WHO is the missing link?
I am writing this for the second time...Grrrrr as I went to "preview" my completed post (as per Atma's recent request of us all) only for the pop-up blocker to block the preview and when I enabled the pop-up...my post was gone...lost in the SBNation abyss!
Anyway, back on topic.
Summer is progressing and I had a phone call from senior season ticket holder rep, Jake the other day, to discuss the current state of the team, my thoughts on sumer league.... potential new signings etc. Oh and discovered that my article written about the STH meeting is now on my STH record!!! Not sure if that is good or bad...but oh well! Basically he was looking to see if I would renew and I said I am holding off making a decision until we see what develops over the summer. As I had no desire to see Monta decide to do something like skydiving, or some other "Goat Brained" decision while he was rolling in all his "loot" in these tough economic times!!
Anyway, the result of this conversation got me thinking;
I believe we are one piece away from being a contender in the West. We have proven that on the right day, playing our game fast, we can run with and beat the best of them. Add one key experienced piece... and we have quite an exciting team!
So who is he?
It seems our starting 5 at the moment is likely to be:
Ellis
Jackson
Biedrins
Randolph
Buike
with a reserve line-up of:
Curry/Law
Marco/Morrow
Turiaf
Wright
Magette
To me, this says we are missing that key player in the PF/SF slot that could make a significant difference to our chances in this years coming season:
So...who do we try and get?
I noticed today at NBA.com that there are reports that David Lee is a little "Frustrated" with negotiations with the Knicks. Last year Lee lead the league in Double Doubles and was third in the league for Rebounds! Ahhhh the perfect fit then for GSW and possibly the missing piece, or is he?
Lee seems to be one of those players that gets on with his job quietly and efficiently and no one really notices. But with those numbers he fills a gap we currently have, as we have more than enough firepower, but if we lose Biedrins or Turiaf, we hurt badly on the boards. The problem I have with him, is the fact that he seems to go up and down the court like a "Lumbering Ox!" and when a player makes Maggete look fast, then question mark is raised as to whether he could fit into the GSW "RunNGun" style of play?
His agent wants $10m a year.... His agent does what all agents do... and try to get what he can for the player, personally I dont think he is worth $10m a year, but I wonder what the Knicks think he is worth?
So... there also remain possible trades talks for Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, Lamar Odom, etc but more and more pieces are fallng into place at teams and so what exactly does GSW do?
Another post describes whether Buike has reached maximum potential or not? I tend agree with the poster that I believe he may "max out" in the next year or two, but is very much one of thoe players that you REALLY want on your team, if the price is right, due to his versatility.
So who else do we think is tradeable? Personally I would love to dump the Magette contract, however as a player I actually like the dimension he brings, and there will be certain games where we need his "get to the line" 20 points a game, as our shooters are simply off, that night...
Stephen Jackson..... Again personally, I feel like his turnaround as a person and his efforts in the community are beyond comparison..however I see storm clouds brewing... Monta Ellis has made it clear he wants to be seen as GSW's "Leader". Now that may not be "floor general" leader but overall leader. (I think he has a couple of years to go yet to learn HOW to lead, but thats another topic).
Jackson on court can be super hot from the 3, can defend most key NBA players well (his job on Kobe is always good to watch) however, he has a horrible turnover rate, he thinks he is a better handler of the rock than he truly is, he spends WAY too much time arguing and complaining to the refs when he should be back on "D" and due to the players we now have, I can see his time being reduced and this is not going to go down well with him.
The pure form and potential of Randolph, along with the shooting ability of Morrow and the handling ability of Curry, seems to reduce the impact Jackson can make to our team and honestly, all 3 have considerably more potential going forward than Jackson has.
We also have Brandon Wright, who I am sure will develop into a good player, Randolph is developing faster and we are always going to be keeping Randolph over Wright, yet Wright has the right potential for a team looking to add a young Randolph style player and so his value to us is in a trade.
So... do we trade Jackson/Buike to the Knicks for Lee? or Wright/Jackson for Lee? Do we look to trade or keep Buike if we can, but if the right deal came along, do we trade all 3 players (if possible) to get the perfect fit of veteran for our youngsters?
Your thoughts please below:
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Why???
would New York take Jackson’s large, back-loaded contract when they’re reluctant to give out money because of Lebron’s looming free agency in 2010?
If they wanted to give out a comparable contract to Jackson, why not just give it to the younger and more efficient Lee?
by eastbayglory on Jul 24, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee would fit right in, but you guys need a solid 7 footer.
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by sw12 on Jul 24, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Biedrins (our starting center and a pretty good player) is only 6’11"?
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 25, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"When a player makes Maggete look fast, then question mark is raised as to whether he could fit into the GSW "RunNGun" style of play?"
I stopped reading here. Maggette is REALLY fast up and down the court, among the fastest players in the league. He could possibly beat Monta Ellis in a 90 foot dash.
I’ll start reading the rest now.
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by Supafishal on Jul 24, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only that, Maggette’s first step toward the basket is very quick. It’s one of the reasons he gets fouled so often.
by JRDub on Jul 24, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the m'gette i saw last season
it seemed he started the season at full speed but met a series of lower body pulls and strains. after that, i watched him strain and fail to get outlet passes, as if he couldn’t find the burst he was used to. he also doesn’t get the finishing burst at the rim he needs all the time and depends on the refs to bail him out. he simply might not be the same player he was 3-4 seasons ago, at least not on a sustained basis—has a reputation for missing bunches of games with injuries.
by the.monk on Jul 24, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he simply might not be the same player he was 3-4 seasons ago...has a reputation for missing bunches of games with injuries.
He’s always had injury issues throughout his entire career. I don’t see much of a difference in his play from back then to now. Still gets to the line and still struggles with injuries.
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by JustSomeName on Jul 24, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supafishal....
Irony it seems was lost on you… The very fact that Magette had two dodgy hamstrings and was barely half fit speed wise for most of the year…you may start to get the point I was making…i.e. David lee is NOT fast….
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 24, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only player we need is a superstar
We have all the compliments a superstar needs to become a champion or elite team. Guaranteed we’d be an elite top 4 if we had a big name star on our team. Name any one of them.
by bojangles408 on Jul 24, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a legit starting SF or SG that can defend really well. If we get a legit SF, we can move jack to the 2. If we get a legit SG, we can move jack to the 3. I personally would prefer a legit starting 3, like Odom/Wallace/Prince/etc. Honestly, the 3 is our weakest position. Buki is not a great starter for any playoff bound team and Maggs is only good as a 6th man since he is a black hole and terrible defender.
If we can get a legit starting SF, we’ll be set (assuming Monta or Curry can pick up the slack at the PG position).
PG: Monta – Curry
SG: Jackson – Morrow/Buki
SF: some star SF – Maggs/Buki
PF: Randolph – Wright
C: Andris – Turiaf
I personally am still under the impression that we need a superstar on the team, like Amare, but we’ll see how that eventually pans out.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jul 24, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, did I just write this? (Only difference is I’ve always been luke warm on Amare at best).
This is why I’ve been saying we should try for AK47, if we had the resources I’d go for Odom but I don’t think that’s feasible.
Lee I’m not really up on, he is small for his position and he wants way too much money.
I am glad to see more and more people seeing our need for a SF as our most pressing issue.
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by qin on Jul 24, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, if we can make a move for AK47, maybe Maggs + belli or something similar.
AK47 is an excellent defender, he would be a perfect fit. If we can also add Amare, we’d be one of the elite teams in the west.
PG: Ellis – Curry
SG: Jackson – Morrow
SF: AK47 – Buki
PF: Randolph – Buki/Turiaf?
C: Amare – Turiaf
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by LostHawkGSW on Jul 24, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buike should never play the 4
PERIOD.
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by montadaboss on Jul 24, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at your list, the position that stands out is SF. I propose a trade for Micheal Beasley. He has been solid but didn’t live up to the hype in Miami his first year. What about Curry, Wright, Buike, Bellinelli, our 1st round pick next year for Michael Beasley and Mark Blount.
PG: Ellis – CJ
SG: Jackson – Morrow
SF: Beasley – Maggette
PF: Randolph – Turiaf
C: Biedrins – Blount
by warriOs on Jul 24, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOO!!
Thats a terrible trade. In return we are getting a pretty good SF and a scrub thats over paid and we are giving up the future of the warriors
by the bay area on Jul 24, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think getting David Lee will help...
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by Curry on Jul 24, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to get Lee in a Warriors uniform
Perhaps we could work out a sign and trade to get David Lee? I agree that he is not worth 10 mil, I would say 7, maybe 8 mil would be good for him. Anyways, since the Knicks want to dump salary for the 2010 free agency, maybe we could send them some expirings to get Lee. We could offer a tandem of either Claxton/Wright/Belinelli or Claxton/Wright/Law or Claxton/Law/Wright to them to get Lee to do a sign and trade. All 3 of those options would be around 7-9 mil, which would perfectly fit to get Lee for around 8 million, give or take a million. They would want a big in return, which is Wright. They would also want some incentive in Belinelli, which I think could torch it up in New York and help them out immediately. Claxton would only be in there to match the salaries. All 4 of these players are expirings, and whatever 3 they would want could help us get Lee and help the Knicks dump more salary. Then we could have a starting lineup of:
Monta, Jackson, Buike, Randolph, Biedrins with Maggette, Lee, Curry, Morrow, Turiaf (and either Law/Belinelli as our 11th man, depending on who Knicks take) coming off the bench. Which would
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by JustSomeName on Jul 24, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the 2nd two
options are exactly the same. You just switched law and wright around
by the bay area on Jul 24, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote no!
Lee is a cry baby! Just read that article about him wanting 10-12 mil/yr. Lee can fall down some stairs. I think he’s worth 5-7mil…thats what Artest is making in LA and I’d take Artest over Lee any day of the week. Offer him the MLE, if he doesnt bite which he wont, offer another 500,000K even if it puts us into luxury tax. Still no bite Mr. Lee? well stay in new york and go nowhere…at least our team has potential.
by Butt Secks on Jul 24, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s a cry baby because he’s trying to negotiate for more money? Maybe a link to the article you’re talking about is needed?
by Missing Barry on Jul 26, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee is not the answer
He has skills, but he is not going to take us to a level of play that is unattainable now.
If the Dubs go for a guy like Boozer or Bosh I would be fine with that.
With good coaching we could be a lot better by getting players to assume new roles and responsiblities that are more complementary. Maybe Nellie will take us there this year if we can keep the injuries away.
by warriorsvictim on Jul 24, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
when we have to learn something new at work, we do it. Why cant NBA players, or other pros, be expected to do the same thing?
There is almost an unwritten law that says you are what you are and thats it.
by warriorsvictim on Jul 24, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, sometimes it is hard to get better at passing and rebounding and even shooting to a degree
but defense is always improvable for most players. it is mainly effort but if you work at it you will become better.
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by montadaboss on Jul 24, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The missing link is........
Byron James John “Dewey” Robertson (February 28, 1939 – August 16, 2007) was a professional wrestler, known best for his ring name The Missing Link.
As the Missing Link, Robertson wore blue and green face paint and shaved portions of his head while letting the hair grow in other areas. His gimmick was similar to that of George Steele and Kamala, a crazy out-of-control wild man that needed a trainer or manager to lead him to the ring.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 24, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
I swore to myself that NO ONE…would post that……
Fair play sir……that was my fun element toward the end of all the comments when I was going to say….“Did none of you read the the question”….
I am seriously impressed. I looked up all things to do with the missing link and aside from another Brit in Ann Robinson and or the half ape half man obvious link that I thought to post, I thought the colourful wrestler was a more fitting answer….
Brilliant… you have had me in histerics! Well done again! :)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 24, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry man....
I couldn’t resist. Every now and then my humorous side seems to take over and it rarely dissapoints ;) Glad you enjoyed that!
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 24, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have decided...
To add hidden questions now in future posts, to check those who read a thread fully! ;)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 25, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll nominate the Piltdown Man
since you seem to have opened up the qualifications for the candidates.
by the.monk on Jul 25, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get a big name PF, Randolph will be on the bench
Do we really need that?
That’s the thing with so much depth — if we
I vote for someone like Kurt Thomas, the ultimate professional veteran, who can defend the big PFs and Cs that would push around Randolph and Biedrins. He also wouldn’t need big minutes like Lee would.
by bleep on Jul 24, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is what we need
Gerald Wallace and Boris Diaw for Maggette,Wright,Belinelli,Claxton make it happen!!!!!
by Warriorfan on Jul 24, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think we should go after Jason Maxiell
over at the pistons blog they are liking the deal
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by dubzero23 on Jul 24, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
some interesting and valid thoughts fellas....
I wholly agree with regards pricing on Lee… around $5-$7m per, I think he adds good value to our D, anything more and tough to justify.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 24, 2009 11:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade that should happen
I think the warriors should trade Corey Maggette to the Clippers for Marcus Camby
Camby could mentor randolph and Biedris help on defense
and we could get rid of that bad contract of Maggettes’
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by Mike Fox on Jul 25, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade that shouldn't happen
I don’t think the Clippers should even consider taking Corey Maggette for Marcus Camby.
Camby takes a ton of defensive and rebounding pressure off Blake Griffin and has way too much trade value to even think about swapping him for Maggette’s awful contract.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 25, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the missing link is a post up man
we have 0 post game, i just read the fanshot that rated biedrins the 39th best player in the league to build a team around. To build our team around someone they have to be a dominate player and they have to be able to distribute and SCORE. I am still waiting for the moment where biedrins scores on his own. Other people seem to like him so maybe we can get high trade value for him. I just don’t think he does anything that great for the team. I think we are a good big man away from being very good. If we want that we have to go out and make it happen like we almost did with Amare.
by bizz 192 on Jul 25, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think I have seen a more even vote for a long time...
Certainly a split in opinion here…
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 26, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
david lee would be the perfect fit here, he already knows the run and gun offense, hes a beast on the boards, he can score, and hes a very athletic big man.. however his defense isnt that great and hes not gonna put up huge offensive numbers so i dont think hes really gonna put us over the hump, but still a nice fit.
by mekanikal on Jul 26, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not ready to say we're missing anything until I see this team actually play a game together.
We didn’t see this squad play one game fully healthy last year. I expect everyone to have an improved year. Most of our players are under 25 and should just naturally have improved from last year. Monta, AR, AB, BW, Ammo, Buike, and Beli should all be better.
I actually think Jack will have a better year because he won’t be playing with bone spurs in his foot, he put on 10+ lbs of muscle, but most importantly he can go back to his complimentary role that made the team so good when BD was here. He won’t have to initiate the offense on every posession and with the return of Monta, he won’t see nearly as many double teams. He may not score as many points, but he should be able to return to his natural role of playing pesky defense and getting open looks from the drive and dish.
Turiaf and Maggette are really the only ones I see as not really improving much, although with another year under their belts in our system, and a summer to get healthy, they could show improvement.
I don’t really think any move needs to be done, especially this one, because I don’t believe it improves us.
by myk on Jul 28, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs


















