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Jennings Over Curry

I was wondering if any1 was sharing my feelings of disgust concerning choosing Curry over Jennings? If I'm not mistaken, we already possess an absurd amount of scorers on our team,  I was a little bothered by the pick, but was momentarily put at ease when i heard curry speak about his desire to be a true point guard. 

Then when the summer league started and i saw Curry struggling to keep a handle on the ball, appearing to only be concerned w/ finding his own shot, and lacking the ability to see the court and make the pass, i became frustrated. Infuriation didn't set in until I saw Jennings averaging 8 assist alongside semi-descent talent, and dripping w/ unbelievable playmaking ability!!!

I want you guys to fantasize about this: Brandon Jennings alongside Monte, Stack Jack, Randolph, Beidrins, as well the rest of our score studded roster. Imagine how good we would've been!!!

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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It's just Summer League

I don’t know who will be the better player in a few years, but I’m not jumping to any conclusions just yet. I didn’t care for the Curry pick either, but be patient before anointing Jennings a better player than Steph.

by jnormous on Jul 20, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Curry has shown some great BBIQ, which BJ really seems to lack. We’ll have to see in the long run who is better, but I have really liked what I have seen from Curry thus far and in his collegiate career,

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by LostHawkGSW on Jul 20, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Meh, I don't really trust people's "potential" basketball IQ anymore.

Ever since the Mike Dunleavy Jr. hype coming out of college, I learned not to get too excited over “smart” players unless they actually put it to use in the NBA. If Curry shows brilliance in the NBA then obviously he’ll be a good pick, but if all he can do is shoot then I don’t think he’s worth it. We already have enough guards and shooters on the team, and i’d rather play Monta at point over Curry instead of having a Curry/Monta backcourt.

If anything, I would have drafted Jennings just for his ballhandling and playmaking ability. It’s better to draft someone who can distribute the ball to our team that is already piled with scorers. Or we probably could have just traded the 7th pick in a package for someone really good, but I have no idea who.

I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted DeMar DeRozan or Terrence Williams, either. We need some more SF’s on this team. I don’t want to spend time developing Stephen Curry as our point guard for the future when we already have Monta in the future who can eventually play that position. Monta has better handles than Curry, more athletic, more potential (imo), and is deadly when driving it in the rim. People just tend to forget about how much we really loved Monta because everyone got all butthurt when Monta hurt himself. All of a sudden, Monta is one of the most hated players on the team.We’re just going to end up with the shortest backcourt in the league by drafting Curry.

Jordan Hill is another player I didn’t want. He can be good, but we already have Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright to develop at the power forward positions. Having three young PF’s to develop would be a waste since we won’t be able to give each of them enough playing time to develop properly.

by Precise Films Productions on Jul 20, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monta has better handles than Curry

don’t know about this one. imo, Monta is pretty poor at ball-handling. Curry looked slow, but overall his handle seemed average.

Jordan Hill is another player I didn’t want.
i concur. i’m not excited about Curry, i’m just glad we didn’t draft Jordan Hill. Hill did not look very athletic out there for the NYKs.

by homer simpson on Jul 21, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say Monta has good ball handling skills

Most of his turnovers come from bad passes. Monta gets to the rim and zips around defenses mostly due to his speed, but a player doesn’t run as fast as Monta without losing the ball unless he has excellent handles.

by myk on Jul 21, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

? you don’t have to have excellent handles to not lose the ball if you’re fast even at the college level.

signs that he has poor handles: limited dribbling with his off hand, tends to dribble with his palm, the ball randomly flies away from him a little too often, has difficulty protecting his dribble when facing a defender and he has a relatively high dribble.

by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

you would have drafted jennings for his ballhandling and playmaking ability, but expressed displeasure that drafting curry would make us the shortest back court in the league? newsflash: jennings is shorter than curry and skinnier.

….

by hellafornia on Jul 21, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

you would have drafted jennings for his ballhandling and playmaking ability, but expressed displeasure that drafting curry would make us the shortest back court in the league? newsflash: jennings is shorter than curry and skinnier.

  I think the arguement would be that we could trade Montay for a bigger 2 guard if we had drafted a better handling point guard? while Curry doesn’t give us that luxury??

" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

why doesn’t Curry give us that luxury? he played well as a pg in college.

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by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

he played well as a pg in college?

      Hey Sammy,what you doing up so late? You move to Latvia?
   I don’t watch college ball but Curr-bury’s stats sound like he’s a scorer instead of a playmaker? Sounds pretty much like another Montay??
    Now Jennings I know even less about but apparently some say he’s a natural point?
     However I don’t think I’d want another guy who can’t pass the college entrance exams??

" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

BBIQ?

How are all those assists jennings is getting considered low BBIQ.
I admit i been a fan of jennings since the mcdonald all-american game, but i know that kid is the FACILITATOR we desperately needed.
Can some1 agree w/ me that we needed a pass-first point guard versus another score?

by CAVOSZIA on Jul 20, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

jennings’ PG experience was in HS (so was ellis’ fwiw) while Curry played PG in college with success – not a “pass first” PG, but he played it and well at a level of competition that jennings hasn’t even faced yet … in europe jennings was the third best PG on his club … so we’ll all be interested to see how he makes the transition to the NBA, but nothing in his experience has convinced most that he’d be any better than Curry – in fact, quite the opposite … will be interesting to compare them after a few seasons

by hardcore on Jul 20, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not exactly clear what “he played it and well at a level of competition that jennings hasn’t even faced yet” means, but if you mean to imply Curry’s level of competition in college was better than Jenning’s in Europe, you’re dead wrong. Italian league > College. If you’re referring to it keeping in mind how Curry actually got to play while Jennings mostly sat on the bench, though, obviously that’s a much more reasonable take.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

it= PG

my impression of Euroball is lower than D-1, could be wrong but probably not “dead wrong” – though obviously Davidson was not the elite of D-1 schools … regardless, jennings was the third best PG on his euro club and wasn’t even activated for their final round in the playoffs

So Jennings didn’t play PG much there anyway, as you say, so the highest level he played PG extensively was in HS – which was my point: Curry has more experience as a PG at a higher level

by hardcore on Jul 21, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I got the it=PG part, but Euroball is not lower than D-1. Well, it can be. There are lots of different leagues in Europe, but Jennings was playing in the premier league over there (Italy), and it’s the second best league in the world (or 3rd if you want to consider Euroleague an actual league). So you are dead wrong about the competition level in Europe in this case, but I see your point about Jennings’ and Curry’s PT.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

if that was the league Marco came out of, and I’m not sure it was but think so, it is vastly overrated

what I haven’t seen is your rationale for why Curry < Jennings

by hardcore on Jul 21, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because Marco isn’t an NBA star now that league is overrated? It’s not like Marco tore that league up or anything. It’s a very, very good league. Do you know what a lot of really good college players do who don’t make the NBA? They play in Europe (and get paid well for it), and Italy is the top league to play for.

We’ve been over the Curry v. Jennings thing enough, so I won’t go into detail, I just would rather have taken a chance on Jennings’ athleticism. I think Jennings has a lot more star potential than Curry (and a lot more complete bust potential).

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

if that was the league Marco came out of, and I’m not sure it was but think so, it is vastly overrated

First of all Marco didn’t put up great numbers there. Second of all it’s a pretty strong league. You’d have a hard time finding as strong of competition anywhere outside of the NBA. Here are some guys you would have faced playing in the Italian league over the last 20 yrs.

Vinny Del Negro
Toni Kukoč
Terry Teagle
Orlando Woolridge
Željko Rebrača
Jorge Garbajosa
Boštjan Nachbar
Charlie Bell
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Andrea Bargnani
Maurice Evans
John Lucas III
Pops Mensah-Bonsu

And those are just the highlights from one team. If you are a pro and you can’t make the NBA (or are only getting paid the league minimum here) then going to Italy is one of your best options. Here are some notables from the history of Serie A Basketball

Bill Bradley, Bob McAdoo, Joe “Belly Bean” Bryant, George Gervin, Mike D’Antoni, Oscar Schmidt, Joe Barry Carroll, Micheal Ray Richardson, Toni Kukoč, Vinnie Del Negro, Zeljko Rebraca, Orlando Woolridge, Dominique Wilkins, Radoslav Nesterovic, Daniel Santiago, Manu Ginóbili, Marko Jaric, Sasha Vujačić, Anthony Parker, Jorge Garbajosa, Maurice Evans, Carlos Delfino, Bostjan Nachbar, Beno Udrih, Trajan Langdon, Travis Best, Yakhouba Diawara, Roko Ukic, Earl Boykins, Andrea Bargnani, Marco Belinelli, Primoz Brezec, Danilo Gallinari

Those are just the guys you may have heard of. There are plenty of very good players that stay overseas. Yeah, D-1 ball is played at a pretty high level, and has obviously produced a list of players that would put this to shame, but the talent is much more diluted and in Serie A you are playing against physically and mentally mature professional players. I don’t get to watch enough to make a great judgment about how you’d compare the two, but I think it’s safe to say that the level of competition in Serie A is probably underrated by most American fans.

I’m sure UNC could have done very well against most Italian teams, but they are lightyears better than the average D-1 team. I’m guessing if you put the Serie A champion in a middle of the road D-1 conference it would get ugly.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 21, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

you used Tskitishvili to support your point :-)

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Yeah, there are a few guys on that list that aren’t NBA caliber players, but they were players that were good enough to get drafted and hang around an NBA roster for a few years. Nobody is saying that Serie A is comparable to the NBA, but there is a pretty high level of talent from all over the world playing there.

The funny part is that IIRC Skitch (I am Spartacus!) didn’t play much, or well when he was in Serie A, but was picked more on a “potential” basis.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 21, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jennings was playing in the premier league over there

nope
new ULEB rankings rank ‘Italian Lega A’ as second national championship after Spanish ACB (third is Greece) ULEB League Rankings

BTW ULEB Euroleague is competition where are playing top teams of top national championships

actually -i’ll laugh every time when anyone will say that some college team can beat top Euroleague team

30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 21, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting, Spain has been number 2 for a while but I didn’t realize they passed up the Italian League.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he was a pass first pg

davidson would have been 8-25. Point is, its hard to say how he’ll handle himself with 4 other legitimate players who can score. Will he still take 25 shots a game? I doubt it. I also doubt he’ll be jason kidd dishing 20 assists and scoring only when necessary.

by tafkasam on Jul 21, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who?

both Curry and Jennings have shown an aptitude to score, in bunches. There is no question that Curry is the better shooter, and that Jennings is the better point guard.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 20, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

scorer

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Dirk [in Hassellhoff accent]: "That baby don't look like me!"

by AR4 on Jul 20, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

while I agree that Jennings has been a better facilitator, curry has more overall basketball knowledge both from his NBA background and being the leader of Davidson where he was asked to do it all. Defense, score under pressure, pass, etc. Jennings didn’t really show much in Europe and this is the summer league. He probably knew of GM’s concerns with him being too flashy and out of control, consequently, he started facilitating more. We’ll see how much of a facilitator he will be if Sessions goes to NY like its being rumored.

LGW

by jpratm on Jul 20, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate Brandon Jennings

He’s just a rookie and is already acting like a big contract MVP

by Golden Boy on Jul 20, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

The kid has confidence, maybe too much, but

thats no reason to think he won’t be a star in the NBA.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 20, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea, I’m definitely not impressed with his talk:performance ratio so far

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 20, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol its just summer leauge. Curry will be better in the NBA. I would put money on it.

by GSWeri on Jul 20, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

curry would have had more assists if..

other players actually made shots. during Summer league, he had a lot of decent passes and was under control, but you had a lot of other players missing shots or curry making a lot of passes early in the possession to facilitate.

by hellafornia on Jul 20, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh man...

Jennings isn’t a difference maker. However, Curry might just end up being a Reggie Miller type shooter who can be you go to option at the end of a game. How many times in the last 3 years did the warriors spread it 5 wide and let Monta or Baron or Jackson dribble the clock down at the end of a quarter, half or game just to rush a running drive or a off balance stop and pop? At no time were any those guys a threat, but the hype around Curry is that could be that type of player.

Where as Jennings is not that type of guy, in fact he’s a guy that needs the ball in his hands a majority of the type in order to be an effective player. One problem, Monta is the same type of player. Curry gives us options, because he can play of the ball as more of catch and shoot type player or he can run the point (albeit not as true pg) to facilitate the offense. This would allow Nelson to better play match up, to have the ball in Jackson hands running the half court set and then switch to Monta, then again to Curry or potentially even Randolph. Jennings on the other hand, I believe, require more of a traditional half court set were he can break down defenders and facilitate the offense for the rest of the team. I think Skilies and Milwaukee is a good fit for him just as Curry is the perfect type of player for Nellie ball.

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by mcwalter44 on Jul 20, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

You may be right about Jennings needing the ball a lot, but you’re not right about Monta. Monta is a very good player off the ball and does not need to dominate posessions.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1
Monta is a very good player off the ball and does not need to dominate posessions.

Yeah, to this point he’s performed much better off the ball. Mostly thanks to his ability to leak out on fast breaks and finish, which is something his game is missing at the PG spot.

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by olympicmike on Jul 21, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He moves without the ball well. He’s not a Rip Hamilton running off screens, but he has a good feel for when to cut to the hoop for an open layup.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Jennings is MUCH better in a run n gun style than a half court set. When he is forced to slow down and run a half court set he usually dribbles around and ends up taking a fade a way shot even if he is wide open. I think he would have fit in good here, but we picked Curry and I’m not too upset with the pick. I don’t know about the future, but both could become very good players in different ways.

by warriOs on Jul 21, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's just summerleague

why don’t you post something like Marcus Williams over Curry?

30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 20, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

lol

curry will be good…. don’t know about Jennings. I don’t think he likes it down in Milwaukee

Stop.......... Hammertime!!!!!

by MR. Bigshot 123 on Jul 20, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no player named "Monte" on the team.

by jae on Jul 20, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

There is not no player named Montay on the team?

" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Montay is a commune

 so little moped is a commie? I always knew he was shady.

" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

little gremlin from the kremlin

-must be he got some pay from Kirilenko

30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 20, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Montay”, at least reflects a more phonetic spelling of the way he pronounces his name. “Monte” is an altogether different name.

by jae on Jul 20, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

while "Monta" is a common Latvian name

pronounced as Mont’a -name day october 11(nWiki)
-only problem -it’s traditionally a female name

30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 20, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

-it’s traditionally a female name

maybe that explains why he falls off his bike and goes boom?

" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I want to know is can they ride mopeds

without hurting themselves?

" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

that wasn’t the first thing you wanted to know, admit it ..

by hardcore on Jul 20, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I want to know, but I am semi interested to hear where Lat dug up those pics.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 20, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

here you go google

30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 21, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m afraid to click that link

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

guess it’s safe to assume you haven’t clicked on the Evony button?

perhaps it’s time to start your journey now

by hardcore on Jul 22, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

too much is placed on post college pre draft work outs and hype. We didnt take the best player available (Jordan Hill or Brandon Jennings) or the best player that would fit best in our system (Terrance Williams) or even the player with the most upside (DeMar Derozen or Jrue Holliday). I like Curry, he sounds good in the media. He is certainley a safe pick, he’ll do ok in the pros. At the same time, I have a growing feeling at looking back at this draft with remorse (think nearly every other draft in the last 15 years).

I really wish we took Brandon Jennings over Stephan Curry.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 20, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens

by The Dedication on Jul 20, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you +1’ing that we didn’t take the BPA (that being Hill/jennings), because we don’t actually know who the BPA was at our pick at this point. Or are you agreeing with Terrence Wililams being the best fit (Terrence Williams sucks!)? Or agreeing that Derozen and Holliday have the most upside (can’t say I agree with Holliday, he’s just not that athletic)? Basically I disagree with almost this whole post, and don’t like that you +1’ed it. :)

I would have taken Jennings over Curry…but I can’t say I’m upset about what we did.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I Was +1'ing

to wanting to have Brandon Jennings over Monta Ellis #2 w/o the speed but with a better outside shot. Jennings scores but he has shown a better ability to pass more than Steph so far. Curry in summer league looks like more of a chucker than a facilitator. If it was between Curry and Hill or the other picks, I’d pick Curry. But I think Brandon Jennings would have fit the system here more because he seems to be a player who thrives in the open court fast break situation while still being able to to run a half court offense. Since Monta is a better off the ball player, Jennings seems more likely to run the offense (If there is such thing as an offensive gameplan) better than Curry would

GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens

by The Dedication on Jul 21, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright, I like your version with the explanation better. Well done.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Curry can show me that he can play point and not take twenty bad shots a game.

I will like him more. Use that great IQ to figure out that he should pass more. But on defense Jennings is just awful and Curry is a pretty solid defender.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"

by dubzfan on Jul 20, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

But on defense Jennings is just awful and Curry is a pretty solid defender.

What? What are you basing this statement on? Check out what happened to Ricky Rubio when he played against Jennings. I am not saying that Jennings is Gary Payton, but I think he is alright on defense. At the same time, I have seen no evidence to suggest that Curry is anything but a horriable defender. Please help me out and show me any respectable media source that says Curry is a “pretty solid defender”.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 20, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

At leat in SL

Curry managed to stay in front of his man and steal the ball several times.

Plus he hustled to get rebounds as well.

But again – summer league

by mosdl on Jul 20, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

if i remember correctly

it was Jennings who had 7 steals in 1 game in SL.

by farid on Jul 21, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched Jennings and he looked like Marco his rookie year

Curry some times harassed his man and got alot of steals, he never really looked to confused out there. Curry also looks stronger then Jennings.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"

by dubzfan on Jul 20, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN insider Curry and Jennings, positives and negatives

Just defense stuff, edited out the offensive part

Curry
Positives:
Good rebounder for his size
Excellent basketball IQ
Picks up steals

Negatives:
A tweener
Lacks size at his natural position
Needs to add strength, slight frame
Just a decent athlete
Not particularly quick or explosive

Jennings
Positives:
Playing D is one of Jennings’ assignments in Italy.
Freakish athleticism
Big hands
Excellent speed
Very quick
Quick first step
Change of speeds
Very fluid
Explosive leaper
Outstanding court vision
Dangerous ball thief

Negatives:
Lacks great size
Slight build
Defensive gambler

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 20, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its seems like Jennings has all the traits for being a great athlete, but Curry has the I.Q.

It is the shoes!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jul 20, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

two wrongs

  don’t make a right?

" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...

Both guys like size. Jennings is an athletic freak and Curry is more of gym rat. Here’s the one key you’re missing the pro-jennings side that was pointed out in your Chad based post. “Good rebounder for his size” and “Excellent basketball IQ” to incredibly important things especially if he’s paired with Ellis on the court.

Now don’t get me wrong. Jennings is tremendous athlete and the current state of the NBA calls for more and more athleticism. If you think Curry can’t cut it because he’s not athletic enough to play 30 mins a night in the NBA than just say it. Otherwise, I’d rather just have a gunner like Curry who can use his high basketball IQ to fox the opponent to get himself open looks or if need facilitate the offense for the Warriors.

A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Jul 20, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you mean

Both guys lack size

It is the shoes!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jul 20, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

true...

A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Jul 21, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's not fair

Very quick and quick first step is the same idea,you make it look like Jennings is a 2x better than Curry.

by Curry on Jul 20, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

When it comes to athleticism,

he is 2X better

GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens

by The Dedication on Jul 21, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

DEFENSE!

a lot of analysts were praising jennings’ ability to harass pgs. he does take a lot of risks in the passing lanes but his on ball defense looks sharp.

by dong4ce on Jul 20, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm not crazy on curry

and with that said, i’m so glad we didn’t take jennings

by AJC3317 on Jul 20, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

What about Jennings bothers you?

Attitude? Just curious, why your not crazy on Curry but glad we didnt take Jennings.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 20, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defense? did you see his steal total? it was pretty nice. And yes i know steals are not the full embodiment of a good defender, but @ 19 there’s plenty of time to develop in to 1.

somebody made mention that “curry is the better shooter, but jennings is better point guard” and this is absolutely true. last time i looked at our roster, we had enough damn shooters, but really needed some1 to pass that damn ball. have we adressed that need?
what do yall think about that?

by CAVOSZIA on Jul 20, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

its just the summer league

look how derrick rose did in the summer league last year.. curry will be fine once the season gets going.

by iLLMATIC. on Jul 20, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

curry will be fine once the season gets going.

Doing what? Playing point? Next to Ellis (over Azibuike and Morrow) at the 2? I see Curry playing about 12 minutes(year end stats) shooting well but not doing much to help determine the outcome of games…

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 20, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im sorry but illmatic is my favorite album


I’m listening to it right now.

It is the shoes!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jul 20, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

stillmatic was my favorite of nas

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by gametime_gsw on Jul 20, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. Illmatic
2. It Was Written
3. Stillmatic

It is the shoes!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jul 20, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?! No “Nastradamus” on your list at all? ; )

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by sam23 on Jul 20, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nastradamus was alright.

It is the shoes!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jul 21, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked Jennings too

but curry is more mature at this point.

hope jennings don’t end up being a “taebo ho” like Nas said to JZay. “you 36 in a karate class???”

by yobo on Jul 21, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based on ur stance...

We should have signed Marcus Williams extended his contract because he averaged 8.2apg for Memphis in the summer league. The same Apg as BJennings this summer. We all knew how well Marcus Williams did and how well he really fit in our system. It is just summer league. Dont get your hopes up.

by deusdeceptor on Jul 20, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Nobody takes Jennings with the 7th pick in that draft ...

The dude was the 4th PG taken in what’s widely considered a weak draft.

Most people seem to think Curry has a lot more talent. If neither is a “pure” point, then you’ve got to take the guy with more talent.

Truth is, nobody knows if either of these guys are going to excel at the pro level. People have educated guesses, but it’s way too early to second-guess this pick.

by Ronaldinho on Jul 20, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nobody takes 2 PGs with back-to-back picks but it happened

This draft was all sorts of weird and I don’t agree with Curry having more talent than Jennings but I will agree with you that it is too early to know anything right now.

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by The Dedication on Jul 21, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

i heard brandon jennings cant shoot. i havnt checked his stats or watched him play, but there no way he’ll be a good PG if can’t shoot.

i dont know if you saw the same LVSl games that i saw because the games i saw curry was doing a great job creating opportunities for his temates. curry does pass the ball well and shoots the ball lights-out, which makes him much more dangerous than jennings at the point.

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by gametime_gsw on Jul 20, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

“but there no way he’ll be a good PG if can’t shoot.”

Rajon Rondo disagrees. Tony Parker (beginning to start shooting now, definitely did not before) does, too.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gonna go ahead and add Jason Kidd to your list.

by rjnarayen on Jul 21, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, though Kidd actually shoots a high percentage now from 3, which surprised me when I looked it up. I still don’t think he’s a good shooter, but he picks his spots and only takes open 3’s and is good enough to hit those at a good % – 40.6% and 38.1% the last couple years.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, last year he was a good 3pt shooter. One columnist (don’t remember who) said that it was probably because of his reduced role on the team. In NJ, he was almost solely responsible for running that break. In Dallas, there are a lot of other offensive options, so he has more energy and more chances to spot up for higher-percentage looks.

by rjnarayen on Jul 21, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

When we first trade for Williams i was juiced!!! he was the ALL-TIME assist leader @ Uconn& i thought that he was the point guard we needed. needles @say, Nellie obviously didn’t like him, & will probably go be a a tremendous player in Memphis, kinda like an array of other x-Warriors.

BJ isn’t a great shooter, but im willing to bet $ his shot will develop way b4 curry’s PLAYMAKING ability surfaces to even remotely resemble the ability jennings possesses.

Will the curry fans at least admit that we had a stronger need in finding a pass-first point guard, as oppose to signing another scorer?

by CAVOSZIA on Jul 20, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions  

marcus williams isnt going to be a tremendous player in the mode of other x-warriors because the other x-warriors actually played as warriors. williams rode the bench all year long.

bj isn’t that bad of a shooter, but curry show some glimpse of play making ability at summer league and in college. he didnt go take davidson to elite 8 on his back without having some kind of playmaking ability.

will you at least admit that jennings had maturity issues and the dubs had a stronger need in finding not only a pass first point guard but also a mature point guard with the promise of being a future leader that we havent had since baron left? the last thing we needed with the warriors was another lightening rod for controversy (the rubio comment, and the youtube vid).

by hellafornia on Jul 21, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

will probably go be a a tremendous player in Memphis, kinda like an array of other x-Warriors.

no, he will either be a role player or barely in or out of the league just like an array of other ex-Warriors that Nelson hardly ever played. Diogu, POB, Lasme, Hendrix, DeMarcus Nelson, Anthony Roberson, DaJuan Wagner, Keith McLeod, Austin Croshere, Troy Hudson, Rob “the Randolph motivator” Kurz (contrary to popular belief about his playing time, he played less than Foyle did).

Nelson may be perpetually drunk on the job, but he’s yet to have an ex-player he thought was a scrub become a tremendous player.

by homer simpson on Jul 21, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think Jennings is going to be a demon on the court, but i’m glad the dubs didn’t take him. guys like that need structure. can you imagine all the bad shots and risky passes he would make in the dubs or NYKs wide open systems? if anyone saw game 2 they’ll know what i mean. he’ll still do those things in Milwaukee, but he’ll have a lot fewer chances to do them.

to be honest, i’m just glad we didn’t take Jordan Hill. guy did not look athletic during SL.

by homer simpson on Jul 21, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

If you think Jennings is going to be a demon on the court

than why would running in an open system like D’Antoni or Nelson would let him excel? A person who has the athleticism and vision like Jennings would be the ideal PG other than the fact that he’s not a great shooter. But the shot will come in time if he has a good enough coach that wants him to reach his full potential?

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by The Dedication on Jul 21, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

why would you not want him running in an open system like D’Antoni or Nelson?

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by The Dedication on Jul 21, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

?

freedom on the court requires good decision making. a wide open system requires that you discipline yourself to take good shots and make smart passes. if you saw him play, you’d have seen how easy it is for Jennings to start going one on one, hoisting bad shots and throwing risky passes.

he needs the structure of a system to force him to make simpler reads instead of trying to “hit a homerun” on every single play.

by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

On this team we have now,

there are no good decision makers and Jennings, like Curry is now, would have the best court vision on the whole team. Every player on this team takes many bad shots unless they are really hot and we don’t have any good passers. By getting Jennings, yes he would have to learn how to shoot the ball better, but he would have made the team much better with his passing skills. Every player will turn it over and all rookies most likely will screw up more than vets, but he has the ability to make the good pass.

For the most part, he makes the good pass but adds a little flash to it so it seems to be more of a homerun type of play. He can make the simple pass look good like old school White Chocolate (via Kings) and still make the harder ones like Nash. Yes he will screw up like anyone else but he would be much more productive under the 48 minutes of hell instead of what Skilies is going to make him run

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by The Dedication on Jul 22, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

your opinion, which neither the Warriors or Knicks braintrusts seem to share. seeing as how they know the most about their respective systems, i’m inclined to disagree with you.

being a good passer and being a good decision maker are completely different things. adding another bad decision maker just b/c no one else makes good decisions isn’t exactly a recipe for success even if he’s a better passer than they are. the only area where i noticed he makes above average reads is with ball screen. it’s not whether you screw up, it’s about how many chances you have to screw up and how often you do screw up in those chances. Skiles will limit Jennings opportunities to screw up by placing him in a system where he’s making a 2-3 option read vs a 4-5 one. in this system, i’d rather take a good decision maker with decent passing skills over a better passer who makes horrible decisions.

and Jennings is no ‘Jason Williams on the Kings’ in terms of passing ability or flashiness.

by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not hurt that they don't trust me

since I don’t see the Warriors or Knicks as respected teams in the NBA in the past few years.

What have you seen from Jennings so much that makes you think he’s such a bad decision maker? From what I’ve seen during Summer League and the little I could watch oversees he didn’t seem to be as bad as you make him out to be. He’ll make the mistakes until he becomes used to the NBA which might be in 3 years, but at that time, that would make him only 22. When he has it figured out, combining his good passing ability with good decision making skills can make him a deadly PG on his team. He’s only 19 and with more experience, I’ll put my money that he’ll be a better player than Curry when it comes to faciliating and running an offense. But hey, what do I know, I’m not a GM who scouts talent so we’ll just have to wait and see.

I would say wait and see when the season comes around to see the one of the most flashiest passers in the league since throwback J-Will but Skilies won’t be tolerating any of that. If he was here or with NY, you would probably have to retract that statement after a few games of razzle’n’dazzle

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by The Dedication on Jul 23, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who is still really, really happy with the Curry pick? It seems like his shine sure wore off fast around here despite the fact that he really didn’t play all that poorly in summer league. I’m not saying he’s better than Monta, but I really, really, really like the kid and he did a pretty dang good job running the point his last year in college.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 12:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree

We all need to step back from the summer league and not draw too many hard and fast conclusions. Yes he might have tried to do too much offensively, maybe he forced his shot a bit. But in terms of overall impressions, what i saw from Curry was a guy who manages the game well, pushes tempo, defends decently well in terms of positioning and steals, and a guy that possesses a lightening-quick release.

As far as Jennings over Curry, I don’t know where people get the impression that we have a bunch of good shooters. In fact, we have a lot of shooters, just not good ones. This is why I would take Curry over Jennings all day long. I think (hope) that the franchise is moving away from the inefficiency of the BD/SJax era of high volume shooting and high turnover basketball. A future backcourt rotation of Ellis, Curry, and Morrow has the potential to be very efficient from the floor and from behind the arc.

I will keep saying this, but we need to think about the team in terms of the rotation. CURRY IS NOT MEANT TO REPLACE ELLIS. He is meant to be a part of the rotation, a smart, charismatic, and dead-eye part of the rotation.

by eastbayglory on Jul 21, 2009 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's Summer League

of course we are going to draw criticisms and praise. We all fell in love with Marco because of Summer League.

I don’t like the A:TO Ratio of Curry and the amount of shots he takes. He doesn’t seem to get the team on as much as he could. Our team has some decent shooters when they don’t have to do too much. The team works well when they are passing the ball and getting everyone involved and I don’t see Curry as that person who is willing to give up the ball and become the distributor. How many great scorers sacrificed their scoring to become a true Point Guard? I only ask because Curry is a scorer and he doesn’t look as if he is really going to become a pass first PG in the future…

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by The Dedication on Jul 21, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

We all fell in love with Marco because of Summer League.

I didn’t. And as you can tell… everyone on this site except for a selected few(me) do not like Marco.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

And as you can tell… everyone on this site except for a selected few(me) do not like Marco.

what the heck are you basing that on? I don’t think thats true at all.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a difference between not liking Marco (what you’re asserting) and believing that he’s not the best option for backup SG or PG (what more people seem to hink).

by rjnarayen on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

A future backcourt rotation of Ellis, Curry, and Morrow has the potential to be very efficient from the floor and from behind the arc.

It also has the potential to be one of the worst defensive backcourts in the history of this league.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

how is a Jennings, Ellis, Morrow backcourt much better defensively?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not advocating that.

If you read what i said….i said i wanted to draft Jennings then trade Monta and some other players for more well rounded players. my point is wouldn’t you agree a Jennings/(sg)Brandon Rush/John Salmons/ backcourt type would be much better defensively. but if you were intending to play monta, and curry or brandon…i don’t think that will work.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don’t know. It depends on what kind of a trade you’re talking about. Obviously a Monta for Brandon Rush trade is awful for us no matter how small our backcourt currently is.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know but Monta for a ....

group of players including someone like a brandon rush(i’m only using him because reports are that hes a good defender and he seems to be a pretty decent scorer from checking stats from when he became the starter when dunleavy went down.
I know we can’t do this for awhile because they just signed Tyler and Jones but i would be very down with:
GSW Receives: Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones, Tyler Hansborough, and 1 or 2 first round draft picks.
IND: Monta
Rush: in his 20 starts shots 47% from the field, 41% from 3, got 5.5 boards a game and averaged 16 ppg to go along with is very good defense.
Jones was one of the top defenders in the league last year. Hansborough looks like he has the nba body and athleticsm to be a good player in this league. He also can shoot the 3 as evidenced in the summer league(thats the only thing i think you can prove in the summer league especially if you are a big man), hes got beef, hes very tough, and rebounds always transition well to the pros and hes going to be a great rebounder. We also get a first rounder or two and i think this is a very solid deal. We get 2 great defensive players, beef , rebounding and post defense, and 1 or 2 high first rounders….. what do you think sam.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

or shane battier, Brooks/Lowry, and hayes/landry.

these trades would help our team alot.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

trading Monta Ellis right now would be insane,

Monta Ellis’s trade value is at its lowest right now.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 22, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think adding Shane battier

Aaron Brooks, and chuck Hayes probably would be a great trade. It fills our defensive problems upbwith two of the best defenders in the league at their respective position and a true point guard who’s pretty good and destroyed the lakers in the playoffs.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trading a good player for a collection of lesser players is a bad move. The teams top 3 players are more important than the other 9 combined. Horrible trade idea.

by Missing Barry on Jul 22, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

So adding 2 of the best defensive players in the game

and a pretty good proven point guard for our undersized sg who can’t defend anyone is a horrible trade for us.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, because first of all, I think Monta is a better defender than he’s given credit for. Second, who’s this proven point guard anyways? Third, we’ll have an even larger collection of marginal wings, with 1 less guy that’s actually a good player. Fourth, Hansbrough is not a good rebounder. We’re losing a legitimate starter who adds a lot of offense for a bunch of guys who just add to the dime a dozen role players we already have.

by Missing Barry on Jul 22, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, because first of all, I think Monta is a better defender than he’s given credit for.

Well, thats your oppinion but Monta is a terrible defender….please don’t say otherwise.

Second, who’s this proven point guard anyways?

I kinda moved on to the Houston trade idea where we would get Shane Battier, Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes, and a first round pick or two.
The proven point guard would be Aaron Brooks. The guy who lit up the lakers in the postseason and had a very good second half of the season as the starter.
Third, we’ll have an even larger collection of marginal wings, with 1 less guy that’s actually a good player.

We acquire one wing in this deal. Shane Battier who happens to be more than a marginal wing. He’s one of the top 2 or 3 defenders this league has to offer. He is a good 3 point shooter and therefore he would still have a place in our offense. So Shane Battier isn’t a good player…..?? Chuck Hayes would automatically be our best post defender(he already is one of the top in the league.), and Aaron Brooks would be a proven point guard of higher quality than any of the players on our roster(don’t go all Curry homerism on me…. he s good but Brooks is proven to be a good starter in this league.).
We’re losing a legitimate starter who adds a lot of offense for a bunch of guys

Well you have to give up good talent to get good talent.
who just add to the dime a dozen role players we already have.

Ok i’m going to defend both trade proposals here… but Houston deal is much better and as i said realistic(to a degree…none of these are.).
So you are saying we have 2 great defenders in Rush and Jones already on this team……
and how would the type of players we need be dime in a dozen role players we already possess.
Hansborough is a type of player we need. We have someone like him in Turiaf…but its nice to have a very good rebounding Turiaf….wouldn’t you agree. And high lottery picks i’m assuming if we do this trade.
Ok….for the Houston trade…..Are you mad?
Shane Battier and Chuck Hayes….two of the best defensive players in this league, somehow are dime in a dozen role players that WE of all teams already possess.
And a proven point guard….yet again something we don’t have….somehow fits this category as well………?

Fourth, Hansbrough is not a good rebounder

What makes you say that. Rebounding almost always transitions from college to the pro’s. so does defense. he was very good in both of those categories in college. among the best. He averaged around 8.5 rebounds per 30 minutes in college against pretty good competition.
His rebounding numbers in the D….i mean summer league weren’t the best but he had Roy Hibbert clogging up the lanes and…. its the summer league. Randolph’s rebounding numbers were only 8.5 in substantial minutes.
This was a very thoughtless post on your behalf. And if you were responding to the Indiana Trade(which doesn’t make a difference in my opinion(i could do this for that trade as well)) i wouldn’t care if you just stated your opinion….but you didn’t(well your monta opinion has been already been in conclusion that its wrong) and don’t have your facts correct…..for either side. You can still think its a bad trade but have some good reasoning behind it.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I didn’t look at the Houston trade, I was only talking about the Pacers one.

With regards to Hansbrough’s rebounding numbers, here you go: Link

I understand rebounding numbers translate well, what I also understand is Hansbrough was not a great rebounder in college. For some reason he wasn’t on that list, so I looked him up and if he was, he’d be at #75. Turiaf doesn’t rebound very well, either, by the way.

Quoting John Hollinger, “Ellis is amazingly quick for his size, and that speed enables him to repeatedly beat defenses down the floor for easy baskets and run down loose balls with ease. He’s also good at cutting off opposing point guards’ penetration for this reason, and slid into position to draw 42 offensive fouls — only two guards accepted more. On the downside, Ellis gets abused by bigger guards in size mismatches, especially when he has to play the 2, and often falls asleep on the weak side.”

At the 2 he probably is a bad defender. Guarding 1’s he’s adequate enough, in my opinion. Either way, the Pacers trade is terrible because Rush and Jones would just add to our glut of backup wings (Maggette, Buike, Morrow), essentially adding nothing while depriving us of Monta, who is a good player. Hansbrough is garbage – not big/strong/long enough to play good D, doesn’t rebound well, not much of a post game at the NBA level, so we’d be banking on the draft picks, and unless they net us top 3 picks we can’t expect to get anyone as good as Ellis.

The Rockets trade is much better, and I’m just going to leave it at that.

by Missing Barry on Jul 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

JH also said

a guy said look at the star rising in the bay. and he responded who…. monta ellis or the man hes guarding.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree the pacers trade is bad value but its like a poor mans version of the rockets trade
The Rockets trade is much better, and I’m just going to leave it at that.

Why don’t you say what you think of it?

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why don’t you say what you think of it?

Why don’t you run along. I heard mommy made Rice Krispy treats. ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 22, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Missing Barry:

See what happens when you’re forced to play with children? You end up with gum in your hair.

I still say this place needs a sandbox.

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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 22, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still high on Curry too. He shot poorly during the Summer League, but seeing as he shot well in college I’m sure this is only a rough patch. He does a lot of things well thanks to his BBIQ, as evidenced in his play. When his shot wasn’t falling, he was still doing fine on distributing and defense. We need guys like him who can contribute in different ways even on an off-night.

by WYK on Jul 21, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m all for that. I love guys who contribute all the time, with or without scoring. B.D. was like that. Miss that fool.

by Naticus on Jul 22, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nellie

when i made the comment about x-warriors i wasn’t necessarily referring to nellie (didn’t he cut webber?), but more to the luck of the warriors releasing players who go on to be studs elsewhere.

i was on the bucks blog, and 2 your point, i said that i was happy the warriors didint get him only because i agree that he does need structure, and i also thought nellie might break his rookie spirits.

i also said on that blog that i did wanna c him playing for the knicks because i know that D’antoni would have made him a better PG than nash ( his raw uncoached talent is close to the level of nash) and watching him pass would have been great for b-ball fans.

sam23, i am just curious as to y we picked up another scorer. as far as running the point @ Davidson, he was a 1man show w/ an occasional pass. if you like that kinda point guard then i bet your stoked.

people, im not denying curry’s ability to score! i know he can do that. i jus thought we had enough scores and needed some1 @pass the damn ball.

people are gonna c real quick that Jennings is a superstar in the making!

by CAVOSZIA on Jul 21, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Webber a scrub?

Don’t think Nellie or anyone else every thought that. And he was not cut.

Cav, it’s just too early to tell. Everyone may have their gut instincts and opinions about who is going to be better but no one can tell for sure. It’s even too early to say Jennings will be a better passing point guard than Curry. Or that Curry will be a better scorer than Jennings.

It may seem likely, but it is not a certainty that Jennings is a better passing PG.

by JSML on Jul 21, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, like i said, i think Jennings is going to drive people crazy on the court (both the opposition & his team). i just didn’t think he’d be a great fit with his size (listed at 6’1" 169 lbs) next to Monta and i felt the way he plays with reckless abandon would not work well in a free flowing system where you have a lot of freedom to make decisions. would have been interesting to see how he fared in NY, but it speaks to the concerns that he was not taken by them. he kind of has that TK/Marbury “me, me, me” personality.

not sure Curry is much better at 6’3", 185 and with a reputation of being more of a scorer. and if i were the GM & had actually watched both as much as Riley, i might have taken the risk on Jennings. i guess i had already resigned myself to the fact that it was pretty apparent that Jennings just wasn’t that high on many teams draft boards and that Riley would have taken Jordan Hill if Curry was not there. so if we were taking a PG, it was going to be Curry and i’m okay with that since i didn’t think Jordan Hill was all that athletic.

would have been interesting to hear who Mullin would have taken, but i’m 99% sure he would have taken Demar Derozan at 7 b/c he’s the biggest upside guy or Jordan Hill b/c Mullin has a fondness for drafting bigs with his 1st pick (Diogu, Biedrins, POB, Wright, Randolph).

by homer simpson on Jul 21, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

“would have been interesting to hear who Mullin would have taken”

Someone else said this in some previous comment, but I liked it, so I’m going to go with it. He would have taken Jennings because he’s left handed. :)

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, in that same blog i said that i was happy for the longevity of jennings careeer getting a point guard coach in scott skiles. i really feel that skiles is gonna be able to structure him like he needs.

by CAVOSZIA on Jul 21, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Curry will be great at PG. A lot of GM’s and coaches can see it. You just don’t.

by SB4Llfe on Jul 21, 2009 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

thats why 3 point guards were drafted before him.

you realize there were only 6 picks before him.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have picked Jennings over Curry. However, I don’t see how anyone can be particularly upset about it. After Griffin, this draft consistented of a lot of guys with some talent/potential, but lots of question marks. We took Curry, under the assumption he would be the best player/fit for our team that was still available (why else would you draft someone?). That’s fine with me, I’m hoping for the best. Jennings could easily turn out to be better than him, but with maturity and work ethic questions, it isn’t a sure thing in the least bit. If the questions with Jennings weren’t a big deal, he wouldn’t have fallen as far as he did.

Summer league should not be a significant factor in changing anyone’s opinion. It’s summer league.

by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I was PRO Jennings all the way up to the draft

then he started talking and talking. Anyway Jennings did really well taking command of his team in summer league and showed that he really is a pass first PG. I believe Jennings is the better PG but I’m not sure he is the better overall player. I guess we’re gonna have to wait 5 years or so to find out. Let’s hope Curry turns out better

by bushido on Jul 21, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

NBADRAFT.net summer league report

Here what they had to say about Jennings and Curry in their NBA SL Top 10 article. Mind you that they rated Jennings as the 2nd best rookie in the Vegas SL.

Brandon Jennings – Milwaukee / 14.6ppg, 2.6rpg, 8.2apg, 3.6stl, 37.9fg%

Jennings didn’t shoot particularly well (37.9 % fg) but every other part of his game was crisp. He led the summer league in steals (3.6) and was tied for the lead in assists (8.2). At times Jennings looked like he is ready to lead an NBA team now, or at least he is able to compete for minutes. The Bucks haven’t re-signed point guard Ramon Sessions, and seeing Jennings perform in Vegas may sway the ownership to go in other directions and depend on Jennings getting some big minutes. Running the show for Milwaukee, Jennings best stat was 4-1 (win/loss record).

And for Curry:

Stephen Curry – 17.4ppg, 4.6rpg, 4.2apg, 2.4stl, 32.5fg%
 
Curry struggled some with his shooting numbers with two subpar games to end the SL, but he put on a show in the second half of the Sacramento game showing great competitiveness after being challenged. His passing and quickness were also better than advertised.

My money is still on Curry being the better player, but as far as summer league play goes Jennings was the better player.

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by mcwalter44 on Jul 21, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I doubt it will happen, but if Jennings landing in Milwaukee allows us to sign Sessions to an MLE deal that won’t be matched by Milwaukee then it makes not drafting Jennings an even better move. Sessions+Curry>Jennings+other MLE signing

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be fantastic

 I’m not sure why Milwaukee won’t sign Sessions. I think they should, because BJ might not work out with Skiles.
Also Ramon does not shoot 3s, so if we play him together with Monta we will have 2 mid-range jumpshooters, which is bad for Nellie system. Still if we sign him, it will be a steal for us.

by farid on Jul 21, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sessions+Curry>Jennings+other MLE signing

Unfortunetly we are not using our MLE this off season. Best case scenario, we use part of it.
I disagree with Curry +Sessions are better than Jennings and other MLE signing. Sessions and Curry will sit behind our best player (Ellis) or force us to use 2 point guard lineups.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 21, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jennings is way more athletic

has way better handles than curry, can get into the lane at will, and there is no one in the league who can stay in front of him, barring maybe chris paul or ramon sessions. In a way it is a perfect pick for Milwaukee, because they will have 2 PGs who can make each other better in practice.
 We on the other hand still don’t have a PG. Curry has decent handles, but he is not a full-court press buster from what I’ve seen as he terminated dribble mid-court seemingly unable to get passed defender using his speed. And for all the talk about how he is a greatest passer, I’ve seen him miss a number of easy outlet passes near mid-court and instead putting his head down and dribbling.
  However, I’m very excited about Curry on our team, he will be a great player in my opinion, because he can shoot very well with a great range. Jennings jumpshot is not ready, he jumps too much on his shot getting himself way out of balance to have a better shooting percentage.

by farid on Jul 21, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i Really don’t know y the knicks passed him up 4 hill, but im gonna go blog on their sight & c how those fans feel about my boy.

BJ will always be a better PG than curry (barring injury of course), &curry will probably always be a better shooter than BJ. But the question is, what do the warriors really need, another 2 guard, or a true PG? and whether yall want to admit it or not, we all know what the answer to that question is!!!

by CAVOSZIA on Jul 21, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel like Curry’s ability to shoot well has actually hurt his overall stock around here. Everyone assumes he can’t or won’t be much of a PG because “he’s a shooter.” Plenty of PGs are also good outside shooters, and Curry did a fine job running the point in college. He had a few kinda rough summer league games but those are almost entirely meaningless and he didn’t even play that bad and now everyone is already saying he’s a 2 guard? I feel like I either really missed something in the last couple weeks or everyone stopped else stopped watching Curry after his ’08 march madness highlights stopped airing on ESPN.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Basically what I’m saying is this isn’t a video game where you have a limited number of skill points to assign to players. Its not like if Curry is a really good shooter then he must not have as many skill points as Jennings in other areas. Yes, Jennings outperformed him for 5 summer league games. Who cares? Its tough to measure because they weren’t on equal playing fields, but Curry clearly outperformed Jennings all of last season in every way, he didn’t put on a pathetic pouting performance and refuse to show up to the lottery until after he was drafted, didn’t fail to make himself eligible college or just repeatedly display a lack of maturity that makes it pretty difficult to succeed in the NBA.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Jennings outperformed him for 5 summer league games. Who cares?

Sam, thats only part of the story. Jennings was the much better prospect coming out of high school. Jennings was the better athlete AND player coming out of Italy versus Curry coming out of Davidson. Curry is just a better talker, more mature and better in workouts. Jennings is a better player with an immature attitude.

We took Curry, unforutnetly we suck. So we need talent, not good team guys…

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 21, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I think

Jennings is a better player with an immature attitude
is extremely debatable. If Jennings was regarded as the better athlete AND player coming out of Itally versus Curry out of Davidson I don’t think there would’ve been any doubt about his lottery status and thus no reason for him to throw a public fit on draft night. You know I’m with you on the “this team sucks and we need talent” side of things, and I agree we are in a position where we should be gambling on high upside guys, but I just don’t see why Curry’s college career has earned him this “low upside” reputation. It really seems like his dad having played in the NBA and all the talk about how he is a very mature young man has really hurt the way everyone views his upside. If the two players were similar in talent level (admittedly, I haven’t seen much of Jennings at all, but to me they do seem to be pretty close in talent level) then I would much rather have the guy with absolutely no maturity/character concerns than the guy who acts like a spoiled 5 year old. Sure Jennings could grow out of that stuff and the talent is already there, but I think its a much more likely bet that Curry possesses the ability to play PG.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The end of an era?

Wipe those “things” off your sigs, you guys just don’t agree enough anymore. ; )

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It just goes to show you how awesome we really are.

Me and sam might disagree on if Jennings or Curry will be better (I also thought Ryan Leaf would be better than Peyton Manning, so take it for what it is worth), but we agree on the big picture and what general direction the franchise should head.

I am really down on Curry, I have a feeling we were the suckers that bought into all the post college pre draft hype and workouts. And Jennings just looks ridiculuos (in a really good way) in this movie

http://www.hulu.com/watch/79440/gunnin-for-that-1-spot

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 21, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

im not really down like you are but

Curry is not the answer and this homerism regarding him is a bit annoying. We will need to solve many problems before it comes down to Curry being our savior. Granted, we can be a very flawed team yet win games because we play with Don Nelson, but i’m looking at the long term picture and you don’t see any teams with both of its guards at 6’3 or shorter besides Cleveland(they have a huge lineup besides them however….6’9 Lebron, and 2 centers in Varajao/Big Z and Shaq), and its not a way to be successful. This team isn’t going to play under Nelson forever and I hope we name Keith Smart as our head coach once Nelson leaves. I think we need to build a good team, not really a team designed for Nelson because lets face it….Nelson’s teams wont work the same with other coaches. We need to trade S-Jax and Monta/Curry while they have value to find some more defensive oriented players who still are good offensive players(like a John Salmons, Brandon Rush,Jamario Moon…etc).
I dont know the answer but i think im close.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check your head...
And Jennings just looks ridiculuos (in a really good way) in this movie

That movie was all hype, and it shouldn’t be any surprise because MCA knows hype!

Seriously though, Jennings did look pretty awesome in that movie, and best wishes for a speedy recovery for Adam Yauch.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 21, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for that link, I keep hearing about that movie but I’d only seen small clips and now I have something to do in class tomorrow.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

from what I could see of the game JJ Hickson and Cole Aldrich were the two best players on the court for most of the game.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 23, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

but I just don’t see why Curry’s college career has earned him this "low upside" reputation.

What is a fair guess at how good Curry can become? Great shooter, solid point guard skills, average defender. Thats the best I see him becoming and I have nightmares about Ellis and Curry on defense. To me the only attitude that really bothers me are players with bad work ethics (Williams, Marcus). Other than that one you tube vid where Jennings was talking to Joe Budden, I havent heard about his bad attitude. He saaid the Knicks messed up when they passed up on him(I agree) and he said he would start over Sessions and Ridinour. The kids confident.
We’ll see though. Curry’s shooting will hopefully give us a deadly inside outside combo with Ellis for years to come.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 21, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea we definitely still have the same big picture perspective, we just disagree on two or three players so far. (I thought Ike Diogu had a great chance to be the next Elton Brand, so take my opinion for how little its worth too)

I really don’t have that much of an issue with Jennings’ confidence. Its a little bit annoying that he’s so public about it before playing a real NBA minute, but I could get over that. His comments on that youtube video and the stuff he said about Rubio being “all hype” might indicate a lack of common sense, a whole lot of confidence, or just a lot of inexperience with the media. Those issues aren’t nearly as concerning to me as the crap he pulled on draft night. Put all those things, and the fact that he kinda took the easy way out by going overseas and I think its fair to say the guy still has a whole lot of growing up to do. The Telfair comparisons seem to be scary accurate so far.

Would you really be much more confident with a Jennings/Monta backcourt on defense than you are with the potential Curry/Monta backcourt? Honestly I don’t think we will or would’ve seen Monta playing at the same time as either one of them for more than 10 mpg this year, but backcourts with no outside threat concern me at least as much as ones that are undersized defensively and it seems like a Jennings/Monta backcourt would have both problems.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

is this a response to me ?

Even if it’s not good…Jennings and Curry are equal defensively.
I’m looking at a guy you can have as your teams starting point guard and can improve players around him. I hope we trade Monta,Biedrins andJackson eventually to claim parts that are (as i say again) more well rounded players. As you see here, we have 2 players with extreme limitations. Monta is a terrible defender and not a good passer at the point guard position. Biedrins has an extremely limited offensive game and is a very bad post defender. I say continue building through the draft and trying to find really good players and/or developing them into valuable trade pieces. I’d almost be happy if we had drafted Derozan because he has the ability to become a superstar in my opinion. I think he’s this years Randolph. thats just my take.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

is this a response to me ?

No. I’ve told you this before, but if you are confused about what a comment is in response to just click that little “up” button to the right of the user name and it will show you. Sam’s post was a response to WS110.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 21, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

. I’ve told you this before,

No you haven’t but thanks for telling me in a rude way. It would have been nice to just have you tell me instead"ive already told you this".

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not rude...

You can add whatever tone you want in your mind but it was not intended to be rude. Just trying to help. And yes I have told you before:

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/7/17/952883/future-starting-5-curry-ellis#18372931

A response to your “thats getting kind of old”. It’s really a testament to the fact that you should spend a lot more time reading here and a lot less time typing (yes now I’m being rude).

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 21, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry i was wrong.

i tried it but i didn’t ever see what you are replying to still but you did tell me i guess. i just don’t know how to use it still.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you click ‘up’ the comment that it is a reply to appears at the very top of your screen.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 21, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

No problem...

if you don’t understand something just ask. There are many posters here who would be happy to help. Just don’t call us jerks when we do. ;-)

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jul 22, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

i m not hating on curry

but Jennings helps our team in what it needs most so he would be about just as good a pick. I think Curry is a better player than Jennings but Jennings is a better passer.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I would have to say that Jennings is perhaps the biggest wild card in this draft. He didn’t play at all in college, and only played sparingly in Europe. He has undeniable athleticism but a dubious grasp on the game of basketball. Those who thought their team should have drafted him will be extremely outspoken if he makes good on that potential. However, I would put his mean future value below that of Curry.

Maybe Jennings has the higher ceiling, but Curry will likely be the more productive pro.

Thing C

by markdash on Jul 21, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree that Curry is better with this team as it is now

but i don’t like this team how it is now so i think starting from scratch that BJ is a better building block than Scurry. I dont think Curry is a missing piece so thats why i want a building block. BJ and AR would be a pretty good young core to build around. Scurry and Randolph…not so much. Curry is a better compliment player but he doesn’t have the ability in my opinion to become one of our top players.

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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he’s the next Steve Nash.

by Naticus on Jul 22, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Disgust?"

I understand the argument for taking Jennings (although I don’t believe that he’s got more raw talent than Curry).

But “disgust” at the pick?

That makes no sense at all. I’ve seen independent observers comment that Curry, Griffin, and Rubio were the only people in the draft who have the potential to be a top-3 player on a contender. There’s a lot of reason to be excited by him.

Furthermore, while it’s easy to have issues with Nelson (I’ve got plenty of ‘em) the guy has proven, time and time again, that he knows guard talent. People forget, but back in the run-TMC days when he picked a guard, the standard response was, "I don’t see it, but I’ll probably be eating these words in a few months."

So while I don’t always give him the benefit of the doubt, if Nellie picks one guard over another, I think you’ve got to operate on the presumption that he knows what he’s doing. So it’s fine to disagree with the pick. There may be valid reasons to disagree with the pick. And every talent evaluator in the league is right sometimes, and wrong others.

But “disgust?”

That makes no sense at all.

by Ronaldinho on Jul 22, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

what if Riley really made the pick? it’s not like Nelson has ever seen Jennings play outside of a 3v3 workout vs Flynn. it seems like at his age, Nelson has begun to delegate more and more of the workload (like the duties he give coach Smart). while he might have final say on the matter, how much is he really going to argue over a player he’s never seen in a game of 5v5?

by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The warriors never brought Sprewell in for a workout ...

I think. I could be remembering wrong. But I think they went off game tape because they didn’t want to tip their hand. (That was a very surprising pick). And back then, the moment Nelson displayed interest in a guard, his stock went up.

One has to assume that Riley is working with Nelson. I don’t think that Nellie – necessarily – has to see a guy in person to make his call. Quite frankly, I think a lot of what you learn from “workouts” is b.s. – it’s more about getting a sense of the player’s personality.

by Ronaldinho on Jul 22, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe, but Spree wasn’t over in Europe.

yeah workouts mean little, that was my point. all Nelson’s seen of Jennings is from a workout.

by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe, but Spree wasn’t over in Europe.

I’d be suprised if Spreewell wasn’t on the list of banned in the UK

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

reading between the lines, I suspect that the only pick Nelson didn’t have his finger on the pulse of was Marco (who was the apple of Mullin’s eye) and I doubt he let that happen again by having Riley pick this time around. It’s not like he had to do much once the top ten likely draftees had been culled, and maybe Curry was really #2 on their list (don’t you think maybe some of the other franchises say the same thing to their fans about their picks?). We can safely assume he liked Curry more than Jennings and I agree with Ronaldinho above about Nelson’s acumen

by hardcore on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed on the Marco thing. the coaches just don’t know much about the guys who play over in Europe. it’s more of a GM/scouting pick. it was Riley who went overseas to meet and watch Jennings play in games/scrimmages… basically, Nelson had to trust Riley on his assessment of Jennings just like he had to trust Mullin on his assessment of Marco. even more so with Jennings b/c he didn’t have the # of years in Europe that Marco had.

by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

well I think Marco and Jennings play different styles of games

so it would be hard to compare them just because they played in europe. Marco was a facilitator and shooter. Jennings was a defensive specialist and a backup point guard. I think if Brandon had spent another year in Europe… he would be a much better player.
The europeans develop their players over a course of time. Thats why most come over at ages 22, 23, 24 but still with upside.
Its more about process than result until they think they are fully developed. In america, the development is be as good as you can as fast as you can.

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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

At summer league discussing Curry with scouts, team owners and others - Curry > Jennings

I don’t think most of you really saw the whole Summer League experience as I did, I watched the first four games in Vegas and besides Curry’s shooting percentage, He looked damn good…. And I really doubt shooting will be his problem… I also watched Jennings play, he had some bright spots and low ones… But he did not radiate that strength, calm, vision and generalmanship(if that is even a word) that Curry did. I really think Curry is the 2nd best player in the draft…. So did a few other people I spoke with…. Time will tell but please don’t label him a bust before he has an opportunity to prove himself….

by warriorbum on Jul 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Misconceptions about Jennings.

Alot of people heard about the now infamous cell phone recording and just think Jennings is another flashy, look at me, score first point guard. That couldnt be farther from the truth.
David Thorpe from ESPN.com

Jennings projects to play major minutes. And he’s too talented not to put up some impressive numbers. Jennings plays like a true point, looking to score only if it’s the best option. And he showed in summer league that he can make players better, especially in transition. As I watched him play in Vegas, I kept thinking, “Who wouldn’t like playing with this guy?”

I love Jennings, I think he will be a special player in the NBA. Oh well, this argument is moot, we got Curry who is a good player too, hopefully Curry and Ellis give us a dominating backcourt (offensively that is) for many years to come.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

If Curry is not a great passer and he is

We made a mistake this year. Curry needs to be a great passer to convince me.

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by dubzfan on Jul 23, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry needs to be a great passer to convince me.

  Can he pass to where he’s looking?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

they kepts saying how good of a passer he was in the draft so iono.. but i really wasnt happy with the pick either monta and steph is just too small of a lineup were gonna get abused by teams with average sized guards. i wanted the warriors to pick jordan hill, but i guess that pick would of been a need pick, which you never want to do in the draft, you want to take the player with the biggest upside so in this case i think steph curry was the right choice.. even though we didnt need him. i would of been happy with demar derozan too hes got a huge upside.

by mekanikal on Jul 26, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

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