Don't ask me why, But I feel pretty gooood about this off season.
Man, these days there are so many variables, questions, valid gripes and reasons to just flat out sulk with the Warriors org. First off though, I want to give props to all of us who continue to stubbornly support, and waste our precious time on this blog site, for no hourly pay, no immediate reward, just for the love of talkin' hoops, and our Warriors, and all the possibilities out there.
I'm done with the Negative, I can't think like that right now. Rowell, Nellie, and the other tools are not some of my favorite peeps at the moment, but I still can't help but get the vibe that EVEN THEY feel the heat (with Potentially their butts on the line) to make some noise to get this team back to relevance. I have a feeling in my gut I haven't had since right before we traded claxton and Dale Davis to bring in the Beard. I have that same feeling now, I hope I won't be eating my words this fall but if so, eh, such is life as a warrior fan.
I got a good feeling though, a couple of possibilities i'd like to see go down.
I'm a huge PG over another wing or power forward guy this offseason, be it via draft or trades. A PG on our team (IMO) is our best bet to get back on it. I've heard the argument over and over that the warriors don't really need a pg in the traditional sense due to our style of play, and I don't buy it. I've seen our stagnant offense hoist ill advised bricks many a time last season, we desperatly need a creator/penetrator to run the show.
larry Riley, get one. Monta is not the man for the PG job, sorry, but pair him with a stud and watch him get even better.
In addition, I do have faith that AR can add a bit bulk and I can see him and Beans being very effective, plus lets not forget we have Ronny coming off the bench to swat balls and just bring it every night.
We have alot of pieces though, so if a trade does go down, I just hope it's not a bonehead regression trade that will move us further into the trenches of the league, but for some reason, I don't get that feeling. I got a good feeling people, and hopefully this will turn out to be more than just one warrior fan's hopefull pipe dream, but you gotta think big.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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I agree
and hopefully it starts off right with the draft then move up in getting those much needed Vets.
by Adobo Ranger on Jun 9, 2009 9:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
as long as
we don’t trade monta, AR, or morrow and we have a healthy offseason I will be optimistic about next year.
by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 9, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No ....
as long as we don’t trade monta, AR, or morrow and we have a healthy offseason I will be optimistic about next year.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jun 9, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
with a really good pg
anything is possible, look at Chris Paul with the Hornets, take out Chris Paul and replace him with Crawford and the Hornets are a 25 win team. Now obviously im not expecting us to get a chris paul from this years draft or any time with in the next 10 years, but just a pg that can run the show and make the players around him better.
by bizz 192 on Jun 9, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
with a really good SG
anything is possible. Look at Kobe Bryant with the Lakers, take out Kobe Bryant and replace him with Crawford and the Lakers are a 25 win team.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
with a really good sf
anything is possible, look at LeBron James with the Cavaliers, take out LeBron James and replace him with Stephen Jackson and the Cavs are a 25 win team.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Take Lebron off the Cavs
and their close to being like a d-league team.
We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 11, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a really good pf
anything is possible, look at Tim Duncan with the Spurs, take out Tim Duncan and replace him with Corey Maggette and the Spurs are a 25 win team.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha maggette is not a pf
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jun 9, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was for us about half the time last year
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why we suck. This is why, this is why, this is why we suck.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a really good C
anything is possible, look at Dwight Howard with the Magic, take Dwight Howard out and replace him with Ronny Turiaf and the Magic are a 25 win team.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i enjoyed that set of comments very much.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 9, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mark the first time anyone's had 4 green comments in a single thread?
I don’t know, but I loved those comments.
Although, to be fair:
Kobe→ JC = 30 wins (Pau, Odom, Bynum are still pretty solid down low)
James → Jax = 20 wins (and that’s even stretching it)
Duncan → Maggette = 20 wins
Howard → Turiaf = 30 (Don’t discount the Polish Hammer!)
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 10, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
biggups Bizz 192
In reality, we may not get that Chris Paul PG, were talking about a head strong upgrade at PG who can upgrade us and make players better.
Aaron Brooks did just that for the Rockets, he’s no star, but boy did his thing.
by meximocha on Jun 9, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have virtually
no expiring contracts.
We have no bulk in the frontcourt.
Maggette on the books for 4 more years.
Jackson on the books for 4 more years where as he should’ve been an expiring this year.
We traded Harrington’s potentially expiring deal for Crawfords 2 years $20 million.
We have an alienated Monta Ellis on the team.
We still have Don Nelson coaching.
We still have Rowell in the front office.
We still have Cohan owning the team.
We have Riley, who led the Bucks and Grizzlies franchises to uhh…nowhere.
We have the #7 draft pick in virtually what has been heralded as the “weakest draft class in 25 years.”
Uhh yea. How do we feel good about this offseason?
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 9, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I thought we gave Jack a 2 year extension, not a 3?
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I've seen our stagnant offense hoist ill advised bricks many a time last season, we desperatly need a creator/penetrator to run the show."
That’s funny that you say that after mentioning Baron Davis. If I remember correctly BD and Jack were the brick bros. Baron is just like Jack he had tons of moments where he would take some of the most wack shots. BD was also as much of a ball hog as Monta, he looked to score as much as Monta does, he’s just not as good at it. Plus, wasn’t Baron still at UCLA when he was the age Monta is now?
I dont get why people keep saying that Monta cant be a point guard? He hasn’t tried to be one but maybe 10 games in his whole career and one of them was a 39 8 9 game against CP3. That seems legit. Monta is our best player, and I agree with Nellie that for him to reach his full potential, he must be a pg.
It should actually be an easy transition for Monta, considering that almost every single one of his teammates is an offensive threat. Didn’t Ronny have a game where he got like 11 assisits last year? I think BD’s best season with the Dubs he averaged 20 and 7.5, I can honestly see Monta putting up those numbers, only with a higher ppg mark.
by myk on Jun 9, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
YES YES YES
bravo…well put!
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by LostHawk on Jun 9, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get why people keep saying that Monta cant be a point guard? He hasn’t tried to be one but maybe 10 games in his whole career
Yea I’m pretty skeptical, but I’m more than willing to let them give it a shot. Devin Harris proved me wrong, why not Monta too?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know we're Warrior fans, but I think most of us believe
Monta>Harris
So yeah, if Devin can do it, Monta can too.
by myk on Jun 9, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a PG? I don’t believe that yet. I think he definitely could be.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Monta can definitely become an effective score first pg. However, he’s got to still be cognizant of finding open teammates when attacking. It’s a mentality thing as well as an awareness thing. One thing that he does often that’s very indicative of his lack of this mentality and awareness is when he attacks and gets in the air while heavily defended and at that point tries to find a teammate as a bailout.
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jun 10, 2009 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First
I second what Sam write.
Second, Monta will never be the defender that Devin Harris is. He is and will continue to be a better scorer, he may approach Harris’ “distributor abilities” (whatever that means), but he will never be the defender that Harris is. I think Monta for Harris is a even talent exchange, but a win for us because of Harris’ significantly smaller contract (7.8M last year vs. 11M last year).
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 10, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know.
I think Monta’s D will be very improved this year, its just a gut feeling, I hope i’m right.
by myk on Jun 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t forget, Devin Harris is also a much better ball handler than Monta is & ball handling is one of those things that doesn’t seem to improve much once you’re in your teens.
Harris is also a better distributor than Monta. He’s always at least been 2 to 1 in terms of Assist to TO ratio while Monta has never had that distinction. while there are exceptions, most players tend to be pretty stable in regards to this statistic. will Monta averaging 6 assts lead to him also averaging 4 TOs a game as it did with Jackson? history says probably, but we can all hope Monta defies the norm.
plus like Maggette & Cassell before him, Harris has also learned the magical art of fooling refs.
Monta>Harris is true in terms of physical gifts. but as guys like Nash or Billups (& on the flip side Darius Miles or Gerald Green) have shown, basketball is about so much more than physical gifts.
by the evil monkey on Jun 11, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real brick bros:

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 10, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I dont get why people keep saying that Monta cant be a point guard?
Lack of intelligence? Scorers mentality ?? Points are born not taught. people with handles have them before their 4th year of pro ball???
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
valid points, but very Kawakami esq outlook.
We have no bulk in the frontcourt.- Neither does Portland, (Aldridge not so much, Odom hasn’t exactly proven his #1 worth yet) Sac, dallas, and soon Utah may lose boozer.
We have AR, Biedrins, Turiaf, and Wright, we may not have beef, but we have lenght and athleticism, that’s not too shaaby going into the future.
Maggette on the books for 4 more years.- So bring him off the bench until we move his contract, or just make him a perm 6th man.
Jackson on the books for 4 more years where as he should’ve been an expiring this year.-
Agreed but Oh well, what are you gonna do? At least Jax gives a damn and plays hard, can help out in assists when he has a bad shooting night, and Jax does have bad shooting nights, but I’m not a Jax hater.
We traded Harrington’s potentially expiring deal for Crawfords 2 years $20 million.-Yeah we did, but keep beating that horse down though.
We have an alienated Monta Ellis on the team
.- And many fans feel he did the franchise dirty with his scooter shenanigans, but overall the fans haven’t alienated him in return, and I think Monta will elevate his scoring again next year, alienated or not.
We still have Don Nelson coaching. – for sho, Nellie’s an old stubborn fart who doesnt play rooks much but if were healthy, and with an upgrade at PG he will maximize our team’s athleticism and our running game.
We still have Rowell in the front office.-When your right your right. Can’t argue there.
We still have Cohan owning the team.- ’’ "
We have Riley, who led the Bucks and Grizzlies franchises to uhh…nowhere.
We have the #7 draft pick in virtually what has been heralded as the "weakest draft class in 25 years." -
And I got something you obviously do not, it’s called faith kid. But go ahead and stew on all of the bad points.
And while baron and jax may have been the brick bros, the brick bros took us to the playoffs and 40+ wins, maybe because a 80% baron davis is still better than a 100% Cj watson at running a team. And baron was horrible for the clips last season.
Monta at point? yah, he just runs it up the court and dishes it off asap, then runs around screens looking to get it back again to shoot it first then pass it later. He will do that 8-10 times. That’s great if he’s just our shooting guard.
by meximocha on Jun 9, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah, he's our PG.
Him and Jack will dominate the ball most of the time and have free reign to do as they please. But they know and understand, as does Nellie, that there are 3 other guys on the court who can score, and they should be looking to get them open looks as much as possible. Nellie draws plays for others, Monta seems to be the sort of player who can be reasoned with. Plus, Monta is going to attract a lot of double teams so he’ll have to give the ball up.
I’m pretty sure he has been hearing for almost 2 years that he has to be a PG, that has more than likely sunk in and I’m sure he has been working on it. Being that he is the most talented Warrior I’ve seen in a long time and he’s shown vast improvements between each season(when healthy), I would be suprised if Monta didn’t develop into a legit NBA PG with above average skills. The dude’s only 23!
by myk on Jun 9, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Being that he is the most talented Warrior I’ve seen in a long time and he’s shown vast improvements between each season”
I think this would be an appropriate time to remember Jason Richardson, and how good he was when he was 24-25. People around these parts seem to be down on him because he regressed as a player after his injury, but at one point JRich was a very good player.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I still rock my J-Rich Jersey!!
But Monta is better. J-Rich in his prime may be as good as Monta is now, and he isn’t in his prime.
by myk on Jun 10, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta’s definitely better now. But JRich the year before getting hurt put up 23.2 points, 5.8 rebounds, 3.1 assists and 2.2 turnovers (all per 36 minutes). Monta in his best year so far put up 19.2 points, 4.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 2.0 turnovers (all per 36 minutes). Monta had a higher TS%, at 58.0 compared to 53.8 for JRich. Actually very comparable players overall. It just seems to me that people sometimes forget JRich was once as good as he was just because he was never the same after getting hurt.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kawakami outlook?
Perhaps. Or maybe it’s just the lure of being a warriors fan.
15 seasons.
1 playoff appearance.
4 players from the playoff team.
Keep the faith. Same shi**y Warriors organization.
Not about playoffs, not about winning a championship, not about being competitive.
It’s about renewals, it’s about tickets, it’s about entertainment value, it’s about the product.
And the product. It’s a shi**y one.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 10, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland has the best center tandem in the NBA
That is front court depth.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 10, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Howard+Gortat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oden+Przy
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 11, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok fine
second best. that is still front court depth. much more so than the warriors
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 11, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Gasol/Bynum count?
Or do both Gasol and Odom count as PFs?
Big Z and Andy V? Birdman & Nene? McDyess and Wallace? Tim Duncan and Kurt Thomas (both listed as centers in ESPN stats, despite TD being a “PF” in the all star game)?
Oden and Przy are good, but Oden is not living up to the hype, and there are plenty of other good players in the NBA. Let’s just call them “one of the top center tandems in the league”
Even Biedrins/Turiaf isn’t that big a step down from Oden/Przy…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 11, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrens/Turiaf are at least 10th best center tandem in the league.
We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 11, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
But the difference between #10 and #20 is negligible…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 11, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically LaMarcus is listed as a center too.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 11, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where?
ESPN lists him as a PF in their statistics. NBA.com lists him as a forward. I’m calling shenanigans.
If you’re including LMA, we can include the following teams in the “have better centers than Portland”: Phoenix, Dallas, New Orleans, Houston, Philly… ok, I’m gonna stop. You guys don’t have the greatest big men since sliced bread. They’re good, but not superduper great. If Oden can stay healthy and live up to the hype, you guys will win 5 championships. Roy is special, but you need some improvement from the rest of the cast… or you need to do something with the cap space that just opened up.
Good luck next year (except against the Warriors).
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 11, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the same feeling every year
Yes we are all fools and there is no reason no matter how great that will stop us from thinking that Maybe just maybe this is the year it all changes. And you know what? I love it like a bad addiction. I know it’s pathetic and wrong but that is who we are. Warrrior fans and I love it. If we win 25 games this year….next year i’ll have the same feeling. I think we are all mentally ill.
by Balance on Jun 9, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
After thinking about...
Once we get a new coach, a new front office, or a new owner…then it will change…but till then… WE ARE EFF’D!
by Adobo Ranger on Jun 9, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone feel like Monta is angry/a cancer/alienated.
I mean the guy said some stuff because he was frustrated. When people get frustrated they tend to make angry comments. I’m NOT down with trading Monta under any circumstances unless it involves us getting Lebron.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 9, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re turning down a Monta+Crawford for Dwight Howard deal then? ; ) Or a swap for Chris Paul?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 9, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the deal
What happens to a players trade value when they demand a trade. It takes a hit. Monta has already taken a hit for the moped incident. The Warriors have to stay one step ahead(which is really hard for the Warriors), They have to keep a close eye on Monta. This franchise can’t afford to get ripped again on another good player. The Pain of losing Webber, Sprewell and Arenas lingers. It is the opinion of some, including myself, that the Warriors should maximize their return on Monta before it’s too late. Strictly business. He has set off multiple red flags in the last year. It’s not that hard to understand.
by CHAWKZILLA on Jun 9, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“the Warriors should maximize their return on Monta before it’s too late”
Monta’s trade value at the moment is at an all-time low. To maximize our return, we need to embrace him and trade him after a good season (under the assumption we want to trade him).
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has set off multiple red flags in the last year. It’s not that hard to understand.
Haha, Montay is the housing market in 06 , the internet bubble in 00 , the crude oil market in 07??
and you wanna sell :>) ? works for me.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Faulty analogy
The crash has already happened: double-whammy of a pricy new extension and a season in which he regressed (albeit mostly due to injury). To trade him now for something less than a stud would be foolish. And a stud-for-Monta isn’t walking through that door. Much better chance Monta gets his act together and becomes the stud.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 12, 2009 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? Not trading Monta under any circumstances?
Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose > Monta
First off, the truth is guards are dime a dozen in this league. Instead of having to find a big PG to supplement Monta in the backcourt, don’t you think it’d be easier to trade him in a package for a star a-la Bosh and be able to find another guard who isn’t undersized out there?
Let’s see…just throwing it out there for the umpeenth time but if you could trade:
Monta Ellis, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli for Chris Bosh and have
Team A
PG: Johnny Flynn
SG: Stephen Jackson
SF: Anthony Randolph
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Andris Biedrins
Trade Andris, Wright, Belinelli
or Team B
PG: Tyreke Evans
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Stephen Jackson
PF: Anthony Randolph
C: Chris Bosh
I’ll pass on the prospect of trying to have Bosh masquerade as a center and pass on getting beaten up downlow for Team B. I’ll take Team A 6 times out of 7. Don’t get me wrong, I like Monta a lot as a player, but I’m not going to hold my breath in the hopes he develops as a PG, because he most likely won’t. It just doesn’t happen very often in the NBA.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As to why he's angry/cancer/alienated...
He’s a kid. Just a kid. Still. It’s easily understandable as to why he would be. But his attitude, his body language, all of that goes to show why and how he’s still a kid.
Just looking back at his draft profile…he’s definitely grown as a player…but as a person? How much different is he know than what’s explained below?
He appears to be the closest thing we’ve seen to Dajuan Wagner since Wagner himself. He loves to dribble and dribble and dribble and then dribble some more. AAU ball has basically left him no grasp or comprehension of team basketball or fundamentals, and he probably wouldn’t understand what’s wrong with that if you tried to explain it to him.
His biggest problem for the short and possibly long term is that he has no NBA position. He’s a 6-3 SG with absolutely no PG skills whatsoever. That will limit his potential to contribute minutes initially unless he ends up on a horrible team. In the long term, though, he might not have the instincts or mentality to even become sufficient in this area. When he does try, his passing skills are average to below average. He forces the issue constantly, freezing out his teammates and showing absolutely no interest in getting anyone else involved. Although he is very young, his basketball IQ appears to be limited at this point, running into brick walls time after time while his teammates wave their hands and shake their heads in disgust. He does not appear to be interested in making an assist unless it’s of the Sportscenter top 10 variety. He will often bring the ball up the court and immediately jack up a shot, before even looking in the direction of his teammates. The concept of running set plays is completely foreign to him, not being capable of doing anything in a half-court offense at this point except create his own shot off the dribble or drive and dish after drawing a crowd. He looks disinterested in what’s happening around him unless the ball is in his hands, as his off the ball movement is extremely poor.
The release point on his jump shot is inconsistent because of the lift he gets on his J, and therefore his shot can be a little streaky at times. He shoots it different every time, meaning he’ll sometimes miss very badly. As noted above already, he does not excel on the catch and shoot, but what he gets into a groove during a game he’s absolutely lights out.
Although most scouts I’ve talked to about high school basketball prospects don’t really seem to care about this, his defense is horrendous. Ellis puts absolutely no effort into playing on this side of the ball, and just doesn’t seem to understand the importance of stopping his man. He gambles on steals (he can be very quick to get out in the passing lanes), gets lost on rotations, gives up on plays completely once he gets beat, gets torched on the perimeter in man to man defense and refuses to rotate or play any type of off the ball defense. He did show some glimpses of potential in the all-star games when his back was against the ball and he had to perform well to have any shot at being able to declare for the draft, but nothing when he had the choice. He’s got all the tools to be an excellent defender if he puts his mind to it, but he has to put his mind to it first.
His intangibles are also somewhat questionable. Ellis has consistently shown a poor attitude and immaturity, pouting when things don’t go his way or when the ball isn’t in his hands for more than 5 seconds. He refused to shake anyone’s hand at the end of the McDonalds game, because he was mad at his coach for not giving him more minutes at the PG spot (see links). His body language on the court looks very poor at times, while his quotes in the media make him look like an extremely cocky and arrogant young man. If he’s already so full of himself at this point, when basically no one outside of NBA draft circles and Mississippi State fans knows his name, what’s he going to be like in 5 years?
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the point of looking at his draft profile exactly?
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt you read it at all...so why ask?
If he’s already so full of himself at this point, when basically no one outside of NBA draft circles and Mississippi State fans knows his name, what’s he going to be like in 5 years?
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 10, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So basically your point is you think Monta’s attitude still fits that billing exactly and you don’t see any change in him at all since he was that high school kid they described?
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At some point last season..
after the moped incident…..after the lying…
after the numerous comments he made in the paper. after the tattoos, after the constant whining on the court. After the constant refusal to be in the huddle and be part of the team.
I grew more and more open to the possibility of trading him. And with this “dilemma” we create by wanting to find a “big and prototypical” PG to supplement him in the backcourt, I’ve realized we really need to trade Monta if the right opportunity arises.
That draft profile (and others also written about him) just seem to be prophetic.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 10, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about Monta’s attitude. I see a kid who was supposed to be the face of the organization getting treated like crap by a crappy organization that has a lot more history of terrible behavior than he does, and he was understandably frustrated with the situation. Did he make some mistakes? Yes. Normally when a young person makes mistakes, though, they’re punished, told why they’re being punished and what they need to do to exhibit better behavior, and then everyone moves on and they’re embraced again. My impression is the Warriors have done zero since the incident to embrace Monta and make him feel a welcome part of this organization, and instead have tried their best to run a smear campaign against him to absolve themselves of all blame. Mullin wanted to keep the Warriors and Monta on good terms, and look what happened to him (not that the Monta issue lead to his departure).
As I’ve said in another post (no idea what fanpost it’s in, maybe this one), all the decisions the Warriors have made regarding Monta since the accident have been for the benefit of the owners checkbook, and none of them have been focused on what’s best for the long term basketball team we all want to succeed.
As for trading Monta, if we get equal value in return, I can’t fault someone for wanting to go through with it. Right now it’s extremely unlikely that will happen, and trading Monta simply to trade Monta will be another in a long line of terrible decisions this franchise has made over the last 15+ years. There’s a reason we’ve made the playoffs once since Webber was shipped out of town, because we keep making mistakes in running our organization and nobody up there seems to learn from what a terrible job they’ve done in the past.
by Missing Barry on Jun 11, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I’ve said in another post (no idea what fanpost it’s in, maybe this one), all the decisions the Warriors have made regarding Monta since the accident have been for the benefit of the owners checkbook, and none of them have been focused on what’s best for the long term basketball team we all want to succeed.
I’d even augment that to say "All decisions have been made for the owner’s short term checkbook, and none of them have been made focused on what’s best for the long term basketball team and owner’s checkbook we all want to succeed. Just bad all around.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 11, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors trade rob kurz or lebron james
We USED to Believe...
WE DEMAND IMPROVEMENT!
by RunNdGun on Jun 9, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I’d rather trade Kurz.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 10, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Riley will be active this off-season
he’ll want to set a good first impression, i expect him to pull off something special. Well, I hope so anyway.
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by Xero on Jun 10, 2009 1:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or something stupid, like “Hey, we didn’t get an Elton Brand, but we got a shiny new Corey Maggette for you!”.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
“Hey we got Chris Bosh*!!!!”
- - Please ignore the fact that we had to give up Monta, Randolph, and our #1 for him, then give him a $100M/5 year contract extension, but we got him.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 10, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dratted formatting
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 10, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dratted DFiB with a terribly depressing, but-not-too-hard-to-imagine-actually-happening-trade idea.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 11, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to be

You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 11, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you say you predicted the speedy & dale davis for baron trade
everyone predicts stuff like that in hindsight…
by gogoldenbears on Jun 10, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Bosh..
Randolph will be better than Bosh and he’s going to get bigger. He and Biedrins will dominate the post and Randolph will develop his outside game like Bosh’s, but faster and more explosive. i agree with the point guard move though. i say sign Andre Miller. if he can make the sixers look good he can make the Warriors dangerous. i mean think about a guy who got a decent 76er team to the playoffs and made them look respectable. he’s like Chauncey Billups (both mid 30’s), minus the 3-ball and championship rings. but the defense is there, he’s a great passer, good mid-range jumper, he likes to run and push the ball which fits great for the warriors style, and you couldnt ask for a better veteran point guard to mentor monta into a true point guard. Baron was an amazing scoring point guard, so Monta became that from being around him. being around a true point guard will open up the passing game and playmaking ability for other teammates. And if Monta eventually does want out, i’d like to think the Warriors have a pretty good squad ready to go and using him as trade-bait could make them a lot better without him. Monta is an amazing player that any team in the league would want reguardless of the negatives. If a player of Baron Davis’ caliber liked being a warrior, there will be others.
i’d also like to see Captain Jack mentor Anthony Morrow into the next captain. Make him more aggressive and loud. I think if Morrow played Jack’s style with his shooting ability he’s an All-Star. He is the outside threat of the present. Fearlessness+Shooting Ability = Dangerous.
the only way i see Maggette really fitting within the Warriors system is if Monta is gone. Other than that, he’s just going to be an all-star caliber player coming off the bench and not doing all he’s capable of doing. He’s too good to keep him off the floor. He’d be unstoppable at the 2 while Jack runs the 3 and buike and morrow run the second team. he can score and get to the basket as good as anybody but he needs a facilitator to feed off and a big man to draw attention away from him. The Warriors really have neither. yet.
If they draft a point guard, it would be unwise to throw him out there right away unless he’s showing Derrick Rose ability. Which would be another reason to pick up Andre Miller.
Bottom line: andre miller.
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by mars37 on Jun 10, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I also agree with ya Marsh. I dont want to rent-a-bosh for 1 year. What happens if we don’t make the playoffs. Bye-Bye Bosh! I dont know about Andre miller though. I want either Jrue Holiday or Brandon Jennings
REPRESENTING THE BAY TO THE FULLEST!!!
by California KID on Jun 11, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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