Help Shape 'GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0'
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 11:10 AM PDT
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PrintMy golden people- here's your way to help shape Version 2.0 of the GSoM Rules and Community Guidelines!
For your reference here's the original version of the GSoM Community Guidelines.
"Ask not what GSoM can do for you, ask what you can do for GSoM..." or something like that.
via www.jazz.com
My personal goals for the FanPosts + FanShots + discussions in the comment sections + overall community (somewhat of a word association here):
- intelligent and provocative commentary that's superior to your run of the mill message board
- respectful- this means of people's unique differences and also demonstrating that you've actually taken the time read their thoughts
- well articulated thoughts that don't read like a text message or Tweet
- diverse voices
- fun/ humor
- friendly environment
- passion
- family show
- better signal : noise ratio- more seems to be better for the game threads, but less 1-3 word or 1 sentence mini-thoughts in the comments sections of articles/ FanPosts/ FanShots in favor of substantive and well formulated thoughts
- creative
Some things you might not notice since they're done behind the scenes:
- About 40-50% of submitted FanPosts are hidden for one of several reasons: 1) they're rehashing/ repeating topics that are being discussed in several other spaces like the front page or the FanPosts, 2) they aren't substantive and probably took less than 3 minutes to construct, 3) they're poorly composed with terrible grammar, spelling, mechanics, etc., or 4) they're simply "Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web." -- NOTE: What a FANSHOT is. We try to send warnings when we can, but honestly this is very time intensive process for us.
- About 25% of the titles on submitted FanPosts/ FanShots are re-written. (e.g. "KOBE BRYANT COMING TO Wariors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" >>> "Trade Idea for Kobe Bryant", etc.). This really isn't that hard.
- About 5-10 comments are hidden everyday because they're trolling, combative, or contain profanity.
Please feel free to even propose actual sections, snippets, or even entire draft for the GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0 in the comments. My fellow writers and I obviously and unfortunately only have a finite amount of time we can pour into this hoops passion (or obsession?), so actually helping us construct this handbook of GSoM would help us out a ton. A TON. A TON. It will also ensure it goes live much faster.
I'm thinking if the community composed a "Welcome to GSoM" type guide in wiki-fashion that's required reading for anyone who posts FanPosts or FanShots or comments would be really helpful. The community could always direct newcomers or people who haven't adhered to various aspects back to the guide. Hopefully less folks think they're being intentionally singled out this way- it's always frustrating to hear when someone says that, because it's honestly not the case.
I would really like this to be grassroots effort. If this doc is cultivated organically it would be infinitely more meaningful, useful, and have an infinitely greater long-term impact.
1 Dub. 1 Luv.
Please Rec this FanPost to keep it at the top of the FanShots so we can keep this discussion going as long as needed.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Erase option
There should be an option to erase our own comments in case we notice we typed something that ends up looking inappropriate. Just a suggestion.
Judge: "In the case of 3 month old Tracie Taylor, we find that Dirk Nowitzki .... IS the father!"
Dirk [in Hassellhoff accent]: "That baby don't look like me!"
Erase option...
Yeah that would be nice, but since that would require an update in the SBN software, which is something that the writers on GSoM can’t do, we should find the best ways to work within the current set up.
Here are some ideas. If you realize something you wrote sounded too harsh, or inappropriate just reply to yourself with an apology and ask for other users to flag your post so that the one of the GSoM crew can hide it for you. I’ve apologized immediately after posting something which ended up reading much different than I intended, and it really does do wonders with regard to how the original comment is perceived.
Of course I always recommend using the “preview” feature and giving your comment at least one read through before you post it. That alone would increase the quality of the posts here tenfold.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 13, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats what I do before I post.
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jul 15, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't over think it.
This site got popular because it is fun, it can only get worse if you make it less fun and more work. I think we do a pretty good job of policing ourselves, I see only bad things coming from new rules.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 13, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This is a good point. Honestly a major goal here is to reduce the amount of time we have to spend doing the work behind the scenes to produce the end product which you see. It’s very time consuming and frustrating to see the same junk posted time after time by the same people.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly a major goal here is to reduce the amount of time we have to spend doing the work behind the scenes to produce the end product which you see. It’s very time consuming and frustrating to see the same junk posted time after time by the same people.
Hi Atma, We do really appreciate all the work you put in and support changes to lessen your workload.
Maybe you should just ban those posters that cause you repeat trouble?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 13, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of them don't mean to...
they’re just fans,but yeah it does get annoying after a while.
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jul 13, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for this...
I’m really glad you took the time to open this process up to the community members. Very cool. I’ll try to take some time later to drop my two cents about the new guidelines.
Thing 2
Here are a few things I'd like to see:
1) Edit option for posts. This would be huge to help reduce spam if a person can change one post they make, rather than having to make a new post or a reply to their own post in order to add/remove something from their comment.
2) If you get a warning, the warning should not only have the reason why you were warned, but also a copy of the comment that caused the problem.
3) Maybe a forum called ‘warnings’ that has a copy of any post that caused a warning and the explanation why. This will help others not make the same mistakes as others.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
1) Edit option for posts. This would be huge to help reduce spam if a person can change one post they make, rather than having to make a new post or a reply to their own post in order to add/remove something from their comment.
Again, this isn’t something that Atma has any control over. We will only get this option if it’s included in a future version of the SBN software. We should all try to do a better job at proofreading and thinking about how something might read before we hit post. Preview, preview, preview…
2) If you get a warning, the warning should not only have the reason why you were warned, but also a copy of the comment that caused the problem.
This is a good idea. If it’s not being done already, it would be helpful to have at least a portion of the offending comment in the warning. It should still be pretty clear from the description what you did wrong, but it couldn’t hurt to have an example.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 13, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It is usually not that clear.
I received multiple warnings for spelling/grammar as well as causing ‘clutter’.
As far as an edit option goes, I think it would really help a lot of the GSoM admins pushed SBN to make an edit option. This will help increase the quality of posts as well as reduce any ‘clutter’. I know they are not in charge of this, but they can try to pass on the recommendation.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jul 13, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Edit...
I’m pretty sure they are aware of it, but if you’d like you can put up a post here
and see what the guys in charge of that stuff have to say about it.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 13, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Some suggestions & questions:
There is a hierarchy when it comes to expectations of quality right?
1. Front Page
2. Fanpost
3. Fanshot
4. Comment
I agree completely that structure, spelling, punctuation and grammar need to be enforced and even edited-in when it comes to Fanposts and Fanshots.
My strong suggestion is to ease up on the comment-quality policing. Rules for comments, and these rules should be the minimum that apply to all types of posts, should be:
-No Profanity
-No Personal Attacks
-No Racist or Homophobic Remarks
-No Trolling
-Always credit your source. Quote what you didn’t write and always link to the source if the link exists.
You can take this as your base rules for your lowest quality posts: Comments. You can take this base and add additional rules for Fanshots like spelling or grammar. You then take the Fanshot rules and tack on minimum length, format, creativity, etc . . . for the Fanshots section.
This way, the user has to deal with incremental increases in the level of quality and care that must be taken when increasing the level of visibility his or her ideas will receive.
About 5-10 comments are hidden everyday because they’re trolling, combative, or contain profanity.
So where did the +1 ban come rumor from? There is a hierarchy of expressions of appreciation:
1. Rec, +1 and comment
2. Rec & +1
3. Rec
4. +1 and a comment
5. +1
I see this is positive reinforcement rather than spam. Signal rather than noise.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 13, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions
So where did the +1 ban come rumor from? There is a hierarchy of expressions of appreciation:
1. Rec, +1 and comment
2. Rec & +1
3. Rec
4. +1 and a comment
5. +1
I see this is positive reinforcement rather than spam. Signal rather than noise.
Agree, with the bold part.
I think it was Sam23 that had a very good point about this. +1 is a sign that you agree with what was typed. A rec can be given because you appreciate the quality of a comment and think that it deserves the higher visibility of being recommended, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you agree with the opinion.
I think that +1 should be allowed. It’s not distracting and it has a purpose. A +1 from someone like Jae can carry a lot of weight.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 13, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the only problem with this is some people started to take it way over the top, like +1000 or +123456789 etc.
Should this get someone banned? Probabily not, but a polite suggestion might be in order, kinda on the lines of letting someone know that all caps can be annoying.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
Re: the only problem with this is some people started to take it way over the top, like +1000 or +123456789 etc.
I can’t see how that is a problem in any way, shape or form. It’s the “+1” equivalent to an exclamation point.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 13, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
When I see that, I read that as someone who STRONGLY agrees
I don’t see too many of those, except maybe in the open threads when people complain about a call or something, so I don’t think it’s that much of a problem. Of course, if people abuse this and start posting nothing but +1, +1000, +1000000000000000000, THEN we have a problem.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 13, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Mods vs. Users.
Mods should be held accountable to the same rules and regulations that posters are. Too often do you guys get a free ride for regurgitating stuff onto the front page, knowing full well that you can just put a user post on the front page. What’s the harm in that? Why do you have to take credit? Hook some of the users on this board up for recognition if they have a well written or newsworthy front page addition. Holdin’ people down all day, round here.
by Aemoc on Jul 13, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Items that I’ve seen “regurgitated” to the front page have usually been creadeded to the origional poster and correct me if I’m wrong but only a mod can put an item on a front page.
Maybe in an opening statment a mod should bold text where the origional post idea came from so some people don’t feel slighted?
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
Please stop making stuff up
Very interesting conspiracy theory. Too bad it’s not true.
If you post up a great FanPost about a topic we write about on the homepage you’ll definitely get some recognition and credit. Most of the time if you even post up a FanShot alerting the community first you’ll get a shout out as well.
Recent examples:
- RECAP: LVSL Game 2- Warriors 98, Kings 95 OT- The Original NorCal Kings of Vegas: What’s the first link/ quote after the jump?
- RUMOR: Warriors after Carlos Boozer- Shout out to the original FanShot poster at the end
- 2009 NBA Draft Lottery Results + With the 7th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft the Golden State Warriors select…- “I’ll pass the mic to longtime GSoMer mcwalter44 for some more eloquent HYPE.”
- Meeting with Robert Rowell – 8th APR 2009 [GSoM FanPosts]- A front page FanShot just to show some love to BritWarriorGSW’s excellent work.
If you write a crappy “OMG! WTF?! TrAdE BW for BoSh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” type FanPost, you’ve obviously not going to get a shout out. Why do we want to validate and encourage poor quality submissions? That doesn’t make any sense and just makes our work behind the scenes much more difficult.
There’s also the rec system for great FanPosts/ FanShots to get some more airtime. If you post something good on GSoM it’s going to be read by thousands of people. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
We don’t promote FanPosts to the front page for various reasons. The front page consists of a blog written by the authors listed at the bottom of the page under GSoM Crew. The FanPosts are a blog within a blog- not a replacement or a substitution. That’s how it’s always been.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Aemoc is talking about just moving the actual user created post to the front page rather than rewriting their post yourself and throwing a little shout-out in there. Fooch and NinersNation does this a lot, just about every heavily rec’d or really well thought out and well written post that can stir up some interesting discussion gets moved to the front page.
Thing A
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Instead of answering my question and lending legitimacy to my idea, he took it personal and then accredited himself with the title “writer.”
Let’s be real here.
Blogs are better when it is a legitimate community, and not just a moderater run linkdump (which is more or less what this place has become.)
Yup let's be real here
You wrote:
Too often do you guys get a free ride for regurgitating stuff onto the front page, knowing full well that you can just put a user post on the front page. What’s the harm in that?
Again the front page consists of a blog written by the authors listed at the bottom of the page under GSoM Crew. The FanPosts are a blog within a blog- not a replacement or a substitution. That’s how it’s always been.
How are we getting a “free ride” by writing and maintaining our blog?
I know why other SBN blogs do it, but I think it’s kind of a cop out when the respective authors just promote some FanPost of varying quality instead of taking the time to write something of their own especially when something big happens. I mean we are writers, not message board/ forum moderators.
Why do you have to take credit? Hook some of the users on this board up for recognition if they have a well written or newsworthy front page addition.
Well this is exactly what I illuminated above. Your random obsession with us taking credit is just very curious. We do recognize great work from the community- you’re just not acknowledging it.
Holdin’ people down all day, round here.
That makes ZERO sense. We founded and have maintained a very popular blog for close to 5 years. If you post something high quality you’ll get a lot of exposure for your work. Hey maybe it’ll even get hyped in the local papers like SJ Mercury with BritWarriors’ ST meeting with Rowell. At the very least a lot of fellow Dubs fans will read your thoughts.
That’s not holdin’ people down. That’s giving them a tool to be heard.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you’re totally right. Your opinion is the only one that can be considered real, my omniscient master. Part of the problem is that you’re locked in to your views and while you give everyone else the run around, at the end of the day this is Golden State of Atma. You take center stage, all the time.
I’m not as incensed by this as Aemoc, but I think he does raise a good point. I know there has to be some purpose for the rec’d fanpost section, but there have been several unique fanposts that deserved front page recognition and if an everyday contributor beats you to a story and does a nice write up on the story I really see no reason for you guys to re-write it when you could just promote it…it’s really not that much different than having multiple fanposts on one subject. And if the constant policing is such a drain on your time (I don’t doubt that it is) shouldn’t not having to re-write a story be a little bit of a relief to you guys? (that wasn’t meant to sound like a smart ass, it’s an honest question)
Thing A
I know there has to be some purpose for the rec’d fanpost section, but there have been several unique fanposts that deserved front page recognition and if an everyday contributor beats you to a story and does a nice write up on the story I really see no reason for you guys to re-write it when you could just promote it…it’s really not that much different than having multiple fanposts on one subject.
Well I guess it comes down to semantics and how we conceptualize this site differently. Again I see the main page as a blog I co-write and the FanPosts, etc as bonus community features that make the overall site more interactive. They’re not a replacement for the main blog. And I do think we give great FanPosts plenty of recognition with shout outs, but that’s a matter of opinion- I get that.
I also think it’s somewhat trivializing the main blog to say it just contains a “re-write” of the FanPost. There’s always very different perspectives and styles on display. But again that’s can be open to interpretation.
Honestly Aemoc is incensed by this because he simply likes to complain and attack people like a fake e-thug. Nothing more, nothing less. Don’t waste your time. I’m shocked he’s posted this many comments without cussing someone out or hurling various homophobic slurs.
And if the constant policing is such a drain on your time (I don’t doubt that it is) shouldn’t not having to re-write a story be a little bit of a relief to you guys?
Haha you know the solution is for those repeat spammers/ trolls to leave or change, not for us to open up more time to deal with them.
Believe it or not but what attracted us to this hobby in the first place was the passion for creative writing and the interest in blogging circa 2005. It was NOT to moderate comments in an online community. I honestly try to keep the FanPosts high quality and clean up the comments as a sense of duty, rather than something I actually enjoy doing.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it pretty humorous that while you criticize me for attacking and being an “e-thug”, you have no problem throwing your weight around because I have any opinion that isn’t precisely in line with yours. Not once did I bring any grain of disrespect in to this discussion, yet you seem to have no problem doing so.
I don’t see why the line in the sand is drawn for someone like me, yet you can just generally have a disrespect for anyone who doesn’t see it your way. Police yourself.
I came in here, and voice my opinion. No more, no less. Take offense, go ahead. At the end of the day it’s nothing more than one of the criticisms you take on a daily basis.
Enjoy continuing to rule with your iron fist.
other SBN blogs do
first, occasionally – very occasionally – the mods do put a fanpost on the front page … rather than a “cop out” doing so more often could promote the very type of fanposts the mods want – powerfully and publicly while taking some of the work off the shoulders of the front page posters and giving some cred to members who can & do compose quality fanposts
second, other SBN blogs – among the ones I’ve visited – have NO WHERE NEAR what we have either in front page quantity or frequency of member comments, yet we have one of if not the most respectful, thorough, and intelligent levels of discussion as on any site. That’s a tribute both to the mods and members imo.
The problem is not that their aren’t high quality fan posts. There are. There are many of them. The problem seems to be the number of low quality ones. Moving some to the front page section is unlikely to do anything about garbage.
… and we rec their higher quality ones – which works well here, while still allowing new/young members to work on their quality of fanposts. The “problem” of low quality fan posts is taken care of as they’re not rec’d and slide down – imo, that is not a problem so much as a natural and healthy process of maturation on the part of authors. Moving the high quality ones to the front page is modeling for them by putting them there, as well as giving credit to a valued posts. … When fanposts on topic A get usurped by subsequent submissions on the front page on topic A, frequently with a nod to the original post though not always, it’s aggravating because we then have to try to follow two threads to stay abreast of the discussion. We don’t let duplicate fanposts exist, partially for that very reason. Why put duplications of fanposts on the front page? It’s inconsistency. In fact, since the rec’d fan posts stay up top they’d have longer life than the seemingly ephemeral front page. Quality fanposts could and should be posted to the front page AND on the rec’d list.
LOL... remember when we would Rec the bad ones LOL!
Beyond Golden State of Design... and than some!
http://www.tonypsd.blogspot.com/
LOL... remember when we would Rec the bad ones LOL!
PRETTY TONEEEE!!
yeah ,I recall one guy once had 5 of the worst rec’d at the same time.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Shhh
[That young man happens to be a major player in this thread…]
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Beyond Golden State of Design... and than some!
http://www.tonypsd.blogspot.com/
by Tony.psd on Jul 15, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm totally baffled by Aemoc's point ...
I like the idea of a blog occasionally “promoting” a fanpost to the front page. Fooch did that with one of mine on Niner’s Nation. But I don’t feel at all disrespected or held down by the fact that such a thing doesn’t happen here. I feel like my posts and comments usually get a quality audience.
On the other hand, NN is just Fooch, I believe. GSOM is already a bunch of writers. And they added Jae based on his fanposts.
So I really fail to see the problem Aemoc is complaining about.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 13, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t consider writing to be a rehash of an already posted fanpost. Just promote it. They bicker about the convolution yet the start up totally new threads and shut down the old ones that were in it’s place. Hypocrisy at it’s very finest.
Just promote it.
You are highly overestimating the value of “front page” status. most of us skip right to the meat of the site which is the fan posts and shots. If you have something interesting to say it will get read on page 2,3, or 20 .
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
if i recall correctly, iqofawarrior had a recap pushed to the front page (the game against the hornets if memory serves). it’s rare, but it does happen and i really don’t see any reason to be offended by having a rec’d fanpost and not a front page post considering there are enough frontpage posts that those get pushed off the front much quicker than rec’d posts.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jul 14, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe a probation period between warnings and bans?
I had gotten a warning once from grammar, then a couple months later got my 2nd warning for lack of substance in my comment wich resulted in a ban (Atma allowed me back, thanks again).
But there was a long time in between warnings, so it seemed kind of out of the blue. So maybe a probationary period after a warning, where if you get another one within a certain time it’d be a ban. After about a month or so without another warning you get a clean slate.
I had gotten a warning once from grammar,
Grammar? You’ve gotta be kidding? Basketball knowledge and grammar are very far apart.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 13, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If they decide you aren’t on the straight and narrow, you’re gonna get warnings for the dumbest things they can think of. It is a police state around here, even if they say otherwise. There is clearly a line you tow with them. Anything less will result with a tighter leash. It’s that simple.
There is clearly a line you tow with them.
Pull that barge.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 13, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Aemoc/ Coma has been multiple times for profanity and verbally abusing other community members, yet he randomly reincarnates every now and then only to violate the same community standards time after time. It’s that simple. Don’t get it twisted and don’t take what he’s saying all that seriously.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
I’m curious just how bad the grammar has to be to get you a warning. I have no problem with minimal grammatical standards. My grammar and spelling certainly hasn’t been perfect and I have yet to receive a warning and jae is correct that there does seem to be a loose relationship between poor grammar and posts that contribute nothing. But the fact that several posters who generally do make positive contributions to discussion are complaining about being warned or banned makes me curious what the standards are.
Thing A
"curious what the standards are"
Honestly they’re not that high.
There’s a reason why the vast majority of commenters don’t get those type of warnings, but only a select few who continually post inane, low quality useless comments do. I mean listen to their arguments- they’re absurd.
Is it really that hard to think just a few seconds before posting? Is it really that hard to actually read the polite warnings and improve your posting quality enough to meet the minimum threshold we ask?
No and no.
If you post “ur dumb wariorz will win championship ful” and then get a warning to write more substantive comments that are articulated better is it really that hard to put two and two together?
No.
Honestly these guys aren’t worth the time and they’re creating unnecessary confusion here.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Atma i understand what your saying
But i certainly don’t feel that I make inane low quality posts. I do make a joke or dissposable comment now and then, but never am dispruptive or type things like"ur dumb wariorz will win championship ful". And wasn’t trying to creat confusion….
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 13, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I’ve only had one post where I said “you’re dumb” or anything useless like that. Still not too sure why I was warned about 7 times.
Clearly I’ve tried to change my ways to be more thoughtful when posting, but I’m still very curious since none of the warning say anything other than grammar/spelling and don’t point me to which posts actually were low quality enough to warrant me being banned three times.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jul 13, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly I’ve tried to change my ways to be more thoughtful when posting,
I would agree, thanks for the effort.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
i would like to point out that this is the internet.
and that asking for grammar accuracy is incredibly impractical.
and i dont want to spoil your party, but the site will lose visitors if you ban everyone who posts “let’s go warriors” in the comments of threads. if that’s what you want then just understand what you’re getting. no amount of intelligent discussion changes the fate of the warriors. but people who want to support their team in every way possible can make a difference.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 13, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
let’s go warriors"
Have you even been reading? It’s been stated numerous times that that’s fine in the open game threads.
no amount of intelligent discussion changes the fate of the warriors. but people who want to support their team in every way possible can make a difference.
Thank you for the platitude. Very odd.
i would like to point out that this is the internet.
and that asking for grammar accuracy is incredibly impractical.
We’re asking for substantive intelligent comments/ FanPosts/ FanShots that were composed with a good faith attempt at grammar, spelling, punctuation etc. That’s really not that difficult.
I would like to point out this is designed to be a high quality discussion space and that it’s probably incredibly impractical for you to continue posting here if you’re not interested in contributing towards that goal.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
please don't take offense to this
but is “high quality discussion space” just you disagreeing with everyone or what? every post i’ve read in this “open thread” is you disagreeing with people. maybe take some of the advice people want to give, like oh less strict policy? this is a warriors fan site on the internet, not a molecular biology convention.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 13, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow this is just getting old
Censoring or violating people’s freedom of speech would be like me deleting comments from and banning regulars like Olympic Mike, Sleepy Freud, Oixn, Zack Yank, etc who routinely put up fantastic counter-arguments to my pieces, just because they don’t agree with my stance. Obviously that doesn’t happen and it’s never happened.
Asking people to post thoughtful comments and act like solid citizens or else asking them to go elsewhere? No, that’s not violating anyone’s freedom of speech. That’s striving to keep this a high quality community with great discussions.
No one in the (storied!) history of GSoM has ever been banned or had their comments hidden because they held a different viewpoint than one of the main blog authors.
please don’t make stuff up when posting
Thanks.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
try reading my post before putting words in my mouth.
i never said disagreeing got you banned, or even implied it. i was poking fun of what you call “high quality discussion.” this open discussion thread is you going around disagreeing with everyone. try having an open discussion and listening to peoples complaints. please take this comment objectively and really TRY to listen to others instead of just disagreeing with opposing views. if you want to lock everyone out but your boyfriends you shouldn’t have a public website.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 13, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I mostly agree with you. The outrage of so many makes me wonder if you should relax the standards, but like I said, my grammar certainly hasn’t been perfect and I haven’t had any grammar related warning issues so far. If its simply guys making the same mistakes over and over again without emailing you with a good case for why those offenses aren’t warn-worthy then it is their own fault.
And it was already mentioned, but I’d like to add again that the ‘Preview’ function should be used a whole lot more. I know I don’t use it often enough but I’m trying to more now. Its useful not only for catching errors, but I also know that I have, more than once, previewed a post and thought to myself “wow thats a whole lot of words that say nothing,” and just deleted the whole thing.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 13, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Its useful not only for catching errors, but I also know that I have, more than once, previewed a post and thought to myself "wow thats a whole lot of words that say nothing," and just deleted the whole thing.
Me too.
Thing 2
Its useful not only for catching errors, but I also know that I have, more than once, previewed a post and thought to myself "wow thats a whole lot of words that say nothing," and just deleted the whole thing.
think…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………sucks.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for opening this up for input AB1.
For the most part your goals are good but please take care no not cross the bridge of being elitist.
Having to write a long post to support a point of view can be unnecessary and time consuming. I for one usually do not have time here at work or for the most part even at home to write an in depth essay as to why something should or should not be done.
Now I do realize that and leave the detailed number crunching to the people who do have the time and the inculcation to present it.
However I should be able to shoot out a question or comment without having to worry about reprisal on my answer being too short or deemed not “well formulated”
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
I got you and rec’ed(?) it.
I think that during periods where there is more basketball action (the regular season, the time leading up to the draft), keep the FanPosts more basketball-related. But, in the coming months, everyone knows there won’t be a lot of Warriors related news out there, so I think you could be a little more lenient on letting non-Warrior stories into the FanPosts. I remember last year there were some politic threads that were a damn good way to pass the time. So yeah, not saying you don’t already do that, but I’m just putting it out there.
Game threads should not be held up to that high a standard of commenting just because things are happening so fast, all people have time to write is a “YESSSS!!!”. But I think that any thread where people have time to think about and elaborate their thoughts they should. Not saying people need to learn spelling or grammar or anything, but every post should in some way add something to the conversation. That doesn’t mean it has to be long, or even something new, but hopefully it would focus on the goal of the original topic in some way.
I’ll let other people comment on the rest.
Actually, a little more on swearing.
I think that the swearing restriction could ease up during particularly heated games (hopefully we get some this year), but only during and immediately after.
Also, I think we should establish a list of what is profanity and what isn’t maybe.
Swear words like “rhymes with duck” and “rhymes with mitt” obviously count, but what about “damn”, “crap”, “hell”, and “Chris Cohan”?
Agree on both accounts and both already do occur
Non-Warrior FanPost submissions have always been welcome. The same standards apply to them of course. If you write “WTF?!! Raptors resssign Barganani” or “PALIN quites!!!!!! Discuss…..” and that’s it as a FanPost it’s going to be hidden. If you’re lucky someone will ask you to move it to a FanShot.
I personally welcome interesting broader NBA, hoops, etc discussions. The unrelated politic-only discussions I could live without here, but that’s just me. I don’t see why others can’t engage in intelligent discussion here though.
The length and substantiveness of Game threads comments aren’t held to any real standard aside from being friendly and not trolling.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
that's a great ensemble
on that blue note recording. all those luminaries (henderson and jones on another level i.m.o.) have regrettably passed in the last decade or so. is that from your own vinyl collection, sr. atma?
I'd like to see the +1 ban removed, as well.
It allows a person to express support WITHOUT writing a post, and that will actually help keep stuff cleaner … because the alternative is to write a one or two sentence post that says the same thing. 1 is a very clean, simple way to say “I agree,” and it’s better than a rec because I can see WHO’s doing the supporting. eg, if somebody posts a stat-based post, and jae says "1" that means a lot more than it might coming from some other people.
If suggestions are being send back up the sportsnation ladder, I’d like to see a better interface for fanshots, as well. I’d love to have an easy-to-glance-at page which shows me the most recent 20 fanshots, akin the the "fanposts’ main page. I hardly ever look at fanshots because scrolling around to find the interesting ones is a pain.
If suggestions are being send back up the sportsnation ladder, I’d like to see a better interface for fanshots, as well. I’d love to have an easy-to-glance-at page which shows me the most recent 20 fanshots, akin the the "fanposts’ main page. I hardly ever look at fanshots because scrolling around to find the interesting ones is a pain.
I’m not sure if I understand what you mean. Do you mean a page like this? http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/fanshots
I admit, I don’t look at the fanshots nearly as much as the fanposts, but I’m not sure if there is a good reason why, other than they are a little further down the page, or one button over to the right on the top of the main page…
Thing 2
I’m not sure if I understand what you mean. Do you mean a page like this? http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/fanshots
Compare that page to this one:
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/fanposts
The fanposts page has an easy-to-read list view, where I get 20-odd headlines in one glance, and the layout makes it very easy to see which ones have lots of comments (eg, I should probably read them even if the headline doesn’t grab me).
On the fanshots page, on the other hand, I can only usually see 3-4 entries without scrolling, and the layout obscures the comments indicator. It is therefore much easier to miss a continuing conversation.
This seems particularly backwards since fanshots are supposed to be shorters-at-a-glance notes, so ideally I should be able to see MORE of them at a glance, not fewer.
(Although if I had my druthers there would actually be a page that looked exactly like the fanposts list page, which included fanposts, fanshots and front-page articles. That way I could see ALL new content at a glance, easily sorted by what had the most recent comments).
Interesting...
I never noticed the list view. Thanks for pointing that out.
(Although if I had my druthers there would actually be a page that looked exactly like the fanposts list page, which included fanposts, fanshots and front-page articles. That way I could see ALL new content at a glance, easily sorted by what had the most recent comments).
Yeah, that would be great.
Thing 2
I'm rec'ing this because I've been watching and waiting for this post
since I suggested it several weeks ago about creating a fanpost describing the sudden unannounced change in rules and comment strictness. I mentioned that “…Suddenly getting blindsided with a warning or a ban without being told about the new rules only breeds an atmosphere of resentment, paranoia, and discontent towards the GSoM mods…”. Since then, I have seen some paranoia and resentment coming from those who got warned or banned, particularly those that have been regular, “loyal” commenters. And I’ve seen several posters wondering, “what is going on?” when they see the same person come back with a slightly different name. This fanpost is what I have been looking for so that both the mods and the community to communicate (very important!!!) settle on a set of rules for everyone.
With that said, one way to help gauge what the community finds as “dumb” comments that deserves to be warned is to add more options under the “Flag” feature. Right now, it contains spam, troll, inappropriate. Can you add more flags, like “low quality”, “this is weak”, or “please warn this sucker”? I think there are enough regular posters who will help identify the weak comments by marking them for you. I bet very few of the “+1” agreement type comments would have been marked, because I don’t think it bothers the community. I personally don’t mind it because I get to see who agrees with a comment, so I know where they stand.
A wiki-type welcome page would be very useful not only for the newcomers, but also for those currently here so that we ALL understand what the rules are, instead of having to hear about them second hand from people who got warned or banned.
Finally, one rule I would like to see added is an image-size posting rule in comments. Once in a while, someone posts a pic in the comment that takes up 1/2 of my screen, which gets annoying to scroll through. It would be nice to see people resize their images in to a smaller, reasonable size. The way to do this is to manually add the width=xx% property in the IMG tag, then preview to make sure the image is small enough. Unfortunately, it’s not a documented feature, so few people, if any, knows about this. I personally always try to resize my images so that it’s small and compact. This doesn’t happen very often, but if it bothers others, I think this should be a new rule. If I’m the only one bothered, then I’ll just suck it up and live with it.
+1 (see what i did there?)
I’m probably one of the few people you are mentioning at the top of your post.
I honestly felt there was no reason to give out the warnings and bans when the reasons for those were not even in the community guidelines yet. Sure, I understand you’re trying to promote a better place for GSoM, but when people are breaking rules that you have not even implemented into the community guidelines yet, there is no reason to do what you did, and I frankly feel it’s wrong, which was the reason for my initial comment in the first place in an older fanpost a few weeks back.
I understand the need for the changes, and I’ll do my part to follow them though.
This fanpost SHOULD have come FIRST before all the warnings and bans. If you had done this originally, you wouldn’t be getting all this resentment and paranoia IQ has been talking about. That’s all I wanted to say, really.
Good stuff
I have been paranoid sense my last banning/unbanning, to the point where i didn’t post for a while or would be nervous every time i did.
PC
This site should be PCGSoM. Remember the first amendment rights our elders fought so hard for during the 60’s? All the rallies, all the movements, all the demonstrations in Berkley? What would they say now about all these restrictions and rules? As my 5 year old niece says, “sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.”
This site rocks, but can lean on being hyper-sensitive and politically correct. Keep up the good work though GSoM’ers.
Let's not trivialize those movements
Among other very important goals, those movements and demonstrations were fought so all of could bring our diverse viewpoints/ culture to the table and express them without having to wake up in the middle of the night to a burning cross on our front lawn.
Shoot I myself get accused for not being PC enough from time to time for my counter-hegemonic stances on this very site. Flip back to my “controversial” thoughts on hockey and the racist double standard about perceptions of “thuggery” for an example.
Those movements weren’t fought so that people could write “LOL!!!!! WTF?!!! +1000000000000178932 or man U suCk” in an online community. No was marching so people could lazily troll and spam on a website.
“hyper-sensitive and politically correct” is not the issue here. PC GSoM only makes sense if you’re not Thinking Different with your laptop/ desktop.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 if it's still allowed.
Those movements weren’t fought so that people could write "LOL!!!!! WTF?!!! +1000000000000178932 or man U suCk" in an online community. No was marching so people could lazily troll and spam on a website.
That might be the funniest thing you’ve ever posted without an accompanying photo.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 13, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Very interesting comments above, and I apologize if it looks like I’m ignoring some by not threading this message, but there’s some good overlap and I didn’t want to be overly repetitive. I like to keep myself to rather repetitive but just below the threshold of excessively repetitive.
Housekeeping on the format:
Our control over the SBNation interface is very, very limited. Basically, what you see is what you get. Editing, deleting? Not available. Reorganizing fanshots and summary pages? I don’t think we’ve got the power to do it. There are good arguments for and against allowing posters to modify comments after they are up, but the final decision isn’t one that GSoM makes. We all live with it.
As to content:
One thing that should be clear beyond any official guideline is that if you take the time and make an effort to participate in the community, you get a whole lot of benefit of the doubt. What might look like profanity in other circumstances probably gets washed over by the qualify of the post. If it looks like you’re trying to antagonize and/or just dumped some unexplained slop like “thats stupid end of discussion”, you don’t get this benefit of the doubt. This goes far beyond whether or not someone agrees with your position. If it was merely agreeing with his position, there would be no way that Atma would have invited me to help moderate and post on the front page. He can joke about buying my support for a Stoudemire deal with pizza because there have been many times where our opinions on basketball matters have not overlapped. People know this because both of us take the time to articulate our opinions and analysis regardless of our conclusions. That’s what makes for good content.
Rules on grammar and spelling are difficult to put down with a hard and fast line, but if you aim to make your posts appreciated by a wider audience, the better composed they are, the more that people will pay attention to your arguments, even if they disagree. In general, approximating basic rules of grammar, trying to misspell fewer words, and reading what you wrote before posting gives the appearance that you have thought about what you are posting and that appearance is usually pretty close to the reality. If you are posting, I’d hope it’s because you’re interested in sharing thoughts. It may be that what you write is not quite what you thought, but what you write and how you write it is all we’ve got to go on though in determining the thoughts behind the post.
I have witnessed a correlation, not perfect but clearly still there, between the quality of someone’s grammar and the quality of their arguments, even if I disagree with the argument and the respect of the poster for others in the community. It’s also just easier for most people to read standard prose. If U R treating the bored like text msg and put in as much thot Y bthr ? I do not think I am alone in thinking that if so little care went into the composition that it may mean as little care went into the thinking behind it. Again, not universally true, but it seems to be a good correlation between the two.
To see someone write “your an idiot” was once ironic. It no longer is simply because it seems it’s far more common than seeing that sort of comment from someone who was awake when the train pulled into Conjunction Junction. I
“+1’s” don’t bother me, used sparingly and appropriately. But I think that any time you are thinking about adding one, think if their is possibly some other detail you could add or elaborate on. Web 2.0, or whatever this is, relies on user content to be good. I find the +1 to a response in a thread to be more appropriate to a lone, un-clarified +1 to the initial fanpost when it’s really the time to get a discussion going. Use it to support, but recognize that it can get out of hand. Again, it’s one of those things where if you otherwise put in time and effort, you get the benefit of the doubt. I know to pay attention to a +1 that sam23 added because I know, based on the quality of the rest of his posts, that he considers the point made in someone else’s post to be worthwhile. He, like several other posters, have earned the social capital in their credibility.
Food for thought. If you +1 it (or -1 it) let me know why.
Again, it’s one of those things where if you otherwise put in time and effort, you get the benefit of the doubt. I know to pay attention to a +1 that sam23 added because I know, based on the quality of the rest of his posts, that he considers the point made in someone else’s post to be worthwhile. He, like several other posters, have earned the social capital in their credibility.
This is why a simple +1 warn/ban is a very tough rule to follow. Sometimes a short and concise comment can be good at the right moment, particularly from someone whom you know is an intelligent poster. It’s very subjective because it relies on knowing a poster’s history and personality to know whether he’s being concise and witty vs being short and dumb, thus there is no easy answer. I guess the best answer about the +1 post is that it’s a judgement call on a case-by-case basis.
I have witnessed a correlation, not perfect but clearly still there, between the quality of someone’s grammar and the quality of their arguments
Yes, I’ve seen that too. The only exception I would make are from those where English is not their native language, in which case I would read based on their content and level of depth. I’ve seen this in other forums, but not here so far. If we had Yao Ming on our roster, I would expect to see a few more non-native English speakers around here.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 13, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
In general, on other boards where non-native speakers participate, they tend to identify themselves as such, and that effort is usually rewarded. Mistakes of a non-native speaker can generally be identified. They seldom write things like “if u think iverson sux, u r wrong. your an idiot.”
by jae on Jul 13, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
well, THAT’S obviously nothing more than a noise maker
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
ESL Folks
I think that’s a given that the exception should exist. As the son of immigrants and a person of color I can sympathize with folks whose native tongue isn’t English. But again, I think JAE’s right on the money here:
Mistakes of a non-native speaker can generally be identified. They seldom write things like "if u think iverson sux, u r wrong. your an idiot."
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously though
I don’t think there’s a huge problem with enforcing minimal grammar/spelling requirements. If you put a little thought or effort into the grammar/spelling of your post it probably means you’ve put a little bit of thought into what you’re saying. Nobody is complaining about or issuing warnings over lack of capitalization, misplaced commas, or mild run on sentences if your post shows some thought.
There’s also been a little too much hostility being expressed towards the GSoM crew about this whole issue. If you have a question about why you received a warning or a ban they seem more than willing to take the time to explain/discuss it with you. If you receive multiple warnings or bans in a relatively short period of time, you need to start thinking about what you might be doing wrong rather than how Atma, Tony.psd or jae have wronged you. I certainly don’t agree with all the decisions Atma seems to have made about this issue over the last couple weeks, but he and the rest of the crew do have the site’s best interest at heart. They are trying to make the place a more informative, more interesting, and more fun place to waste hours of your life. We would all like to see the average fanpost/fanshot quality increase to the level of other sites like McCoveyChronicles while retaining the more welcoming and less exclusive atmosphere, but that’s not an easy task. This thread is a great start.
Thing A
If you put a little thought or effort into the grammar/spelling of your post it probably means you’ve put a little bit of thought into what you’re saying. Nobody is complaining about or issuing warnings over lack of capitalization, misplaced commas, or mild run on sentences if your post shows some thought.
Bingo my man. I think it comes back to the high correlation with poor quality comments as well that JAE brought up.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
this website should be open and fun.
people should be able to say anything they want in the comments. the problem is the frigging dumb posts. so many people make absolutely retarded trade threads, and they NEVER get deleted. what do you expect the comments to be like if the threads are as dumb as they are? do you really expect people to provide constructive criticism to someone who proposes we trade half our team for kwame brown? i think the wrong people are being punished. take care of the ant hill and the ants will go away.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 13, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions
Amen.
I was banned three times in a week! But I have tried my best to proof read what I am writing since then.
I guess people just need to think a bit more as to what they write so as to not convey and atmosphere of mediocrity. Rather, people should be a bit more intellectual so we can promote good debate between people.
Either way, the changes happening without warning and without a clear guideline really blind-sided many of the more avid posters and frankly the bans were insulting to those of us who are passionate GSW fans.
Hope things get cleared up soon so we can continue to have the best sports community possible.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
I think that WHO the poster is and how long they've been a member should have some say in bannings
People who have been around for a while and are obviously not just trolls, shouldn’t be as quick to be banned as someone who just made an account and starts off by being idiotic
I agree with this
LostHawk was a long time member with about 1K posts. But there is a problem with this, if you don’t hold everyone under the same level of scrutiny then someone must make a judgment call. There are always going to be problems deciding how long is “long” and how many posts is “a lot” in order to decide if someone is a member that will be held under different standards.
I do however agree that the admins must take it easier on long time, non-troll, members who try to debate and increase the amount of talk about the Warriors. This site is a community and the loyal members of any community should be held under a better standard than what we have faced the last few weeks. It was quite insulting and frustrating at times.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Cool that this is an open conversation. Thanks to Atma for starting it, and to him and all the moderators for their hard work… that doesn’t get said often enough.
I don’t really have any problem with the guidelines here; I think you guys run a pretty tight ship. There is one suggestion I have, though, and it’s for the admins, rather than the posters. That may be presumptuous. But if one of the goals is to reduce the amount of time you guys spend deleting redundant threads and such, I think this might help.
The average front page article on GSOM takes up FAR more space than the average front page article on most SBNation sites, largely due to the use of big pictures and frequent use of poll questions. That’s y’all’s style, and there’s nothing wrong with that… it gives a nice enthusiastic vibe to the place. BUT, it does make the page vaster and busier than most, and that makes it a bit more likely that a newer poster won’t find the topic they’re looking for easily, in which case they’re more likely to start a new, unnecessary thread. This happened a couple times during the apex of the Amar’e talk — there was always an article no lower than fourth-highest on the main page, but fourth-highest on GSOM is pretty far down. It takes a lot of loading and a lot of scrolling to find main page subjects that are just a day or two old. The veterans around here know that and navigate it, but the new kids seem to be struggling.
You’re never going to completely eliminate redundant threads, of course; there’ll always be someone who thoughtlessly starts a thread without reading a thing on the board. But I think you could really reduce the number of redundant threads you guys have to wade through by making the main page a bit more navigable. And the way to do that is to keep things compact: only use small photos, or put big ones after the jump; maybe skip the occasional poll question for the sake of readability. I think it could make your lives easier.
I could be completely wrong, of course… in that case, feel free to ignore this. And thanks again for keeping this thing going for all of us.
by onlxn on Jul 13, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The average front page article on GSOM takes up FAR more space than the average front page article on most SBNation sites
Interesting and I’m intrigued about how others feel about this. I as well find it difficult to find older threads that may or may not still be active.
In general, formatting is not my strong suit and I find myself struggling to even find a picture to add to a story, but have noticed that without one, it’s sometimes difficult to even identify a new story as a story when quickly looking at the page. One thing we do have control over is how much content goes before the “jump” for longer articles. Do people have any sort of consensus (or even a minority opinion that’s so well articulated and reasoned that it’s better than the uncritical masses) on what would work well?
The average front page article on GSOM takes up FAR more space than the average front page article on most SBNation sites
Didn’t notice but don’t really care, I find the most interesting stuff in the debates that are sprinkled throughout the site. I didn’t even know there were problems here till this thread was put up :>)
I still can’t believe guys are getting busted for GRAMMAR? Wow that ‘s just sad on a basketball site, very far removed from any court I’ve ever played on.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Do people have any sort of consensus (or even a minority opinion that’s so well articulated and reasoned that it’s better than the uncritical masses) on what would work well?
I can’t claim any sort of consensus, nor that this will be well articulated and/or reasoned. But I’ll put forth a couple thoughts. If they’re helpful, great; if not, well, it won’t be the first time I’ve blabbed pointlessly on the Internet.
It seems to me that the overall conversation in GSOM is working quite well — the main thing that the admins are looking to fix is the high number of weak, thoughtless posts they have to deal with. Atma summed up the frustration well elsewhere in this thread:
Is it really that hard to think just a few seconds before posting? Is it really that hard to actually read the polite warnings and improve your posting quality enough to meet the minimum threshold we ask?
It’s not really that hard, of course, and yet, this being the Internet, some people are going to keep messing up. You’ll never get rid of them entirely, but there are a few things you can do to at least thin the herd a little. And one of them is to tweak the look of the front page. I’d already mentioned the length of front page articles as a potential issue… topics get pushed down more quickly here than at most other blogs, due to big pictures, polls, etc. But in a broader sense, I think the front page is a little too inviting, as strange as that sounds. And the easiest way to explain this is to compare GSOM’s main page to that of the other SBNation site I frequent, as do many others here — McCovey Chronicles.
Like GSOM, McCovey Chronicles is heavy on both in-depth sports conversation and humor. However, the main pages look a bit different. McCC’s is a bit more… manicured, for lack of a better word. Not many pictures, not many polls. Most of the main page threads have a decent chunk of text to them — Grant occasionally does one-line thread starters, but not often, and he’ll throw a pretty heavy paragraph up there at least once every couple days. It’s not a front page that really commands your attention.
By contrast, the GSOM front page is pretty splashy. Lots of pictures, lots of polls — it’s extremely interactive. The writing style is often slangy, and you see a lot of quick, one-line posts… there’s not often any heavy text on the main page (jae’s posts being the most common exception). And it’s a very busy main page — between the size of the main articles and all the webpins and extra goodies on the sides, the front page is twice as long as that of McCovey Chronicles. It feels like a bigger, brighter, friendlier place.
I wouldn’t say one main page is better than the other. There’s something aesthetically appealing about Grant’s streamlined approach; there’s something really fun about the jumble of stuff here. I like both main pages a lot.
But I think the McCovey Chronicles front page attracts fewer bad posters than GSOM’s, precisely because it’s less friendly. When you go to McCC, you’re not immediately drawn in with lots of pictures and polls. There’s mainly a bunch of chunks of text for you to read. And if you don’t have the patience to read them — if you’re not actually willing to hear your hosts’ in-depth thoughts on the Giants — you’re probably going to leave. Thus, the percentage of bad posts at McCovey Chronicles is extremely low, even though there’s (AFAIK) only one full-time admin. Because the people that stick around past the main page are predominantly going to post fairly worthwhile, thoughtful stuff.
GSOM doesn’t force that choice on a newcomer right away. I’ve noticed that new posters feel extremely comfortable just coming on here and yammering right away, even more so than at other sports blogs. I think a lot of that’s due to how friendly the main page is, and I think that’s a very, very good thing… I wouldn’t want to see this place get cold and intimidating all of a sudden. But I think it’s also partly due to how low-investment the main page is. Just looking at the main page for the first time, you wouldn’t necessarily realize that this is a place with a lot of in-depth discussion.
One of the best main-page threads on here in recent months was jae’s Weighing The Rumor Stoudemire thread. That was a great thread not only because the discussion was excellent, but because the noise level was fairly low — there weren’t many new folks chiming in with eight words of gibberish. Why? Because there was a buttload of text on the front page. If you’re a first-time, unhelpful poster who just wants to hear yourself type, that text would’ve been a disincentive for you… you don’t want to have to read what somebody else thinks. You’d just move on to another thread, and maybe eventually, another site.
So I guess what I’m saying is this: you guys would probably have fewer headache posters if the main page felt a little less casual. More and denser text, fewer (and smaller) pictures, fewer polls. In-depth conversation will come more easily from newcomers if it’s made clear to them upon arrival that that’s what’s expected here. If you want a high level of discussion above all else, you need to signal that on that main page.
Of course, operating an online community is a delicate balancing act. You guys might feel that it’s not worth toning down the enthusiasm of the main page just to try to scare off some irritating posters, and if that’s how you feel, then more power to you. I’m not saying this is something you should do… after all, I enjoy the main page as it stands. But if you’re really eager to filter out the unhelpful, this is something you could do. It might make a real difference.
by onlxn on Jul 13, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1 (and a rec)
not having the baseball knowledge to really engage in debate with most of the MCC regulars my lurk/post ratio is much, much, much higher there than it is here. And that’s a good thing, I’ve learned a ton just by hanging around and am now starting feel a little more throwing my opinions out there in non-game day threads there. Newcomers with dumb ideas are usually shot down in a much more brutal manner there than the Commodus thumbs down, Dikembe finger wag or even the thorough jae-spanking you’ll receive here. I don’t know if thats the kind of atmosphere Atma and co. want to build around here, but it is certainly effective, the average post quality, and average discussion quality is much higher there than it is here. I hadn’t really thought about it before, but O-N does make a great point about how the front page might actually be TOO inviting. I know that when I started here I definitely should’ve been taking the same approach I take at MCC and reading jae, DFiB, Sleepy and the rest of the GSoM vets a whole lot more and posting less.
Thing A
Great thoughts man
To tell you the truth I’ve long realized/ thought/ believed what you eloquently dissected, but was somewhat afraid to say it:
I’ve noticed that new posters feel extremely comfortable just coming on here and yammering right away, even more so than at other sports blogs. I think a lot of that’s due to how friendly the main page is, and I think that’s a very, very good thing… I wouldn’t want to see this place get cold and intimidating all of a sudden. But I think it’s also partly due to how low-investment the main page is. Just looking at the main page for the first time, you wouldn’t necessarily realize that this is a place with a lot of in-depth discussion.
I’ve honestly been long conflicted on what to do about that. The visual jazz is part of what makes this place “Unstoppable Baby!” and the goofy picture captions are simply in our DNA dating back to the GSW BLOG days, but unless you “make the jump” you’re missing the meat of the whole piece.
Here’s my take and maybe you’ll agree:
- I don’t think we lose sharp readers and in-depth discussion from the current front page “attractive clutter” and all the “depth” pushed below the fold. Folks who want to read and actually discuss something substantive do so.
- But I do think we attract a lot of nonsense/ noise/ spam/ trolling because of the visual fun. At least in my articles I can really quickly spot the commenters who obviously ONLY looked at the picture and voted in the poll (most of which are intended to be humorus/ fun- nothing more, nothing less) before posting their spam/ trollishness/ junk. The worst are the people who say “i didnt that piece, but ur dumb”. Honestly these guys just seem they like to hear themselves talk… a lot.
To corroborate your thoughts compare this article I wrote with no picture The Mullin Myths: Chris Mullin made the Warriors a franchise players wanted to join to the usual comment sections.
I’ll add that the size of the front page pics will be decreasing soon. It’s out of our hands, but soon…
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think we lose sharp readers and in-depth discussion from the current front page "attractive clutter" and all the "depth" pushed below the fold. Folks who want to read and actually discuss something substantive do so.
Yeah, I think that’s exactly right. The current main page attracts everyone — people who want to talk thoughtfully (good) and other folks (not always good).
But I do think we attract a lot of nonsense/ noise/ spam/ trolling because of the visual fun. At least in my articles I can really quickly spot the commenters who obviously ONLY looked at the picture and voted in the poll (most of which are intended to be humorus/ fun- nothing more, nothing less) before posting their spam/ trollishness/ junk. The worst are the people who say "i didnt that piece, but ur dumb". Honestly these guys just seem they like to hear themselves talk… a lot.
Yep, and obviously finding the right balance is difficult. GSOM is a kinda jazzy, hyped-up site by nature… that’s part of the fun.
To corroborate your thoughts compare this article I wrote with no picture “The Mullin Myths: Chris Mullin made the Warriors a franchise players wanted to join” to the usual comment sections.
Absolutely. I mean, Atma, you and I obviously disagree about a lot of Dubs-related issues, but you write good, interesting, passionate stuff about the team. Whether people like it or don’t, agree with it or don’t, there’s real substance there — anybody who wants to enter the conversation is going to have to really engage and communicate. I think it’s always good to have some substance showing on the main page, like an official warning: “you will be expected to think at some point”.
by onlxn on Jul 13, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s always good to have some substance showing on the main page, like an official warning: "you will be expected to think at some point".
This is a good point. The answer might not be to remove the fun pictures and polls, but maybe to leave more of the meat of the article before the jump.
I’d bet that tons of people here read what’s visible on the front page and then instead of clicking the “continue reading” button (or whatever it is) they click the “comments” button and skip the substantive stuff altogether.
Definitely something for Atma and co. to think about. You’ve raised some really interesting points. Rec.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 14, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Thus, the percentage of bad posts at McCovey Chronicles is extremely low,
cause compared to basketball folks baseball folks are mostly stiffs
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The average front page article on GSOM takes up FAR more space than the average front page article on most SBNation sites
Can you name a couple of sites that take up less space on the front? I’d like to look and compare.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 13, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you name a couple of sites that take up less space on the front? I’d like to look and compare.
Haha, Don’t wake me when you place the report on my desk, just slide it quietly into the waste basket.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 13, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If you are going to demand proper spelling than a simple
spell check program should be available. For a Mod to ban someone for not spelling correctly without having a spell check option is not right. Also the manner in which 3 or 4 guys on this board play GOD is not right. Freedom of speech still counts for something, If someone is not swearing, threatening, being racists, or breaking some law then one guy should not have the ability to play GOD and arbitrarily ban someone for some minor infraction or he does not appreciate someone’s prose.
Another serious issue? The same 3 or 4 guys think they know it all. You know who you are. Seems if someone takes a point of view not popular with these 3 or 4 guys then they they gang up and bully on that poster. To me that is a much better reason to be banned than mispelling the word proze!
Lastly, something we could all appreciate. Please split games into 2 halves like our friends at Blazer’s Edge do. When we get a subject that is poplular or a game it is such a hassle posting with the studder and delay that happens when we are over 700 or 800 posts. This site is obviously getting more and more popular as we witnessed the other night with over 1200 posts for a Summer league game. Now where’s the spell check when you need it.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 13, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions
There is spell check. If you spell something wrong it has a red line under it.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Most browsers have a spell check feature built into them. Firefox certainly does and I believe IE does as well, though they may be disabled. A google search should explain how they work if they’re not enabled on your browser.
Re: Most browsers have a spell check feature built into them
The IT security at work only supports IE 6 for security reasons. If I submit a horribly misspelled comment, 95% of the time I am posting from work. The other half is pitching.
No matter what, spell check doesn’t account for the dreaded wrong homophone. No homo.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 14, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
When we get a subject that is poplular or a game it is such a hassle posting with the studder and delay that happens when we are over 700 or 800 posts
That’s interesting. What browser are you using? I haven’t seen any stuttering or delay with a long open thread. I’m on Firefox 3.0. The only time I get annoyed is images posted during an open thread, and only on my older laptop.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 13, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
i m sorry for being annoying sometimes (on your older laptop) :)
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 13, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
i m sorry for being annoying sometimes
Hi Lat, Come on in and have a drink. Beautiful evening over here in the west side of the USA
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 13, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on in and have a drink
LOL -i’d love to -but unfortunately -i’ve got to go to my job
but we can have some drinking session in regular season weekend game -trough the net -something like Pozner and Donahue once did
:)
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I might be able to go so far as to say you're becoming my favorite GSoM member.
Mostly because you seem to like to say silly things which gives me more material for my comedy set. Ready, set, here I go!
spell check program should be available.
As others have pointed out, most web browsers (if not all) have that feature integrated within them. Also, as others have pointed out, we can’t control all the software behind SB Nation. That’s for SB Nation to handle. I’ll personally suggest that to someone in the higher ups just to statisfy you CDC or DCD or DDD or CCC or…man, you have had a lot of accounts!
News to me. I don’t see a redd line
I don’t see a redd line either. I do see a red line.
Also the manner in which 3 or 4 guys on this board play GOD is not right. Freedom of speech still counts for something, If someone is not swearing, threatening, being racists, or breaking some law then one guy should not have the ability to play GOD and arbitrarily ban someone for some minor infraction or he does not appreciate someone’s prose.
Another serious issue? The same 3 or 4 guys think they know it all. You know who you are. Seems if someone takes a point of view not popular with these 3 or 4 guys then they they gang up and bully on that poster. To me that is a much better reason to be banned than mispelling the word proze!
I’m going to go ahead and assume I’m one of those “3 of 4 guys” you’re referring to, which in turns gives me a chance to point out some great moments I’ve had interacting with you. Let me first go on record by saying I’ve never made the claim that I “know it all.” Nor has any other mod. Where you get that from is beyond me.
I have no problem with you asserting your point of view if it’s coherent and logical. If it’s not, I think it’s fair game to point that out to you and question it. Same goes for me and hey, it happens. If I make a claim like “Rob Kurz was the best player on the team last year and we should never have let him go” then I damn well better have good reasoning behind it. Turns out I never made that claim – I just supported the guy for his work ethic and attitude.
Which brings me on to Exhibit A. I have compiled a short list of my favorite comments posted by you with a little analysis by me, R Dizzle. I do not say this to put you down or make you feel bad, but merely to point out one of the many reasons you have had many accounts banned, and some of the efforts that were put out to show you the problems that I for one was having with your comments.
From the FanShot, Rob Kurz – Free Agent Bargains ?! (good example of what a FanShot should be)
Just shows you how dumb bloggers can be
I looked up the word “irony” in the dictionary and this comment was the definition.
When I tried to read Adam’s rant
it went on and on rambling incoherranty in a manner similar to his little buddy Timmy K. Pretty much sounded like the teachers voice on Charlie Brown,,,,,waaa,,,waaa,,,waaaa. I agree with your rebuttal almost 100%. even the props you sent out to Corey as a 6th man. Not sure how one can make a trade for a star player without sending out some of our own talent. Apparently Adam doesn’t get it.
I don’t quite know what it means to ramble “incoherrantly” and I highly doubt Tim Kawakami is Adam L’s “little buddy,” but this little tidbit of silliness shows your inability to read something thoroughly, understand it, and come up with intelligent comments in return. You basically said nothing as to what your problems with Adam’s articles were, you merely stated that he “doesn’t get it.” Referring to Mr. Kawakami as “Timmy K?” That’s not very respectful man. Think what you want about his work and what he says, but the guy writes about sports for a living and I believe he does it damn well. He’s a great guy and very responsive. Also, let me ask you this – do you do sports writing for a living? Do you have the journalism creds he does? I sure as hell don’t – that’s why I don’t knock on people that do. You have a different opinion – that’s cool. Express that COHERENTLY and discuss it. That’s exactly what this blog is about, discussion.
Now, let me move on to what I call the Holy Grail of your work.
On the thread, Golden State Warriors 1st Round Draft History and Just My Imagination,
You can do this with every team in the league. Its the nature of looking
back at any draft. Every team chooses the wrong guy. Also,,,, we drafted Gibert Arenas so I don’t know why he is on this list.
Which essentially missed the whole point of the article. As I so eloquently put it,
Read to Achieve Indeed
But I’m going to assume that those two guys still won’t get it.
Don’t get me wrong. I love that J-Rich pick, but what would have happened if the Warriors had Agent Zero on contract beyond his sophomore season? It wouldn’t matter that Cohan couldn’t look him in the eye.
Hey even better- what if the Warriors actually kept both J-Rich and Arenas?
Dungeneess Crab Dribble and mcwalter44, let me introduce you to the concept of NBA Rookie contracts.
(a) Each Rookie Scale Contract between a Team and a First Round Pick shall cover a period of two (2) Seasons, but shall have an Option in favor of the Team for the player’s third Season and a second Option in favor of the Team for the player’s fourth Season.
First Round draft pick = more money and longer contract.
Whereas, Gibert Arenas was a 2nd round pick, received MUCH less money and was only on contract with the Warriors for 2 years. Depending on where you get drafted, you get more money and longer contract.
Therefore, IF we had chosen Gilbert Arenas in the 1st round instead of J-Rich (which is what is being said there) we would have had Agent Zero longer. Notice the whole piece is about hypothetical situations.
Thus, ask yourself, who would you rather have for 4 years coming into the league – JRich or Arenas?
Read to achieve my friends!
Now now, I know what you’re thinking…why am I bringing up all this old stuff? Am I trying to be mean? Is there a point to this? Is there some witty joke coming ahead that I cannot see with my eyes wide open? Of course there is! Let me continue…
You entertained a response of
Oh right! Yeah alot of teams draft
2nd round talent int he 1st round. Great logic drizzle! Sure fire way to get fired as a GM. Hey lets surprise everyone and draft a 2nd round pcik with our lottery pick. Your brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To which my good buddy jae chimed in with,
Reading the intial post FAIL:
Oh right! Yeah alot of teams draft 2nd round talent int he 1st round. Great logic drizzle! Sure fire way to get fired as a GM. Hey lets surprise everyone and draft a 2nd round pcik with our lottery pick.
I would really suggest that you go back and read Atma’s post and R. Dizzle’s reply before you decide what either actually said. It does not appear that you did either.
Your brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no longer irony when someone insults (even sarcastically) the intelligence of another poster while simultaneously demonstrating that he himself doesn’t know some rather basic rules of English grammar. If you’re going to insult someone’s intelligence, don’t simultaneously put on display your own failings.
I too had my own thoughts,
You never cease to amaze me with your ridiculous comments. Before you continue, work on your grammar and spelling that way you can actually sound moderately (used very loosely) intelligent.
The whole point of the article was "What if…" so yes, 2nd round talent in the 1st round is a possibility when considered "what if…"
Your original statement was
Also,,,, we drafted Gibert Arenas so I don’t know why he is on this list.
I just told you why he was on the list.
Now now my GSoM friends, it gets better. Much better. Later on in that thread, you point out
agreed, but don’t try to tell drizzle and his sidekick jae, aka mini me.
Coupla things – who’s drizzle, why is jae his sidekick or his “mini me,” and why did you not respond to MY comments after?
You have lost your mind, DCD.
But about that ESPN Insider article, D.R.A.F.T. Initiative: The Warriors’ way, does claim that we have made great draft choices over the last 20 years.
The NBA teams that have drafted well over the past 20 years and won because of it have several common traits: a definitive style of play, a stable front office and patient ownership.
The Golden State Warriors offer evidence of what you get when only a definitive style of play prevails. First of all, there isn’t that much winning, no matter how exciting the style.
Which is the exact problem – ISN’T THAT MUCH WINNING.
The result is almost cruel for its fan base: Five former Warriors played in the 1997 All-Star game. Four of them — Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, Tim Hardaway and Chris Webber — had been drafted by Golden State. Actual Warriors All-Stars gained from dealing the five?
None.
All Stars or not, it doesn’t really matter when we trade them away for nothing productive.
Either way, you’re right, over the last 20 years, we drafted well – but over the Cohan era, it sure as hell does not look like we did – which was what this was about…
And the main take home point from the ESPN article,
The Warriors have had a particularly hard time standing pat. The blame ultimately lands on owner Cohan, who bought controlling interest in the team in 1994 and has presided over nine coaching changes in 15 seasons.
Again, what this article by AB1 is about. But you knew that didn’t you, Dungeness? You sure don’t need me, R DIZZLE or my sidekick jae (where did you possibly get this from? He knows more than me…), to point this out seeing as though, as you so eloquently put it,
Your brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think I’m done? Turns out I got one more Hall of Fame “crab” comment. A week and half later, I found this gem of a comment on the Thread entitled "RUMOR: Warriors owner Chris Cohan “highly likely” to sell"
Atam! your a laughing stock
to keep printiing Kawakami’s puke. Whjy do you do this? is he paying you? Must be!
Again, a few things. Who’s “Atam?” Is that a reference to Radioactive Man with his slogan – Up and At Them!
“Kawakami’s puke?” Really? If his articles were what he vomited, I would suggest that he go see a doctor because I don’t think that’s normal. In fact, that would probably make him extraordinary, like an X-Men or something. What a crazy power…
“Wjy do you do this? is he paying you? Must be!” Let me get this straight, you think because GSoM occasionaly links to Mr. Kawakami’s work someone at GSoM is taking money from him? By that logic, Yahoo, ESPN, Comcast Sports, heck, the WARRIORS would be paying us too! To my knowledge none of those places are doing that, so let me go on record by saying your assumption is wrong.
Now for my favorite part of your comment. Again, remember this was a week and half AFTER the last thread I just pointed out.
“your a laughing stock”
I think I’ll just leave it there.
That was much more fun than our Funleavy Foto Fun articles!
Let me go on record that I have no problems with you disagree with my analysis, thoughts or comments about the team of players. That’s what this is for. In fact, one of my favorite readers, Sleepy Freud, has done so and once we hashed out our little problems (that was fun wasn’t it?) we got along. Heck, he even gave me a great nickname! Point being, I got no problems with criticism as long as it has some substance behind it. If you have some real thoughts, go for it man. Let’s have a cordial discourse. But I refuse to stand for comments such as
Your brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, let me drop a little analogy for you. I have learned from past experiences that when you get a girl in your life, things go well for a little while. You have a great “honeymoon” beginning, you’re really into each other, and you have a lot of fun. Eventually, problems start occurring, things don’t get solved, and you break up. It’s natural.
Here’s the most frustrating part though – sometimes it’s not a clean break. Sometimes it goes bad. REAL bad. When it does, both parties get upset, names start being called, dumb comments start being made, emo music starts being played, blog posts about a Disneyland trip and a comparison to a certain Disney witch are made and then the article is e-mailed to the girl, said girl gets pissed, she changes her number, moves out of town, tells the guy to go “duck himself” and that he’s nothing but “a loser that writes for a losing team’s blog,” and the two are just at a point where they aren’t on speaking terms every again. They just can’t ever get along again. There’s nothing more in what was there – it’s just time to move on. It’s sad, very sad. But that’s just the way it is.
The whole point of the rant – you’ve been given a bunch of warnings with reasoning behind them. You’ve had multiple accounts that have been banned. You’ve been called out on your “silliness” on numerous occasions. It’s sad, very sad. But that’s just the way it is.
Think it’s time to move on?
We still believe!!
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Atma,
you banned me for one comment about trading josh howard and dampier’s expiring contract for jackson and maggette.
I thought that was extremely harsh. I’m still not over it , and also the last warning i had gotten for that account was at least a month or two before . It wasn’t like i was constantly being a problem(i still don’t understand why my J-ho and Damp comment got me banned) but if i got an explanation maybe i would feel a little better.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
See that's where this is frustrating-- montadaboss + LostHawk + jchao204 + 123707THIZZ
You weren’t banned for writing about that trade proposal, etc.. You were all banned for ignoring dozens of warnings and repeating the same mistakes- over and over and over x12 again. I have a hard time believing you even read the warnings or else you wouldn’t keep making the same dumb (yes they were dumb) mistakes over and over again.
There comes a point where you’re just wasting my time. To tell you the truth if you’re “still not over it” you should probably go elsewhere.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It feels like your taking this personal Atma
I wasn’t complaining in my post somewhere up above where i mentioned grammar. I haven’t gotten a warning sense being allowed back so I think I’ve been doing better. I love this site, the reason I’ve been asking about banning is cause I don’t want to have it happen again. If we didn’t care to still be on this site i don’t think we’d bother asking these questions.
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you guys put down posters like this? I am a troller now? I am arrogant and naive? Maybe you are the one that is being arrogant and naive. A system that I am describing is easily coded, it is not something you would have to sift through, etc.
Also, clearly I have worked hard to make sure my writing is not being trolling/misspelled/grammatically incorrect. But you do realize people have lives and come onto the internet to relax and not be attacked and put down/harassed. Is it alright for your members to be afraid to log on because they do not want to see a warning/ban?
This is a community of people who are passionate about the same thing. Lets not forget that. Attacking people who are supporters of you and your cause is just plain disgraceful. You are not the only one who does this, JAE is notorious for doing so. Some of his posts really seem like he is trying to be condescending to people, when he could easily put things in a much lighter way while still making the same point.
Like THIZZ said, we wouldn’t be asking these questions if we did not wish to be on this site and support it. We just want to make this a better place/environment that is enjoyable for everyone.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jul 13, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes you have spammed and trolled on this site plenty of times. Hence the multiple banned accounts. This is not that difficult.
We just want to make this a better place/environment that is enjoyable for everyone.
Great! Then actually read the warnings, make the appropriate changes (which you’re right you have- so I’m not sure why you’re still harping on all of this), and move on.
This is not that difficult- at all.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Why I’m harping on this is because you basically attacked me for a simple suggestion. You and JAE both seem to be very condescending in many of your posts when replying to people. Other MODS have no problem replying in a much more respectful way.
Here’s a better idea
Instead of wasting space here trying to design this mythical great Warning system and process, folks can just improve their commenting/ FanPosts/ FanShots, etc or just go elsewhere. This really isn’t that hard.
The first step is of course formulating that GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0 document which is the whole point of this.
Are you guys really that arrogant and naive to think the other writers or I want to or have the time to sit back here and actually sift through all the garbage you guys have posted and give you guys infinite chances over an indefinite span of time? Again you’re wasting our time. Please be mindful of that.
Look if it comes down to us having to hide/ remind/ warn a poster numerous times about the same thing over and over again versus just straight up banning them (as they’re probably contributing next to nothing to the quality of this community), then it’s a ban. The only regret was we didn’t do it sooner.
This is not condescending and insulting? Come on now, I’m just trying to give a suggestion.
Then again here:
With title:You weren’t banned for writing about that trade proposal, etc.. You were all banned for ignoring dozens of warnings and repeating the same mistakes- over and over and over x12 again. I have a hard time believing you even read the warnings or else you wouldn’t keep making the same dumb (yes they were dumb) mistakes over and over again.
There comes a point where you’re just wasting my time. To tell you the truth if you’re "still not over it" you should probably go elsewhere.
You brought me up, felt I had to respond. Being condescending to fans of your website as well as members of a community of GSW fans isn’t good. I’m just trying to say that you can be a lot nicer about things the way R Dizzle, FJ, Yao, Tony and Hash all seem to have no problem doing.
Just a suggestion.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jul 14, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
i got a warning the second i created this account
literally i logged in the first time and i had a warning. it seems like you just don’t like certain posters and if you disagree you warn them. What was i banned for.
Banned for an obvious display of not reading what other people write before commenting and hurting the quality of the comments section on GSoM.
Really. That seems like your own opinion. How did I not read the comments above. They were saying how we should try a maggette for dampier trade so i said hb this because everyone was suggesting another trade.
I think thats why I’m “still not over it”.
How am I wasting your time. There are thousands of people on this blog and you seem to be one of the only who overeacts to someones comments.
I remember getting warnings in december and january for maybe profanity or bad grammar but why would i be banned for this.
This is almost communism. You control our thoughts and what we want to say even if we aren’t being bad just not what you personally like.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
it seems like you just don’t like certain posters and if you disagree you warn them. What was i banned for… This is almost communism. You control our thoughts and what we want to say even if we aren’t being bad just not what you personally like.
The funny thing is it’s fairly obvious from those inane lines you posted that either you’re not taking the time to actually read what people are saying in this thread or your reading comprehension skills are just terrible. I believe it’s the case of the former, rather than the latter- which is even worse. This is simply an effort and respect issue.
Seems like even more evidence for that ban:
Banned for an obvious display of not reading what other people write before commenting and hurting the quality of the comments section on GSoM.
My over/ under on your next ban is about week.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That's your opinion
Why do you have to be so condescending.
The funny thing is it’s fairly obvious from those inane lines you posted that either you’re not taking the time to actually read what people are saying in this thread or your reading comprehension skills are just terrible. I believe it’s the case of the former, rather than the latter- which is even worse. This is simply an effort and respect issue.
The funny thing is I am thE one reading peoples comments and alot of
people are fed up about thie things I am complaining about.
My over/ under on your next ban is about week.
Another thing we are talking about. Your condescending look upon everyone needs to stop. We all know you have a massive ego. Most bloggers do, but you are forcing your massive ego onto us. You pick favorites among the GSom crowd and don’t do this but when Its normal people like me. you come on my blog posts and always disagree with me. I don’t remember one of my posts that you don’t come on to only post something trying to say I’m stupid. And that last My over/ under on your next ban is about week. was really rude and I’d wish you could just stop. You’ve ruined my experience on this blog. I hate looking at Tim Kawakami everyday coming from you. You only post it because he puts what you say sometimes on his blog(evidence of your alpha male ego). You probably are gonna ban me or block this comment but you want me to agree with you all the time and it’s very hard to do so with someone like you. I appreciate everyones work on gsom even if I disagree with what they say because we all have one common mission: to discuss warrior basketball with educated and opinionated people and most of all…. Have fun!!!! You don’t allow very many of us to do that. The other admins do but you sir do not. Thanks for not banning me yet atma brother 1. You are so generous.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
An idea:
Warnings should “disappear” over time based on time/posts.
Just an idea, this would help reduce any bans that occur if someone makes one mistake in a month and another two months later causing them to get banned even if they have posted one hundred or so non-problem causing posts.
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Here's a better idea
Instead of wasting space here trying to design this mythical great Warning system and process, folks can just improve their commenting/ FanPosts/ FanShots, etc or just go elsewhere. This really isn’t that hard.
The first step is of course formulating that GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0 document which is the whole point of this.
Are you guys really that arrogant and naive to think the other writers or I want to or have the time to sit back here and actually sift through all the garbage you guys have posted and give you guys infinite chances over an indefinite span of time? Again you’re wasting our time. Please be mindful of that.
Look if it comes down to us having to hide/ remind/ warn a poster numerous times about the same thing over and over again versus just straight up banning them (as they’re probably contributing next to nothing to the quality of this community), then it’s a ban. The only regret was we didn’t do it sooner.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Atma, the solution is not to tell people to go elsewhere
The value in the site is in its visitors. This is a community. You should be welcoming all with open arms. Not making this some narrowminded exclusive site, run by dictators.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 13, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The value in the site is in its visitors. This is a community.
You’re absolutely right. I agree 100%.
But there is ZERO value in coming from the spammers and trollers or folks posting text message quality comments.
Not making this some narrowminded exclusive site, run by dictators.
With all the diversity in viewpoints amongst the blog authors and regular posters that’s obviously not the case. Even suggesting that this community is "narrowminded" is very silly.
I wrote this the other day, but I’ll repeat it:
"No Freedom of Speech"
Censoring or violating people’s freedom of speech would be like me deleting comments from and banning regulars like Olympic Mike, Sleepy Freud, Oixn, Zack Yank, etc who routinely put up fantastic counter-arguments to my pieces, just because they don’t agree with my stance. Obviously that doesn’t happen and it’s never happened.
Asking people to post thoughtful comments and act like solid citizens or else asking them to go elsewhere? No, that’s not violating anyone’s freedom of speech. That’s striving to keep this a high quality community with great discussions.
Is it elitist that we ask people to formulate substantive comments with at least a good faith attempt at proper grammar and mechanics (a little evidence of thoughtfulness) in the comments/ FanPosts/ FanShots? (Doesn’t really apply to the game threads though.)
Maybe so (although that’s a pretty extreme viewpoint), but I’d rather have a high quality community with a ton of diverse viewpoints articulated really well compared to some run-of-the-mill message board. You can find that anywhere on the web, but what we’re aiming for and what we’ve always aimed for here is something different. It’s something special.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 Supporting the movement
I really like the ideas put forth and think that filtering is good as I do enjoy the mature posts,instead of crazy trade ideas, etc.
by djnoname on Jul 13, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it elitist that we ask people to formulate substantive comments with at least a good faith attempt at proper grammar and mechanics
you’re not asking though. you’re DEMANDING that we use proper grammar and mechanics. and how is it in good faith when all you do is call our posts garbage or dumb? you can’t insult someone’s way of writing and debating and then turn around and say it was in “good faith.” total BS if you ask me. sorry, that’s not an excuse to make fun of someone. and whether you believe it or not, some people CAN articulate their ideas in a mere text message. some people don’t need to create gigantic pieces of writing to get their message across.
why do the people here feel they need to conform to your standards when all you do is put them down?
Exactly
Your lack of conscience in how you talk tO people is very disturbing. You would prefer to say something on terms with" haha you are wrong ,stupid, and a disgrace to this site." I hate coming to this blog when you are in charge. You still haven’t answered my question on why and how I was warned within 5 minutes of making my account. That shows this is truly a personal problem between ATMA and posters he doesn’t agree with or like.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell you what.
Maybe you can give me an answer to this question I posted later in the thread.
And I mentioned this a bit earlier…but, why do people sign up for more accounts after being banned? I’m pretty the whole point of banning an account is so that you can’t participate in the blog, not so that you can just get a slap on the wrist so you’ll have to go through the trouble of making another account.
Seems fairly simple to me – you get banned (for whatever reason), somebody doesn’t really want you around.
Please help me understand this conundrum.
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YOU and ATMA dont want us around
us the users of the site have no problem with each other and stand bye each other when we get banned. and we keep signing up because we love talking to other true fans who just want to talk about our team. your politics wont stop us from recreating our profiles.
I am
because I was unfairly banned therefore, I question it and Atma can’t answer with a decent answer because he doesn’t have one. He just dislikes people.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Even suggesting that this community is “narrowminded” is very silly.
We’re not talking about the community. We are talking about you.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Just one question everyone
Who’s going to take the first stab at writing the GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0? Any volunteers?
You guys have pretty much convinced me that we should allow the “+1’s” as dumb as they do seem to me without a “rec hit” or an accompanying substantive comment. They still feel like a wasted comment to me, but you guys make some interesting points for why they’re important.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 13, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions
Where are the current Community Guildelines?
I don’t see anything like that linked from the front page.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
oh haha, never mind
it was at the top of this fanpost
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Who’s going to take the first stab at writing the GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0? Any volunteers?
If this job is too stressful for you….which it obviously is. Why don’t you leave.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
They still feel like a wasted comment to me
and show a certain lack of creativity ?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
A few belated thoughts...
Grammar & Spelling. I sympathize with posters who feel a bit like they’re walking on eggshells these days when they write. This place is supposed to be fun, and I wouldn’t want people to have to break out Webster’s every time they posted. I’ve always been a pretty good speller, maybe partially cos I’m a “visual person,” but at school there were always people who were poor spellers but way smarter than me in most other respects. Still: imperfect spelling and grammar is one thing, but making no effort is another. As I’ve said before (to Skeptic, who disagrees with me on this) I liken that stuff to the cyberspace equivalent of brushing your teeth and taking a shower every day. It might not seems “necessary” in terms of making yourself understood, but not to do it somehow seems offputting and disrespectful. This doesn’t mean everyone has to write perfect, formal English prose — that would be the cyber-equivalent of wearing a suit and tie, and obviously this ain’t that kind of place. But some basic cyberhygiene is always, well, “nice,” for lack of a better word.
“Democracy.” Yeah, as a system of government it may be the least loathsome option, but fundamentally I don’t think it works that well on a website like this. Though I would never want this place to become elitist and dry, I think some kind of easy-to-obtain membership would be hugely helpful. The Red Sox Sons of Sam Horn website, for example, has a “sandbox” where everyone can post, but keeps most of the other forums members-only (and read-only for members). The mods and members hang out in the sandbox regularly and nominate promote lurkers and noobs. Not sure it would work at all with the SBN system, but it would instantly increase signal-to-noise ratio here and make it more fun and readable place for all.
Riffing, one-liners, and +1s. As much as I like serious hoops talk, I wouldn’t want this place to become too “substantive.” The riffing, the funny pix, and the one liners are part what I love about this place. If I just wanted dry basketball discussion, I could easily jump ship for Lauridsen’s Fastbreak. The fact that I have never done that (even at the height of my li’l feud with AB1) shows me that this place has a jazzy vibe and an energy that that place just doesn’t. I’m all good with tightening the screws, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Graphics. Still probably my biggest issue with this place. I know I harp on it constantly, but man, if this site had 1/100th of the graphic finesse the Reid Miles/BlueNote cover at the top of this diary, I would be a happy camper. I still think the banner heading looks more suited to a computer repair store in Redwood City than the edgy 21st century urban hoops site it’s meant to be. The Bluenote aesthetic may be a bit old-school for this place, but what about using Tony.psd and the other rad designers/artists here to create something that look more like the genius Macrophenomal Pro Basketball Almanac by FreeDarko? Or just a banner header as simple, clean, and contemporary looking as that of Fear the Beard? Without even reading the content, you know from the graphics alone that you’re dealing with thought-provoking, state-of-the-art hoops and/or hoops-related talk. The thought-provoking state-of the art hoops bloggers here at GSoM deserve way better than their stupid and generic SBN graphic “cage.”
And of course there’s the ads …. I mean, I know they pay the bills, but all the jumpy plugs for Asian wives and “your medieval fantasy sex slave awaits” and Mickey D’s government-subsdized high-fructose corn syrup product make this site extremely unpleasant to look at. And it’s not just about aesthetics — many of the ads here are borderline NSFW. Or at least, unsafe enough that I’m embarrassed when I’m spotted with them on my screen. After logging on, I often find myself scrolling down quickly to the bottom of threads which are blessedly quiet and advertising-free.
Anyway, blah blah. (You asked…) My bottom line, to Atma, FJ, RDiz, JAE and the crew: as much as I’m in awe of all the hard work you’ve put into building this place, I think you seriously need to consider eventually dumping your SBN overlords and starting your own gig. Maybe bring Lauridsen, Kawakami (say what you want, he’s entertaining and passionate), Marcus Thompson, et al into the fold? Pick the artists and writers and look and interface you want, and the advertisers you feel comfortable supporting. Then you might truly be “unstoppable, baby,” in the LeBron sense rather than the Marc Jackson sense. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
As I’ve said before (to Skeptic, who disagrees with me on this)
Only because the most interesting people I meet often talk different. Would you have banned baumerworld cause he talked funny? When the boyz from the hood wanta pickup game I might not understand everything they say but I’m down.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously, I’m totally cool with talking and writing different. I love the variety of voices and styles on this site. I’m really talking about laziness, not difference in style. Usually it’s pretty easy to distinguish between the two. To use your pickup game example: It’s one thing to talk the way you wanna talk on the court; it’s another to lazily hurl up 40-footers, never pass the ball, and go chat with the ladies while your teammates are hustling back on D.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 14, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Still: imperfect spelling and grammar is one thing, but making no effort is another.
I agree completely and it would be great if it were treated in that manner.
My issue is with the practice of posting a reply to a comment for the sole purpose of correcting the poster when the one misspelled word or wrong choice of homophone does not in any way distort or convolute the idea that the commenter is trying to convey. That kind of correction, IMO, is more noise than signal.
That is my one and only complaint with the mods, fellow posters and current state of GSoM in general, now that the Fanposts are being proactively purged.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 15, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Cussing Policy?
I, myself, don’t cuss that much, especially on forums and sites. However, as a sports discussion site I think you [mods] should be more lenient on people cussing, especially if there is no intent to put down other people. McCovey Chronicles is lenient in this way and I’d like to know what your views are on this topic.
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No swearing
In version 1.0 of the guidelines we said it was okay to swear in the case of some miraculous game winning shot, but unfortunately I think there needs to be a no swearing at all policy. I could see a tiny minority of spammers/ trollers/ lazy posters (you know who you are) completing abusing that. Also, there’s plenty of young readers on this site and this has always been a family show, so I don’t think profanity is really appropriate.
I can see why swearing works on McCovey Chronicles (great community), but I really don’t think it’ll work here. If anything allowing swearing will lower the quality of the comments and increase our workload behind the scenes.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
there’s plenty of young readers on this site and this has always been a family show
wouldn’t it make more sense to make it an adult show and free yourself from that problem?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
If it were an adult show, I wouldn’t be able to participate.
I agree – no swearing policy. What’s the point? It just shows that you have no other means of communicating your thoughts. You’ll make a much bigger point by saying something eloquently rather than “OMG STFU U F&^&Q!^# A#&@#(!!!!”
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While I agree that often cussing indicates a lack of other means of communicating, I feel like I’d be remiss not to cite the immortal words of George Carlin on the subject.
That’s what they told us they were, remember? “That’s a bad word!”
No bad words.
Bad thoughts, bad intentions …. and words.
Full text is here. A slightly reworked live version from ’78 here. Still one of the smartest takes ever on the whole idea of “dirty words.”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No Swearing
I agree. You should be banned unless it is on a game thread.
But why ban someone because they disagree with you.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
But why ban someone because they disagree with you.
That has never happened.
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(It’s a little annoying when someone keeps repeating something isn’t it? Well at least I was repeating something that was true.)
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You can say that.
But i just don’t believe you.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
i think atma and his possy have lost all support
until they prove other wise that they can open there mind and see were not the problem and they are. i think there in shock that they found out were not as loyal to them as they thought
by possy im saying him r dizzle (i thought you were cool but not so much right now) and jae(same reason as r dizzle)
what makes me enjoy the site is the people on it, not people policing it
Ok if it is not you then I will not accuse you (just I have seen some comments about you)
If it really was not you I am sorry and I apoligize.
I’m going to go ahead and piggy back jae on that – when have I been “policing?”
Furthermore, seems like you’re a bit upset about the question I posed. Fair enough. But what exactly are my “politics?” What exactly do you think I do – sit around, post warnings to people, and then ban them?
If that IS what you think, you are pretty mistaken. I’ll tell you what I do all day. I basically sit in front of the mirror and practice my stand up comedy for half the day, while the other half, I think of witty remarks to post on GSoM.
Let me just say that if I were to be banned from a website, I’d be pretty upset and never want to come back if it were warranted or not. Just wondering why you aren’t at that point.
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Cause I like the dubs that much, seriously
Look I have just seen some comments regarding you and jae and I am just backing up what they said and rephrasing it. I truly am sorry of wrongly accusing anyone. I am just upset about the distance between some moderators and users.
Look I have just seen some comments regarding you and jae and I am just backing up what they said and rephrasing it.
What the? How old are you again?
I am just upset about the distance between some moderators and users.
What is this distance and what are you talking about? (that’s really the question of the thread!) Do you mean physical distance? I’m sure there is physical distance between us. Do you mean an inability to communicate with us about your questions and concerns? Cause uh…that’s simply not the case. There are e-mail addresses you can correspond to (those little envelopes by the mods names at the bottoms) and for the most part, we respond to your comments in threads. In fact, my twitter account is even listed!
Also keep in mind, that it’s not like I can go about saying whatever nonsensical crap I want without having the same kind of repercussions that you have. If I started posting “GO GSW!!!!!! YOUR BRILLIANT!!!!!” in my posts, I’d get a talking to.
In fact, let me go on record by saing that I have had a talking to about one of my posts. When I have grammatical errors – I get called out on it. This has happened numerous times. When I write unprofessional things – I get called out on it too. It’s not like someone’s just “picking” on you and trying to give you hell. Only the All American Rejects would do that!
You should realize that I can also be banned. Cept if I get banned, my stuff doesn’t get posted on the main page anymore, and that happens, my life’s mission will be incomplete.
HUGE CONSEQUENCES.
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I basically sit in front of the mirror and practice my stand up comedy
wouldn’t it work better if you stood?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Found the problem. Thanks
Yeah ,you want them to laugh with you not at you.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Some thoughts for what they are worth.
For me the biggest issue is the warning system. I believe, but not sure as the warning does not describe or explain what it’s for, that I had a warning the other day for what I can only presume was a +1 response? Which I purely added as I had nothing to add to the posters comment, but simply that I agreed with it. But as the warning has no mention to the thread or the comment to which it relates, you do end up saying to yourself “what the hell was that for?”.
I appreciate the SBNation format is restricting this, but that’s where I then sit and wonder….what exactly does being part of SBNAtion bring you (other than income) if it actually restricts the style of the blog or in fact creates more work than needed, simply because there is no “edit” feature once you have posted.
I have been guilty on more than one occasion of getting truly quite excited about a subject matter and thus keen to get my thoughts down quickly and hit “post” possibly quicker than I should.
However in my defense, I have a keyboard of my laptop that sometimes chooses when a letter will appear on the screen, no matter how hard I have hit the key. Sometimes I miss it in my quick scan proof read and then once it is posted, it stands out like a sore thumb but then we cannot edit.
Equally I have re-read something and thought “that makes no sense” or “you idiot you posted the wrong stat”. Again a simple edit feature would help, but not having this feature by being part of SBNation affects the quality of the content.
TIME – Time is a real issue for people. Most people like the ability to check GSOM each day (I do) to see latest developments and comments/discussions. Due to work, or anything else, people may not have a huge amount of time to read/re-read to ensure quality and forcing people to do so, may make people post less. Whilst I understand the reasoning behind it, GSOM is almost like a living breathing animal at times and as such it often depicts people’s background and styles which leads me to my next point.
Blog Snobbery - People often get tarnished or opinionated on, due to their post/comments as to whether or not it is high quality or not? The question is, who decides what exactly is quality? For example, I often like to give my opinion or a view on something or throw up an idea as a fanpost to understand if my thoughts have merit or not, or whether maybe I could re-think my position on a subject matter. This means I can make a comment that the majority think is complete horse crap, OR I can take over 3 hours and write the largest ever REC’ed post in GSOM history? Yes, I can write quality journalist style pieces (having written many press releases in the past in Motorsport, it’s not hard, just time consuming) or I can make a much shorter piece that I simply dont have the time to write in a more “structured fashion”. The question is…who decides which of these is any less relevant? Too many people either get stuck in the view of “its my way or the highway” or “I dont agree with you, therefore your an idiot”. Which leads to my next point.
What I find truly find the most disappointing with GSOM is the manner in which the very people who make GSOM what it is (us the posters as well as the “crew”) get attacked pretty hard for what is perceived as quality or knowing what they are talking about. I have gone as far to point out that some people have been down right bloody rude in heir responses and there is frankly no need for it. Without the users of GSOM, this blog simply becomes a few guys personal views, nothing more, nothing less.
People DO need to conduct themselves on this blog as they would face to face with someone and remember that calling someone an idiot, to their face, has many more repercussions than those from a flat screen! I am extremely pleased to see one of the crew members has visibly reduced the personal attacks on other views and opinions and the respect this gains, actually ensures the reader bothers to read more substantial comments with more interest, rather than with a bad taste in the mouth.
I personally do not come to the site to listen to or read with any specific interest, indvidual crew bloggers here. You guys do a good job presenting info but I truly believe the whole structure of this blog could be taken to the next level by actually breaking away from SBNation to create once again an entity that is structured, formatted and styled to exactly what the membership wants. The “MASS” of GSOM membership is considerably bigger than the attraction to be part of SBNation. In reality, all the crew of GSOM are doing is making the owners of SBNation a great deal wealthier, by providing the content that will be part of the big “pay day” when SBNation is sold.
Do you really want to be part of that “Blog Content Mill” or would you not rather break away again and build your own partnerships with local press, the club itself, etc. Maybe the “Crew” should be thinking rather than building new rules for within the SBNation forum… But more along the lines of “GSOM 2.0” period…. Build something that has true value in it’s own right that stands alone and something that truly does have a unique quality to it….
THEN…. you start to build something of true value and “quality” which it seems is being looked for by the very nature of this thread?
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 14, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Great post Brit, as usual. “+1”
What I find truly find the most disappointing with GSOM is the manner in which the very people who make GSOM what it is (us the posters as well as the "crew") get attacked pretty hard for what is perceived as quality or knowing what they are talking about. I have gone as far to point out that some people have been down right bloody rude in heir responses and there is frankly no need for it. Without the users of GSOM, this blog simply becomes a few guys personal views, nothing more, nothing less.
That quote pretty much sums up my gripe with the GSoM crew, specifically Atma/JAE.
Hope your thoughts help bring everyone a step closer to the right direction!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Atma, banning users who have had great support on there posts and banning them for inproper grammar
just seems like a slap in the face. On my past three accounts I have posted fanposts less and less. My first account routinely hit over one hundred comments, my second account I tried to not really post much and still got banned, my third I don’t think if I remember correctly was to active as a poster and still got banned for grammar. What I am pointing out is some people are really commited to this site and you just disagreeing over and over and over again shows you really don’t care what we truly think and that you seem to think your opinion is the only one that truly matters. Just listen to what we have said and adjust your thinking and hold back on the constant bannings and warnings. You say were a community, but the way you have been acting lately is slowly splitting us apart.
Now here's what I don't get
And I mentioned this a bit earlier…but, why do people sign up for more accounts after being banned? I’m pretty the whole point of banning an account is so that you can’t participate in the blog, not so that you can just get a slap on the wrist so you’ll have to go through the trouble of making another account.
Seems fairly simple to me – you get banned (for whatever reason), somebody doesn’t really want you around.
Please help me understand this conundrum.
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Maybe because people want to participate in dialogue with other warrior fans? This is probably one of the best community of warrior fans to be on and it seems many of the people that have been banned have been long time members who are avid viewers that many regular posters recognize.
The biggest issue is that the changes were “stealth” changes to the policy. People started getting banned for acting exactly the way they had been acting for thousands of posts (years). Most of us still don’t understand the point of stealth changing the policy in order to ban people that a few of the GSoM staff did not like (did not like the way we conducted ourselves within posts).
Maybe if the bans weren’t because of stealth changes things would be different. If the majority of the people being banned weren’t people who were long time followers/supporters who had always conducted their debate in a certain way, things would also probably be different.
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Oh and, by the way,
there was also the issue of the warnings. I have copies of all of my warning. Atma/JAE continue to say that if we “just read the warnings you wouldn’t have these problems” but the issue here is that the warnings are extremely vague and don’t know which post they refer to.
“Banned for littering comments section with poor capitalization, spelling, and grammar after 2 warnings”
I even got a warning on this account for “continuing to do what I was banned for” (something like that) even though I had really worked on changing how I was writing comments.
Specifically (by Brit):
What I find truly find the most disappointing with GSOM is the manner in which the very people who make GSOM what it is (us the posters as well as the “crew”) get attacked pretty hard for what is perceived as quality or knowing what they are talking about. I have gone as far to point out that some people have been down right bloody rude in heir responses and there is frankly no need for it. Without the users of GSOM, this blog simply becomes a few guys personal views, nothing more, nothing less.
Really, doing a stealth change to essentially ban many regular members was very shady. Please read Brit’s post (up higher), it really sums up a lot of why many regular posters are very frustrated with what has gone down.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Atma/JAE continue to say that if we "just read the warnings you wouldn’t have these problems"
“LostHawk”, I have not sent you a warning nor banned you. Please do not pretend that I have. I have never told you to pay any attention to warnings or sent you warnings at all. If you object to something that I did, make note of it. If you object to something that Atma did, make note of that. But don’t confuse the two.
Sorry, the bans must have been Atma then. My bad. But one thing you could work on that has really bothered me, as well as some other members, is to try to not be so condescending in some of your posts. I really like any debate that goes on with you and the facts you bring to the table, just the way you say some things really can be condescending to people that you don’t even know.
Just a suggestion.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
I have a question...
What I am pointing out is some people are really commited to this site and you just disagreeing over and over and over again shows you really don’t care what we truly think and that you seem to think your opinion is the only one that truly matters.
What does your account being banned have to do with Atma disagreeing with you? If disagreeing with Atma was grounds for getting banned I would have been tossed a long time ago.
What were your previous usernames? Maybe I could take a look at your history and try to give an impartial (i hope) opinion about what you may or may not have done wrong.
Thing 2
What does your account being banned have to do with Atma disagreeing with you? If disagreeing with Atma was grounds for getting banned I would have been tossed a long time ago.
They can say it a hundred times, but obviously that doesn’t make it true. Why would I personally ban someone for disagreeing with me? Haha take a look at the comments sections of my articles. There’s some very harsh criticisms and even some personal attacks. It’s getting to the point of absurdity for them to keep repeating that claim. It’s simply not true.
What were your previous usernames? Maybe I could take a look at your history and try to give an impartial (i hope) opinion about what you may or may not have done wrong.
A few things my friend:
1) a lot of their junk FanPosts, FanShots, and comments have already been hidden
2) (aside for LostHawk who is oddly fighting a battle that doesn’t need to be fought since he’s already improved his posting quality finally after 3 banned accounts) you’re wasting your effort. This is purely an effort issue and they’re not willing to put in the effort. It’s that simple.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude
You never hid any of my work. You suggested that I move one of my fanposts into a fanshot and I was down with it.
I think you are too condescending.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You never hid any of my work.
That would also not be true.
FJ and Tony.psd hid 1 of your FanPosts each. I hid 4 different FanPosts you posted and sent you 4 warnings that began:
Please move your recent FanPost to…
I think you should start respecting the warnings and quit wasting everyone’s time. This is really not that difficult.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Looking at your profile
I personally handed you these warnings:
dubzfan
Please collect your thoughts before posting. Comments on GSoM need to be thoughtful and cohesive to ensure good community discussions.
In the future please use proper capitalization, spelling, and grammar for your FanShots or they will be hidden.
Looking all the tens of comments in this thread along that you’ve posted it is clear that you don’t understand those warnings at all. Now the question is why?
Why don’t you understand the warnings and improve the quality of your posting as requested?
Other members from you IP are (some of which might or might not be you):
- montdaboss- banned after 6 warnings that weren’t followed
- gsw.raiders- banned after 2 warnings that weren’t followed
- nateoak10- banned after 10 warnings that weren’t followed
If any of those are you why don’t you stop needlessly creating accounts and making the same mistakes?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
see i dont no what cooment those warnings were for so how can change a mistake
that i cant even see? was it a mistype like if i was typing for example i thgink that bla bla bla etc. cause thats a simple typo where the letters are close to each other? or was it serious like wut wuzzzz goin o heer? and the thoughtful part is simply your opinion, maybe i did gather my thoughts, who are you to say i didnt? now your a psychic? also this shows the inconsistency in the bannings in these peoples profiles, 2 warnings.ban. 10 warnings.ban.6 warnings.ban. there is no true guideline here. this shows your inconsistency with bans and that your opinion rules over things that cant be proven (thoughtful comments). and it was rather rude to just show random peoples warnings to the public, its there private info.
Um look at the comment you JUST posted and apply those 2 warnings to it. This is not very hard- at all.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
its an open thread
you said that it really is not held to any standard and is more of an open conversation so what is the issue? look at my comments on the fanposts/fanshots and you will see i have tried improving and most people do try to improve themselves but i guess trying is not good enough for you…..
If this post is indicative of "trying" ...
… then try harder.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 15, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm looking at my old account and i don't see anything that i posted not actually posted.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s a good joke to be made here, but I’ll let it pass.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha
I applaud your self control…
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 14, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn... I guess I did hide one of your posts
Sorry man, I forgot why
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atleast tony apoligizes
hes one of the good guys here. i have never heard of anyone complain about him. keep doin what your doin, waiting for the new stock of shirts to come!
Man you really got it twisted
There’s nothing for anyone to be apologizing to you for. It’s completely absurd that you’re even suggesting that.
This is a community. Your postings are lowering the quality of the discussions here. You were asked to improve in various ways. You didn’t and still haven’t (unlike Lost Hawk). You were banned in the interests of keeping this a solid place to talk about the Warriors, NBA, etc in a coherent and intelligent manner.
You should be apologizing to us for ignoring all of these polite requests and wasting our time by littering the comments/ FanPosts with such poor quality work.
If Tony hid your FanPost there was probably a good reason.
Obviously this place isn’t a good fit for you. That’s fine. There’s plenty of other places on the web where you can post at the level you seem to be fixated on. Have a great time out- and I mean that in all seriousness.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
i follow the whole proper grammar rule on fanposts and fanshots, this is an openthread am i correct?
and i didnt suggest people should apolgize, just that is was a nice gesture from tony. cant you see that? or are that self centered right now? and if im lowering this thread with complaints then what is EVERYONE else doing here? instead of posting new rules we simply wanted to talk about some minor issues that can be fixed no problem but you keep enforcing your rules that most people have are upset about? why cant you just work with us to stop this issue?
No you are not correct. This is not an open thread. A open thread says “open thread” in the title and is 99% of the time a place for posting ongoing game thoughts. Again- not very difficult.
Poorly formulated comments like the one you JUST posted AGAIN hurt the quality of the discussions here.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok prove to me that those warnings you gave out were just
You can’t because you don’t tell us the comment. once again a simple issue being blown way out of proportion. And i think you are hurting the discussion by constantly disagreeing with users. Atma, no matter what you think of me or other users the fact is we have been upset with the rules right now. If this was a community that you say your apart of by watching over the blog why won’t you just listen to people? don’t go around the question just answer it, im curious for your answer.
In all honesty and I don’t mean to be the least bit condescending here, I really have no idea what you’re asking. No idea at all.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Look I’m reading (or at least trying to read) everything you’ve posted here.
I’m not sure what you mean by “you just can’t work with us.” That’s a very odd request from someone who has blatantly ignored so many requests.
We’re working on improving the quality of this community. You’re not helping out.
What exactly is it that you want me to do?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Dubzfan
I see what Atma’s talking about in your case. I don’t think banning is really helpful.
I got 6 warnings and they seemed to be pretty spread out. Atma, if you don’t mind could you let me use my other account and i promise to consider others posts before putting out my opinion. I do not want to fight. I want to talk about basketball.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Atma, if you don’t mind could you let me use my other account and i promise to consider others posts before putting out my opinion.
Sure thing. I appreciate the request and willingness to do your part in keeping the community golden.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
yay!
Thank You.
But in all honesty. The bans do seem a little harsh. Any way we can change it?
I propose when given the ban it specifically directs you to what you were warned about because I think we dismiss it immediately because we think we can do no wrong or it’s hard to say i may have done something wrong but I don’t think I did. But maybe if people saw exactly what they did they will say maybe they’ve got a point.
The only reason i admitted I may be wrong was the fact that Tony.psd blocked me. He doesn’t remember doing it and I’m not convinced he would but the thought of guy like Tony.psd blocking one of my posts made me reconsider that I was wrong.
A year ago I was only 13 years old and as you all may remember, I was posting crazy fan trades that were terrible in retrospect. I had 5 posts rec’d and they had good thought behind them but it was a slow time at GSom and i guess it was more of a pity rec.
My grammar and typing have gotten better in the past year. I may be the youngest contributor to this blog and i think thats pretty cool. I recommended this blog to many people my age but most of us in my age group area are not as concerned or interested in the Warriors as I.
I think my grammar is okay for my age but for anyone thats over 20, should not have worse grammar than me. I think i have nice grammatical skills, I’m going to Bellarmine, and I will be a better contribution to GSOm. All i cared about was keeping this account. Thank You Atma, even if i still disagree with you on many things, i do think some things you mentioned are pretty legitimate.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
what high school
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Bellarmine
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 14, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't going to tell you guys
you guys would have made fun of me.
Actually, Sam23(nothing against you. its no biggie) said my posts were childish or something like that. Well, imagine if i told you all until now?
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
if you had told us now
we would have explained to you about “growing up” and writing more mature, complete comments and stuff like that. There was one guy who wrote a fanpost about playing with Stephon Marbury or something like that, and he was acting all cocky and stuff, and after grilling him, he eventually admitted he was only 14, and was making up stories about playing with Marbury, trying to get attention. He learned his lesson in the end, and started posting better.
Also, we’re running out of horizontal room here.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, we’re running out of horizontal room here.
Please continue under the Age Guideline post below as needed.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So you are trying to get rid of me again?
Can I not be judged on my age. I’ve seen some peoples content on this site worse than mine and i’m speculating they are grown adults.
I also post alot more than most people do and I never heard it was a problem to post alot.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 14, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If this is a family website don't make an age requirment
Please do not generalize people on age because some people act younger or older then what they actually are. Remember, you were once our age and I bet you wanted equal treatment.
by dubzfan on Jul 14, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, for god's sake, that DOES explain it
Maybe instead of making this a family show, we should make this more like a “21 and over” club, with a tight, intimate atmosphere, and bouncers to boot you out for acting “immature” and underaged.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
i told you i would have been treated badly for telling you guys.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
nobody really cares about age
what matters more is thoughtful, insightful, or witty comments that contribute to the discussion and the atmosphere
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey but Dubzfan and I are different in my oppinion.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 14, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I have tried to improve my grammar like you said
I also have posted less fanposts/fanshots. I will break it down real simple. Why do you always disagree with everyone when we talk about the rules?
I want to talk basketball
But I also don’t want to worry about bannings and warnings as much. I want a great site like you do so we share a common goal and I am willing to do my part but I am upset with the distance between some moderators and users.
This makes little sense
But I also don’t want to worry about bannings and warnings as much.
You’re confusing the causality here. The warnings and bans happen for a reason. The cause for those warnings and bannings is in your hands only.
If you don’t want to get warnings, then improve your contributions to the community (by the way 1 well formulated comment is infinitely better than 2-3 pithy unformulated ones which you’re guilty of in this very thread). If you don’t want your account banned then actually read and adhere to the warnings.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I am willing to do my part but I am upset with the distance between some moderators and users.
I gotta agree with you, I think the weight of the rules are way out of proportion to the need. If you post crap we can just ignore it and you’ll get tired of that and leave won’t ya?
Moderators should clean up obvious spam and hateful comments but trying to make this an english class is not gonna draw basketball fans that I can see? Is this gentrification of the game? seems to “Stern” for my taste
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Skeptic man- there’s reason you’ve never gotten a warning/ request to improve your grammar/ spelling/ etc. It’s not a problem because your comments are witty, well thought out and not spamming/ trolling.
The guys who are getting warnings/ bans are in a completely different category. It’s absurd some of the junk they post and how they completely ignore warnings.
Shoot, I don’t even use “proper” or “Victorian” English when I write and talk in real life- far from it. This isn’t about making this an “english class”. It’s about improving the signal : noise ratio in the comments.
Moderators should clean up obvious spam and hateful comments
Again that’s not something simple/ fun or a given. Please realize that that requires time on our end to do. TIme I’d rather spend doing other various things. I have a finite amount of time I can pour into this hobby. I’d rather not spend it cleaning up the garbage that people think is okay to post here. Anyway we can reduce that burden needs to be investigated (a la the GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0)
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you always disagree with everyone when we talk about the rules?
This is a very difficult question to answer because I don’t know what disagreements you’re talking about.
I don’t see much disagreement in the rules here aside from the “+1” dialogue which resulted in me saying “Okay if you guys like it even though I’m not a fan” keep it.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
We want to see exactly what the comment was and what we exactly did wrong, and when I asked a while back about how the system exactly works and how many warnings there are before your banned, I was ignored (this was another thread). I was a little frustrated because I was confused why the warnings were so spread apart and there was different amounts of them on each of my profiles.Whenever I see people say some rules are to stern or something along those lines you shot them down or when we did give ideas for new rules it was apparently ridiculous. I’m done with this conversation. I hope this sites user and moderators can agree on rules and bannings etc etc.
Its fine. I know you are a pretty honest and cool guy.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jul 14, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's condesending, sometimes, too ...
… but more often I think he’s just wrong (eg, on Iverson).
But I don’t care. I’ve disagreed with him vehemently, even on the borderline of insulting him (eg “Iveson-worship”) and the only note I’ve ever received (which may have been on Niner Nation, not here) was one suggesting that a fanpost should have been a fanshot when I was very new (which, to be fair, it should have been based on the standards).
It’s probably not possible to disagree with him more strongly than I have, and yet my posts have always been treated respectfully.
Atma may be wrongheaded about some basketball stuff, but he’s got my full support as a moderator.
To tell you truth I really don’t mind the harsh attacks on my viewpoints from commenters (hey I’m the first to admit I have some crazy ideas), but I will warn you those are most likely going to result in what you might perceive as a condescending response from me.
I’d prefer a more friendlier discussion all the time which is what we had pre-We Believe destruction in the summer of 2007, but over the years I’ve sort of got in the mode where “if someone brings it, they’re going to get it back”. There’s of course “that line” of respect which I don’t think should ever get crossed though. You’ve never crossed it of course in your responses to my hoop thoughts.
No real harm done.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You condescend to me, I condescend to you ...
… it’s all in good fun.
I mean, it’s fairly obvious that you post some stuff at least in part to get a rise out of folks, to stir up debate.
And that’s fine.
I’m having fun with it, too.
I mean, it’s fairly obvious that you post some stuff at least in part to get a rise out of folks, to stir up debate.
Haha I would never ever do that.
I aims to entertain.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 15, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Guys
This has evolved into a thread of “why was i banned???!” and “i shuld be able to rite stuf that tuk me 2 secondz to put 2gether where eva i want and dumb down the community just becuz i hve a keyboard” which is very unfortunate. It’s also not the point of this FanPost.
It’s to Help Shape ‘GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0’
I sincerely doubt a lot of the commenters here even read or thought about points and goals enumerated above. However I’d like to return to that original goal, particularly this aspect:
Please feel free to even propose actual sections, snippets, or even entire draft for the GSoM Rules + Community Guidelines 2.0 in the comments. My fellow writers and I obviously and unfortunately only have a finite amount of time we can pour into this hoops passion (or obsession?), so actually helping us construct this handbook of GSoM would help us out a ton. A TON. A TON. It will also ensure it goes live much faster.
I’m thinking if the community composed a “Welcome to GSoM” type guide in wiki-fashion that’s required reading for anyone who posts FanPosts or FanShots or comments would be really helpful. The community could always direct newcomers or people who haven’t adhered to various aspects back to the guide. Hopefully less folks think they’re being intentionally singled out this way- it’s always frustrating to hear when someone says that, because it’s honestly not the case.
I would really like this to be grassroots effort. If this doc is cultivated organically it would be infinitely more meaningful, useful, and have an infinitely greater long-term impact.
I can sit here all day and go back and forth with folks who aren’t willing to listen and make up nonsensical conspiracy theories, but that’s not the point.
The goal is to formulate those Rules and Guidelines. Please help us in doing that. Thanks.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions
Age Guideline
I’m thinking somewhere in the guidelines it should say something to the effect of:
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Readers of all ages are welcome
The content on GSoM is written/ moderated so that it’s safe for people of all ages to read. This has always been a family show and it will always be a family show.
Age 21+ Required for Commenting and Posting FanPosts/ FanShots
Now you don’t really have to be 21 years of age or older to contribute your thoughts, opinions, and analysis here, but realize that this is the NBA, not the NBDL or NCAA of Warriors/ hoops communities. You might have left college early, skipped college, or still be in high school. That doesn’t matter. All commenters are still expected to post substantive material with the prose of a pro (proper grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc) and have the maturity level of adult in their interactions with the community. (The only exception to the substantive/ prose of a pro clause is the open threads for posting live game thoughts).
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Please feel free to reword. That’s just an initial draft.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions
Age 21+ Required for Commenting and Posting FanPosts/ FanShots
Now you don’t really have to be 21 years of age or older to contribute your thoughts, opinions, and analysis here, but realize that this is the NBA, not the NBDL or NCAA of Warriors/ hoops communities. You might have left college early, skipped college, or still be in high school. That doesn’t matter. All commenters are still expected to post substantive material with the prose of a pro (proper grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc) and have the maturity level of adult in their interactions with the community. (The only exception to the substantive/ prose of a pro clause is the open threads for posting live game thoughts).
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
+1
There are fans of all ages here, you can’t deny there right to speak on a website based on age. How about instead of being in or past college, how about speaking like it? Like what if someone could not afford college? Fair treatment to all ages.
There are fans of all ages here, you can’t deny there right to speak on a website based on age
Actually that’s not true at all.
- it’s not a right to be able to post on a website. It’s a privilege.
- There’s plenty of age requirements out there, even in the comments sections of websites. I suggested an 18+ one years back, but others weren’t feeling it so we didn’t go with it.
The
“Age 21+ Required for Commenting and Posting FanPosts/ FanShots
Now you don’t really have to be 21 years of age or older to contribute your thoughts, opinions, and analysis here, but realize”
is an accommodation for that 18+ relaxation/ rule.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I suggested an 18+ one years back, but others weren’t feeling it so we didn’t go with it.
Haha, Always go with your instincts! Might have saved you some work?
I don’t mind the kiddies comments, actually I like them a lot cause they are fresh thinkers but I do think having to temper our discussion with child appropriate language and content is a drag on the fun? Maybe you should make the little rugrat’s parents sign a waiver sayin they got parental control on their computer before you let them in?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats going to be very hard to enforce. Unless you are going to start requesting credit card info anyone can make up a user name and put any age they want.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
anyone can make up a user name and put any age they want.
which would be fine, cause then we would be relieved of the burden of talking to kids and could assume we are talking to adults.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I think montadaboss and dubzfan make a point about mentioning age. To the both of you, keep in mind that the age thing was originally based on the 21+ club idea I mentioned above, so don’t take that too personally.
- Commenting and Posting FanPosts/FanShots
All commenters are expected to post substantive material with the maturity, poise, and responsibility of an adult. This means writing complete thoughts with good grammar, spelling, and punctuation that everyone can comfortably read and respond to.
Failure to do so will result in being introduced to the GSoM Bouncer, er, who’s the buffest guy you got in your crew? OK, scratch that.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Thank You. I guess i shouldn’t have told you all the truth. I thought it was a fresh start and I wanted to let people know I’m not an adult but rather in High School.
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by montadaboss on Jul 14, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
it’s better to be yourself and accept yourself rather than hide from it. That includes your age. As long as you put effort into keeping yourself composed and taking responsibilty for yourself and your comments, most people will notice the effort and appreciate it. There is nothing wrong with being 14 (or whatever age anyone is). There IS something wrong with being irresponsible.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That is all fine
We understand the expectations and being responsible, I’m not hiding from myself, if I was montadaboss or myself would not have told you guys. When I first joined I did not know what to expect or the full expectations but now I do and I try really hard in changing the way I act online. I just don’t want to be generalized in the myth that all teenagers are obnoxious and are irresponsible. Plus age has nothing to do with your passion for basketball, for all we know the smartest person here who ever that maybe could be 11. Who knows?
i doubt you graduated from stanford then?
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 14, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Please tell me this is a joke.
Please please PLEASE tell me this is a joke.
If so, you are the funniest high schooler ever, you need to drop out of school and go on tour. I’ll help promote it.
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haha what?
Yes, i am in high school.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 15, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
for all we know the smartest person here who ever that maybe could be 11. Who knows?
Well that sentence goes right over my head so you got me.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 14, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
but now I do and I try really hard in changing the way I act online
It worked for Anthony Randolph! OK, I’m done talking about your age. I’m glad you’re going to put effort into it.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Technically speaking
I’m 11 years old, and if that 21+ over rule is enforced, I will no longer be able to write for GSoM. That would be kind of sad, don’t you think?
We still believe!!
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Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 15, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 15, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
who’s the buffest guy you got in your crew?
That’s like asking who’s the slimmest member of The Fat Boys.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
who’s the buffest guy you got in your crew?
Well, Hash is pretty tall IIRC, but with a smile like that I can’t really imagine him acting tough. ; )
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 14, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish this thread had its title changed to:
“Two users complain about repeated bannings and warnings and turn out to be 14 years old.”
That would have saved me a lot of reading.
Thing C
by markdash on Jul 14, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000000000000008921312
Shoot that would have saved me a lot of writing.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 14, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Well, I think they understand now. I didn’t learn that type of lesson about behaving myself until I was 16 or 17, and that’s because back then, there was no Internet to discover the Real World at an early age.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Was the Great Depression as bad as they say it was?
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 14, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
ok, you got me this time, hahahahaha
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Was the Great Depression as bad as they say it was?
We’ll all know in a few years.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I blame the youth generation and their dang Pacman video games
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 15, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I blame the youth generation and their dang Pacman video games
Yeah, Blame it on the Pong
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Blame it on thepBong
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 15, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
-1000000000000000000008921312
Would have prevented me from being entertained tonight.
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If you wanted to be entertained you should tell your mini-me to go do some research on the relationship between coach age and team winning percentage, then when he presents you with the results crumple them up and light them on fire. Hilarious!
Thing C
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 15, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey R.Dizzle...
Man, I need t give you your Signs and stuff… when are u gonna be at Davis… I heard there was a great sushi spot that’s all you can eat… line’s out the door!
Holler at me!
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Back in the day when I had to be familiar with large portions of ridiculously long list of NCAA eligibility rules, it was clear that most of the voluminous list of regulations could be replaced with one rule: “thou shalt not cheat” (or “don’t cheat” if you object to the King Jamesian language [no reference to Lebron intended]). Of course what people mean by “cheat” would be open to rather sizable interpretation and abuse, even if 90% of the powers that be would find consensus 90% of the time. Hence, rules written, almost encouraging everyone to try to get as close to them as possible, even if in an open system, they would never approach the extremes. And invariably, someone steps over the lines, either intentionally or otherwise.
Similarly, it would be nice if any guidelines here could be summarized to a “don’t suck”. It’s simple and covers just about everything that got this all going in the first place. If you have seen your (usually short, confined to a title line and often irrelevant to the surrounding conversation) posts disappear or your fanposts vaporize, consider whether or not you would have violated this rule. The mods can see deleted comments and, a result of the strange highlighting system (and I suspect my rather strange browser configuration) often I don’t recognize that a post has been deleted until after I’ve read it. Invariably, these posts leave me with a sense of “why did anyone even bother typing that?” either because it had nothing to do with the surrounding discussion, or was just so difficult to read that any semblance of though that might have gone into it doesn’t get through to the reader. When I see that the post has already been removed, it is clear to me that I am not alone in thinking that it was sufficiently noisy to generate the same reaction in someone else.
I don’t care how old you are. I don’t care if you disagree with me or anyone else. (I will continue to tell people when I disagree with their opinion and explain why; you are welcome to do the same.) I do care that people think. The posts that have been deleted do not indicate to me that this activity occurred before their composition.
by jae on Jul 15, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
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it would be nice if any guidelines here could be summarized to a "don’t suck".
Exactly right… the overall vibe of the place is more important than any written rules. That’s not to say that you guys shouldn’t re-write the guidelines — it could certainly help. But in my (limited) experience in moderating boards, guidelines never steer the boat. The good posters don’t need ‘em and the bad posters don’t read ‘em. Moreover, interpretations of specific rules can differ in ways that are frustrating for admins and users alike, and inconsistent reinforcement — i.e., veterans getting away with stuff new posters don’t — can cause friction as well.
What sticks — and what works — is community reinforcement, whether positive or negative. If you post here, you have to make sure you’re trying to add to the conversation in a way that people here would enjoy. It’s not about whether you enjoy typing it… it’s about whether others would enjoy reading it. And others being able to read it is part of that — if you’re not making a consistent effort to be clear, you’re not really trying to contribute.
This is a friendlier board than many you’ll encounter… people will embrace your presence if you give them a reason to. But you do have to give them a reason. Every community expects certain things of its members, and a message board is no different. Those who’ve been getting in trouble need to stop arguing about whether stuff they posted was bad, and start posting stuff that’s clearly not bad. Everyone who reads this board is capable of that.
by onlxn on Jul 15, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
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