Listen, under Nellie ball you can’t emphasize defense and defensive rebound cause as you all know, defense will never be a priority for Don Nelson. Guys go back to days when Nelson coached Dallas Mavs, Steve Nash, young Finely, Nowitziki were all stars. How much defense did they play? I bet you Nowitziki wouldn’t have been an MVP playing under Nelson. What I am trying to say is that if Amare came to the Warriors and avgs 26 points a game, that is something that will help us cause when was the last time we had a player avg 26 pts a game?
Finally, I still believe that instead of trading Biedrins I would rather trade Ellis who no way in hell is worth 66 m compared to Turgulo or Gordon or Artest. Our teams weakness is PG and PF, if we trade Ellis for Amare our lineup could be as follows:
PG: Curry
SG: Jackson (can help put facilitate the offense for Curry)
SF: Maggette
PF: Randolph
C: Stoudmire

This lineup can’t defend a crab but it can outscore opponents as our bench rotation would be deep. I simply dislike all the bashing on a Superstar like Amare when we should bash Ellis who is not only not worth the money but would never be a good PG like Parker or Rose and with up and down Nellie ball you need a PG with open vision and pass first mentality not wannabe SG trying be a Steve Nash.

Sorry for the bash guys…….

Do you have the stats for Amar’e when he is playing each position (Center and PF)?

Andris gets alot of cheap off rebounds from all his botched lay-ups.

Of course I would take Nash over Ellis any day, anytime, any place. As far as why would Suns take Ellis when they have Nash and Barbosa, well the same reason they would love to get Curry in a deal for Amare. So all I am saying is instead of trading Curry, I would get rid of bad contract Ellis who will never be an all star and replace him with Amare.
Personally, I would trade Ellis, Biedrins and Wright for Amare and Richardson along with whateva salary pieces needed. My reason is as follows, with Ellis and Biedrins we know what we would get another non playoff season, but with Amare and Richardson I think it is a gr8 risk reward. The lineup could be good for both teams

PG Curry Nash
SG Richardson Ellis or Barabosa
SF Jackson Hill
PF Randolph Fry
C Amare Biedrins

Warriorfan, that is why I am saying trade Ellis along with Wright and Rocky you could get Amare instead of Curry Wright Biedrins and Rocky. Our biggest mistake as a team was giving a young high school player $66 m when noone in the world would have given him more than $50. He was restricted free agent so we could have matched any teams offer if he received any, if I am not mistaken Cavs were offering him 5 yr midlevel but that was the closest he got. On top of that we had the chance to waive him and save $66 m use it on Turgulo or a cheaper Gordon (even though he is another version of Ellis but with reliable jump shot and cheaper money)

Why the hell is that post on the front page on GSoM? lol.

It’s just some random guy who obviously doesn’t like Amare Stoudemire. A post like that can be seen written by several people in different diaries. It’s just a random short opinion statement.

Who cares if Amare didn’t rebound a lot in Phoenix, he’s still better than Biedrins. If Andris Biedrins can average 10 rebounds in Golden State then imagine how many rebounds Amare Stoudemire can average. The Warriors need someone who can dominate on offense in the paint so we don’t have to rely on our guards to chuck stupid shots all the time. We need that inside-out game, it’s not like our rebounding will get any worse. At least with a 20/10 big man to pair up with Randolph we have a higher chance of winning games and form a more balanced offense. If there were to be a drop in rebounding, I doubt it’s of any significance and would easily be made up for by the amount of scoring the Warriors can provide from post game and the perimeter (instead of back then when all of our offense came from perimeter shots and layups from guards).

 I’m tired of that glorified garbage man Biedrins, everytime we need an answer he disappears in games; can’t even hit a shot outside 3 feet of the basket. I don’t understand why people like him just because he can tip in loose shots and has “GREAT HANDS”, Amare could do the same thing but they rarely took stupid shots in Phoenix like they do in Golden State. At least learn how to make a damn free throw, jeez.

I’ll be happy with whatever happens. If we get Amare, then we finally get the big man we’ve been waiting for since we lost Chris Webber back in ‘94. If we keep Biedrins, then we’ll have one of the most handsome players in the league.

I wouldn’t take Nash over Ellis at their respective ages at this time, and while it’d might be ideal to land Amare for Ellis instead of Andris Phx aint drinking that koolaid so that’s a moot point and not germane to the original post either – which, frankly was not clear at the outset. Also moot are prior contract decisions re Maggette, Jax, etc. Also moot are any references to the totality of the stats Andris+Marco+BWright might have. All that nonsense is old, moot, and over and done with. Enough moot already.

While I’m ranting, why we are leading with a pic of the big fundamental but talking about Amare vs Andris was not immediately clear until we realize that what we are really trying to discern is Amare’s rebounding w/o Shaq so that we can ascertain what he’d likely bring to the dubs …. ascertain? sorry, too many SVU episodes … ok, so here’s the factor so often left out of all these “equations” – we are not measuring what Amare can bring with or without Shaq while playing the C for the Suns or Dubs. That’s missing the point (although not altogether moot).

Here are the factors we should be evaluating.

First, visa vie rebounding, we are measuring what Amare and Anthony Randolph can do as a starting tandem, and most importantly whether that starting tandem is better than and more likely to get us to the playoffs ( and maybe, beyond the first round ) than Andris and Anthony can. The answer is yes, pure and simple.

The evidence lies in the added rebounding we can expect from Anthony over the previous season’s assortment of starting PFs, as well as the complementary skills Amare and Anthony have both on defense and rebounding. Without looking at the likely (because this is all conjecture) increase of Anthony over Maggette et al at PF last year, we are not really looking at the situation we would have with Amare this next season. Also, the increased rebounding & def AR will add in a starting tandem will not make up for the difference in overall effectiveness of an Amare – AR starting tandem when factoring the offensive side of the equation. Neither Andris or AR is a threat outside 12 feet, nor is Adris a threat with the ball either at the block or the elbow. Amare is all of those.

So, the answer also lies in how much more attention Amare will demand on the part of the opposing defense, thus opening up opportunities for Anthony and the rest of the team. This most of us can reach some consensus on – it’s greater than Andris, pure and simple.

The answer also lies in how much better at FT shooting Amare is over Andris, how much more of a weapon he’d be late in games than hack-a-shaq-Andris, & how much more versatile he’d’ve been in Nelson’s scheme. Again, we have a decent consensus.

I would add that there is an unmeasurable asset Amare brings to Anthony – not only does he draw more attention from the def, but AR is going to learn from one of the very best to ever play PF how to break down defenders and score efficiently. That is going to pay dividends down the line that we can’t quantify. Not everything about this game is a stat.

No, Amare doesn’t rebound as well as Andris but an Amare-Anthony tandem will rebound well enough, plus be more versatile scoring, and Anthony will help in the areas where Amare is not as strong – rebounding and defense, while Amare can help do what Andris can not: score, hit FT, and draw defensive attention away from Anthony. Add Ronny to either and you still have a complementary set of bigs, which we do not have in any scenario with Ronny + Andris or BWright. Amare fills out the complementary skill set of our bigs and does so at an All Star level.

In summary, the answer lies in all the above, not parsing it out in one or two little stats singled out in exception and unrelated to the context of the bigger picture or by clouding it with the big fundamental.

For those who don’t want to give Amare a max contract, I’d simply ask who are we getting this year, or next year, or the year after that who deserves a max contract more than Amare? Who? and how are we landing that guy? Because I don’t see it, haven’t read it, other than the hypothetical “maybe someone will be there and we don’t want to be tied to Amare if the saviour arrives and he’d show up and put on our glass slipper.” I don’t see anyone who fits our current and prospective roster better than Amare will in either the short or long term.

For those of you who say Amare will not deliver a championship, wake up. We are more than one player from making the jump from 29 wins to a ring. Even KG couldn’t do that himself. We will need another player, not necessarily a Kobe or LJ, but a top notch player to get there. But to wait until then to grab Amare is foolish, because then will never arrive.

And, it you’re still reading, and you shouldn’t be because I’m still drinking but what the hell, it’s all probably moot now that Phx has renegotiated with Hill and Nash, and look to be keeping AS after all (ya, I know I said enough moot). If we missed this opportunity, it will be second only to losing an opportunity to land KG (which, was admittedly slimmer by far). Opportunities like this simply do not come along often and you have to grab them when you can, as we did with Baron when he was available. Piss away this opportunity if you want, I’d’ve taken a stab at it …

Who raised the threshold of recommended comments from two to three before turning green? I thought it worked fine the other way since not that many people take the time to recommend comments. This could be better if people become a little more aware of using that feature though.

Guys, I know there is no magic gps device to read whats on my mind, but all I tried to say is that contracts like Gordon, Turgulo, Artest, Nelson, etc are far cheaper and better than Ellis contract. When we signed Ellis noone in the league would have paid him $66 m since he was restricted free agent. Regardless if he was unrestricted free agent he would not command that crazy money. Ellis is our weakness, he will never be a true PG for Nellie ball which needs a player like Nash, he can’t play SG without a big PG like Billups who can defend the two, therefore, all I am saying is if Suns were or still interested in Curry, then offer them Ellis and whomever they want for Amare because we know what he will do under our system.
Matter fact lets be honest and look at the West bigs, Utah, Lakers, Denver, New Orleans, Dallas, Portland, Houston (before Yao’s injury), San Antonio all have big Cs and PFs that we can’t face. Amare would make our team better atleast fighting against those bigs and simplify our game with his post moves. We are good shooting team that can get rid of Ellis and feel no lose but we do need a solid low post player like Amare and if you believe AR, BW can avg over 20 pts a game by playing low post, I would love to hear you guys argument.
Finally, I am passionate Warrior fan that believes a change is needed since our current team cannot make it to the playoff with its current roster. Success requires hard measures.

Amare has never been a good rebounder…but he could be. The thing w/ Amare on the glass and on D has always been about effort and desire. He loves to score. The rest of it…not so much.

As for last season he actually started the first couple of weeks REALLY well on both ends and on the glass but then after 8 games he and a couple of other players (including Nash) decided they didn’t like Porter and his system and they pretty much gave up on him.

Amare played like crap from that point on until Porter was fired and then two games later his season ended.

Here’s what Amare told me about Porter and coaches at the end of last season.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/4/14/837585/amare-introduces-terry-porter-to

I can’t image him and Nellie working out together and believe me, Amare is not going to play up to his potential if he’s not happy and as far as I can tell he’s never really been happy.