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The Warriors obviously have a massive stockpile of very talented players who primarily play the tweener-guard and wing positions, and it's no secret that they've been looking for an offensive presence at the four to play off of this strength.

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If the Warriors aren't able to get Stoudemire, does it make sense to try to clear cap space for the 2010 frenzy by dealing Maggette?  The sideplot to the Wade/Bron storyline is the massive crop of talented power forwards who will be available in 2010: Chris Bosh and Carlos Boozer are the headliners, but there's a decent chance that Dirk, David Lee, Lamarcus Aldridge, and/or Amare will be unrestricted free agents as well.  With Don Nelson's run-and-gun style, the fan enthusiasm, the promising nucleus of young players in Golden State, and the team's explicit desire for a premiere PF, it seems likely that one of those guys would sign with the Warriors if they had the cap space.

Any team taking Maggette would have to have a pretty big need at small forward, as well as have the future cap flexibility and the current expiring deals to pull off a deal.  It seems to go without saying that in the current financial state of the NBA, the team getting Maggette would expect to get other useful players in return as well.  A team who might see Maggette as a decent fit is the Timberwolves, who have a Corey Brewer-sized hole at the three and $14.1MM in expirings in Brian Cardinal and Etan Thomas.  Maggette provides a lot of the things that the Wolves lack, most importantly triple-threat ability and foul-drawing.

The Wolves also match up well with Golden State because they have a big need for shooters at the two and defense in the middle.  Two players not central to the Warriors' title contention plans would benefit the Wolves a lot: Marco Belinelli and Ronny Turiaf.  Maggette, Belinelli, and Turiaf add up to nearly the exact same cost as Cardinal and Thomas's expiring deals.

The potential for Curry, Ellis, Jackson, Amare (or any legit power forward), and Biedrins with Azubuike, Randolph, Morrow, and Wright getting significant minutes has to be scary for the rest of the league.  All of those players save the FA PF are under contract for 2010 for a combined $41.1MM, so basically the Warriors would have the room to offer a max deal to someone unless the cap goes down by more than about $4MM next year.  Even if the Warriors needed to wiggle and deal Wright or Azubuike in order to get a few extra million, those players would be desired and would command value.

So as a follower of the league, my question is, would you give up Belinelli and Turiaf to get rid of Maggette's deal and have cap space in 2010?  Would the Wolves have to give up more (draft picks, players potentially useful to G.S. like Oleksiy Pecherov or Craig Smith, etc)?  If you wouldn't do it now because of other possible moves, would you do it at the deadline if no better deal emerges?

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I’d rather give up Wright than Turiaf. Belinelli and Wright have been trade bait for a while, their two contracts plus maggette’s would be around 12-13mil and the TWolves would be sending the 14.1 mil in expirings, so those numbers work as well. Maybe do it at the trade deadline so they could potentially up their stock as well.

By the way, what happens if we do this salary dump and nobody wants to come here? Then what?

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by JustSomeName on Jul 18, 2009 4:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

maggette

is almost untradable

by Agent Zero on Jul 18, 2009 5:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont get how people can say this

Did you not see the Jamal Crawford Trade? Did you not see the Zach Randolph trade? Maggs it tradeable and we could get more value then expirings if we wanted.

by Warriorfan on Jul 18, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph both have shorter contracts than Maggette and both were swapped for expirings. I think almost untrade-able is a pretty fair assessment of Maggette.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

without defining Almost untradeable i take it as we cant get expirings for him or a rotation player. Anyone is tradeable in this league is just a matter of their value you’ll recieve in return and in the case of maggette hes a player that can contribute to any team thats playoff bound and that’s worth atleast a teams expirings.

by Warriorfan on Jul 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone is tradeable in this league is just a matter of their value you’ll recieve in return

I’m not so sure. I’d be totally stunned if Eddy Curry, even the supposedly new skinnier version Eddy Curry, was traded for anything.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and thus

nobody else in the league is “untradeable” because they could be traded for Eddy Curry….so, yea, I see the point you were trying to make.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

That’s great.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 18, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randolph is also a 20/10 Big. Some team will always gamble on these guys no matter how bad he really is

by tafkasam on Jul 20, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's an efficient scorer no doubt...

but good luck dealing a player better suited for the 6th man role, making $9-$10 million a year for the next four years while staring at a very real possibility of a $5m or so drop in the salary cap.

Randolph= 2 yrs
Crawford= 2 yrs
Maggette= 4 yrs

by phiLthyphiL on Jul 20, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm actually quoting

some one who covers the nba and has talked to executives around the league so i get how i people say that.

maggettes contract is awful and long. crawford is in his last year. thats how

by Agent Zero on Jul 23, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you make this fanpost “Because it’s Midnite”?

Thing C

by markdash on Jul 18, 2009 7:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if this could happen but...

Is there any chance that the Dubs could trade Biedrins, Maggette and Ellis? If Curry lives up to the hype, I don’t see Monta sticking around. And Nellie wants a big man who can shoot and rebound and Andris shoots 1 foot away from the basket =/. If they do trade those players, the Dubs will have over $30 million dollars to spend on FA. Possibly getting Bosh/Stoudemire along with someone else. Or getting Bosh/Stoudemire and saving up money to re-sign Randolph/Curry.

by DubsFan408 on Jul 18, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If we go for 2010

We would have to keep our key young pieces to lure the free agents over. That would include Monta, Andris, Randolph, Curry, Turiaf, and be nice to keep Morrow,Buike but everyone else would have to go for exprings really. Thats about 33mil right there so theres enough room for a Max and a near max contract. I wouldnt give Turiaf up for expirings though but other then that yeah id do the trade you suggested

by Warriorfan on Jul 18, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But...

What’s the point of keeping Monta Ellis if Curry lives up to his hype? The Warriors can’t have them in the same backcourt forever because there are too many match up problems. Plus, either Monta/Maggette or Biedrins/Maggette are going going to be traded in order for them to re-sign Randolph/Curry (in the future).

by DubsFan408 on Jul 18, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

think in terms of rotations rather than starting line-ups

Ellis and Curry will both fit within the Warriors’ 8-man rotation. They might not always play alongside each other, but they will both play significant minutes. Plus, while together they aren’t a great defensive match-up, they may give opponents fits on the other side of the court.

by eastbayglory on Jul 18, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not true

there are teams that roll out smaller PG/SG combos and i dont see why monta or curry couldnt guard a 6’5 SG. Also say Randolph got a max extension it wouldnt take effect until the 13/14 season when all we have is 20mil on the books for monta and ab and curry wouldnt take effect until 14/15 season where we have nothing on the books so i dont see a problem there(unless the FO gets stupid). Were not in trouble of lossing our youngins is my point

by Warriorfan on Jul 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

unless the FO gets stupid

A near-certain proposition shouldn’t be set aside as a questionable dependency.

by jae on Jul 20, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We would be happy to give you Maggette

I think a package deal with Wright and Maggette for Etan Thomas or Craig Smith and if you don’t mind a 2011 first rounder? If not Brewer would be nice. If you guys wanted Marco, I don’t know how much he is worth to you guys so maybe some cash for him straight up would be fine?

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by dubzfan on Jul 18, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Minny seems like one of the few places that might be a good fit for Belinelli as he could probably play a major role in the SG rotation immediately. Outside of Minny and Toronto I’m not sure there’s another place where he could do that.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i really like the idea of marco on the wolves, but can’t think of anything particularly interesting for the wolves to send back. maybe a rotation big? they did just pick up etan thomas, would something like thomas or craig smith be interesting at all (probably not smith, those declining numbers last year scare me)? i don’t know, there’s not much that i love about the wolves as a trade partner.

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by cap'n hack on Jul 18, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not a trade that I love but I’d do Maggette+Belinelli for Gomes+Thomas

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't. I'd rather wait awhile for a better deal

We d give up 2 good players for one average player and an expiring.
I d rather trade Marco to Toronto because he would get alot of pt and he would be in an European system. Hb maggette and Marco to Toronto for ….. ? I’m not sure . Well let’s see what we have this first half of the season

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by montadaboss on Jul 18, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that Minny has drafted an elite passing big man and two point guards (one of them being Ricky Rubio) in the first round in the past 2 years makes me think they may be headed towards playing a more European style too.

I agree that Toronto is probably the ideal fit for Belinelli as they don’t have a lot of guard depth and it does seem like he’d fit their style well, but its even harder to find anything I’d want on that roster than it is with the Minny roster. I really don’t think I’d trade anything for anyone not named Calderon or Bosh on that roster, and those two aren’t going anywhere.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

yea the Minny trade isn’t great, but I’d probably swap Belinellis for Gomes simply because a guy with his size that can play the 3 and 4 (granted he doesn’t play either one all that well) is probably more valuable to us than Belinelli right now. From what I’ve seen of Gomes he’s a fairly solid defensive player and, more importantly, a smart player. He’s not as good as Maggette but he certainly doesn’t have the diva reputation Maggette has, he’s probably much better suited to play the role of the the “3 playing the 4 for 8-15 minutes a game” than Maggette is, and he doesn’t have that crazy contract. Belinelli probably has a little more upside, but I can’t imagine any scenario where Belinelli gets playing time here before his contract is up. If you throw in the added bonus of being out from under Maggette’s contract and having about 13 million in expiring contracts to use midseason I think its worth it.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t know, maggs off the books gives us quite a bit of money to play around with next year and considering that we have so many guards of comparable or better ability than marco, we really aren’t giving up much in terms of on-court production (he can’t produce if he can’t play) there and make ourselves something close to players in 2010. we won’t land lebron or wade, but we could definitely make a move for someone better than maggs.

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by cap'n hack on Jul 18, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i get your points

just i bet there are better deals out there.
I wouldn’t want to trade Marco for one player. If we are going to trade Marco lets use him along biedrins or ellis to get something good or really good. Then i can say it was worth it, but Ryan Gomes is not worth it for me. I’d do Thomas for Maggette but not that side deal. I’m sure there are going to be injuries again this season so i’d wait and see if Belinelli gets some playing time and see how he does in his second period of good playing time. Lets see if he can win you guys over to be part of the future and if not im sure his value can increase if he gets some playing time. He’s also on a pretty cheap contract so i doubt his value will decrease.

Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected

by montadaboss on Jul 18, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you mean by good fit as in most playing time

Sure… But the best fits for Marco would be the knicks, spurs, suns, cavs, raptors, Dallas, and the rockets would probably be the best system for Marco. Adelmans system is a perfect fit for Marco as it relies on good ball movement and shooting.

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by montadaboss on Jul 18, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s sort of a wide range of systems you’ve thrown out there. what makes you think that both the spurs and the suns would be on the same list? marco is a jack of all trades, master of none (that’s probably too high of praise actually), pretty much any team could find some role for him, and it seems like minnesota would need him to utilize more of his skills than most other teams would and could easily slot him into the rotation. plus, considering the huge amount of transition that team is going through, it makes sense to have a guy like marco who will be able to play with them whatever style they end up with. marco makes loads of sense in ’sota.

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by cap'n hack on Jul 18, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn’t having the ability to crack the rotation kinda like the number one criteria for a “good fit”? If he can’t crack the rotation somewhere then he isn’t a very good fit………kinda like here.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could crack the rotation in all those places.

But Marco needs a disciplined system or a team with a good facilitator or point who can set him up.
This system and coach here is just not for him.

Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected

by montadaboss on Jul 18, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how is he gonna get playing time in San Antonio or Dallas?
Parker, Ginobili, Hill, Mason, Finley
Kidd, Terry, Barea, Howard, Green, Carroll, maybe Calathes (whats going on with him anyway?)

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 19, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finley is done. He has no legs anymore, and Marco is as good as a spot-up shooter as Finley was last year. And Calathes is playing in Greece this year I believe. But yeah, everyone else on that list would play ahead of Marco.

by rjnarayen on Jul 19, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Marco’s probably a better player than Finley at this point….but I’m not completely sure he’d be ahead of him on the depth chart in SA if Finley were to come back. Thanks for the info on Calathes, I wasn’t sure if he had backed out of that agreement to go overseas or not.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 20, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bellinelli fits in the lakers, spurs, nets miami and other half court teams.

Bellinelli 4 SF. um im looking for james james jones (heat), dajuan blair.

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by jandaman! on Jul 19, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Roster 2009-10

STARTING 5
PG Monta Ellis
SG Stephen Jackson
SF Corey Maggette
PF Anthony Randolph
C Andris Biedrins
BENCH
PG Stephen Curry
SG Anthony Morrow
SF Dajuan Blair
PF Brendan Wright
C Ronny Turiaf
3RD STRING
PG Spreedy Claxton
SG Cj Watson
SF Kelenna Azubuike
PF ?????
C Jamareo Davidson

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by jandaman! on Jul 19, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

blair is the farthest thing from a sf and we won’t be able to get him for marco. are you confusing dajuan blair with someone else? maybe dajuan summers from the pistons?

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by cap'n hack on Jul 19, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

none of those

big names like dirk,david lee,lamarcus,or amare would come to our team after what happened to jamal and our organization even our coach sucks! why did you say Amare he didn’t want to come to us now what makes you think when he is a free agent he would come here when he can go to a better team. I always hoped that Amare would come here because of our style and us fans but he said it perfectly…………… our management sucks………… with the exception of larry rilley because so far he has made one good move and bad move (bad move being the jamal trade). I say that in my opinion because jamal avg. almost 20 ppg and we get 2 people who haven’t avg. 2 points in the past 2 seasons. I mean seriously we couldn’t get anybody better

by deandres2k on Jul 19, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cap relief and expiring contracts, especially as Speedy’s contract is partially (mostly?) paid by insurance, was a pretty good haul IMO. In this economy, expiring contracts will probably be able to net us a solid bench player around the trade deadline.

by rjnarayen on Jul 19, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

expiring contracts will probably be able to net us a solid bench player

Yeah, we need lots more of those.

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