlete who can get anywhere on the floor they want at will. Not saying that’s what he’ll be, but that’s what the hype is about.

by Missing Barry on Jun 8, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dont dog Marco

Neither Nellie nor Jack like him. Send him to Toronto and he’d eat up minutes…

by b.radley on Jun 8, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard he’s working out for us thursday but im not sure if thats true

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 8, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=brandonjennings-090609

For those with insider, we have something new about Jennings to discuss! After reading the article, I have to say, I’m firmly back in the WE MUST HAVE JENNINGS camp.

by Missing Barry on Jun 9, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

copy and paste plz

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 9, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

“TREVISO, Italy — Two weeks ago, Brandon Jennings’ grand European experiment ended with a whimper and then, a demand.

His team, Lottomotica Roma, had just been upset in the quarterfinals of the Italian League playoffs. Jennings, who many NBA scouts predict will be a lottery pick in this month’s NBA draft, hadn’t played a minute in the entire playoff series.

Frustrated, and a little bit angry, Jennings had had enough. Before his team had even left the court he was on the phone with his agent.

“Get me out of here.”

Within 48 hours Jennings was on a plane back home to Los Angeles. His one-year European adventure was over.

Last Friday, a number of top NBA GMs headed in the opposite direction, to Italy, to watch Jennings play in the 2009 Reebok Eurocamp.

Their flights were booked weeks in advance on the promise that Jennings would attend. The buzz about seeing Jennings unleashed drew an unusually high amount of GMs to the event. But by the time they arrived on Friday, they already knew the bad news. While the Eurocamp had a number of interesting international prospects, the main attraction wasn’t coming.

“We all came to see whether this kid can really play,” one veteran GM told ESPN.com. “I’d heard the hype, watched the video and heard various opinions from my scouts. I wanted to see how he stacked up against other top kids his age. Then he doesn’t show. He sure isn’t making this easy on us. You want to like the kid, but he ain’t giving you a lot to go on.”

Other GMs around the league have expressed similar opinions all week. A few didn’t even make the trip to Italy after they got word he backed out. The ones who are there are asking the same question: Is Jennings worthy of the hype?

The answer to that question varies widely here at the camp. I spent the weekend talking to dozens of people in Italy. Some were Italian coaches. Others were rival Italian GMs. I talked to veteran NBA international scouts, coaches and executives who have followed him closely this year.

Their descriptions of Jennings — the player and the man — were all virtually identical. To a man, nearly every person I spoke with described the same strengths and weaknesses. But when it comes to making conclusions about his future in the NBA, there is no consensus.

Jennings remains the biggest enigma in this year’s draft.

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    Jennings shocked the college basketball world last year when he decided to skip his freshman season at Arizona and leave the NCAA behind for a professional contract in Rome. Some say he was motivated by low SAT scores. Others by money. A few whispered that Jennings was being controlled by basketball mogul Sonny Vaccaro — a man on a mission to buck the NCAA and all of its eligibility rules.

Jennings has been equally vilified and revered in America for his groundbreaking move. The college basketball powers that be mocked the decision. Why would the NBA take seriously anyone who skipped the chance to play at a blue-chip school in one of the best conferences in the nation?

But for those who have been looking for alternative routes to the NBA outside of the indentured servitude that is big-time college basketball — Jennings was a trailblazer. If Jennings could do it, they argued, maybe the NCAA, now faced with real competition for the top high school prospects — would loosen its draconian amateur rules. Maybe it would even think about paying its star athletes.

Despite the hopes and fears on both sides, Jennings’ one-year stint in Rome wasn’t everything either side had hoped for. Much to the chagrin of the anti-Jennings, pro-college contingent, virtually every NBA scout and GM who saw him play reported that he matured, both as a player and a person, in Italy. He got more practice time than he would ever have received in college. He was schooled in the fundamentals by one of the best developmental coaches in Europe, Serbia’s Nenad Trajkovic. Most importantly, he learned how to play like a man and act like a pro on and off the court.

However, the experience itself was a mixed bag. For the pro-Jennings, anti-college crowd, Jennings’ experience in Europe reads as a cautionary tale. He never got consistent minutes. He struggled with his shot and confidence. Team politics were a major factor in whether he was playing or not. And, as Jennings told The New York Times in January, being a 19-year-old pro in Europe wasn’t everything he thought it would be.

“I’ve gotten paid one time this year,” Jennings told the Times. “They treat me like a little kid. They don’t see me as a man. If you get on a good team, you don’t play a lot. Some nights you play a lot. Some nights you don’t play at all. That’s just the way it is.”

The “way it is” posed a number of problems for NBA teams trying to scout Jennings this season. Scouting a teenager in the Italian League is a little different from scouting him in the Pac-10.

Show up at one game, like the Euroleague contest against Tau Ceramica earlier this year, and you might see Jennings shine. Show up in March, and he might barely get onto the floor against weak competition.

Drop in on a practice in December, and you’d see Jennings getting picked apart by the coaching staff and veteran European and American players. See him in March, and watch him dominate those same teammates.

See Jennings make a spectacular pass worthy of the “SportsCenter” highlight reel one minute. Watch him take a bad shot and make an even uglier turnover a few minutes later.

Jennings was, to put it mildly, all over the place this season and many of the opinions from the people I spoke with varied based on when, and where, they had seen him.

A number of Italian coaches and GMs weren’t big fans. They felt his game was too American. They said he struggled to rein in his instincts to start playing one-on-one when a teammate missed a shot or two. They lauded his athleticism and acknowledged his abilities to do things on the floor few Europeans could ever dream of. But when pressed, they saw an athlete, not a basketball player.

“Jennings’ game is all about his athleticism,” one prominent European GM told me. “Like many of the Americans we see come to Europe, he just doesn’t have a great feel for the game. No one ever taught him how or when to pass. Speed and athleticism are fine. But I want a point guard who puts the team above their own individual game. I don’t blame the young man for this. He is just the product of a corrupt development system that is ruining American basketball.”

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Brandon Jennings made 45.7 percent of his field goals in Euroleague play.
To say that many of the Italian opinions I heard on Jennings also conformed to stereotypes that many European scouts and coaches have about virtually all American players, white or black, is regrettable, but true. Much of the world doesn’t hold American hoops in the same high regard as it did a decade ago. A few dysfunctional Team USA performances and some young international prospects who were ruined when they went to the NBA play a large part in how the world sees the American game.
But their opinions were also backed up by a number of veteran NBA scouts who questioned whether Jennings was the second coming of Allen Iverson, not Chris Paul.

“I see a lot more of Iverson to Jennings’ game than I do CP3’s,” one veteran American scout who has watched Jennings play in both America and Italy said. “Iverson can dish out assists too, but he controls the tempo of a game with his own game, not by making others better. I see a lot of that in Jennings. He makes the pass if he can make a spectacular one. If he can’t, he shoots the shot. Either way his mentality is what makes him look the best, not necessarily the team.”

I’ve seen some of what those experts describe in the 10 or so games I’ve watched of Jennings this season via video. More scouts say they see more evidence of the flashy, selfish Jennings in the practices than in the games. However, I’ve also seen Jennings make the right decisions for his team when it matters. He may have more work to do in that area, but so do Rajon Rondo and Derrick Rose.

“He’s a smart kid,” said one NBA coach who saw him later in the season. “You look at him in high school and now and it’s clear to me he’s started to pick up the rhythm of the European game. He’s never going to be a European-type of player. But neither is Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant. No matter how many Europeans you talk to, he’s never going to measure up that way. But he’s trying and is showing he can be effective in the half-court game. Watch a practice and you see what he can do when that game starts going up and down. I think it’s really important that a player learns to play both ways. Jennings has learned that this year.”

Several veteran NBA scouts, who have been scouting both college ball and the international game for years, rolled their eyes at the criticism Jennings was getting.

One scout, who claimed to have watched Jennings in person during “at least a dozen games” and “tons of practices” (the most of any person I spoke with), was particularly adamant. He felt strongly that Jennings was one of the two or three best prospects in the draft.

“I ask two questions about every prospect. First, do they have the talent to play in the NBA? Second, have they gotten better? I think Jennings gets two huge check marks on both accounts.

“First, Jennings is a crazy athlete. He’s as quick as anyone in the draft. No one is going to be able to stay in front of him. He explodes around the basket and he’s a clever passer when he wants to be. We saw all of that in high school and if you watched him enough in Europe, you saw it there too. Yeah, he needs to get stronger and work on some stuff. But the raw talent is totally there.”

OK, that’s talent. Now here’s the thing. What did he need to work on?

“Defense. He’s become a much better and more committed defender this year. Everyone who has watched him play would acknowledge that.

“Basketball IQ. The European game is a thinking game. He’s had to learn all sorts of things that most college kids aren’t confronted with. There’s no way you can argue his IQ hasn’t increased.

“Understanding the team concept. That’s what Europe is all about and Jennings has made great strides there. He’s not perfect, but he’s much better than when he came.

“Shooting. You can’t just look at his shooting numbers for the year. His shot is getting better. I don’t think it’s broken and he’s been taking a lot of shots.

“Maturity. Many four-year college players come overseas and can’t handle the dramatic change in lifestyle. They are home before Christmas. This kid stuck it out. He left his friends and his life behind. Things didn’t go his way with the team he chose. He wasn’t pampered. He felt disrespected. He didn’t complain. He showed up every day and worked his tail off. He kept getting better. What else do you want?

“In every area he’s gotten better. You can’t say the same thing about Jrue Holiday or Jonny Flynn or whoever you want to put up there. This kid’s learning curve has been dramatic. The numbers are just a part of the story.”

That opinion was more typically shared by scouts who had seen Jennings a lot, less so by GMs who may have seen him play only once or twice.

“I’m not sure how you take a kid without a real body of work that high,” one NBA GM in Treviso said. “I know this is a weak draft, but are we really taking kids who have struggled to produce in college or Europe in the lottery? I’m all for upside, but it’s ridiculous. If Jennings can’t get on the floor in Italy, how does he help my team in the next couple of years? How do you take him over some really talented college kids who have proven they can play? Jonny Flynn, Ty Lawson, Steph Curry. Those guys are talented too and they have track records.”

As the opinions continued to pour in over the weekend — some pro, some con — I caught a break Sunday night when word came to me that Jennings’ development coach for the past year, Nenad Trajkovic, was in the gym scouting prospects.

Trajkovic is sort of a legend in Europe when it comes to developing young players. He spent years in Serbia preparing guys all the way back to the Vlade Divac years. He’s been hired by teams around the world to work with some of the top young talent in the world. He was hired by Jennings’ team midseason as a lead assistant and spent every day with Jennings working on his game.

Jennings would practice up to four hours a day, sometimes longer with Trajkovic. A few hours were spent each day learning the offensive and defensive schemes. The rest was focused on fundamental development — ballhandling, shooting, basketball philosophy.

No one, I would submit, knows Jennings better.

“For sure, Brandon matured as a person and a player this year,” Trajkovic said. "From the beginning I was concerned when I saw tape of him in the U.S. and watched him in Italy. He was a special athlete. But he didn’t know how to play the game. He liked to play one-on-one or one-on-five, not five-on-five. He dribbled too much. He took bad shots. He made incorrect reads.

“The coach didn’t trust him. This team was a veteran team. Winning was important and Brandon didn’t know how to help his team win. We worked every day on his decision-making. We worked on the pick-and-roll. We taught him defense. The plan was to bring him along slowly and then, by the middle [of the season] he could be more trusted.”

Trajkovic said that Jennings was a hard worker. He said Jennings was a quick study and that the improvement he made in the first few months was dramatic, albeit mostly in practice. However, disaster struck for Jennings when his head coach was fired and replaced with a veteran coach who felt a lot of pressure to win immediately.

“The coach didn’t want to take the risk with Brandon,” Trajkovic said. “He knew Brandon was improving but he felt more comfortable with veterans. You have to understand. Brandon was leaving, so why risk something for a player who will leave your team anyway?”

Trajkovic said Jennings kept working hard. They often would simulate game conditions in practice and Jennings would dominate, especially later in the season.

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Brandon is so much better than the talent here [pointing to the players in the Eurocamp]. He is far and away in front of them in skills and athletic ability. He needs to be competing against your best.
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— Nenad Trajkovic, Jennings’ development coach in Italy
“He kept his focus. Playing was important. But so was development. Sometimes you can’t control how much you play. But you can keep working and stay positive. Brandon did this.”

As the regular season ended, Jennings came down with a mild case of tendinitis in his knees. The doctors suggested he rest for a game or two. He quickly recovered, but by then, he was totally out of the rotation. His coach didn’t want to mess with the chemistry of the team and Jennings watched, helpless on the sidelines, as his team fell in the quarterfinals to Biella — a team that he had played his best game in the Italian league against just a few months earlier. Trajkovic, for one, didn’t blame Jennings for wanting to get out.

“He’s a competitor. He was frustrated. He had worked every single day. There were no days off. He hadn’t been home. He would have to wait more than a week for the camp. I think he felt it was enough. I agree with this. Brandon is so much better than the talent here [Trajkovic pointing to the players in the Eurocamp]. He is far and away in front of them in skills and athletic ability. He needs to be competing against your best.”

Trajkovic wasn’t always glowing in his praise. He said Jennings still had more to learn. He needed to totally buy into the team game. He needed to keep taking jump shots (he said Jennings put up more than 30,000 while he was in Europe) and he would need to get stronger in the NBA. But he cautioned not to read too much into Jennings’ struggles in Europe.

“I promise you. If you brought LeBron James over from high school straight to Europe, we would have messed him up,” Trajkovic said. “We demand different things. It is not enough to do something. You must do it correctly. Everyone who comes, young or old, from America, has to adjust. He was able to do it better than most I have seen. One more year in Europe, and he would be a star. I don’t know if the NBA feels the same way.”

Jennings should find out soon. His agent, Bill Duffy, said Jennings will begin team workouts this week. He’s targeting four teams at the moment: the Kings (No. 4), Wizards (No. 5), Wolves (No. 6), Warriors (No. 7) and Knicks (No. 8). If Jennings doesn’t get the positive feedback he’s looking for, he’ll backfill with a few more later lottery teams like the Bucks, Pacers and Suns.

If just one GM in the top 10 falls in love, Jennings will look like a genius. He skipped the college basketball factory, earned millions of dollars and still found his way into the lottery. If he falls, he may close the door to other prospects searching to do the same thing.

That’s a lot of pressure and responsibility for a 19-year-old. But if Jennings handles things as well as he did in Europe, he may be more prophet than fool."

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 9, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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