NBA Luxury Tax Reality Check
NBA owners constantly act and talk like they need to avoid the league's luxury tax like the plague. The hoops media and fans alike seem to have it deeply ingrained in their minds that the luxury tax is an enormous "fine" of some sort. Both parties of non-billionaires routinely make curious excuses for owners who make silly basketball decisions all to avoid the luxury tax. Even funnier is how some of the biggest NBA fanatics and media personnel vicariously live through these billionaire owners and feel like they're the ones opening their wallet or saving money during salary dumps.
So what exactly is the luxury tax? And what exactly was the dollar total gifted to NBA owners who avoided this luxury tax this past season?
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Longtime GSoM friend Henry Abbott breaks this down over at ESPN True Hoop in The Silver Lining of the Salary Cap Cloud, which is an excellent piece worthy of a full read:
Luxury Tax Disbursements to 23 Teams
You probably know about the NBA's luxury tax. A refresher: Teams pay one dollar to the NBA for every dollar they spend in salary in excess of a certain amount, which we now know was $71.15 million this past season. That means seven teams will pay, and they are, as Stein reports:New York ($23,736,207), Dallas ($23,611,661), Cleveland ($13,707,010), Boston ($8,294,664), Los Angeles Lakers ($7,185,631), Portland ($5,899,356) and Phoenix ($4,918,136).
The other 23 teams, however, each get 1/30th of that money back, in cash. That means the 23 teams not listed above are each about to get $2,911,756, which is not a bad little shot in the arm.
The Knicks are an outlier for several reasons (they're essentially one little line in the bigger balance sheet for Cablevision), so let's focus on the other 6 squads who paid the luxury tax. All of them were quality squads. Only one of the six missed the playoffs. But at 46 wins in the Wild Wild West with a star-studded roster that lost Amare Stoudemire for half a season the Phoenix Suns have a pretty good excuse for sitting at home and counting lotto balls with the Golden State Warriors. The teams paying the luxury tax aren't fools. They're putting out a good basketball product and unlike Chris Cohan's Golden State Warriors aren't one of the perennial laughingstocks in this league.
Also, you read right that the teams which avoided paying the luxury tax received a (relatively) measly $2.9 million (not $9 million or $30 million or $60 million or $60+ million) from the NBA for staying under the luxury tax. In NBA terms that's nothing, but a nice little pat on the back.
Putting this into context $2.9 million is in the NBA is roughly:
- what swingman Thabo Sefolosha made last season playing for the OKC Thunder
- a little more than half of the average NBA salary
- the amount of money raked in simply from parking fees at 20 games at the Oracle
- a 5 bedroom house in Palo Alto (Bay Area real estate is still nuts!)
Managing your team's payroll and salary cap in the NBA obviously makes great fiscal sense. Spending for the sake of spending is foolish. Overpaying and outbidding on players can make for some great shock value- especially your own (I'm looking at you Toronto with Andrea Bargnani). Winding up chained to some poor long term contracts is foolish (Hello D-troit with Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon!). We know this. We're not fools... unlike some of the yes-men that have been working in the Warriors front office for the past decade and a half.
However, avoiding the luxury tax like the plague at the expense of improving your on-court product to rake in a measly $2.9 million- that's equally foolish. Telling your fans you can't pay the luxury tax and you're dependent on the league's annual "stocking stuffer" to teams under the tax is very funny. Sure that additional money over the luxury limit will cost you double your money which can be tough to swallow. But if it's going to get you to the playoffs or deeper into the playoffs and help your team build a stronger winning brand as part of a longterm vision (which Cohan's Warriors simply don't have), then that seems like money well spent. Playoff games give teams and their brands national and even worldwide exposure in addition to increased hometown revenue. Winning is a box office smash hit (unless you're the San Antonio Snores of course who couldn't even sell out some Western Conference Finals home games back in 2007 against the Utah Jazz).
If you're a big market team (like the Warriors) avoiding the luxury tax like the plague if there's opportunities to improve your on court product and get the Bay buzzing anywhere near it was during WE BELIEVE makes very little sense. The last thing any of us should want to hear from this incompetent organization is how they can't pay the luxury tax and desperately need that cash back gift, which wasn't intended for big market teams with a rabid fanbase packing the house regardless of The City being replaced with The Suck in the first place.
The luxury tax and missing out on that luxury tax gift should never be used as an excuse for Cohan's perpetually poor product.
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i don't understand
why can’t these billionaire owners pay a measley 4 or 5 million dollars to make their team much better or maybe even title contenders. these guys have billions of dollars yet they cant spend 5 million of it. what a travesty.
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by montadaboss on Jul 21, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not every team has a billionaire owner and billionaire’s, like the rest of us, hate losing money (over half the teams this past season lost money).
while i don’t like it, i can’t say that i don’t understand it.
by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billionaires often became billionaires simply by hating losing money more then the rest of us
With an OCD passion. Seriously, if you owned a company and you could avoid losing an extra $3M in taxes, what would you say?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2009 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article
Thanks. Helped lift the veil of ignorance.
by placid on Jul 21, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the things I would do with a "measly $2.9 million"
I’ll tell you what I’d do, man
Two chicks at the same time, man.
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by Bob on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Court side Season tickets really cost 1.45 million each?
Is that right? or $35,000 a ticket? That can’t be right.
by JSML on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought courtside tickets were ~$1,500 a piece.
by Missing Barry on Jul 22, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I stop reading after that.
The most expensive seats in the house are $1800 each at the half court line and they’re not for public sale. They’re Cohans. Sometimes he sells them. I’ve sat in them once last year. Even at that price your only at $144,000 for the season and that assumes no discount for buying the complete season.
by Balance on Jul 22, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard upwards of 3k-4k per seat for the Warriors floor. Math error on my part though. I’ll delete that line.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 22, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're using polls
to assess reading comprehension?
by hardcore on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please let Larry Riley buy the team
So we can be rid of this 15 year nightmare.
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by dubzfan on Jul 22, 2009 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not to sound condescending
but you realize Larry Riley is our GM…. lol. i think you mean larry ellison.
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by montadaboss on Jul 22, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting to see what each team got...
However, what talent has passed through Oakland the last 15 years or so that has been worth going over the luxury tax for?
It makes little sense to spend just for the sake of spending (Knicks) and it’s a no-brainer to spend in order to keep your Championship nucleus (Lakers, Boston, Cleveland). Avoiding the luxury tax like a plague does not necessarily make an owner bad (see: Holt, Peter -owner of Spurs).
However, avoiding the luxury tax like the plague at the expense of improving your on-court product to rake in a measly $2.9 million- that’s equally foolish. Telling your fans you can’t pay the luxury tax and you’re dependent on the league’s annual “stocking stuffer” to teams under the tax is very funny.
Where did you read/hear this or is this just another biased unsubstantiated opinion posed as a fact (if this is aimed at Cohan/Rowell)?
Cohan has many faults but Rowell and has always said they would be willing to go over the luxury tax if it made the team a Championship level team. What moves have been scrapped because of the luxury tax implications? Championship level players rarely ever hit FA and are almost as hard to nab in the trade market. The last couple of times a Championship caliber player was up for trade (KG and Amare) the Warriors were heavily linked to each deal. Both players would have required quite hefty contracts and I doubt discussions would have gotten as far as they did if Cohan didn’t give the green light to spend cash. Is that not a sign that the team would spend money on the right player?
Please name me a current non-Warrior who was released for salary reasons and is key player on a Championship team? I can’t think of any.
Cohan has his faults as an owner but the luxury tax issue is not one of them as evidenced by his actions in the past (who overpaid MDJ, Murphy, FIsher, Foyle, Jamison?), the participation in the KG and Amare sweepstakes, and the public stance that they would pay for a Championship team. I’m no fan of Cohan and wish he’d sell the team, but we have to give him credit where credit is due.
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by FLAxwless on Jul 22, 2009 4:35 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I think you're oversimplifying the luxury tax issue
Teams aren’t generally scared of going into the luxury tax due to fear of losing the $2.9M they’re scared because things get expensive very quickly & moves stop making sense for the team.
Take Phoenix for example, they were the lowest team over the tax at $4.9M, which is reasonable money but nothing catastrophic. As an example it’s about how much Pavlovic is due (although he wasn’t on the Suns last year) The problem is that they aren’t spending and extra $4.9M, they’re actually spending $12.7M. That turns a potentially reasonable player signed for part of the MLE into an incredibly expensive player who’s paid like a star. That’s why teams try & avoid the tax because perfectly sensible moves (like signing Turiaf to his contract) make a lot less sense (hence the Lakers not matching) to teams once they head into the luxury tax.
by EnglishWarriors on Jul 22, 2009 5:09 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Imagine a team that's just below the tax theshhold
And say you want to sign a reasonable FA for, say, just over half the MLE. Let’s say there’s a player you want, who will help you pick up a couple of wins over the course of the season, who’s going to require a $3.5m contract.
In other words, we’re talking about a guy who plays, but doesn’t start, and is pretty replaceable, but a nice addition.
How much does he cost you?
Okay, well, his $3.5 million contract. Right. Then the dollar-for-dollar penalty for going over the tax, so now he costs up $7m. And THEN you’ve got to add that $2.9m tax disbursement that you give up. (Isn’t that number a little low – if the tax is going to 23 teams, shouldn’t they each get 1/23rd of it, not 1/30th of it?)
So that scrub, who doesn’t start, who’s a marginal role player … he’s now costing the team $10m. More than Corey Maggette. More and Andris Biedrins. More than Stephen Jackson.
This is why teams avoid the tax like the plague: the cost of the marginal player addition who puts them over the tax becomes huge.
It’s easy to say, “What’s $2.9m to a billionaire” but clearly, very few NBA owners are willing to just throw more and more money at their teams. THey are businesses the owners expect to be profitable – or at least close.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 22, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
“if the tax is going to 23 teams, shouldn’t they each get 1/23rd of it, not 1/30th of it?”
The other 7/30th of it goes into a seperate fund for “league purposes”. This year those funds were used for the Revenue Assistance Plan.
by Missing Barry on Jul 22, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What really burns me
is that the Warriors are reportedly trying to field a bench of 14 players for the 09/10 season instead of the 15 allowed by the league in order to save money.
So Cohan has one of the most profitable teams in the NBA, he will get money back from the league as a luxury tax disbursement, and he is still trying to save a few more bucks in a manner that will potentially hurt the overall product.
Taking one player off the bench is not a big deal most of the time. How many minutes did Kurz, Lasme, or any number of last butt on the bench guys play over the last decade? But when a team gets injured or has a tough stretch, those extra legs can be extremely valuable when you consider the level of talent an NBA benchwarmer has.
by warriorsvictim on Jul 22, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The 15th guy isn’t even a bench player. Only 12 can be on the active roster. The last 3 don’t even get to dress, and only get the privelage of warming the bench IF there are enough injuries. If we have injury problems, finding a 15th guy is not difficult and can be done during the season (for cheaper since I believe we would only pay a prorated salary). I have no problem with this.
by Missing Barry on Jul 22, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. If there was ever a team that could get by with 14 guys, it’s this one… we have no shortage of guys who could give us a lot of passable minutes in a pinch.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What really burns me is that the Warriors are reportedly trying to field a bench of 14 players for the 09/10 season instead of the 15 allowed by the league in order to save money.
There’s enough to get upset about in Warrior management. This ranks pretty low, in importance with stuffed animal abuse and burning microwave popcorn. Since the team can only dress 12 players for a game, adding a 3rd body to the inactive list most nights seems not at all necessary. Those guys wearing suits do nothing, nothing at all to help the team win games. Better to hold that spot in case someone gets hurt and they can see what their needs are and try to pick up a player to fill that position without having to cut someone to do so. Right now that spot isn’t needed. Why waste it?
So Cohan has one of the most profitable teams in the NBA, he will get money back from the league as a luxury tax disbursement, and he is still trying to save a few more bucks in a manner that will potentially hurt the overall product.
Does he have one of the most profitable teams? Where are you getting this? They earned a profit last time Forbes released figures, but they weren’t among the top earners in the league.
by jae on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you’re a big market team (like the Warriors) avoiding the luxury tax like the plague if there’s opportunities to improve your on court product and get the Bay buzzing anywhere near it was during WE BELIEVE makes very little sense.
I think there’s consensus on this point — that the Warriors should be willing to go into the luxury tax if doing so would either create a special team or keep a special team together. I’d define a “special team” as a genuine title contender… others, including Atma, might find an enjoyable consistent playoff team to be sufficiently “special”, and I think there’s an argument for that interpretation.
I think we can all agree that there’ve only been a couple decision points in Cohan’s tenure where you could make the case that the luxury tax was worth going into. Those would be 1) the attempt to trade for KG, 2) trading J-Rich for Wright as opposed to keeping him, 3) letting Baron walk, 4) the attempt to trade for Amar’e. In the first and fourth scenarios, by all accounts, Cohan was willing to go into the luxury tax to get those guys. Neither deal happened, of course, but no account I’ve seen of either has listed Cohan’s hesitation to pay the tax as a factor. In the third scenario, I don’t believe that a refusal to pay the tax was the holdup, either; Rowell (smartly, IMO) was leery of giving Baron too many years, given his age and conditioning. We probably could’ve kept Baron without paying the tax, as evidenced by Maggette’s almost-as-big contract… I don’t think cheapness was behind the decision to dump Baron.
So that leaves one decision: the J-Rich trade. We moved a expensive shooting guard who’d been a team mainstay for a rookie power forward. There’s some reason to believe that this was intended to be a component of a KG trade, but I don’t think this trade was an accident; I think that, barring the acquisition of KG, the team wanted J-Rich off the books so that they could extend Monta and Biedrins the next summer without going into the tax. I think this move was made to avoid paying the luxury tax.
The question is, was that a mistake? Would it have been worth paying the tax to keep the “We Believe” core together?
To answer this question, let’s walk through the alternate universe where we keep J-Rich. We play the ‘07-’08 season with J-Rich instead of Wright. Now, it’s my belief that we would have in fact done no better with J-Rich… that replacing Monta minutes with J-Rich minutes would’ve been a minus, and that we still would’ve missed the playoffs. But let’s say he would’ve helped. Let’s say the continued presence of J-Rich gets us the eighth seed and shot at the Lakers. I think we can all agree we would’ve lost in five games at the most… still, another playoff appearance would’ve been fun. And we wouldn’t have paid the tax for that season. So far, so good.
That takes us into the summer of 2008. Now, the first thing we should stipulate is that, if we keep J-Rich, we’re keeping Baron. If the point is keeping “We Believe” going, there’s no way you let its key guy walk. So let’s say we extend Baron last year at the five-year $65 million deal he got in Clipperland. Then, you’ve also got to assume that we still want to extend Monta and Biedrins… let’s say they get the deals they got, at $11M per and $9M per, respectively. Let’s also be generous and say that we made the same canny Turiaf deal that we made, before extending Monta and Biedrins. Where are you now?
Jason Richardson: $12.2M
Baron Davis: $11.2M
Monta Ellis: $11M
Al Harrington: $9.2M
Andris Biedrins: $9M
Stephen Jackson: $7.1M
Ronny Turiaf $4.5M
‘08 Draftee: ~$1.5M (if we’d had Denver’s pick at #20, I think we’d have taken Kosta Koufos)
Marco Belinelli: $1.4M
CJ Watson: $0.7M
TOTAL: $67.8 million
So here’s where you are. You’re less than four million dollars under the threshold, with zero flexibility and at least four roster spots to fill. Moreover, ’Buike’s still not signed. To match the deal the Clippers gave him, you need to pay him $2.9 million. Even with three minimum guys to fill out the bench, you’re triggering the tax.
“Okay,” you might say. “I’m fine with that — that’s the whole point. If it keeps a good team together, what do I care if Cohan shells out some extra dough?”
Here’s the problem: this team isn’t very good.
PG – Baron Davis
SG – Jason Richardson
SF – Stephen Jackson
PF – Al Harrington
C – Andris Biedrins
Bench: Monta Ellis, Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, CJ Watson, Marco Belinelli, Kosta Koufos
Yes, it’s the “We Believe” team… that’s fine and dandy. But you’re not getting 2007 Baron Davis, you’re getting 2009 Baron Davis, which has proven to be as big of a difference as many had feared. You’ve got a team that’s every bit as horrible at rebounding as last year’s team, and a team that is just about as horrible defensively. You’ve got a team where somebody — J-Rich, Jack or Monta — is coming off the bench, and extremely unhappy about it; you’ve got the some unhappy Al we actually had. There’s no superstar, and the closest thing to one is letting himself go now that he’s gotten his shiny new contract. This isn’t a definite playoff team… with Baron’s regression, I’m not sure that this is a .500 team. You want to pay the luxury tax for this?!
The truth is, the Warriors of recent years have never been good enough to merit the luxury tax. The way to win in the NBA is to acquire a superduperstar and then be willing to do whatever it takes to fill in the pieces around him. Once you have a great player — a Lebron, a KG, a Kobe, even a Nash or a Dirk or a Brandon Roy — then yeah, pay the tax. Whatever it takes. But to pay the tax before you have a superstar is to narrow the odds of your ever getting one. The “We Believe” team above has a 48-win ceiling and, unless you’re willing to trade Jack along with Al, no chance of getting a good player anytime soon. (I actually think packaging Jack and Al was the right move in any scenario, but if you’re a “We Believe” die-hard, I’m guessing you think we need Jack.)
Chris Cohan has shown a willingness to pay the luxury tax for a team built around a superstar, and an unwillingness to pay the luxury tax for anything less. I think that’s the exact right way to play it, not just in a financial sense, but in a basketball sense. He’s a terrible owner, but his willingness to spend is not what makes him terrible. In fact, it’s probably his best attribute as an owner.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Outstanding break down, agree with both the big picture and assertion that trading Jack & Al (rather than extending Jax) for a difference-maker would have been a better use of resources, and especially your conclusion (to pay the tax before you have a superstar is to narrow the odds of your ever getting one), but I’d offer this addendum:
1. Keeping Richardson (and BD)
Although Monta most definitely would not have broken out with the same splash with JRich still playing significant minutes, I think he backing up Baron and JRich both could have given us a trio of guards reminiscent of Detroit’s Bad Boys trio of Zeke, Dumars, & Johnson and would likely have kept the health of all three better as a result of lessened minutes for all. Coincidentally we’d’ve had Monta gradually playing more PG and ready to assume that position at the end of Baron’s 3 yr deal (see below).
We probably would have made the playoffs (JRich would have given us more than we got out of Wright that season), though as you say we probably would have lost to LAL. (But, no one expected us to beat Dallas, and you have to get to the dance to have any chance of bumping into the pretty girl.)
In this scenario, trading Jax & Al for the right difference-maker would make dipping our toes in the water of the lux-tax more palatable, not to mention other big-time players might’ve been more amenable to coming to GSW during the height of We Believe than they are now. We would still have had to extend Monta and Andris in this scenario – but Monta might have been less expensive as he might not have been putting up quite the numbers he did prior to his RFA status. And assume we’d still have AR. All pie-in-the-sky now of course, but that would’ve been my first choice.
2. Re-signing Davis
Rather than 5/ $65 million, Mullin had a prelim agreement with Baron for 3/ $39m which was scuttled by Rowell. The difference changes both the financial and court side landscapes a bit, and there is no doubt we’d’ve weathered moped miscues better.
There’s no proof that the Baron who struggled for LAC last season would have been the BD that would have played 08-09 for GSW – he would have had a familiar coach, system, & team around him, with different motivations, etc. He could still have had a down year for us, but not definitely and he could have had one more pay-day to play for ahead of him. There is simply no way to know or argue that either way (and those that assert his LAC experience as “proof” of the correctness of not re-signing him miss the mark imo).
Finally, BD’s 3 yr contract would have been better than Maggette’s contract and we probably don’t extend Jax (if he’s not traded), and don’t trade for Crawford even if we did end up trading AH.
3. Trading Richardson.
Assuming the JRich trade still went down, Randolph & Wright backing up Harrington + Turiaf backing up Andris + a healthy Baron-Monta-Jax = we may very well have been more regularly playoff bound. Most importantly, we would have avoided signing Maggette, trading for Crawford (if we did trade Al at all it wouldn’t be for a shoot first PG), or felt the urgency to extend Jackson – all three decisions we’re paying more for now. The bonus here is that we would still have Monta & Randolph to build around now.
There’s lots of alternative scenarios and universes, but we could have kept JRich, and/or signed Baron for less than the Clipper deal, and maybe still have re-signed Monta for somewhat less than we did – all the while not extending Jackson (if he was not traded) nor paying more for Maggette.
…. back to the “real” world, hoping AR breaks out, hoping … hoping …
by hardcore on Jul 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather than 5/ $65 million, Mullin had a prelim agreement with Baron for 3/ $39m which was scuttled by Rowell.
These deals that may or may not have been there are rumors. Let’s not confuse them with certainties. However, the rumor there is not 3/39 after opting out, but as an extension beyond teh last year of the contract that he would have kept. Due about $16 mil for the year he opted out, it makes it into a 4/~$55milion deal. Rumor still it is, but let’s compare apple rumors to apple rumors if we’re barking up that tree.
by jae on Jul 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good logic. though jae’s right about Baron’s supposed offer being an extension and not a new contract.
one point. by virtue of making the playoffs, if we’re picking at #20 (or worse) instead of #14, it’s hard to ‘assume’ (realistically) that Randolph continues to drop all the way to 20.
by homer simpson on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And assume we’d still have AR.
The bonus here is that we would still have Monta & Randolph
Not sure how this works. Either:
1. Keeping JRich would have made us a couple games better, allowing us to squeak into the playoffs and putting us out of draft range of Randolph (who took some serious sliding to make it all the way to #14); or
2. Keeping JRich would have made us no better.
There’s likely no scenario under which JRich makes us significantly better and we get to draft Randolph. Indeed, as long as we’re allowed to use 20:20 hindsight, Anthony Randolph may be the single strongest point in favor of the JRich trade.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 22, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, uh, thx sleepy, must have missed that in homer’s comments
by hardcore on Jul 23, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 23, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s say they get the deals they got, at $11M per and $9M per, respectively. Let’s also be generous and say that we made the same canny Turiaf deal that we made, before extending Monta and Biedrins.
Not really possible. The Turiaf deal used cap space made available by Baron’s departure. Keep Baron and Richardson and that cap space never would have been there. It is possible that they could have used the MLE for him, but I find that unlikely.
by jae on Jul 22, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think there’s consensus on this point — that the Warriors should be willing to go into the luxury tax if doing so would either create a special team or keep a special team together. I’d define a "special team" as a genuine title contender… others, including Atma, might find an enjoyable consistent playoff team to be sufficiently "special", and I think there’s an argument for that interpretation.
I have no problem if Chris Cohan chooses not to pay the luxary tax unless we are a legitiment contender. My problem with Chris Cohan has his complete inability to find someone that can make us a legitiment playoff team (forget being a contender). Ulitmately Cohan hired and has kept Rob Rowell around for years and watched as Rowell fired the only general manager to get the team to the playoffs in 15 years and the second round in 20+years.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 22, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cohan
My biggest gripe with Cohan has been his inability to hire the right people for the player personnel decision making jobs. Of late, st. Jean, mullin, riley, and rowell can’t be the best available right?
HIt seems he’s been willing to spend cash on players if his GM says to do it and I feel like if they were title contenders he’d pay the tax. The problem is, his teams are never even close to title contenders.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 23, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 (amen)
My biggest gripe with Cohan has been his inability to hire the right people for the player personnel decision making jobs.
That’s the biggest problem. Some of the decisions seemed ok, mostly with the coaches, some were outright terrible and clearly so at the time. Cowens? Adelman? Had a good track records before. They weren’t garbage retreads and should have done better, but in general, a coach cannot go much beyond the talent of his players. But the GMs? The guys responsible for finding that talent. Major cluster-quacker there. Twardzick didn’t work out, but at least he came highly recommended. St. Jean had nothing to recommend him for the job. Mullin, who was ‘groomed’ under St. Jean similarly was handed a tough job and showed only mixed competence. Getting us to the playoffs? Congrats! You’ve done something that more than half the league does! Now Riley? I’ll give a short benefit of the doubt, but his track record hardly shows much to inspire. I don’t blame him for losing with the Griz, but the picks he made were hardly inspired, usually no better than going with a consensus fan mock draft. I would hope that professionals could do better. Sadly, this doesn’t seem to be the case.
I guess the biggest endorsement for Rowell is that despite fielding a poor team, they turned a profit.
by jae on Jul 23, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also like to blame Cohan for the utter state of chaos that seems to be common throughout the Warriors organization. Simply put, the Warriors are not a well run business. They have a standing feud with a big time agent. The way they treated Mullin (regardless of whether he deserved to stay on or not) made the Warriors look bad. Incidents like Sprewell’s choking debacle certainly don’t reflect well on the Warriors. Paul Wong’s thing with the “We Believe” slogan issues certainly reflected poorly on the Warriors. The lack of clarity as to who’s in charge at any given time seems odd and reflective of a dysfunctional franchise. All the controversy surrounding Monta. I’m sure winning would make a lot of these types of incidents seem a lot more minor, but Cohan can’t even give us that. He fails in every aspect of ownership, even if he is willing to go over the luxury tax line at the appropriate time.
by Missing Barry on Jul 23, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cohan and rowell a very effective combo
thus far, in maximizing revenue + value of the franchise while staying away from any contracts over 12.5m./yr (conveniently losing richardson and davis who were over that line). rowell is speaking with forked tongue about their willingness to consider adding talent with a lux tax consequence, because he is also behind the decisions that prevent the team from attaining consistent success, not to mention the requirements he’s setting to commit to, or consider, what would be for them a radical step.
by the.monk on Jul 23, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“thus far, in maximizing revenue + value of the franchise while staying away from any contracts over 12.5m./yr”
I’m not sure I buy that at all. The Warriors are in a huge market, but hardly rake in impressive revenues or profits, and the value of the value of the franchise is in the lower half of the league. I’m also not too upset about not having anyone on our payroll making $12.5M/year, considering we haven’t had a player that actually deserves a contract like that since Webber. I’m all for blaming them for not ever acquiring a good enough player, but I can’t fault for getting rid of overpaid players (like Richardson). Most teams do not go over the luxury tax – the Warriors are one of those teams. We are over the cap, though, so we are spending as much as most other teams. It’s not like Cohan is pinching pennies in a way that actually hurts our team.
by Missing Barry on Jul 23, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
home attendance numbers
just a year ago, the team ended its 48 win season #6 in the league for home attendance, averaging over 19k. at that time forbes gave the franchise a value of about $335m. with cohan’s purchase price in 1995 listed at 119m. even with the big drop in performance last season, home attendance was #9 in the league. perhaps they’re not making as much as the top teams, but those fannies in the seats (cars in the parking lot….) mean revenue. as far as the economizing not hurting the team, many here would point to the unused trade exemption from the richardson trade.
by the.monk on Jul 23, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong, but, from reading your argument, staying under the tax does not save you only ~3 million. If you go over the tax, you get none of that 3 million and pay everything you’ve went over. Phoenix paid 5 million, and did not gain that 3 million, so they actually lost out on 8 million. All the other luxury tax teams lost out on more than that.
Is that true or is there something I’m not understanding about the process? At any rate, for a big market team that might not be too much money to pay, but I’ve got to think that is a substantial amount for a team like the Charlotte Bobcats, especially in the current economy.
by belilaugh on Jul 24, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true
Atma just doesn’t like to factor that into his “I hate the front office and ownership” posts. You have to read what he writes with a grain of salt because he never really acknowledges the other side of the coin on an issue he’s passionate about.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 25, 2009 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
When I wrote “the other side of the coin” I meant “the counter argument or blatantly obvious facts that blow holes in his theories”.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 25, 2009 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if the Warriors were say, 3 million under the cap, and they made some moves til they got 5 million over like Phoenix, that is actually 16 million they lose out on, because there is also the money they have to spend to be in the position to pay the tax.
But yeah, I don’t understand the cap that well so I could be missing something.
by belilaugh on Jul 25, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, since they're actually using 8M of that on players, they're not "losing" it, they're "using" it
Which is what Atma is advocating. In your situation, they’d be going from wasting $3M of cap space to paying double for $8M worth of talent. not that it’s possible to just go out and sign a free agent, they’d have to use a trade exception or send out more salary than was coming back or something to be able to add 5M in salary over the cap.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 26, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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