Randolph on the Spurs? A Hall of Fame player. Or he'd quit the game. The pressure is on the...

Randolph on the Spurs? A Hall of Fame player. Or he'd quit the game. The pressure is on the Warriors to cultivate the former.

ESPN's David Thorpe Tweeting From Summer League

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by placid on Jul 14, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Not sure I understand the tweet. Is he saying that the spurs would work on Randolph so much that he’d either be molded into a hall of famer, or would flame out and not play?
And that the Warriors need to take that approach?

by bigbenny777 on Jul 14, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah it sounds like there's a missing half of that conversation, and I can't find it

by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think

he means “IF… AR was on the spurs he’d be a HOF”… thats a big IF

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Jul 14, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Man they talkin AR everywhere!

Cool to see him getting some recognition

by 123707THIZZ on Jul 14, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

And then you forgot a period.

:P OK, that joke’s getting old. Seriously though, yes, Randolph is getting a lot of talk. More atttention for the Warriors = good.

by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

by 123707THIZZ on Jul 14, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Idle hands

thats all… reminds me of TK’s BS…. I hope one day that ESPN pulls TK out the bay for his “breaking news”

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Jul 14, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i was

hoping for a double double for the 4th straight game… but i liked his attitude during the post-game interviews, i believe he’s growing up in front of our eyes!

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Jul 14, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

he also tweeted this ...

Randolph just had the dunk of summer leagues, past-present-and future. Think Superman’s throwdown, plus the And1 factor. Stunning and sweet!

was this the curry-off-the-glass dunk? anyone got video?!

i come from east oakland where the youngstas get hyphy ...

by mookyee on Jul 14, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Naw it was a different one, its in these highlights....you'll know witch one

http://www.nba.com/video/games/bulls/2009/07/14/nba_gsw_chi_1520900021_recap_chi.nba/

by 123707THIZZ on Jul 14, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that deserves to be a fanshot for those who missed the AR highlights

by IQofaWarrior on Jul 14, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Around 0:25 and 1:05

I think I got lockjaw… WOW

by stopher on Jul 14, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That dunk at :25 ...

yeeeeeah.
Wow.

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by Prevenge on Jul 15, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah.

I was shocked when I saw that dunk. I would have never expected him to be able to throw it down, but I guess I underrated his length and athleticism (even though I was already thinking very highly of them).

by Precise Films Productions on Jul 14, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is this a knock on the Warriors or praise of the Spurs?

by dubzfan on Jul 14, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

my opinion

It’s more of a praise to Anthony Randolph than anything.

The Spurs are just brought up because they are a dynasty and have one of the best coaches and PF (Pops and Timmy) in NBA history. He’s just saying that a guy with Hall of Fame potential (like Randolph) would reach his ceiling if he were on a Hall of Fame team. The Warriors haven’t really proved themselves as a great franchise, but they need to realize what type of player they have in Randolph and make sure not to make mistakes with him. I don’t know.

by Precise Films Productions on Jul 14, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

definite knock, imo

This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM

by disguy on Jul 14, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think

it’s a pretty big knock on the dubs, but in comparison to the spurs. The spurs have done a great job of cultivating the talent they have obtained—dubs have had much more talent pass thru but not much to show for it. I think it implies a mishandling of player development. And how can we not agree with thorpe on this one?

by DustyG on Jul 16, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a diss on the Dubs - with good reason

To me, this comment assumes that we are going to screw up with AR and that if a team with a front office like the spurs would tern him into a HoF. I realize we don’t have a lot of cred because our front office sucks but when was the last time we had a player with AR’s potential?
Chris Webber? (yeah, we screwed that up)
I hope that curry, ellis, and AR are the sign of a new era. Lord knows we deserve it and hopefully our front office won’t screw it up.

by tjmax on Jul 14, 2009 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, I think this comment is just referring to the fact that the Spurs have had a winning record and have gone to the playoffs much more often than the Warriors during the past 15 years. You are much more likely to get recognized for your achievements if spend the majority of your career on a winning team, that is competing for the title each year.

by randolphforpresident on Jul 15, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AR tied the LV Summer League record

for points in a single game: 42

and i quote david thorpe’s tweet:
Randolph just had the dunk of summer leagues, past-present-and future. Think Superman’s throwdown, plus the And1 factor. Stunning and sweet!

um. I WANT TO SEE THAT.

by Run Dubz on Jul 15, 2009 6:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

um. I WANT TO SEE THAT.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Jul 15, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

check out the highlights provided by Thizz above.

by homer simpson on Jul 15, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

im impressed with curry

he shows when he is struggling with shooting he can still make awesome passes

Stop.......... Hammertime!!!!!

by MR. Bigshot 123 on Jul 15, 2009 7:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

and when he's struggling shooting

He’ll keep shooting! He’ll fit right in!

by tafkasam on Jul 15, 2009 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm really hoping he's only taking that approach because it's summer league

And in the real games will know to shoot less, the guy is REALLY basketball smart

by 123707THIZZ on Jul 15, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is just a shot at the Warriors for being a poorly run organization

(and rightfully so…). Spurs have reputation of being one of the best run organization in the league.

by tafkasam on Jul 15, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

For those not getting it, Thorpe is saying that the way the Spurs coach players / teach the game would either have AR become a HOF or cause AR to become so frustrated as to quit the game. It’s also a hypothetical situation where AR is actually on the Spurs. It’s not a diss on the Warriors or a compliment to the Spurs. It is a remark on the Spurs approach to coaching/teaching of not coddling players..

by homer simpson on Jul 15, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually, the anouncers calling the game yesterday

made a good point. The spurs, and the jazz are the two smallest markets in all of the NBA. And yet, they always seem to get it right, steming from ownership to the gm’s, to trades and draft picks.
people may say that the spurs got lucky with drafting duncan 13 years ago, but they drafted tony parker with like the 26th pick in the draft, they found ginobli, and now they added Jefferson to the mix.

The jazz was an organization that years ago, nobody wanted to play for, yet they manage to find, and obtain talent.

yet, in the past the warriors have always manged to mingle things up. So i think this was a shot at the organization, rightfully so.

by ef_werd on Jul 15, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the Jazz could probably be credited with a bigger market than they are. There’s no other competition for fans in Utah. They’re always in the top 10 in home attendance per year.

by Missing Barry on Jul 15, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How is their TV deal? Market size manifests itself in many ways other than attendance.

Thing C

by markdash on Jul 15, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Attendance is just the easiest evidence to find and use. :)

by Missing Barry on Jul 15, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But most arenas hold between 15-20,000 people. If New York and Utah both sell out, does that tell you anything at all about market size?

Thing C

by markdash on Jul 15, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m under the impression the NBA doesn’t sell out most games. You should have seen the Sixers games I went to (pathetic). Anyways, if you want to take the effort to look for some other measurement, I’m all ears.

by Missing Barry on Jul 15, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he meant...

“Yo AR! You’re gonna be better than Lebron James!”

So what!

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jul 15, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I read it as:

“Anthony Randolph has as much talent at this stage as Tim Duncan did.”

only a ton more athleticism.

by bradyk2 on Jul 15, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Except he doesn’t have as much talent as Tim Duncan, so I didn’t read it that way at all. Duncan was one of the most polished players coming into the NBA in recent memory. 3 time college defensive player of the year. 2 time ACC player of the year. 2 time first team All-American. Won the John Wooden award his senior year. Randolph is an athletic speciman, though. And in fairness to Randolph, he could be entering his junior year of college…

by Missing Barry on Jul 16, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

he could be entering his junior year of college…

Should be

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is that meant to imply he shouldn’t be in the NBA?

by Missing Barry on Jul 16, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It means

We need to compare AR to Timmy the college junior, not Timmy the NBA sophomore.

by bradyk2 on Jul 16, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll let Skeptic answer that one thanks. :)

by Missing Barry on Jul 16, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lalala

i completely read your comments wrong. it should be noted that i posted in this thread BC (before coffee). :)

by bradyk2 on Jul 16, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is that meant to imply he shouldn’t be in the NBA?

none of these young kids should be, they should stay in school and get some maturity and learn the basics so when they come to the league we don’t have to put up with their growing pains. I’d be all for a league minimum age of 21 years.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The problem with this is...

A lot of players in the NBA do not wish to attend college. It is unfair to both the kid and the school, if he is there against his will, just to play basketball.

by bradyk2 on Jul 17, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A lot of players in the NBA do not wish to attend college

MLB knows how to teach them to play correctly before making the fans pay the big bucks to watch. NBA could have a similiar minor league farm system.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I respectfully disagree, and I’ll leave it at that. :)

by Missing Barry on Jul 17, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You said AR isnt as talented

by saying that he isnt as polished (and accomplished). And while I think both are true, aren’t those two different things?

by DustyG on Jul 16, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

by bradyk2 on Jul 16, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It depends on how you define “talent”, really. I would say polished and talent are essentially the same thing – they’re both talking about the basketball skills the player has in the present. Then you have a word like potential to describe what the player could turn into down the road…which is something Randolph has in spades.

by Missing Barry on Jul 16, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think there is a difference

and i think it’s why there are so many veterans in the league, while more talented players struggle in the NBDL. Being polished includes a lot of intangibles – shot selection, basketball IQ, playing hard 100% of the time, making the right plays. Talent just means ability – AR has the same ability to rebound the ball, shoot the ball, get to the hoop and finish, pass out of a double-team, and block shots that Timmy did. However he was not as polished as Timmy was – he was more of a liability to the team because despite his ability to hit the open 15-footer, sometimes he shoots the not-so-open 18 footer instead. that’s the difference, in my opinion.

by bradyk2 on Jul 16, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

“AR has the same ability to rebound the ball, shoot the ball, get to the hoop and finish, pass out of a double-team, and block shots that Timmy did”

I respectfully disagree with all of this. Well, not really. They were fairly equal in rebounding and shot blocking as rookies. But I believe Duncan’s other physical skills (shooting, passing, finishing, ball handling and such) were superior to Randolph’s when they were both rookies, in addition to the mental aspects.

I can see the difference you’re going for between polish and talent, though. Seems like a reasonable enough use of the words to me.

by Missing Barry on Jul 16, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree that

Duncan probably had a better shot than Randolph (it also does depend on whether we measure through age or NBA experience), but i think they have similar finishing abilities – Duncan, however, does an amazing job of never forcing shots. randolph, seemingly multiple times a game, would chuck up unmakeable shots last year. But when they were good looks, he was usually money.

This is all subjective obviously, but i think we’re seeing eye to eye now.

by bradyk2 on Jul 16, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hahahahha

The Spurs would not play Randolph for another 5 years and 2-3 knee surgeries. They would be breaking the cardinal rule of playing for the Spurs – not being able to dunk.

Look for AR on the Spurs in 2019 when he hits the magical 30 yr old mark.

by runningdonut on Jul 16, 2009 2:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

In my opinion there are still some serious impediments in the way that need to go if Randolph is to become a “Great” player. Right now he’s not the kind of guy that you can throw the ball down to in the low post, and I’m not sure his dribbling skills are quite good enough to consistently drive to the hoop without surrendering an absurd amount of turnovers. In some ways he’s capable of playing the 4 and the 3, but in other ways he has limitations that keep him from being able to do a lot more as a 4 and a 3.

It’s great that he’s a hardworker, anyone notice that nice up and under move he’s been using a couple of times?… love it. But I want to see him get a nice hook shot and gain more fluidity in his post game. Right now he has an improving jumpshot, but seems to heavily rely on athletically freakish plays to score everytime. Sooner or later other defenses are going to start paying more attention to him, so let’s hope he continues to evolve to the point where we can count on him for a guaranteed 20ppg.

by bigbenny777 on Jul 16, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs