Rumor: Magic and Warriors talking sign-and-trade for C.J. Watson

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 23, 2009 7:23 PM PDT in Rumors Comment 82 comments

Originally posted Jul 23, 2009 9:26 AM PDT

UPDATE (7:16pm): Matt Steinmetz writes on FanHouse Warriors' C.J. Watson Can Only Go to Magic in Sign-and-Trade:

The Magic were said to be considering extending an offer sheet to Watson last week before signing Barnes, but according to a league source Orlando was convinced the Warriors would match their offer.

Also complicating the issue is that Watson already may have a multi-year contract offer in front of him -- for three years, $4.5 million -- from the Warriors, according to the source.

Come to think of it I must say $1.5 a year for C.J. seems like a steal for a solid end of the bench player who can shoot. I'm a little hesitant to hand out a 3 year deal, but... I admittedly tend to be overly frugal with non-stars. I'm of the mindset pay your top dogs and then go as cheap as you can to fill out the 10th-12th spots. Those players really don't impact your win total. Depth is fairly meaningless.

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Jump for the follow up to RUMOR: Magic to Sign Warriors Restricted Free Agent C.J. Watson.

From RealGM Two Plus The Foul - Watson Hopes To Leave Golden State:

As a restricted free agent, the Golden State Warriors also have the option of matching any offer sheet and according to Watson, it’s not a given that they’ll let him walk. "The Warriors might match," said Watson. "That’s what I’m hearing, that they may want to keep me," he said. If Golden State doesn’t keep the Las Vegas native, they’ll likely want some sort of compensation through a sign-and-trade with Orlando. "I heard they were talking about it [a sign-and-trade] if Golden State would agree," said Watson.

Sign-and-trades are very difficult to architect in the NBA and I wouldn't be surprised if this dragged out for awhile. Props to the Larry Riley and the Warriors though. I doubt they really want to hold onto Watson, but they're really trying to milk the Magic here. Maybe they can get a 2nd round pick out of this at the least. Looking up and down the Magic roster, the only player I'd rate worse than Watson who the Magic might be willing to deal for him is J.J. Reddick. With 2-guards and swingmen Monta Ellis, Stephen Curry, Stephen Jackson, Anthony Morrow, Corey Maggette, Kelenna Azubuike, Marco Belinelli, Acie Law, and Speedy Claxton, it would pretty much be pointless to unnecessarily muddy that grouping with another 12th man type player.

I must say that I found this line by my runner-up to the 2008-2009 WDWY (Worst Defensive Warrior of the Year) pretty hilarious:

But the 6'2" point guard also feels he can strive in Orlando defensively.

"I like the defensive focus on the Magic. I'm a player who puts defense first and I tried to make a name for myself with my defense. The effort will always be there," he says.

Hey whatever gets you paid.

This piece from the Philadelphia Daily News should tell you just how crazy GMs and agents can get during free agency Sixers sign draft choice Holiday:

And while the Sixers remain in a sign-and-trade mode concerning unrestricted free agent Andre Miller, a source indicated that president/general manager Ed Stefanski has also been monitoring a situation involving Golden State Warriors free agent guard C.J. Watson and the Orlando Magic. The source confirmed that Watson had earlier rejected a 1-year, $2.3 million offer from the Sixers. If Watson were not to sign with the Magic, it is possible that the Sixers could make a fresh offer. Derrick Powell, one of Watson's agents, said Watson is working out regularly in Las Vegas, where he makes his home.

What GM in their right mind gives C.J. Watson that much money? It's crazy that Watson's agent can reject that offer and get an even better deal for his client. In a summer where GMs are handing out silly excessively lucrative deals to Ben Gordon, Charlie Vilanueva, Andrea Bargnani, and probably C.J. Watson very soon, all that hype about how tough free agency 2009 would be seems like needless hysteria.

Here's the view from Philly via Liberty Ballers:

Liberty Links: Ramon Sessions and C.J. Watson [Liberty Ballers]

Both Sessions and Watson fit the bill. Between the two, Watson would be my choice. He shoots the three to a tune of 40 percent, he has experience in a run and gun offense (Golden State), and he has a better chance of sticking around as a role player when Super Jrue takes over. Now, offering either player the MLE does not guarantee anything. If I were a betting man, I would bet that both Watson and Sessions sign elsewhere, but there's nothing wrong with taking a chance. The Sixers literally have nothing to lose.

Imagine that. How many Warrior fans would rather have C.J. Watson over Ramon Sessions next season? I doubt very many. In the recent guard free agent poll Sessions ranked #2 behind Bay Area native Jason Kidd (see 2009 NBA Free Agency: Warriors Expected to Use Midlevel Exception- Ramon Sessions, Jarrett Jack, Jason Kidd, and Allen Iverson).

C.J. Watson turns down one-year, $2.3 million offer from Philadelphia [Liberty Ballers]

At least they made an offer. I can’t complain.

That's more than the Warriors have done this offseason in free agency.

As expected our friends in FlOrlando are all over this too:

Why C.J. Watson is No Longer an Option for the Orlando Magic [Third Quarter Collapse]

In theory, the Magic could offer Watson a contract starting at $825,497, which is the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. Watson earned $711,517 last season, and is understandably seeking a raise. According to Marcus Thompson II of the Oakland Tribune, he rejected a one-year deal from the Philadelphia 76ers worth $2.3 million, because he wants a longer-term deal of at least 3 years. Even if we assume he'll take a slightly lower annual salary than Philadelphia offered him in order to ink a three-year deal, he probably wouldn't accept anything less than $6 million. According to Larry Coon's Salary-Cap FAQ (scroll down to the chart, just above Question 20), players signed to minimum contracts can only receive pay increases commensurate with their level of experience in the league--as opposed to some other contracts, where raises are made on a percentage basis--and can only sign for a maximum of two seasons. Thus, Watson would earn $885,120 in his second year with Orlando, Add it up, and you'll see the most he would stand to earn with Orlando is $1,710,617 over two seasons, which is less than one-third of the money he conceivably earn elsewhere, with one fewer guaranteed year. It wouldn't make sense for a player of Watson's age (25) to take such a drastic pay cut, which is why he's out of the Magic's realm of possibility.

C.J. Watson’s future may be uncertain but if it were up to him, he’d be a member of the Orlando Mag... [Third Quarter Collapse]

"I want to play with Orlando," said Watson in an interview with RealGM's Alex Kennedy. "With the four All-Stars and Stan [Van Gundy]."

[Otis Smith] didn't comment on negotiations with either [Matt Barnes or C.J. Watson] except to say... [Third Quarter Collapse]

Ben said it best on Twitter, both parties (Orlando Magic and C.J. Watson) want to work something out but certain variables may not let a union occur.

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all I can say is

good luck C.J.

Trains , planes, and automoblies,.... better have my donuts!!!!

by dubzero23 on Jul 23, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

CJ imporved vastly last season

So I can see the interest – though 2.6 mil is high. I’d put him at 1.5 or such a year.

by mosdl on Jul 23, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

with the addition of A.LAW

it seems clear that at least one of them must get the boot.

by FishStix on Jul 23, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

CJ>>>Law

CJ has proven more for the Warriors than Law has for the Hawks

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by JustSomeName on Jul 23, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus Law was a first round pick (11th I think)

CJ was a D-league pickup who now seems to be getting a nice payday (can’t believe he turned down 2.6 mil though)

Going to assume that Law will have to compete with curry/marco, and Marco >>> Law from what we’ve seen.

by mosdl on Jul 23, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently, the Magic have a TPE to use for the balance of the Turkoglu trade since they sent out more salary than they brought back. It’s several million. A sign-and-trade is a way of using this for a free agent, where the Warriors don’t have to get a player (and his salary) back in the deal. This seems like the most reasonable way of a deal happening, but the Warriors would probably want something back. A 2nd rounder? Perhaps even a first rounder, something Orlando might be willing to part with (presuming they still have one to trade; I don’t remember if they sent any out in the deals that got them Alston or Carter) given that it’s likely to be at the back of the first round and not necessarily worth more than a second rounder given the guaranteed nature of 1st round contracts. The Warriors don’t have to take anything back. They could send an agreeable Watson to the Magic and generate their own TPE for future consumption if they so desired. It’s unlikely that it would be all that useful since it couldn’t be combined to get someone making more than Watson will sign for, but it’s better than letting him walk for nothing.

by jae on Jul 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Knowing our front office of Cohan/Rowell, they would just ask for cash back and pocket the savings.

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by JustSomeName on Jul 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Asking for cash back for a player who doesn’t figure to be a long term major player and would likely walk either way plus opening up a traded player exception (this happens regardless; it’s not something we ask for) would be a reasonable deal. The alternative is what? Wait for him to get an offer and match in order to have another undersized 2 with less than marginal defensive abilities masquerading as a point guard?

Knowing our front office, there’s no predicting what they’d do. If they were consistently cheap and always pocketed cash, they’d be predictable. They aren’t. They’re schizophrenic in their dealings such that they get the worst of not spending money coupled with the limitations of spending and spending poorly.

by jae on Jul 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or a pick for next year (since we have none)

We trade maggs and then make a max offer to Bosh! :)

by mosdl on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If by next year you mean the next draft, we do have that pick. The pick to NJ won’t be conveyed until 2011 at the earliest.

by jae on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, thought someone said it was the 2010 pick that we traded

by mosdl on Jul 23, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They could send an agreeable Watson to the Magic and generate their own TPE for future consumption if they so desired.

So there’s a chance it might happen? That would be the best outcome for CJ since the Warriors obviously don’t respect his contributions last year. Would be great to see him win a ring and get the love he deserves.

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Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be the best outcome for CJ since the Warriors obviously don’t respect his contributions last year.

They don’t respect his contributions? How do you figure? The warriors have offered him 4.5M for 3 years. Riley has consistently said good things about him, as has Nelson as a backup pg. I don’t see any evidence for your statement.

by bleep on Jul 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he’s confusing “respect” with “are willing to spend money on a player who figures to be buried at the back of the bench and doesn’t seem probable to help with any long term plans, meaning carrying another contract that sits and collects dust and eats up cap space.”

Ronaldinho put it well in another thread:

Three things can happen to the Warriors:
1) Monta shows he can play PG at a high level. Awesome! We’re set.
2) Curry shows he can play PG at a high level. Awesome! We’re set.
3) Neither guy can play PG at a high level … in which case having CJ on the Warriors doesn’t come close to solving our problems.

That’s pretty much the sum of it.

by jae on Jul 23, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

4). Both Monta and Curry show they BOTH...

can play point guard at a high level…Awesome! Were set..if they don’t beat each other up or both demand a trade…in which case we are back to last year and we sign CJ only to trade him (valuable)…and possibly solve at least one of our problems.

by streetballer on Jul 23, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Umm...

How has Curry shown he can play PG at a high level? He hasn’t played a real NBA game yet. College is so much different than the pro’s. And Monta… he has shown to be a great scorer, especially at the 2, but Monta at PG is still considered to be an experiment. They are both the same type of player… pure shooter. I have no clue where this team is going to get its assists from. If either of those guys proves that he can be a “pass” first type of PG, then this team will succeed.

I would like to see Monta take that mentality this year, because he has more NBA experience than Curry, knows the system, and knows the players. It will take pressure off of Curry in the short run, enabling him to thrive and gain confidence as a scorer, much like Monta did in his first couple seasons… but if he fails as a distributor, I think that opposing teams will be able to game plan around our team to easily. I mean, it’d be like, who ever has the ball is going to shoot it, so just quadruple team that guy.

Hell, the way Randolph was playing in the Summer League, I’d rather have him as our Point Guard.. LOL!!!! The next Magic Johnson… hahaha…. (I DREAM BIG!!)

by aBulldog on Jul 24, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Read to achieve.

How has Curry shown he can play PG at a high level?

He hasn’t. If you read the thread, one post up even, you’ll note three possibilities. streetballer added a fourth. There was no claim that this had happened. None.

by jae on Jul 24, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They don’t respect his contributions? How do you figure?

By not realizing he was the best backup guard we had and keeping him around in case our flashy bigshots break down again? CJ was very dependable even with an elbow brace for much of the time. When trying to build a team you need to keep the best parts for each task and I think CJ is a more proven backup than Law or Marco. I’m tired of this lack of focus and the team running off chasing every car that drives by.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wish this would happen

Maggs, Watson, and Belinelli for Vince Carter

Hahaha

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Jul 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

That would be awesome

Trains , planes, and automoblies,.... better have my donuts!!!!

by dubzero23 on Jul 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Meh. Maggs is about as good as Vince Carter right now, and three years younger, and making half the annual salary. Carter’s only advantage is that his contract is a couple years shorter. I’d rather have Maggs than Carter straight up. I’d really rather have neither.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Ryan Anderson would be pretty awesome, but I highly doubt the Magic would do that.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 23, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Slightly better Rob Kurz.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on Jul 23, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about

A sign and trade for Dwight Howard, lol

It is the shoes!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jul 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

double negative use intentional?

esteemed author at-bro1, commenting on the liberty ballers paragraph mentioning Sessions, uses the phrase, ‘doubt very few’ which is essentially a double negative. it makes more sense as ‘doubt very many’ or ‘suspect very few’ , as far as i can read it. i had to double check who authored this piece to confirm it was the same gent who requested us to look up ‘hegemony’ and ‘orientalism’ and to stay in school. (he wouldn’t admit to possessing a vintage jazz vinyl collection, either) i would not post about grammatical glitches otherwise.

by the.monk on Jul 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You my kind sir are correct. ‘doubt very many’ was the intended clause. I’ll modify that. Good catch.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 23, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey

did any1 know they had a website on how much chris cohan sucks? http://chriscohansucks.blogspot.com

by spiffy750 on Jul 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

thanks chris cohan from realgm.com for the link

by spiffy750 on Jul 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

what about Kevin Durant?

he’s tall and skinny, he can be our new center!

by BrandonMK50 on Jul 23, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Asking for cash back?

worst case scenario: Warriors match and keep CJ, thus diluting the chance of Curry getting minutes this year and we’d have a disgruntled player not contributing while eating some cap and a holding a roster spot for a couple years

best case scenario: Dubs receive a lottery-protected first round pick

most likely scenario: GSW flips CJ for a 2nd Rd pick; or simply let’s him go without the S&T

question – is it even legal for us to take back cash? I’ve never heard that happen in S&T

by hardcore on Jul 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

question – is it even legal for us to take back cash?

It’s legal, but you can’t take back much cash.

by jae on Jul 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Warriors should keep Watson

Plain and simple keep Watson around his game has improved so much since he came into the league.

by Rocky632 on Jul 23, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i dont think so

i would rather have curry get his miniutes and see him develope then have cj take his miniutes i like watson but we just have to many players like him on our roster

by spiffy750 on Jul 23, 2009 2:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

If we keep him, we could trade him later

Since he is getting interest and could be part of a deal to get a better player (cj/bwright/expirings for amare!)

by mosdl on Jul 23, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we get Amare we have to trade Andris because Randolph will be a backup

Trains , planes, and automoblies,.... better have my donuts!!!!

by dubzero23 on Jul 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we match a signed offer, he’s tough to trade. He isn’t eligible to be traded for several months and has a year of veto power over trades. The last time we tried the “match and then wait to trade” we got stuck with a disgruntled Marc Jackson, who we ultimately traded for a 2nd rounder who we ultimately cut after a grand total of 3 seconds of court time.

by jae on Jul 23, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the orlando warriors

what is up with orlando gathering up former warriors
peitrus, barnes, foyle and now watson
they must like something about how we develp our players or something

by scraider3 on Jul 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

otis smith

was once senior to mullin in the GS front office, was by-passed with mullin’s promotion and went to Orl. his numerous changes after losing in the finals is a good contrast to what happened to mullin after those two semi-successful seasons and davis’ extension getting vetoed by oRwell.

by the.monk on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

we should take some of the Magic players

maybe Dwight Howard

Trains , planes, and automoblies,.... better have my donuts!!!!

by dubzero23 on Jul 23, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade for a pick

I seriously doubt there would be any sign and trade cause the Magic knows the Warriors would not match CJs contract cause the team is not willing to pay luxury tax. They can structure a three year deal with upfront money and clubs choice on the third year and the Warriors won’t match it. We already have Ellis, Curry and Law. We can find another project like CJ in training camp. But assuming that a sign and trade can be achieved, the Warriors should try to squeeze a 2nd rounder rather than trading for a player unless Magic are willing to take CJ and Law while giving up Anderson and a 2 round draft pick.
Personally, I feel we need a number three PG but I think we can have Marco play that role if needed. We already have around six guards Marco, Ellis, Curry, Law, Morrow, Claxton (who will never suit up). We also have Jackson and Buike who can play the two and the three well under Nellie system they can also be a four ( horrible idea). All we need is a PF/C who can rebound since we have good shoot blockers like Biedrins, turiaf and AR.
Maybe with Orlando’s and our own 2nd rounder, we can Marco and Claxton, 2 second rounders and sign and trade for David Lee (9 m for 5 yrs). Marco and Claxton salaries combined is close to $7 m so we get Lee costing us for 2 m this year and NY gets salary cap relieve plus a player like Marco whom can benefit playing with D’ Antonio system. (probably we play a pg for them).
Wishful thinking but I doubt Orlando would give up 2 rounder and we would trade for Lee who can avg double double on a nightly basis

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 23, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

if ORL can front load the offer is the question – otherwise have we painted Orlando (and ourselves?) into a corner if CJ must be a S&T? Did Nelson/Riley have Ryan Anderson targeted all along?

ORL doesn’t have many contracts that match up well as far as I can see on espn’s trade machine, other than Anderson (PF, $1.3m) – though if the Magic are game and Nelson isn’t going to use CJ in front of Curry anyway we’re trading small for big and we don’t have much depth up front … still CJ is the best insurance against Monta/Curry plan going awry that we’ve got

I agree Speedy is probably not going to suit up, and I’d bet Law doesn’t either. Even though there’s a lot of love for MB on this site, we had opportunities to use him as a part time pg last year and we didn’t, and now we have an even more attractive option (Curry) that Nelson is purportedly excited about. If we’re playing Speedy, Law, or Marco at the point for any significant minutes we’re in deep trouble imo

by hardcore on Jul 23, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we’re getting Anderson back I think thats a pretty good move for us, he had a nice summer league showing this year and though I’m pretty sure Nelson will play him too much it probably means fewer minutes with Maggette at the 4.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 23, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and gives us a little more flexibility in a Wright trade.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 23, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hopewe get something for him

and save our money. I believe it would be better spent on a big man.

by adamm on Jul 23, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Leon Powe

I think we should explore signing Leon Powe and take a chance on him. I know there are those who believe his injury is serious since he had a history with knee problems but I can see him helping this team. He averaged close to 8 pts and 5 rbs in 17 mins and as a starter where he averaged 26 mins, he was able to produce close to 15 pts and 8 rbs. I really think if we sign him to a long term minimum contract he would be a steal in this free agency. Wish someone can tell the organization to get him since he would be happy to be back in his hometown Oakland.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 23, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Strongly doubt C.J. winds up with the Magic

Orlando is out of money, so it can only get Watson in a sign-and-trade, as Steinmetz explains. Unless the Warriors a) really like J.J. Redick or b) really want to do Otis Smith a favor and deal Watson for nothing (the Magic can absorb his contract with the trade exception they received from the Raptors in the Hedo Turkoglu deal), he won’t play for Orlando next year. Sad, but true, as C.J. and the Magic like one another. But there is no incentive for Golden State to facilitate a trade. It’d just as soon keep him—he’s talented, after all—or at least deal him to a team with something more to offer.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 23, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

so that’d be a “no” to Ryan Anderson then …

by hardcore on Jul 23, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

The Warriors should go after JJ Reddick, he has been maligned for years but with the Warriors he will become an all-star player.

by Eric9321 on Jul 24, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am such

a Magic fan.

But hey, I love the Warriors, not as much since Baron stopped playing, you know two years before he moved to the Clips, as Baron when he played hard was a spectacle to see.

Because of this I must admit that my former statement about JJ is totally false and Ben is right. We will trade you Anderson for Randolph though, hands down.

by Eric9321 on Jul 24, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get it

Ben you say in option unless warriors like JJ Redick. Why would the Warriors seek Redick when they can squeeze Anderson out of Orlando? Redick will make close to $ 3 m a year while Anderson will only cost $1.3, why would the Warriors take a bad contract worth $3m, they would rather match whateva CJ is getting who is better than Redick and most probably cheaper than 3 m a year. I seriously don’t get it.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 23, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

hey, if you hit the reply button underneath a comment it makes the conversation flow a little better

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 23, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The 76ers are still interested

So I assume if the Magic doesn’t pan out, he’ll go there if he can get a 3 year deal.

by mosdl on Jul 23, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

CJ Watson

is the most under rated player on the warriors and this is a real underrated not the kind like kellenna azabuike where so many people think he is underrated to the point where he is overrated.

yall hate on cj but he is a flat out baller! and I didn’t really like him at all b4 last season but he took such a big leap i gotta give him props. he is worth way more than 4.5m over 3 years. on another team i think if you started him next to a really good shooting guard that would be a great back court.

by Agent Zero on Jul 23, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

who hates on CJ here?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jul 23, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do

For missing that dunk attempt last season!

by mosdl on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

people always

hate on his defense on this site. and if they’re not hating on him then they’re just not giving him enough credit. half of these comments are people who don’t care if we resign him or think he is only worth 4.5 over 3 yrs or people who somehow think that 3 years is too long of a deal (wtf? if its 1.5 m a year who freakin cares how long it is?)

by Agent Zero on Jul 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously… having that on your payroll isn’t going to kill a team.

by aBulldog on Jul 24, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

$1.5 mil here, $1.5 mil there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money.

If we’re depending on Watson, so much else has gone wrong. To paraphrase Iverson. “We’re sitting here, and we’re talking about Watson.”

by jae on Jul 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

To paraphrase Iverson. "We’re sitting here, and we’re talking about Watson."

Haha, So you DO understand Iverson, and you STILL hate him?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hate? Never met him. Can’t say.

I don’t think he’s one of the top players in the league though, not nearly worth what he was paid. His particular talent is inspiring, but his actual productivity does not measure up to the real elite players.

by jae on Jul 24, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we want to get another big later in the season or after we can trade our expiring contracts

The 1.5 million could make a difference.

by mosdl on Jul 24, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watson is believed to have a three-year, $4.5 million offer from the Warriors on the table

According to http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13424

Anyone thing that is too much?

by mosdl on Jul 24, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

er, think

by mosdl on Jul 24, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me

by r8er.4.life on Jul 24, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We should stay with what they have

They have tons of young talent. Maybe they need a big man but let’s not do a big spending this offseason.
Look, I’m a fan of the Raiders. Last year we had a HUGE spending spree.look how that worked. Then agin, I kinda like the Giants…a dif. story…

by r8er.4.life on Jul 24, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i smell watson going elsewhere and doing even better: it's the warrior way.

with relatively few exceptions(diogu, o’bryant, foyle?), the warriors have managed to be a farm team for talent – meaning a player comes through here, makes a little noise and then bounces to a different team to make even more noise (arenas, hughes, jamison, richardson, spreewell, richmond, davis?). i can see the trend continuing.

right now cj is the best point guard the warriors have. monta never was and is probably too primadonna to be any more than a 2 in a 1 body. curry still has to prove himself, and let me tell you if vegas is any indication you can ixnay that too as another 2 in a 1 body (shooting 34%?). law has had long enough to prove himself and hasn’t even done so as a backup, so how can you start him here? claxton is washed, period. watson is scrawny and gets pushed around by other PGs (which is why we say his defense sucks) but he has this quality that you can only get from earning your own way. the man’s shot is money and when he’s aggressive he can flat out score. when he was called up from the d-league he was the second leading scorer behind our dude kelenna. IMHO, he’s proven that the others need to outperform him before they can claim the pg crown.

but cj is too mellow to make the kind of noise that the front office will listen to, you have to fall off a moped to do that. the warriors will want to put a more marketable face at the point so i think its gonna be the monta-curry-jackson-orwhateverpointforward show this year. i predict chris paul getting a triple double every time he faces the warriors this season (points, assists, and steals). thankfully we have other bright spots that will outshine this dark corner of basketball logic.

but it is what is is, our squad has too many guard types and at this stage of the game he shouldn’t be fighting for playing time with speedy claxton. hopefully he gets some good minutes next season wherever he winds up. somebody is gonna pick up a very solid backup. hopefully cj will build himself into a starter before all is said and done, but probably not here. it’s been fun.

by karteblanche on Jul 24, 2009 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

If is the question.

If Watson really has a three year deal for $4.5 m offer from the Warriors, then he will wait to see if he can get something better. Our team is definitely low balling him cause regardless what we think Watson should average around $2.5 minimum a year. The bad part is that if negotiation takes long then Warriors will miss out on other big men still in market like Gooden or Big baby (restricted). Therefore Warriors should give Watson a deadline to sign this offer since priorities should be handled before backups. If Ellis starts at the point and curry relieves him, Watson would only average less then 10 mins a game. Is it worth to pay $1.5 m for less than 10 mins? I say yes, cause thats what players like Anthony Johnson and Stephan Marbury made last year.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 24, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Lee

I earlier stated that we should try to trade for Lee an sign him for $ 9 m a year. Actually now with Portland signing Andre Miller, there will be no team that can offer him more than the MLE. Grizzles still has some cap room but I doubt they would want Lee after trading for Randolph. NY wants financial flexibility since they want compete for Lebron next year. If we can trade Claxton, Marco and maybe also Wright for Lee who had the most double double in the league and played under run and gun system, wouldn’t that be cool? I would seriously also trade next year 1st round draft along with Wright, Claxton, Marco for Lee. I think he has hustler and can flat out play in our system and helping in rebound and low post scoring.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 24, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Hakim Warrick

Hakim Warrick became an unrestricted free agent when Grizzles withdrew their restricted $3m offer. Rumors are that they are going after Iverson. What you guys think of Hakim Warrick who avg 11 pts and 5 rbs in 24 mins. A big man that can cheap, I think we should go after him instead of offering Watson $4.5 for 3.

Here is the link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4354901

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 24, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Warrick? Poor rebounder without perimeter skills. No thanks.

by jae on Jul 24, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What you guys think of Hakim Warrick who avg 11 pts and 5 rbs in 24 mins. A big man that can cheap, I think we should go after him instead of offering Watson $4.5 for 3.

I like Warrick but we still should re-sign CJ, we need more than 2 guards, Montay and Curr-bury can’t play all the minutes and CJ is next in line, actually should be ahead of Curr-bury since CJ has put up some good NBA numbers compared to Curr’s zero minutes.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

I can understand your concerns about Ellis and Curry. Hell I don’t even believe Ellis will ever be a pg. Nevertheless we already have 14 players in the payroll without Watson and if we sign Warrick that will be 16 players. I know Claxton will never suit up for any match but unless we can get something like Houston got from Yao’s injury, he will still be in the roster. If we can buyout Law’s contract then we can sign and keep Watson but if law stays (which is very likely since he gets close to $3m a yr), I doubt we will keep Watson in our roster. This organization believes Ellis can be a pg and Curry will definitely back him up. If we need a third pg, I think that man will be Marco.
Priorities for this team is to get PF who can score and get some rebounds, the least of players who fit this description is getting fewer every time we wait on deals or trades to happen. Just like the Pacers did by grabbing Earl Watson, Warriors should move as fast as it can and sign Warrick before he ends up in another team.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 24, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if law stays (which is very likely since he gets close to $3m a yr), I doubt we will keep Watson in our roster.

Let’s point Law toward Orlando then and keep CJ.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

who are we getting?

give us a good role playing pg for another,

by warriorfan4life on Jul 25, 2009 2:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Speedy

So apparently Speedy Claxton is ready for training camp and hopes to play for the Warriors. This gives us 5 pg Ellis, Curry, Law, Claxton, Watson (restricted). Warriors definitely needs to make a move. Since Warriors have attempted to sign Watson for 3 yrs, I would think that means they don’t plan to keep Law and Claxton. their combined salary is $7.5 m and they could be good trade values if a team wants to load a player with more than one year salary. The problem is that Warriors themselves want to get the salary relief from these two players and that is why they traded Jamal Crawford. So how to solve this mystery? Well a good question would be is which team has many frontcourt players and less backcourt players? Answer the Clippers
The Clippers have 6 frontcourt players Kaman, Camby, Griffen, Smith, Madsen, Jordan. I know they just got Telfair and they got Mardy Collins but what if they can agree to trade Camby who will not get enough minutes with Kaman in the line for Claxton and Law. They get two point guards with salary relief and maybe our second round pick or maybe another player with it. What you guys think?

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 25, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

clippers wont trade with the warriors

to many bad feelings between the two teams

by BORNAWARRIOR on Jul 25, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here is the link for Speedy Claxton story

http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/07/24/point-guard-fodder/

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Jul 25, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

get something for him or keep him

we found the kid we developed him why give him away for nothing? he wont be a bad option if our shooters go cold and he’s a team player and a hard worker cant play defense………… but who does in the warrior back court?

by BORNAWARRIOR on Jul 25, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

let sign iverson

he’s running out of options……. if we can get him for cj watson money …….can you imagine him in the warrior style basket ball? him and monte together? that’s pure speed and he always plays hard

by BORNAWARRIOR on Jul 25, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

CJ Watson is Long Gone...

I don’t think there will be a sign and trade either. Who on the Orlando Magic roster could we reasonably get? I read a rumor about JJ Redick? Please! He is awful in the league IMO. I think that the Warriors should focus more on getting a big or two to help Biedrins, Turriaf and Randolph… I just read that the Warriors might target unrestricted free agent PF Hakim Warrick which I think would be a great fit ( www.OaklandSportNews.com )
What do you all think? I think he can keep up and add that excitement that J-Rich used to bring.

by ShowtimeBuchanon on Jul 26, 2009 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs