Warriors Trade Marco Belinelli to Raptors for Devean George- What a Joke!
Well I guess the Warriors won't be picking up that 4th year option on Marco Belinelli! Jump for more thoughts on another Chris Mullin pick that didn't work out for the Warriors.
Adrian Wojnarowski writes Sources: Raptors nab Belinelli for Yahoo! Sports:
After failing to meet the initial expectations that surrounded his arrival as a first-round pick two years ago, the Golden State Warriors have traded guard Marco Belinelli(notes) to the Toronto Raptors, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday night.
The Raptors will send Devean George(notes) to the Warriors.
I must say Belinelli's 2 year run with the Warriors was somewhat of a joke. It was a joke when Chris Mullin reached and drafted him with the #18 pick. It was a joke when Belinelli burst onto the summer league dropping 37 meaningless points. It was a joke when some Warriors homers at one point were saying how happy they were that Jason Richardson was gone to make room for Belinelli. It was joke when Nellie annointed him a superstar in the making during 2007 training camp. It was a joke how absolutely lost Belinelli looked his rookie season. It was a joke how Belinelli was rumored to refuse Nellie's request that he pack his bags like Patrick O'Bryant and head down to the NBDL during his rookie season. It was a joke how it took countless injuries for Belinelli to even "earn" playing time this past season. It was a joke how much hype and adoration Belinelli somehow managed to attract from a few Warriors homers over the past 2 seasons who inflated his value to ridiculous heights. It was a joke that teams like the Suns and Raptors reportedly had interest in him the past 2 seasons.
My oh my. It was a joke that really wasn't that funny. To tell you the truth it's a joke that some Warriors fans feel outraged over this trade. It's meaningless and it's not going to effect the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors season one bit. Folks hate it when I say this, but I doubt Belinelli is even in the league in 2 years. Actually scratch that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Toronto Craptors "braintrust" inked him to a 5 year $50 million extension a la Andrea Bargnani.
We probably have some Raps fans reading and looking for some 4-1-1 on Belinelli's tenure with the Warriors. Here's my 20 cents that I detailed earlier:
Marco Belinelli: I think you can make an interesting case both ways whether or not to extend Belinelli. He is is definitely improving and showing some signs of life, but to me he's very, very replaceable. The Warriors could easily pluck someone from the NBDL that could given them better production than Belinelli. Am I just tossing that out for shock value (like I admittedly do sometimes)? Not this time. Exhibit A: Kelenna Azubuike. Exhibit B: C.J. Watson.
Belinelli was absolutely atrocious his rookie season, which completely erased his fool's gold summer league performance. However to his credit he rebounded extremely well his second season and dramatically improved. He had a nice little 15 game stretch in December where he put up 14.1 ppg, 3.2 assists : 2.1 turnovers, 2.6 rebounds, and 1.0 steals. (The fact that I'm saying those sub-mediocre numbers are a huge improvement over his rookie season and trying to give him some credit here should tell you something.)
The thing that frustrates me most about Belinelli's performance the past two seasons with the Warriors is his extremely low hoops IQ. When the Warriors drafted him there was all this hoopla about how he was a seasoned basketball player with several pro years in the Euroleague's under his belt. I have yet to see anything tangible coming out of that. This is a guy who routinely loses his man on defense on simple backdoor cuts, inanely goes for the offensive rebound when he's the last man back, and is routinely out of position on defense. He's pretty much guranteed to jack up 1-3 "what is he thinking?" shots every night. I have no idea how Belinelli got a reputation as a "great" passer or someone with court vision given his very pedestrian assist : turnover ratio either. In year 1 it was 0.5 assists : 0.4 turnovers (per 36- 2.3 : 1.8) and in year 2 it was 2.1 assists : 1.4 turnovers (per 36- 3.6 : 2.4).
For some reason he's somewhat of a fan favorite, which is annoying to see when guys like Azubuike, Watson, and Anthony Morrow have worked their you-know-what off, beat him out fair and square, and don't get half as much love from the home crowd. There is a silver lining to this unfounded Marco mania however. Sample the fans of other teams and there seems to be a lukewarm fascination with him. It also seems like the Raptors and Suns also have some interest in him. Could he be useful as key piece in a trade for Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire? Yes, that sounds stupid, but not as stupid as unnecessarily inking Andrea Bargnani for $50 million or needlessly breaking up a talent-loaded team of Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Jason Richardson, Leandro Barbosa, Grant Hill, and Matt Barnes without letting them play a full season together.
I must say good job by the Warriors on this trade- even though it's meaningless. Between the glut of guards and swingmen on this team (Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Kelenna Azubuike, Stephen Curry, Anthony Morrow, Speedy Claxton, and Acie Law) there have to be a few cuts based on scarcity of minutes in the backcourt alone. It's tough to argue against cutting Belinelli vs. the others on that list (Law and Claxton will probably be cut soon as well), which essentially what this is, given the guard-heaviness of this roster is really that big of a deal. Someone had to go or else there would probably be a lot of public whining and unnecessary locker room drama from a bunch of non-stars and bottom-tier NBA talents. Expect a few more cuts off that list before training camp.
I think it's a good time to revisit former Warriors GM Chris Mullin's draft record over his publicity stunt with the Dubs now that another one of his draft picks is no longer with the Warriors. If you remember we first looked at this in Grading the Mullin Picks, but here we go again.
2004
(#11) Andris Biedrins- Definitely a nice pick, but honestly that was a pretty solid draft in the 'teens. Did he just get lucky?
2005
(#9) Ike Diogu- BUST that was just curiously given a second NBA contract based on the "p" word (See At The Hive).
(#40) Monta Ellis- One of the greatest 2nd round picks of all time. Too bad Moped Gate happened, but that's not Mullin's fault- only the poor way he handled it afterwards.
(#42) Chris Taft- BUST who is out of the league
2006
(#9) Patrick O'Bryant- BUST who gets to reunite with Belinelli from the glory days of the end of the bench on the 2k7-2k8 Warriors
(#38) Kosta Perovic- BUST who got a joke contract from Mullin to sit on the end of the Warriors bench in 2k7-2k8 with POB and Belinelli
2007
(#8) Brandan Wright- Unless Wright makes a major move in 2008-2009 he's headed on the bus towards BUSTVILLE. I'm not ready to right him off just yet, but I'm not expecting much.
(#18) Marco Belinelli- BUST who will probably be looked at Jiri Welsh 2.0 in a few years
(#46) Stephane Lasme- BUST who's out of the league
See a trend?
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Well I'm sure thankful the clueless Chris Mullin era is over in the Warriors front office. Now if only we ship that R-Double character to bustville as well. C-Double, in case you haven't heard, we'd all love to see you sell the Warriors... like 15 years ago (See RUMOR: Chris Cohan IS INDEED interested in selling Warriors and was in negotiations with Larry Ellison). In Nellie and Riley we trust.
On a side note, my esteemed hoops colleague Fantasy Junkie and I were talking about the upcoming Warriors season and who we're interested in watching. The bottom line was the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors are going to suck- really suck- and be fairly "Unwatchable Baby!", but collectively we were at least interested in watching Anthony Randolph, Anthony Morrow, Stephen Curry, and Monta Ellis next season. The rest of the team really isn't that fun to watch because well, they're not very good or entertaining. Note that Marco Belinelli wasn't on that list.
And what about new Warrior Devean George you might ask? Well, what about him? Odds are he'll never play a single game for the Dubs. This was (another ) move to save Cohan some dollars. As poor of a view as I hold of Belinelli's 2 seasons with the Warriors and his future in the NBA, this move does not help the Warriors one bit in terms of basketball. I also don't think it hurts them one bit though.
It's another meaningless move by the Warriors this offseason- just like the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors season will be unless they bring in a superstar a la Amare Stoudemire. (See RUMOR: Ric Bucher thinks Amare Stoudemire to Warriors still happens) Otherwise they're just wasting everyone's time.
Nellie and Riley- it's time to pull the trigger with the Suns fellas. Swing that trade with the Suns. Whatever it takes. Even if it's a mythical one year rental- more on that later...
Around the web:
- Belinelli Traded to Toronto [Inside the Warriors]
- Warriors give away Belinelli, officially for Devean George, unofficially for no apparent reason [Talking Points]
- Golden State Sends Marco Belinelli to Toronto for Devean George, Cash [FanHouse]
The cash considerations are that the Raptors will pick up most of George's contract, worth $1.6 million in 2009-10. To that extent, George will be helpful to the Warriors even if he never plays a game for them. It certainly goes further in explaining why the Warriors would give up on Belinelli, just 23.
- Suddenly Delfino Doesn't Look Like Such a Sure Thing... [Raptors HQ]
- All Belinelli All The Time [RaptorsHQ]
- 470 and rising thoughts from GSoMers on the trade
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This post is a little lait.
None the less, this trade better be leading up to something. Beasley, Maxiell, Boozer, Amare. Just something! Please!
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by dubzfan on Jul 30, 2009 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though I actually liked Belinelli, it is meaningless for the Warriors since we traded one guy who won’t get playing time for another guy who won’t get playing time.
Yes, it was meaningless like Belinelli’s summer league game because summer league results are basically, well, meaningless.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 30, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
miss marco
watever happens better be good…
ithink there’s something cooking in the fron office.. Maybe boozer maybe beasley maybe amare… who knos.. Probably george will get traded because another team is in a deal with warriors.. Personally i hope we get boozer or beasley/dorell wright and james jones.. Dorell is a future star
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by jandaman! on Jul 30, 2009 12:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
beasley
i see a few people wanting this to lead to acquiring Beasley. who are you talking about, Michael? cause thats the only one i can think of
by alexortman on Jul 30, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ithink there’s something cooking in the fron office.
There cooking something in the front office alright, some willie wed and nellie brew.
by ForestGrump on Aug 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT DEAL
we got a scrub and CASH!!! i would trade this guy for just cash, we just don’t have any use for him, plus, he was nice and he gets to go play with his italian homies. good deal move on.
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by AR4 on Jul 30, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahh
I actually think that Belinelli has potential to end up as a pretty good player in the league.
I had a feeling he would likely be traded since the Warriors have a lot of young guards already. I kind of wanted him to stay because he could have done decent his 3rd year in the league as some extra ammo off the bench, and that I still have faith in him to develop into something special in the future.
I remember thinking to myself that if Belinelli ever gets traded, the best place for him to go to would be in Toronto. The Raptors have a great fanbase just like ours and, and more importantly Marco would get to be teammates with Andrea Bargnani. I don’t know, I just have a feeling that Marco would be a loner if he was the only Italian on other teams; at least in Toronto, one of their best players would be somewhat of a family member.
Marco is a quiet guy and doesn’t know a lot of English, so i’m happy he at least has a fellow Italian on his new team. I remember Zarko Cabarkapa being a loner in Phoenix, he would always stay in his hotel room by himself and none of his teammates would ever talk to him; all of a sudden he ends up a Golden State Warrior and breaks out of his shell, becoming friends with Andris Biedrins and Nikoloz Tskitishivili… those three were like best friends. And then Zarko gets a chance to shine, he shows his versatility and shooting ability when Montgomery made him play center against Yao Ming; he made 2 threes over him and was ready to show the league that he’s here to stay.
lol, hella random.
Anyways, good luck in Tdot, Marco. I still have faith in you!!!!!!!!!!
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 30, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My first post in GSOM.
Big fan of the Warriors, even a former season ticket holder. I have to agree with Precise on this. Marco is and will be a pretty good NBA player once he starts feeling comfortable with his team and teammates. Being a star European player, he certainly wasn’t used to playing so little minutes. For him to be able to shine, consistent playing time is needed. With Barnagni on the same team, those two will be able to gel well.
To Marco B., good luck and I hope you’ll have a real long and productive career in the NBA.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough one
Belli never had a chance. Well, he had a chance but struggled translating his game to the NBA level. By the time he started getting comfortable, Anthony Morrow came in and was instantly moved ahead of him. Marco has a lot of potential, and my Godfather who coaches in France says we were crazy for not playing him more. I’m sure he’s gonna criticize the Warriors even more now. Basketball wise for the Warriors, this made sense. We have WAY too many guards, and we got cash back plus an expiring contract. However, I won’t be happy unless it’s a part of something else. I never like Devean George’s game, and I can’t see him getting any minutes on our team. Here’s hoping that something else happens!
by bayareaballa on Jul 30, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s get our facts straight, please. I feel like a broken record at this point, but “and we got cash back plus an expiring contract” is not true. Yes, we did get cash back. However, George’s contract is almost identical to Belinelli. Unless there’s something in the CBA I don’t know about, his contract isn’t any more “expiring” than Marco’s.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, Belinelli may or may not have an expiring contract. It’s the decision of Toronto, but they have to make that decision before the season starts. They don’t get to wait and see how he does in the Great White North and then make up their minds.
If the Warriors didn’t think they would pick up the option, essentially this means they now have an expiring contract that they don’t have to pay in the mean time as opposed to one who still picked up checks.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s an expiring contract if the team chooses. I can’t see a situation where having a choice is worse than having that decision already made (though obviously that choice has to be made early).
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they were going to have to make the decision at some point. It appears that the Warriors made that decision already. And, in doing so, managed to find a way to get someone to pick up the bill for the lame-duck year.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup... which is way isn't a completely terrible deal
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by mcwalter44 on Jul 30, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, in doing so, managed to find a way to get someone to pick up the bill for the lame-duck year.
You walking through the graveyard whistling again jae =) that’s what people do when there scared and don’t know what else to do =)
Have you ever heard of depth? and injuries? and of having a strong bench?
Your not able to look to far down the road now are ya jae bird ;P)
by ForestGrump on Aug 1, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
watch him end up a jrich in raptors
everyone that leaves warriors suddenly get better.. ??
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by jandaman! on Jul 30, 2009 12:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
I remember seeing Marco do a 360 dunk during the Warriors open practice before his rookie year started. I was like “woah we lost J-Rich but maybe this Marco kid can be good too!”.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 30, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll do well with the raptors
Over at their blog there are talking about how he’s going to be their next starter and everything, i dont know about all that…
but i think he’ll end up being a decent player,
especially on a team with an actual offense, i feel like he needed more structure to play.
I definitely agree that he looked lost on the court, and i feel that a change in systems will do him a lot of good.
Hope he does well.
by JBreezy on Jul 30, 2009 12:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’ll definitely be in their “wing rotation” with Hedo Turkoglu, DeMar DeRozan and Antoine Wright.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
mah
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by danielholl on Jul 30, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Hopefully he’ll play much better with that type of team, especially with the players that can help take pressure off of him. Playing alongside guys like Chris Bosh and Hedo Turkoglu makes it easier for a perimeter player like him to excel. I wish him the best of luck.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 30, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will NOT start on our squad ... lol
We have enough people shootin the ball on our starting lineup. Marco will back up for sure. Our second line will have J. Jack and Marco playin the 2. I simply think he will fit our system better than the run and gun you guys have down there. Plus, our team caters to those Euro dudes … so I think he will feel a little more comfortable and thus will do pretty well. We don’t feel like we won the lottery and the fact that this post is TRASHING him is pretty funny to me. Settle down … We got him for a scrub that is nearing the end … Basically George was going to get no minutes and maybe a change of setting will benefit Marco .. if it doesn’t .. no biggie cuz the dude he is replacing was just taking up space.
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by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t matter much. You can even argue that there’s some type of chemistry benefit in dumping a guy who’d agitate for minutes and wouldn’t get them.
I think the biggest downside to the trade is that Marco might’ve been useful in a bigger package, as a low-risk lottery ticket for a team that liked his style. The Raptors are one of the only teams that have made signals about having interest in Marco, but even with them, it might’ve been better to keep Marco as part of a possible Bosh package in February than toss him over for dreck now. We certainly weren’t going to get less value for Marco than this… at worst, he’s an expiring contract with some upside. We got the worse package here, which never feels great.
Still and all, this just amounts to jettisoning a guy we didn’t have room for. Verdict: doesn’t matter much.
by onlxn on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Freakin CRAP!!!!!
For nothing!!! They could have got talent for talent. There were a lot of people interested in Marco and then they trade for George who is either going to get minimal PT at SF/PF, or have an amazing last breakout performance which is very unlikely. Marco could have been used as a piece with a number of players to make a much better trade.
Tell me that we couldn’t have got Drew Gooden before the Mavs did and kept Marco. They cleared a roster spot with the waiving of Davidson, and could have used the MLE to obtain a better player….
Lastly; Atma….you were initially an instant fan of Marco when he took control in his first summer league. When he didn’t get PT, you doubted him. When he upgraded his defense last season, (and became one of the best man on man defender guards), still there were pessimistic comments. When half the team was injured and he played PG better than Jackson in regards to assist/turnover ratio and ppg, the praise was brief to say the least.
I’m not a GM or moderator, but I see this as a mistake. George might not see more than 7 minutes per game behind Buike, Randolph, Wright and so on. Belinelli will be a known name in the NBA in a few years, and will be yet another player who was traded because the Dubs didn’t give him credit. Good luck to Young Rocky!!!
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by danielholl on Jul 30, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“George might not see more than 7 minutes per game behind Buike, Randolph, Wright and so on.”
George is a very bad basketball player. He will not play.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so why do you all think this is a good move then....
i am astonished. all the media thinks this is a terrible move but everyone here says its good……
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by montadaboss on Jul 30, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You picked the wrong person to respond to. Scroll down, try reading my post with the subject: “I hate this trade.” :)
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I think you’re one of the “big time posters” that I always just agree with! How can this be?!
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am astonished. all the media thinks this is a terrible move but everyone here says its good……
No one is jumping up and down saying that this is the trade that makes us a playoff team. Most of us are saying that this is not that big of a deal. The front office apparently decided not to pick up his player option for his next season, and didnt want him as a lame duck on the end of the bench and basically got someone to give us a 12 man for free and pick up Marco’s contract, thats it.
And dont make ridiculuos attack at sam, about him copying the opinions of other ‘big time posters.’ Things like that make you sound foolish and lose whatever little crediabilty you have.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 30, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
warrior
I think we could get rid of AR also, do you think the Rap nation would be interested? we could save some $$$$$$
by ForestGrump on Aug 1, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marco
I don’t care what there damm excuse is, the GM should be fired, no trade should be one sided.
We could have gotten a 1st rounder for Marco + or used him as a chip to try to get the big man we needed.
This move disrespects the fans of Golden State and is just another in a long list of foolish personal moves that hurt the teams long chances of improving.
Don let MWilliams go for nothing after giving up a first round pick for him, traded Al for Crawford only to give him away for some cap space later:
The Warrior fans were under the impression that the Crawford trade was going to lead to a block buster deal, but nothing came of it.
I hate to bring this up but it needs to be said because this is the kind of bull s—- this leadership has been responsible for since the team unraveled under Don Nelson is the CWebb fiasco.
First of all Don Nelson got his ego bruised by Webber and couldn’t bring himself to make amends before the renegotiations of Webbers one year opt out deal, which was a big mistake to begin with.
That led to over a decade of missing the playoffs and the dismantling of a team that was on the verge of NBA history.
I’m not going to explain it if you don’t already know, but the way CWebb was treaded lead to a complete disruption of the teams chemistry, Spree, Billy O,and others were very upset that the team was broke up, that lead to people like Hardway and Spree and having hard feelings, Tim was a company man and Spree was upset he lost Webber, so the new owner who demanded he take over the team right at the time this was being worked out with Webber got his wish and took over, the first thing he did was side with Nelson and that was the unraveling, that lead to Webber being traded, then Timmy being traded to appease Spree, the team went downhill and lead to Don resigning, later Spree choked the new coach and we lost him, it was a disaster of mega proportions.
Don Nelson is more trouble than he’s worth, he’s a mixed bag but his act has gotten old, now we have his drinking buddy as the new GM and he’s nothing more than Don’s pawn, Cohan and Rowell don’t know jack diddle about running a basketball franchises so there depending on Don and he’s over the hill and out of touch, were very lucky this maniac didn’t get rid of AR last year, the guys ego is so big he would get rid of LBJ if he rubbed him the wrong way.
I have been high on Curry but mostly everyone had him going in the top 4 or 5 spots, so that was a no brainier as far as taking him at 7, that also gave us a false sense of security with management:
Now here we find ourselves again, watching every marquee free agent being signed by others teams without ever hearing our names mentioned as a possible suitor, were told by management that were looking for a PF to bolster the front court, and what the hell are they doing? Waiting till every last free agent is signed hoping they can get the last one for a nickel on the dollar, but what’s going to happen is these drunken idiots are going to wake up and find that they blew it and then have to either pay more than a players worth or wind up with nothing, these dumb clucks have sat on their fat asses and done absolutely nothing, and now they’re getting desperate and giving their players away, these are the dumbest idiots in the NBA by far. They make the Clippers look like Einstein;
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 2:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we can't trade Claxton and Law together with another player for 60 days.... How would we bo a blockbuster before that???????
both trades are for flexibility, as a fan it sux to get crap for a potential decent player, especially one that could do a decent job on defense when needed… that being said lets hope we use the cash we are getting to shock the world in 60 days or at least sometime before january trade deadline.
by warriorbum on Jul 30, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's BS
We just depleted our ability to make a stronger trade, this was a desperation move to do nothing but save a few bucks.
This team is busted, there not gonna make any moves, MARK MY WORDS.
Were going into next season just as we sit unless they have another BS move up there sorry arse sleeves
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least a decent 2nd rounder
Is there any doubt that OKC would have given up a pick in the 2nd for Belinelli?
by dprodigy19 on Jul 30, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt? Sure. I think we overvalue our prospects considerably. The rest of the league sees a guy who didn’t play much, who was somewhat of a reach pick when we took him initially and plays as if he’s a good half a foot shorter than his listed height.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying Beli was viewed properly here
But it seems crazy to think that any team (especially the Warriors) would rather not have him than keep him around essentially for free.
He’s not Antoine Walker
by dprodigy19 on Jul 30, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the trade, but even if we could have gotten a 2nd rounder…who really cares. 2nd round picks have very little value.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, that I agree with. Its pure speculation but I’m guessing we probably could’ve gotten either a 2nd round pick, a very slightly more useful veteran (Joey Graham type), or money. Cohan chose money. A bit disappointing, yes, but oh well. Maybe I shouldn’t be letting Cohan off the hook quite so easily, but I really can’t get upset about not having to hear about the minutes Belinelli should be getting anymore.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we need another Belinelli thread?
Can’t you just merge the big one on over here?
by Bob on Jul 30, 2009 2:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a stupid, stupid trade.
You don’t stockpile talent so you can trade them away from NOTHING. We trade for two sucky ass PGs in Law/Speedy, now we have too many PGs, so let’s just let CJ walk for NOTHING. We have too many SGs, so let’s trade Belinelli for NOTHING. Hey guess what, we have too many SFs too. Jackson, Maggette, Azubuike, we should trade Azubuike for Cash, brilliant!!! Great move. We should re-sign Kurz and Hendrix for cheap that way we will have too many PFs, then trade BWright for NOTHING! Woo hoo! high five
This is just the beginning, we’ve seen Nellie destroy our team right before he moves on to the next team, like a swarm of locust. We’re gonna be left with an empty cupboard.
by Bob on Jul 30, 2009 2:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this could be something...
a possible big trade?? freeing up money here w/ the raptors paying George’s contract AND freeing up minutes. i mean, really people… how valuable do can bellinelli possibly have been? especially with d-league talent overshadowing him
by itsAteamGAME on Jul 30, 2009 3:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See Marco go crazy in Toronto
and CJ become key alongside Barnes and Pietrus at Orlando…
Trade was evident…but for Devean George? slaps knee
We’ll miss you Rambo…not by much…but we’ll miss you!
Can’t wait to see you rainbow shoot on us and see Ronny confused whether or not he should hyphy-cheer for that.
by DubCurse on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marco Bellinelli has done/shown nothing
He has shown inconsistency, he has shown that he gets mad if you dont play him (he threatened to go back to Italy multiple times)
Also, the Warriors have too many guards, he wasnt going to get any playing time anytime soon, so why keep him? Bring in an expiring contract, veteran that can play right away.
Marco was a failed project. You will soon see this after the All-No Defense team they are building in Toronto gets him, and he sits on the bench as well.
Long story short, the Warriors have developed 0 use for Marco Bellinelli, hopefully someone else can use him
by sjboy on Jul 30, 2009 4:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if we accept your premise
Even if we accept your premise (and I absolutely don’t), what’s the rationale for trading a nothing with potential for an old nothing with an identical contract?
by dprodigy19 on Jul 30, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marco Bellinelli has done/shown nothing
. Marco actually looked pretty good for a short spell before he got hurt. If he can still play at that level consistently we shoulda kept him , but now we’ll never know? If Curr-bury turns out to be a bust we might wish we’d kept Marco?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sour Grapes
If you had a GM worth a lick he’d have got something for him. But obviously GSW is going nowhere but the bottom of the barrel.
Oh and by the way we sucked last year and still had a better record then you in the stronger conference (look is up if you think the West was better then the East)
by Big Smoke Gary on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok You're the GM
You got a bunch of young players you gotta get ready to resign, MAINLY MR. RANDOLPH who in 2 years is going to be a beast of a man. Also you still need to bring in 1 more big man, they always cost more.
You have an angry Italian that right now is not even top 7 best players on your team. Your salary cap just went down, and next year is going down some more.
You can resign a guy you dont plan on using, for 3 – 4 more years, and waste that money. Or you can trade him for an expiring contract so you can re-sign players you plan on keeping, and make sure your franchise doesn’t go bankrupt or lose money LIKE ALOT OF FRANCHISES IN THE NBA did this year.
Again, these are FACTS.
Oh and him playing for a short spell? Come on really? Its been 3 years. IT cant be a short spell, it has to be a LONG LONG spell. How can you tell CJ Watson to sit on the bench, when he was significantly better then Marco when he played? How many teams came after Marco? 0. How many after Watson?
Just stop and read the facts. Were so lucky to have veteran guys rebuilding our squad. Dont believe me? Ask Anthony Randolph. He will tell you. HE PLAYS in the NBA.
by sjboy on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are You Kidding?
Really? Marco Belinelli for Devean George? I don’t care if he played on the Lakers or Mavericks but this is a very stupid trade. But then again, if there is cash included, it would give the Warriors more money to get someone really great. I’ll miss Belinelli, great 3 point shooter.
Hope the Warriors don’t make another stupid trade.
by Tmanmako12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Giving up a talented player for a guy weare gonna buy out, HORRIBLE MOVE.
After struggling through his rookie season, Belinelli had a chance to bust out a little bit last year … given the glut of injuries the Warriors were experiencing. He started 23 games for the Bay Area Boys – including an impressive 15-game stretch from mid-December to mid-January where he averaged more than 15 points per game and earned a ton of respect from his teammates.
Speaking about Belinelli back in December 2008, then-teammate Stephen Jackson told the San Francisco Chronicle:
"When (Marco) wasn’t playing, when he said he wanted to be traded and all that stuff, I was like, man, we’re going to lose a good player. He’s a guy that got caught up in a numbers game, and I’ve been through that too. I’m glad he’s taking advantage of his opportunity, because that’s what it’s all about."
That opportunity will now come in Toronto.
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http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/ericsmith/2009/07/30/belinelli-buono/
This move makes me sad….
by Bob on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank You GSW
Thanks for giving us someone who will actually contribute to our Raptors team instead of the old guy who probably didn’t want to even be in Toronto anyway. Marco probably didn’t thrive because of Nelson’s system and maybe his lack of the Italian language. Toronto has set themselves up for on and off the court chemistry and CHEMISTRY is what it takes to succeed. So whoever wrote that article which is irrelevant anyway, just keep track of the Raps. Fire ur GM and ur Coach and start over. This trade only benefits Toronto.
by plusgroove on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said ...
He will fit right in with our TEAM .. No he isn’t going to be a superstar … but I KNOW that we can get more out of him than you guys did. That is no knock on you guys. He simply didn’t fit your system. Now he is surrounded with other euro players and a system that will work to his strengths. I feel we won the trade NOT because he is the second coming .. but because we got a player with potential in the right situation for virtually NOTHING. I don’t know how all those who are ripping him would even CARE! lol If we lost one of our scrubs to you guys it CERTAINLY would NOT be “newz worthy” .. lol When he DOES do well with us .. it will have MORE to do with the RIGHT situation for him.
"even though I was born in Toronto Canada and I love the BlueJays and the Raptors and the Leafs .. I cut my finger this morning and I was BLEEDING CHIEFS RED BABY!!!"
by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this trade.
Look, it was mostly inconsequential to the Warriors. Clearly Belinelli was at the bottom of the pecking order for PT for us to make this move. George won’t get any PT at all. The Warriors get worse, but only in the improbable case that something happens where Belinelli would have gotten substantial minutes (improbable, but still a possibility). There was at least SOME chance of something good happening with him. None with George. We got paid for it, so at least there’s a reason we made the trade.
Here’s my problem, though. After all the turmoil we’ve gone through the last year where we didn’t know who was in charge, what direction the franchise was going, we get to a point where we know who’s calling the shots now (Riley), and this is one of the first clear moves of his doing we have to judge the Warriors by. And this move speaks volumes to me about the direction of the Warriors, which is not a direction overly concerned with winning. Having Belinelli sit on the bench is better for the Warriors than having George sit on the bench. Instead, Riley/Cohan (our front office) has decided to put $1.6M in Cohan’s pocket. It’s just the same depressing stuff that won’t change until Cohan sells the team. That’s what I’m upset about.
If we turn around and make good use out of George in a trade or something, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong, but until that happens, I’m convinced that this team has no direction, no plan for winning games, and moves like this just leave me with a sense of hopelessness about the future, asking the question “Why do I root for this garbage franchise?” I have no confidence in Riley going forward, I question Nelson’s desire and motivation in coaching our team, I know Cohan to be terrible at running a franchise…things aren’t looking good in Oaktown these days (not that they ever really have).
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
That wasn’t meant to be a reply….oops.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, I recked you anyway. Well said.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's BS Barry
To start with Marco has never had enough playing time to develop his game, he needed to play on the court with a real PG so he could settle into his roll, Don was playing him out of position out of desperation and he struggled with it.
If they were smart they would of been able to get someone that was going to help the team rather than and a desperation move that showed that they have no plan or hope for a real trade.this is another JRICH fiasco.
This bunch of BS that there waiting for a PF at a good price is nonsense, that was to pacify the fans while these dopes sat on there asses thinking there going to get something for nothing.
Marco was versitle enough to play 3 different position so this crap of him sitting on the bench was a company line of crap that will be fed the fans as an excuse for such a jackass move.
Most teams that look at this trade just say to themselves another bone head move by a losing franchise.
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s BS? It doesn’t sound like you’re really addressing any of my points?
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won’t fit in with your other Euro players completely until you manage to overpay for him. As far as the trade is concerned, I’ll reserve my judgment until either the trade deadline passes or George is starting over Randolph (which isn’t out of the question w/ this team)
by jrey11 on Jul 30, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
He won’t fit in with your other Euro players completely until you manage to overpay for him.
Haha, they got told. Rec.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jokes over logic ...love your approach ... lol
You know who else I hear is pretty funny …. George. His humor is often lost because he doesn’t get the camera time since is always buried on the bench. So his TRUE value will never be seen by the fans .. TRUST me Jrey11 he is right up yo alley … LMAO
"even though I was born in Toronto Canada and I love the BlueJays and the Raptors and the Leafs .. I cut my finger this morning and I was BLEEDING CHIEFS RED BABY!!!"
by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marco was quoted as not wanting to got to toronto a while back :)
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice one ... Guess what ...
we got him for a happy meal and a smile .. lol
"even though I was born in Toronto Canada and I love the BlueJays and the Raptors and the Leafs .. I cut my finger this morning and I was BLEEDING CHIEFS RED BABY!!!"
by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for giving us someone who will actually contribute to our Raptors team
I thought the Raptors were breaking up their team? Wasn’t everyone trying to figure out how to acquire Bosh?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a Morrow move
The thinking is that Morrow will take all of Belinelli’s minutes in a healthier lineup, and since Belinelli won’t play anyway, we might as well get some money out of him. Plus, Belinelli isn’t going to be any good if he’s 3rd-string on THIS team.
I still don’t like trading for Devean George (George, really?!? we could have done better), but I can understand the rationale of this trade.
Bay Area fan going to UCLA.
by Yoyo on Jul 30, 2009 7:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only optimist?
It is pretty obvious this trade was not made for basketball reasons given that George won’t play at all. Doesn’t it appear as if we are stockpiling expirings in order to make some kind of package deal happen? I am personally pretty excited. I do realize that Beli will now turn into the second coming of Larry Bird, but good things could come from this.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Jul 30, 2009 7:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except we’re not stockpiling expirings. Marco’s contract was pretty much the exact same as George’s. All we’re doing is not paying $1.6M out of our pockets.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why keep a malcontent
on the bench when we don’t pick up his player option? I don’t understand all the grief. This has to be a prelude to something bigger…right? RIGHT? Do I hear crickets?
by flaaron on Jul 30, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A “malcontent” that’s accomplished what Marco has in the NBA (nothing), that can’t even earn PT on a non-playoff team, hardly should have a say or impact in determining his future (for the duration of his contract). If the Warriors are pandering to the 6th guy off the bench, I have to seriously question our leadership.
“This has to be a prelude to something bigger…right? RIGHT? Do I hear crickets?”
Those are my thoughts. I’m holding out hope…but I have a hard time staying optimistic…
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, however
my 1st point about being a malcontent should have been prefaced. He would be a malcontent If we decided to hold on to him (as trade bait) and NOT pick up his player option…I think MT talks about this (or Steinmetz).
by flaaron on Jul 30, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Marco was a malcontent, he'd still have more value than D. George
It’s not like Marco for Amare was possible, but it’s pretty obvious that most teams would rather have him than not, as long as it didn’t affect them being over/under the luxury tax line.
by dprodigy19 on Jul 30, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the warriors couldn't get anything more for him
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly true, but simply not making a move was better for the Warriors than Devean George.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the glut of guards
He wouldn’t have gotten much playing time this season and his stock wouldn’t get any higher, so the warriors decided to just dump him.
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less that we traded him, I wasn’t particularly attached to Belinelli. It’s just the fact that we traded him for a far worse player when we could have just kept him in the unlikely event something comes up where we need him or he gets a chance and does well and gives us real value.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not possible they could get less from him
Unless they traded for a guy who has a longer contract at the same money and is as bad as George, it’s hard to see what “less” the team could have gotten.
by dprodigy19 on Jul 30, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could have gotten a guy who sucked and they needed to pay. As is, his suck comes free, expenses paid by the Raptors.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I mean, I got what you said about a malcontent, I just don’t agree that we should care. Our FO should not pander to the last guy on the bench, he has a small contract, hasn’t proved anything in the NBA, gets a chance to move on after the season, it should not be a problem. Other NBA players aren’t going to respect any problem he has with it (especially his teammates) since he has yet to prove he deserves any respect. He would be like a little kid whining that everybody just ignores.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but again
I have this feeling that something bigger is coming. Unfortunately I’ve had this “feeling” for 14 years!
by flaaron on Jul 30, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now all of a sudden we have
the all to populer expiring contracts in fact we can go over the cap a little since we were given cash by Toronto to do so.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again I ask
What are you gonna do saving 1.6 Million? Yes, this amazing cap move really puts you in the running for the likes of David Lee and Lamar Odom.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“the all to populer expiring contracts in fact we can go over the cap a little since we were given cash by Toronto to do so.”
I don’t think that’s true. This doesn’t change our ability to go over the cap at all. We’re still over the cap, we only have our MLE to spend. Nothing changes, except Cohan is a little richer.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sharing in Missing Barry's Devean George hate
Are the warriors actively trying to bring a bunch of unlikeable players to the bay? All we’re missing is Antoine Walker and Stephan Marbury to have the most unlikeable team in the history of sports.
I almost turned in my Warrior fan card upon hearing the trade was for Devean George. I’ve come off the ledge, and it sounds like his contract combined w/the other expiring items = pieces to acquire someone else. As long as he never steps foot in a game, I’ll forgive the dubs for this. Hopefully this is part of a plan to get a big. From reading the Nellie/Cohan arbitration transcripts, Nelson isn’t really motivated to stick around for a rebuilding project. So far he’s done a good job in identifying crap (dunleavy/murphy) and shipping it out. MAN does george suck though.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jul 30, 2009 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I totally agree on Antoine Walker. Personally, I’d add Kirilenko to the list, I just hate the guy. I don’t hate Marbury (he’s not very good and was always way overrated), I feel bad for him for what he’s gone through in life.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I’ll take Marbury off there. Plus we already have Maggette!
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jul 30, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie might bolt anytime now
WHo knows with him.
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GS got fleeced
Marco is not a loss to GSW, other than trading away a young player with potential for an aging vet coming off knee surgery IS STUPID. But I guess it solves a bit of the problem of having way too many overpaid wings on a team and no place for a young player to develop their game. Might miss him though when SJ and CM go down in January for a month or two?
Taking the positive, Don did Marco a big favor by giving him a chance to play this year.
by sbrother on Jul 30, 2009 7:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Toronto's...
… just putting together a team to compete in Europe once they decide to leave the NBA obviously.
Great deal though, little cap room for a bologna sandwich we dropped on the floor(though no one else saw it).
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
by BacksThePack on Jul 30, 2009 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this out of the way: I’m a Raptors fan.
I’m not going to come out and say you guys got fleeced, though. The Warriors have a very, very strange roster – a whole bunch of shooters and scorers and no natural distributors. Belinelli was redundant. Anthony Morrow needs A LOT more minutes. Dumping him for Devean George, who will probably never play? Whatever, it’s meaningless.
Raptors’ perspective – I’m not big on Belinelli. I expected way more out of him, based on what people were saying before he played in the league. But for the Raps, this is a good low-risk move. George was a non-factor; at least Belinelli is young and could improve. I always saw him as a Kapono-type, but my main issue with Kapono was that the Raps were paying him the full freakin’ mid-level. At what he’s making, I have no problem with Belinelli on our team… I’m just not particularly excited about him and I don’t picture him getting that many minutes. This move doesn’t really MATTER. If anything, I’m happy for the guy ’cause he gets to play with another Euros including his national team buddy Bargnani.
by Vittorio De Zen on Jul 30, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Much better than Kapono
If I was a Raptors fan I would be excited. marco’s going to do well there. He is a great passer, a great shooter, a pretty good ball handler and he’s just fun to watch. Being on a team with other Euros and having a good front court will help him get past his deficiencies – cultural isolation and spotty defense (though his D is improving). Another think he struggles with is being inconsistent – but that may change when he gets more playing time and feels more a part of a team. I wish him and the Raptors the best.
As I am a Warriors fan I am perhaps the eternal optimist and I see three potential positives:
1. We are making moves to put ourselves in position for a bigger move.
2. We are dumping salary to make it easier to sell team down the road.
3. (this may be a stretch) We are adding some rebounding, veteran leadership and size to a small team with a shooting somewhat big man who can sub in the PF or SF spot – possible insurance if we get injuries to Maggs, AR or others.
Never the less, all those people ready to fire Larry Riley already are looking WAY too much into this pretty meaningless trade. Lets give him a couple years and see what he can do – I don’t like this move because we could have gotten more – but I think Riley has done a good job besides.
by tjmax on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This move doesn’t really MATTER - except in the wallet
agreed – except to all the teeny-bobbers on GSoM who couldn’t get over their fantasies that MB was our savior after JRich was traded, or that he could become a PG (at least Coangelo knows better), or that we could have “gotten more” (if we could have, we would have but we couldn’t – as the aborted Joey Graham deal showed).
no doubt, Marco might have a better year on the court in Tor than George would have, and it’s a HUGE breath of fresh air for him.
Raps fans should have cause for pause however: MB was not playing because he didn’t fit a system – he was not playing because he was buried behind better players in the depth chart. The up-tempo system at GSW should have fit Marco like a glove, yet he couldn’t grab PT until an epidemic of injuries hit our guards.
secondly, Raps are paying about double for this third string SG from a non-playoff team, and are planning on playing him major minutes – in fact, Raptors are paying for George AND MB now, while the dubs can use George’s expiring in a trade.
MB is a SG who didn’t shoot a high % and only occasionally showed the potential to be " a very potent scorer " and some of that was in an over-hyped summer league showing. If he becomes a more efficient shooter the Raps got a steal - but only if, and then there’s the issue of picking up his option/re-signing him. (Do the Raps pick up the option prior to seeing him put in significant minutes? Obviously GSW was not going to pick up that option, and Tor has to wonder how much will it take to re-sign him later?)
The Warriors get some cash, veteran depth at SF, cash, some defense, cash, and didn’t give up a rotation player. What grates GSW fans is this: unless we’re going to use George in a subsequent deal, our FO just sold a young SG for cash going to an unpopular ownership.
Coangelo’s track record has been pretty solid, if he’s convinced MB can play well in expanded minutes who are we to think we know better? Maybe the chemistry in Tor will bring out the best in Marco. Just don’t make the same mistake so many GSW fans did and think he’s some kind of savior or all star. Usually, you get what you pay for, or less.
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“MB is a SG who didn’t shoot a high % and only occasionally showed the potential to be " a very potent scorer " and some of that was in an over-hyped summer league showing. If he becomes a more efficient shooter the Raps got a steal"
He did put up a .547 TS% last year, which is just slightly above average. Obviously that’s not necessarily good, but you make it sound like he’s actually bad in this regard, which he is not.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring efficiency is one of those things that tends to creep up as a player’s career progresses. However, his scoring efficiency was largely a result of the long ball and nothing else. That’s a bit worrisome as it tends to be volatile and prone to “slumps”. He showed not a whole lot else. Could he put the ball on the floor? Sure, but nothing happened when he did. Did some of his passes look fancy? Sure, but they were rare, so rare that he had rather anemic assist numbers. He couldn’t rebound. He was a one trick pony when we had two other horses who did that trick better and who could also rebound.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm….so I guess the next step is to try to figure out how fluky his shooting ability from 3 was. Was his 3 point shooting last year representative of his true talent? How do we even go about figuring that out? What kind of year to year variation in 3 point shooting is normal? I realized his scoring efficiency was largely based on his 3 point shot – I was just making the assumption he’s a good shooter so I expect that to continue…so how do we figure out how poor of an assumption that is?
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t necessarily think it was flukey as in he’ll be terrible. But it was really the only way he consistently contributed. The calls that he could play point? No. He could handle the ball well for an off guard and his passing was acceptable for that as well. But he was a terrible rebounder, really not what you want in your 2/3 types, which is what he was. It was not bad. It was unacceptably atrocious. His lone strength was the area where some players improve. The areas of weakness are areas that are more difficult for players to improve upon. The rest of his game? Meh. Honestly, his play didn’t suggest he’d get off the bench enough for us to “see what we had”.
We got nothing back for him, but I just don’t think we’d see much of him to see if he could buck the trend and become a real contributor with essentially one aspect of his game that would be worthwhile to an NBA winner. I don’t think that people were really after him such that we were going to get much back for a #18 pick who was somewhat of a reach at the time (how many of you said “who?” when he was drafted) and did very, very little to suggest that he was worth the pick. Good for Toronto if they can make something out of him. If we were considering him critical to our future, it’s darker than it was in the days of Mookie and Bimbo.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well you chose an interesting place to make your points. I was only trying to address his shooting. :)
I mean, I mostly agree. Belinelli was slotted to mostly play end bench, and he hasn’t proven himself worth of PT by any stretches (for reasons you described). It wasn’t a whole lot ot give up. I still think it reflects poorly on our management that they chose to trade him for Devean George, though, unless some sort of followup action comes.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many other teams were willing to 1) send us an expiring, and 2) pay for both players? my guess, not many which makes this the best deal out there for unloading a player we weren’t going to pick up the option nor play anyway
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The point people are making is he could be part of a bigger trade
So either a) a big trade is coming up and marco wasn’t part of it or b) no one cared for him much or c) COhan wants to save money.
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or d) the George contract is just as good a value as Marco would have been – in fact, we have more flexibility now: we don’t have to decide whether to gamble and pick up Marco’s option but we still have the equivalent expiring to use in a trade – and, again, it’s free
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this what North America’s economy has succumb to… NBA fans thinking 1 Million and some change drastically changes the landscape of your cap and free agent adventures?
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Is this some kind of E-competition? Just the fact that your salivating over 1.6 Million in cap relief, which mind you is not going towards signing anybody aside from CJ watson who’s a 7th string point guard on any other team, is pathetic. WOOOO 1.6 MILLION CHAMPIONSHIP PARADE.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and YOU came over here to celebrate acquiring our 12th man. WOOOO MARCO BELINELLI CHAMPIONSHIP PARADE.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you had a ‘12th man’ start more than 40 games for you, I pity your team.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like a Canadian
picking up our crumbs.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like an American...
Eating up our crap…Brian Adams, Celine Dion, Nellie Furtado. You think we listen to that crap up here…oh and by the way. Thank you for the young promising shooting guard who will flourish in our system. And thanks for taking the forever injured and over the hill Devean George…and you tell yourself whatever you need to to sleep at night.
by Folkyou on Jul 30, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eating up our crap
don’t leave out clear cutting your forests just cause we can !
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must admit,
DeadMau5 was the best thing coming out of Canada for a longggggggggg time
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 31, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, you should. The number of injuries we had last year was pretty amazing.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pity the team
that had to borrow $15M from the league just to stay afloat last year.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pity the team that just extended one of the worst players in the game at $10mil per.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“we don’t have to decide whether to gamble and pick up Marco’s option”
This actually gives us more flexibility. This means we have the choice to treat it exactly like George’s contract, or in another way if we want.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It appears that they made that choice. They decided to treat it like an expiring. We weren’t going to be able to bring the flexibility into the season. Management was going to have to make that call at some point, and it wasn’t going to be after we’d really seen if he had anything new to provide. This move meant that the useless part (and that’s what not extending him would have meant) costs nothing. From a fan’s perspective, this makes no difference. From a business perspective, if you’re offered the choice of sinking 1.6 mil into nothing or getting that nothing free of charge, which way are you going to go.
It’s pretty clear to me that this means they just didn’t think anything of Marco as a player. This is essentially cutting him and not having to deal with his contract, while still being able to hold it until the trade deadline if it’s needed as an expiring deal to make numbers work.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are two ways I can see to rationally interpret this.
1 – The Warriors thought keeping Belinelli around on the chance he does something of value was not worth $1.6M, that is, his expected contributions were less than $1.6M.
2 – Cohan sees the tradeoff between basketball contributions and cash, and decides he’d rather have the cash and take the risk that we lose out on possible contributions. Basically, even if Belinelli has an expected value of $1.6M or higher, it’s not high enough to convince Cohan not to take the $1.6M in cash.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll throw in a third possibility, one that I don’t particularly believe to be true but is nonetheless possible: that the Warriors, having no plans for Marco, decided to throw him a bone and send him to a team that wanted him. This trade is certainly great for Marco… it’s possible, though not likely, that part of the Warriors’ motivation was doing a young kid a favor.
by onlxn on Jul 30, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more point about flexibility. Based on Law/Claxton, I’m under the impression we now cannot include George in a trade with another player for 60 days. That is another limit on our “flexibility”.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
60 days still puts us to before the start of the season. If another team wants to make a deal, we can agree in principle and finalize the transaction at this point. This isn’t so rare or unheard of.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“how many other teams were willing to 1) send us an expiring, and 2) pay for both players? my guess, not many which makes this the best deal out there for unloading a player we weren’t going to pick up the option nor play anyway”
This fails to acknowledge the fact that I would have rather stood pat and done nothing at all.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can’t keep up with your rapid fire replies!
ok, let’s agree there’s no gain on the court – but also not much loss? Marco wasn’t going to play much for this year’s GSW and if he was it was only after another year of injuries like last year and in that case we’re not going far at all
perhaps “flexibility” was a poor choice of words on my part, but not having to decide whether to pick up Marco’s option removes a distraction all year long: if we were to have decided not to pick it up, and treat him as an expiring as you say, we have a potential malcontent at the end of the bench; if we do pick up his option we don’t have an expiring and are paying for a player we don’t plan to use.
Tor is paying George’s contract, hence we can move George’s expiring in a deal that makes us better without having to pay his salary this year. Or, he can simply stay and play a couple minutes per game perhaps – also for free. So we have the same degree of flexibility as we would have had if we had kept Marco (your point) without the potential distraction and more importantly the privilege of paying for it (my point).
I honestly don’t know if the 60 day barrier is going to matter – we won’t know if any of the Crawford or Marco returns will matter – until we try to trade them. But we still have the flexibility to do so, and in Marco’s case we have it for free.
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were considering him critical to our future, it’s darker than it was in the days of Mookie and Bimbo.
I 100% agree. Marco was more of a fan favorite out of some sort of root for the white syndrome. I don’t think he added much that we couldn’t get from the D-League or by bring Watson back.
A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
by mcwalter44 on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah… CJ Watson is AMAZING! He’s not even the best Watson in the NBA.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding
Earl Watson is terrible. He much less of an effective shooter than CJ and distributes at the same clip.
A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
by mcwalter44 on Jul 30, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is acquiring the 12th man from a bad NBA team without giving up anything of value really so exciting for you that it creates the need to attempt to mock our team and players? If so, you could at least try to do it well, there are plenty of bad things you could say about our team/franchise/players that are true.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ Watson is a good 3rd string pg,
and a decent option for us as a 2nd string point guard for us since he is familiar with the system, and we can get him for cheap for the next 3 seasons, while we develop Curry and see what Monta can do.
Whats your point dude?
CJ is a bench player and we think he is an ok bench player.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 30, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez, dummies, you’re missing the point..he was traded for GEORGE! (ie NOTHING!) For the Raptors it’s a great trade….and if you think Bosh will ever play for GSW, you are sadly deluded. He will either be re-signed or signed and traded for max money (only Toronto can give him that) and GSW have no hope on either of those fronts…but don’t worry, he’s one of the most overrated players in the league (except by teams that don’t play defense). The Bellinelli trade might mean nothing for GSW, but it’s a great CHEAP trade for Toronto.
by d57fan on Jul 30, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol
First of all, I can’t believe this guy wrote a 20 page essay on a trade that he is COMPLETLY meaningless, at least for the side he’s writing on the behalf of. The raptors pay Georges contract… what, 1.5 million? For a giantic upgrade? ZOMG WE’RE OVERPAYING MORE EUROS!!! THE COMBINED 3.6 MILLION FOR HIS CONTRACT AND BUYING OUT GEORGE’S IS GONNA LEAD TO OWNERSHIPS BANKRUPTCY!!! Man, there are A LOT of sour GS fans in here looking for closure on this trade. Was Belinelli’s 1.6 million really burning that deep a hole in your pocket? Give this guy GM of the year award for saving you 1.6 million, yeah, awsome trade guys. You guys are making too much of what Belinelli means to the raptors. He is not the future. He is gonna fight for playing time here as he did in GS. He will not start. He will not be the first guard off the bench. He will not even be the first wing to come off the bench. Antoine Wright is definatly ahead of him, I assume Derozen is as well, and we still may get Deflinfo. Belinelli will come in and play 10-12 minutes a game and be asked to play his mediocre defense and hit a couple of 3’s. Hey… GS… what’s Devan George gonna do for you?
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
… what’s Devan George gonna do for you?
… well, he’s gonna play for FREE or be an expiring in another deal
fwiw, if MB is coming off the bench, and maybe not even the first wing off the bench in Tor, plus you are hoping to land Delfino, what’s there to crow about exactly?
what is worth asking is why don’t you go crow at:
http://www.raptorshq.com/2009/7/30/969069/trade-analysis-warriors-marco#18943777
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guy who averaged 3 ppg in Dallas
Solid addition! Deavan George will not even be playing with the Hoover dam sized stockpile of wing players you guys have. Delfino is asking for 5 million per… this move is clearly a sign that his rights are extremly expendable to Brian Colaneglo.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what’s Devan George gonna do for you?
He’s gonna show us his rings.
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL .. I LOVE ..
the fact that you guys want us to “leave” .. LOL DEFEND YOUR HOME BUMS!! LOL
"even though I was born in Toronto Canada and I love the BlueJays and the Raptors and the Leafs .. I cut my finger this morning and I was BLEEDING CHIEFS RED BABY!!!"
by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what’s Devan George gonna do for you?
He’ll start by correcting the spelling of his name on his paycheck. “D-E-V-E-A-N, good, it will make it easier to cash that way.”
Come to think of that, I think that’s all he’s going to do.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get what all the fuss is about
Devean Geroge = The “beef” that our FO has been searching for.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jul 30, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually hope so, because I’m wary of any move we make to actually “beef” up our front line.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drinking the Riley/Nelson brew out there?
You guys that are saying this is a meaningless trade don’t know what the hell your talking about.
Listen up, every trade has meaning, you either make a good trade or a bad trade, and this trade is a jack ass trade and were the one’s saying he haw he haw.
These idiots don’t have a plan or the abilty to make a good trade, We gave Al away for a guy that we couldn’t;t wait to get rid of, this is the kind of crap that losing teams do because there run by morons.
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marco to Tor is no where near as bad a trade as that one was …
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard.
It’s the same jack ass mentality, Nelson and Riley need to get the hell out of town…
This was the last straw for me, dats all I can stands, I can’t stands no more @!!
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax
Marco wasn’t that good. Plus we have 9 guards on the roster. We get George as our new 11th man off the bench. He’s 6’8" and can play 3 (and 4 when a team goes small). Further more, we didn’t have to pick up his option on Oct 31st and we got paid cash to cover George’s salary.
If Marco was good that would one thing, but he’s not and he’s totally over rated by most Warrior fans, who I think root for him only because he’s white.
A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
by mcwalter44 on Jul 30, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s white.
he’s Italian
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
point...
A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
by mcwalter44 on Jul 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really have to wave the ignorant flag in the wind?
by Folkyou on Jul 30, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really have to wave the ignorant flag in the wind?
How would we know what you have to do?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“He’s 6’8” and can play 3 (and 4 when a team goes small)."
If by this you mean, he’s not good enough to ever play a minute in the NBA again, then yes, you are correct.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair point
But I’d think Nellie believe he can squeeze a good 5 to 8 minutes out of him a night. If that means that Jackson doesn’t have to play 40 minutes a game because we need him to guard the opponents best perimeter player then his addition will be well worth the sacrifice of the great white (Italian) hype named Bellinelli.
A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
by mcwalter44 on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if you’ve checked out Devean George’s stats, but he’s legitimately awful. Nellie frustrates me and I’m not sure he’s the right guy for the job at the moment, but he does know what he’s doing, and I’m confident he would never play Devean George.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MT is saying Nellie is going to play him
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 30, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let’s all hope that doesn’t end up happening.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If George ends up stealing more minutes from Morrow, Curry, Buike, Randolph or Wright than Belinelli would’ve then I’ll join you on the “very against this trade” side.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Riley said he was going to play, not nellie directly.
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he didn’t say he was going to play cards on the plane?
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like he said he wanted beef for dinner?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes offensively he sucks...
but he’s supposedly a defensive guy. Here what Hollenger said about him before last season:
Scouting report: George is better at defense than offense, as he’s capable of playing either forward spot, and the Mavs made heavy use of him as a power forward in small-ball lineups. He’s a better matchup at small forward, where he has good size at 6-foot-8 and still moves well, but Dallas was a body short in the frontcourt last year.
Offensively, the 3-pointer from the corner is his only threatening shot. George isn’t nearly as accurate once he fakes and pulls up from midrange, but does this far too often. He still elevates fairly well around the basket so he’s a decent finisher, but he’s not a good enough dribbler to get there on his own and lacks a great first step.
He can’t really guard the 4 spot, which is what Dallas was having him do. Mind you Nellie might do the same thing, but as long as he’s a 5 to 10 minute guy giving Jackson and Maggette some help in playing defense at the 3 spot then I don’t see it as being so bad.
A Sonics fan without a team... but 6 season now of GS Warriors ticket have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
by mcwalter44 on Jul 30, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“he has good size at 6-foot-8 and still moves well”
Fixed. He’s old, slow and literally provides nothing. Every minute of PT he gets is a minute he actively makes the team worse.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Btw
Brian Colangelo was in love with this guy from the begginning. You could have at least held out for Antoine Wright… we might have even given you guys Patrick O’bryant back. LOL.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow! never have I seen such an uproar over trading the
12th best man on a team. Lets take inventory. Exactly where did Bellinelli fall in the pecking order? Beans, Jax, AR, BW, Monta, Azi, Ammo, Rony, Mags, Curry, C.J.,,,,, 12th at best. So everyone is up in arms about a guy who is the 12th guy on our team as far as minutes? WTF? Guess he was a good waterboy? Wait was he in charge of carrying the luggage? I don’t get it? Get off the ledge!
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's where he played.
C’mon even you aren’t ignorant enough to know that he was misused. That in the proper system where he’s allowed to play his game that he’s a better player than he showed here…or maybe you are that ignorant.
by Folkyou on Jul 30, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was, at best, the 11th guy on the team.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 30, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
footnote
this deal is such trivial deal it is not even listed as a news story on NBA.com.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That says something. It suggests that the 900,325,345 posts suggesting we just made the equivalent of sending away a young Michael Jordan for Uwe Blaab are probably overreacting.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the release of frustration from Golden State Fans of drafting players that need time to develop, don’t get that time, and get traded away for nothing. And Raptors fans laughing at them. If there’s one team we can laugh it, it’s definatly the Warriors.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya and Bosh is staying!!!
hahahahhahaha
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm actually he is ... Since you like to laugh so much .. here is one for you ...
2002 No. 1 pick: Mike Dunleavy, traded by Nelson/Mullin in Indiana mega-deal.
-2003 No. 1 pick: Mickael Pietrus, let go as a free agent in summer 2008, signed with Orlando.
-2004 No. 1 pick: Andris Biedrins, almost dealt to Phoenix this summer, potentially included in any major trade talks the Warriors have.
-2005 No. 1 pick: Ike Diogu, traded in mega-Indiana deal.
-2006 No. 1 pick: Patrick O’Bryant, third-year team option not picked up, left as free agent after second season.
-2007 No. 1 pick: Belinelli, traded to Toronto today.
Also: Wright, acquired in trade draft night, now in Warriors limbo
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHA
"even though I was born in Toronto Canada and I love the BlueJays and the Raptors and the Leafs .. I cut my finger this morning and I was BLEEDING CHIEFS RED BABY!!!"
by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as much as we love seeing your, um, derriere posted here, it’s a bit baffling you want to spend so much time on GSoM rather than http://www.raptorshq.com/
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
T-Dot
Go back to NBA hell in Canada: we don’t need your trolling nonsense over here.
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOOOOO what you are sayin is ...
You want me to take my ball and go play somewhere else?? LOL
To think TORONTO could stir up SOO MUCH TROUBLE .. lol
"even though I was born in Toronto Canada and I love the BlueJays and the Raptors and the Leafs .. I cut my finger this morning and I was BLEEDING CHIEFS RED BABY!!!"
by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto is the equivilant of
Siberia in the NBA. More players have left or wanted to leave than any other team. Now all you can get are Euros. Where’s Vince?
hahhahahhaha
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't talk to me ...
about players leaving!! LOL WHO DO YOU GUYS EVEN HAVE??? LOL
"even though I was born in Toronto Canada and I love the BlueJays and the Raptors and the Leafs .. I cut my finger this morning and I was BLEEDING CHIEFS RED BABY!!!"
by T-DotChiefFanSince93 on Jul 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bun Chris Bosh...
Sign and trade Bosh for Amare Stoudemire… get a real big man please Toronto. Bosh thinks he’s reggie miller with his trigger happy jumper. He’s got 2 guard speed and he’s a seven footer… yet he likes to shoot that ugly loopty looking jumper every chance he gets. GROW A PAIR ALREADY.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably...
He actively pursued Hedo, his roomate from college is now the back up one and two, Jarrett Jack. When he was asked by a Dallas reporter if he was coming home to play, he talked about how much he loved T.O.. Even the reporter for the Dallas Newspaper guessed that he’d probably resign. And the Raptors AS YOU WILL SEE have dramatically improved. And we can offer him substantially more money than anybody else.
by Folkyou on Jul 30, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG!
And I thought I’d never hear the words UWE BLAAB utter in sports blog!
almost fell over on that one…
Ahh Eee Ahh Eee Ahh! Waahh! Waahh! Wahh!
by Tim&ChrisBurger on Jul 30, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crab
You talk like one of the morons that make the trade ?
Next they will give BWright away for a future 2nd rounder, or a little cash, thius is pure BS
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crabby
The trade hasn’t happened officially, give it some time.
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this
You nasty attitude and all this whining is over a trade that has’;t offcially happened? That makes a lot of sense!
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabby
I don’t see it that way, my complaining os the voice of reason:
What makes no sense here is your idiotic nonsense about this being a meaningless trade:
You been doped into saying that by sipping to much of the Nellie brew.
The fans need to stand up and let this bunch of morons so they know were not happy with the way there running the team and if they don’t appreciate our concerns they can take their team and shove it.
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So CJ might be staying after all.
Since it looks like the magic aren’t going to be able to get him.
Marco was an interesting player, but I have to agree that he wouldn’t have had much playing time this season.
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good trade for both sides
GSW saves some money, reduces the glut in the back court. Toronto (which is the opposite of the Warriors in terms of swingman depth) get some insurance at the two. Sounds like everybody wins. While Belinelli’s no Jordan, he’s still young enough with enough potential to be worth the expiring contract of Devean George.
by CalexanderJ on Jul 30, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“GSW saves some money”
I don’t consider our owner stuffing his pockets to be a “win” for the Golden State Warriors.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grumpster!
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/warriors_acquire_devean_george.html
Does this make it official?
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crabby =)
yeh that makes it offical, and it’s in the news there genius =)
You can downplay the signficence of this bone head move if you like, it only shows how duped you are.
For one thing marco has not been used right because of this maniac of a coacht is retarded, and needs to hit the road, I’ve had it with the Don the dumbell.
He almost got rid of AR last year? have you already forgotten? the kid went outside the Warriors to get council and was lucky for us to have been told to hang in there.
Don is a brain dead, he’s running on his old reputation nothing more.
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Raptors
are going to be really good this year. Marco might be a starting guard and he will show everyone, including the Warriors, that he is the real deal.
by 3Kings650 on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Our 12th best player is gonna start on your team?
hahahahhaha
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy your team didn't have the foresight to properly develop...
…is going to find his legs on the Raps while your wheeling around the aged and crippled George.
And he isn’t starting he’ll be the third two guard off the bench, but he’ll get his time and get a chance to earn a better spot in a culture that takes developing talent very seriously.
by Folkyou on Jul 30, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…is going to find his legs on the Raps while your wheeling around the aged and crippled George.
We don’t need Devean George to play a single second in case you haven’t figured that out yet.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 30, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crab
I agree with you there, but that don’t justify these kind of moronic moves. the fact that our 12th best player is staring on there team is a joke, but they still get one over on us for our stupidity
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marco won't start for them
Marco might even hate it there and not get much playing time.
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Marco will hate a city infested by Italians.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ever been to North Beach in SF? It all Italians!
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Some of the best american pizza (outside NY) can be found there.
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not going to be a starter
.. whoever suggested that is nuts.
by ColtKing on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people make no sense
When you trade a player, you trade to make your team better, please explain to me how does George make our team better? I don’t care about the concept that Marco wouldn’t have played or earned enough minutes because it really seem irrelevant. The bottom line is Marco is a better player than George, so when you trade a player you expect an equal or better player for your team. George doesn’t help us win and let me add that we don’t know what is going to happen in training camp or the regular season. We might face injuries that would have required Marco to play. This trade is purely done to lessen the cap for this year and next. Basically the organization is saying that we don’t care about this season and we will rebuild next year. Marco was an asset or chip card that we could have used it to get a serviceable PF. Now we can only hope to package Claxton, Law and George for a serviceable PF even though i doubt anyone would take these crappy players. My dream trade is ruined Marco, Claxton and Law (maybe a second rounder) for Lee in a sign trade. Hopefully we can offer Watson for such a trade.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Jul 30, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My dream trade is ruined
another upside to this trade? now we can stop hearing about it??
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
another upside to this trade?
we can stop reading about how Marco would be a great PG next to Monta ..
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Cain we now behold this chain of events that we must break !!
In the time of my confession, in the hour of my deepest need, we trade Marco?
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Cain we now behold this chain of events that we must break !!
Don’t have the inclination to look back on any mistakes?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they called it "puffy love"
Your right on the mark puffy !!
by ForestGrump on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My dream trade is ruined Marco, Claxton and Law (maybe a second rounder) for Lee in a sign trade.
I was thinking the same thing! But there’s still a way that it can happen, however improbable it may be, it is still possible. Lee is asking for ~10mil, I think he’s worth around 7-8 mil and since New York is looking for all the expirings they can find, we can send them Claxton, Law, and now, George for a S&T for Lee. We could also include Wright in that, since they’ll probably want SOME sort of height in that sign and trade, Lee would automatically get all of Wright’s minutes and split the PF minutes with AR, but I think we would still need to get another veteran PF via free agency to balance out this roster.
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's really good with...
Golden State and their fans addiction with overpaying players. Did you not learn from Corey Maggette? David Lee would have not made your team any better. Who was David Lee boxing out rebounds for in NY? Nate Robinson? Eddy Curry? No… he was still walking past the half court line trying to get to the defensive end.
by DominicSantiago on Jul 30, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"More on Marco Trade"
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/07/30/more-on-marco-trade/
Either nellie has an amazing plan to use George or he’s our new kurz
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
so, while I agree with everything else he described there, this one part made me laugh:
GM Larry Riley has wanted to add some veteran experience anyway. George, at his best, can stick the 3 and match-up against the difficult threes of the league like Ron Artest and LeBron James.
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have Azubuike or Jackson guard them. I don’t want George to EVER suit up and step on the floor for us. I hope he’s dressed in a suit every night and given free courtside season tickets to all the Warriors games this season.
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 30, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the…? If he can stick with James, he should be getting the big bucks.
by shark94112 on Jul 30, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody can stick with James. Even if George could, he’s a horrid offensive player.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope you don't mind
i’ll make a fanshot out of this
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 30, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW......
Personally I felt we finally started to see the “true” Marco when he was finally being given some minutes and he was starting to show some real promise. He has good court vision, passes superbly, some of his inside dish’s were a joy to watch and THEN……. just as he is starting to show what he can do…he gets injured……THAT was a great shame.
However, trading for a guy who did this?
“Last season he appeared in 43 games for the Mavs, averaging 3.4 points and 1.8 rebounds in 16.5 minutes”……
People seriously think we could not have gotten more value by including Marco with Wright and maybe another in a bigger trade?
IMHO this is a terrible trade…. UNLESS, George is simply going to rotate in the revolving door and we use George as part of another trade being built.
If not…. and this is our one highlight trade for the summer…….
It just made my decision whether to get renew my season tickets, A LOT easier….
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 30, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great
shorter lines at the beer concession!
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats real quality right there....
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 30, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I'm a fan
unlike you and others, I will still go to the games, I will still watch the games on TV and I will still post on this board. Posturing like I’m not going to follow my team is dumb.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making your team...
…accountable for it’s mistakes is what an adult does. What gives the management the impetus to better the team if automitoms show up no matter what product they put on the floor.
by Folkyou on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
George
might be one of the ugliest players in the NBA.
Our Buki-loving female fans on here will not be pleased..
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jul 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I will not buy a single Warriors ticket or piece of merchandise until Chris Cohan sells the team.
I will not buy a single Warriors ticket or piece of merchandise until Chris Cohan sells the team.
by slimman on Jul 30, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I beg you - DO NOT RENEW YOUR SEASON TICKETS
Quit supporting an owner who has no commitment to winning and open contempt for the fans who line his pockets. This is not part of a bigger trade, Cohan needs money and is lining his pockets with his savings. repeat teh mantra:
I will not buy a single Warriors ticket or piece of merchandise until Chris Cohan sells the team.
by slimman on Jul 30, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does he really NEED the money? Or is he just being a dick? I doubt he is having a tough time putting food on the table.
by aBulldog on Jul 30, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he is having a tough time putting food on the table.
He’s currently got a lot of problems with the IRS and numerous other lawsuits against him…
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 30, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are 31 owners I can’t fault for looking out for the investment (the team they own), for the same reason I’ll never fault a player for trying to get as much money as they can. That said, that 1 person who owns the team I root for better be trying to win at all costs!
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
29, 31, I can’t keep track with all these sports these days. :)
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MT seem to be taking a more sensible viewpoint then most
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a joke. If this is a fantasy bball league move, the commissioner will step in immediately red flag and say “wtf, this is cheating, not fair”.
by hkingkong on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So far the only professional writer/analyis I've heard liking this trade is...Bob Fitz
Just saying, but I might have missed something somewhere i guess
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Fitz likes almost everything the Warriors does
What exactly is Fitz saying that’s so good about this trade?
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 30, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That "Marco wasn't going to play anyways" and all that good stuff
It seems like he’s kind of avoiding it though, didn’t even kind of mention it until a caller slipped it in as a second question
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 30, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Fitz is a nice broadcaster and all, but that doesn’t surprise me. However, the main point is correct in that Marco wouldn’t have played much for us anyway, which is why I’m not personally all that upset by the trade.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 30, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitz?
“Now I pimp em and they pay me”. That guy?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what other writers have analyzed the trade? Does anyone besides Fitz care about this trade?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cash for clunkers
This is the warriors own cash for clunkers program. Just dump your clunkers in Oakland.
by hkingkong on Jul 30, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
marco and c.j watson will tear up the league
by DubsDominate on Jul 30, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow this wouldn't totally suck would it?
The darn concession lines would get longer again.’
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/7/30/969599/possible-deal-talked-about-on-espn
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody wish we would have done the Belinelli and Buike trade for Bell instead of this one?
I think I’d still rather have buike…
by 123707THIZZ on Jul 30, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
That’s an even worst trade than this one
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 30, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for Marco
and as for Fitz doesnt he remind any of you… of the guy in gulliver ( the negative guy who say were never going to make it or we cant do it).
I can’t tell you how many times i turned down the sound or yelled for him to shut up when the warriors were playing because Fitz drove me crazy with his negativity about the warriors and his gloating of other teams players.
And by the way…… didnt Fitz go behind his EX- friend Greg Papa and steal his job right from underneath him? Greg Papa was twice the annoucer Fitz is!
As for Marco here is your break…. make the best of it ….we will be rooting for you!
by Borntowinn on Jul 30, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough to play for Nellie
Marco got the break he needed….it’s tough to play for Nellie because the young players are always looking over their shoulder when they make a mistake because he has a quick trigger.
look at Randolph last year he plays hard plays great and one mistake and your on the bench. But if your one of his pets make all the mistakes you want and no penalty(ala Stephen Jackson) who i love as a player but needs to get a grip on his emotions.
Same thing happened to Marco plays great and 1 mistake to the bench for 2 weeks. He’s the only warrior that bothered Kobe and played him tough and of course we trade him. Chris Bosh just got an early Christmas present.
by Borntowinn on Jul 30, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your entitled to your own opinion...
.. but an uneducated one at that. Bosh personally recruited Hedo Turkoglu, Bosh was ecstatic when his best friend in the league (and College roommate and teammate) Jarrett Jack got signed by T.O., Bosh recently explained to his hometown Dallas newspaper that he loves Toronto and he was 19 when he moved there but it has become a second home, and to top it off the Cap will drop again amidst the poor economy and the Raptors can offer him more years with higher percentage increases in salary than any other team.
So keep dreaming about him coming to Golden State Mr. Sour grapes!
by ColtKing on Jul 31, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your [sic] entitled to your own opinion….. but an uneducated one at that.
Alas, slamming someone as uneducated while simultaneously displaying one’s own inability to differentiate between a common contraction and a possessive is no longer ironic. It’s just par for the inter-web’s course. (I was under the impression that grammar was part of the curriculum in Canada’s elementary and secondary schools, eh?)
by jae on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
So I’m typing quickly on here and I forgot to place an apostrophe – I suppose that is fair game to start bashing the Canadian education system. Do you really want to go there my friend? Because I have a feeling if you want to start comparing education systems and health care etc. you won’t like the results. EH?
by ColtKing on Aug 1, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An apostrophe and an ‘e’ actually. Plenty of US Americans screw that up too. I wasn’t defending the US education system or our health care system. I won’t do so either. The little I know of the Canadian educational system I know of I was exposed to when I turned down a job as a prof in Hamilton. It didn’t really seem all that different, though it was snowing in April and I prefer to keep my snow in my playgrounds a few hours’ drive away.
I just find irony in someone juxtaposing a claim that someone’s opinion is uneducated while making a mistake like that. Well, it would be ironic if it didn’t seem to be the rule of internet. I think I see more cases where some types “your an idiot” than the grammatically correct version.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's even funnier.
..is the fact that you had to delete my criticism of your major grammar error in one of your posts way below this one (which was also a reply to my post). You like to dish the criticism but can’t take it back.. Classic hypocrite!
by ColtKing on Aug 1, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a “major grammatical error?” I typed considerable instead of considerably and that’s major? You seem to have pretty high standards if that’s major. What does it make confusing a possessive pronoun with a contraction form of a verb? An apocalyptic error? (It’s an innocent mistake. Both of them were, but when you place it next to calling someone uneducated, there’s more than a touch of humor.)
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Major by your standards... apparently!
by ColtKing on Aug 1, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ps. Maybe you can't read.
I called his opinion uneducated. Never did I state that the individual was uneducated. Simply his opinion on the matter. Read it again and again untill you get it through your very imaginative head my hypocrite friend.
by ColtKing on Aug 1, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The little I know of the Canadian educational system I know of I was exposed to when I turned down a job as a prof in Hamilton.
Is that verbose?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Of coarse it is… Our buddy JAE likes to think he is an impressive, smart individual. The fact that he makes many errors along the way while criticizing others is the most humorous part though… What a hoot this has been!
by ColtKing on Aug 2, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of coarse it is…
you mean of course?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
ya i sometimes write the wrong coarse when I type quick but you are correct.. i suppose this is fair game for JAE to bash my country once again.. It’s all good though, because he’ll make another error himself, thus I will have the opportunity to once again call him a hypocrite.
by ColtKing on Aug 2, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I make mistakes. Happens. Never claimed I didn’t. I think you’re missing the initial irony though. It wasn’t the mistake so much as where you put it. Do you not see why suggesting someone educate themselves why making a grammatical error in the same sentence is a bit funny? Really? It’s like Homer Simpson dancing around singing “I am so smart. Es Em Ar Tee.” If you really can’t take a cute poke and decide that somehow I was “slamming” the Canadian educational system, your skin is far, far too thin for these forums. If that equates to “bashing your country” I don’t think I can help you. It wasn’t. Get over it.
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think you understood the initial humor. I’ve never, ever claimed I don’t make mistakes. I do try not to make them in the same sentence where I tell someone to educate themselves. You don’t see some ironic humor there? Not even a little? Really?
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
..if I actually did call him uneducated (as you seem to have incorrectly interpreted my sentence for some reason). Instead, I suggested that his opinion on the matter was uneducated. There’s a big difference. You can try to justify your irony all you want but the fact is that you purposely took a shot at the Canadian education system (and basically me) because I had a typo. Not to mention that you clearly misinterpreted my sentence in the first place. It probably was done with the sour grapes of this trade still in your mouth nonetheless – understandable to say the least lol.
by ColtKing on Aug 2, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can try to justify your irony all you want but the fact is that you purposely took a shot at the Canadian education system (and basically me) because I had a typo. Not to mention that you clearly misinterpreted my sentence in the first place.
Haha, You don’t want anyone to make the Canadian educational system look stupid? but paranoid is ok??
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riiiiight...
I’m not trying to make it look any which way. The bottom line is that the fact that it came up by the hypocrite JAE was pathetic in the first place.
by ColtKing on Aug 2, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can try to justify your irony all you want but the fact is that you purposely took a shot at the Canadian education system (and basically me)
You’re half right. I did take a shot at you. I made a joke. Are you really so terribly terribly insecure and paranoid that a joke about your grammar that mentioned “the Canadian educational system” (is there even such a thing? are there not multiple systems at various levels of municipalities and provinces?) gets you so bent out of shape?
It still strikes me as funny that someone would tell someone else to educate themselves about anything while making a blunder, even a blunder that by internet standards happens pretty regularly. Instead of just thinking “opps, yeah, I guess there is some irony there” you chose to take it as an affront to all Canadians. It really wasn’t. You’re being more than a tad bit hypersensitive. I do not know why.
Grow some skin.
It probably was done with the sour grapes of this trade still in your mouth nonetheless –
Unlikely. Honestly, I gave Belinelli about as much thought as I give chubecabra attacks when he was here. I hope that I don’t have to give George any more thought. I really, honestly in my heart of hearts do not think that this trade was a big deal in the slightest. I marvel at why people are worked up over it even more than I marvel at how sensitive you are to go looking to find reasons to feel slighted as a Canadian.
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was very, very surprised about the trade. I didn’t even know Devean George was still in the league.
by shark94112 on Jul 30, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
huh
does this benefit the warriors in ANY way at all? is devean george more attractive to other gms, even just as a throw in, than marco? really?
if you have 2 equally bad players, i’ll take the younger one thanks.
by rockyRamona on Jul 30, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it does benefit the Warriors in a few small ways
- 1 fewer guards fighting for minutes
- more certainty that Morrow will fit into the rotation somewhere
- no Marco team option drama to deal with
- George probably won’t complain sitting on the bench. Marco might have.
- Raptors paying for George (not sure how much), so he’s basically a free/cheap player
So it’s not a total waste for us.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 30, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This helps curry more
He becomes the only person who has ball handing skills on the team (I’d rate Marco above cj/monta for that, but of course monta hasn’t had a chance yet to show what he can do)
by mosdl on Jul 30, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
on fighting for minutes: because competing for minutes is bad? to who?
on morrow getting more minutes: even if you have too many guards, doesn’t make a lot of sense to trade them for nothing.
should the warriors really be that worried about marco’s ego?
but yeah, you’re right. Here’s to the future superstar we will land with the extra 1.6 million.
::cheers::
by rockyRamona on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last one. And that’s really it. They’re paying us to do this.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
At one time, wasn’t Devean George considered a good defender? and decent 3point shooter?
I’d probably prefer they just release him and make room for minutes for Morrow and Buike, but maybe that was their thinking.
seems like Belli could have capture more the George’s expiring contract.
Of the little he showed as a W, he did show great floor vision and passing skills and a lethal J. He showed promise.
He also showed he has lead feet – i think he was slower than Mullie even.
by joegiant on Jul 30, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BEEF
Hes a big body who has a lot of experience and is ready to play now…would have wanted someone else to go because I like Marco but it should be a good pick up for the dubs!
by blacksamurai33 on Jul 30, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What does “big body” mean to you, exactly? If by ready to play, you mean ready to put up the worst stats in the NBA*, because that’s what he did when he played last year?
*Note: I don’t actually know if they were the worst, but they were awful and had to be up there.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
… but it should be a good pick up for the dubs!

The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 30, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the poll
The poll is kind’ve misleading to me. Does it mean meaningless like “why in hell would they do this trade?” or meaningless like “it doesn’t matter that we lost Belinelli.” Maybe a simpler ‘was this a good trade’ would’ve been better. I tend to think that if that question was posed that the overwhelming majority (like 95%) would agree that the Warriors got screwed. Heck, a retarded dead and dumb could see that the Warriors got majorly f’d in the buttox.
by RowellMustGo on Jul 30, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess you can interpret it any way you want to.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Rowell...
.. but it is pretty clear that the poster of this blog story was still sulking in his sour grapes when he created the poll no doubt… but i digress
by ColtKing on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we coulda got MUCH BETTER
player for him what a waste..this trade realy pissed me off.
everybudy in the WHOLE WARRIORS organization needs to go.
and in the words of Al Harrington: Nellies a Gangster.
by dabayzwarrior on Jul 30, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Devean is an
athletic knucklehead. Didn’t we just get rid of one in Jamal Crawford and we still have one in Corey Magette. Just added another player with no brains and no ability to deliver when its on the line. WTF???? This ain’t going to help us.
by yobo on Jul 30, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This aint going to help us, but it is not going to hurt us. George is playing here for free and will not be taking playing time from anyone, so there is really no downside to this trade unless, Marco somehow turns into a All-Star.
by tandy on Jul 30, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or unless we have a couple injuries and could have used Marco. Or unless we could have gotten something decent for Marco at some point later. Or unless someone wanted Marco as a throw in more than they want George. Or unless Marco actually proves to be a decent on ball defender. I could go on, but it’ll probably get less plausible, so I’ll just stop. The point is it’s probably fairly unlikely this is going to hurt us, but the possibility does exist.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is it’s probably fairly unlikely this is going to hurt us, but the possibility does exist.
who has that animation of beating a dead horse? we could use that here …
by hardcore on Jul 30, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is it’s probably fairly unlikely this is going to hurt us, but the possibility does exist.
That’s the sort of logic that suggests you should never trade anyone.
by jae on Jul 30, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“That’s the sort of logic that suggests you should never trade anyone.”
Or the sort of logic that suggests you should never trade anyone for nothing in return.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mullin's picks
I just want to check in on Atma’s totally unfair smear on Mullin’s legacy:
1. Parading out all Mullin’s 2nd round picks as evidence that he was a stupid GM. You can’t really call second round picks busts bc they almost never pan out. To be a bust something has to be expected of you. They are gambles at best. If you get one Monta in 4-5 years of second rounders you’ve done more than enough. Mullin got Monta so his 2nd round record is solid. Almost every gm in the league gets his share of Lasmes and Tafts.
2. Not giving Mullin credit for Randolph. Everything I remember reading around the draft was that Mullin really liked AR and wanted him so even if he was a “lame duck” he was still the GM at the draft and Randolph should be up there.
3. Not looking at the picks in context. Mullin took chances on raw big men or big men with perceived flaws bc that’s the only way to get an impact guy drafting where he was drafting. Obviously there will be some misses. O’Bryant may be a bust but I can’t call him a terrible pick bc when you look at what was availabe in that awful draft taking a chance on a long 7 footer with some upside was not the worst thing you could do. Immediately after POB the picks were Saer Sene, JJ Reddick and Hilton Armstrong. If you look at Mullin’s lottery picks counting the Wright deal as a pick- Biedrins, Diogu, POB, Wright, Randolph- and two or three of these guys anchor your front line and one turns into an all-star or near all-star you’ve done a solid job. If Randolph is as good as a lot of people think he will be Mullin’s grade will be even higher.
4. Mullin gets a lot of flack considering he made all the moves that brought the Warriors from being a joke to two winning seasons in a row and one playoff series victory. If the Ws rebound from last year as seems likely it will be largely bc of the Mullin picks of Monta, Biedreins and Randolph. None of the new moves by Nelson-Riley look promising with the possible exception of the Curry pick, which as someone posted, was something of a no-brainer.
by gsfool on Jul 30, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
and Marco as fools gold, well uh how bout a little PT in the regular season from the crazy head coach
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
by FriscoJoe on Jul 30, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Solution for PF
Every free agent is going to some team, why can’t we sign Warrick to a two year deal. Also sign Leon Powe who might not be back until January but will really be good for our team. Hell, Powe might be willing to give us hometown discount and we have solid PF and C in our team. Hakim Warrick really fits as a backup to AR and will help this team with athleticism and scoring. Powe was solid in Boston and when he got his minutes he did avg double double on those games. I really wish we sign Powe for a five year deal, I think he could be our answer in PF and C as a backup or starter if AR never materializes into the player we expect.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Jul 30, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Powe
is coming off of his fourth surgery in his left knee and his third acl tear. I liked him when he was healthy on the Celts, but best to save the spot and $$, (which is evidently very very important.)
Anthony Randoph for Most Improved Player
by danielholl on Jul 30, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Powe’s injury can happen to any player, for the past three years he has been healthy, he went from undrafted player to wining a championship ring with the Celtics. It wasn’t that the knee flared up on him, instead it was collision with another player that got him hurt. As far as money goes, there is always ways to mend contracts for example signing him for three years with the next two years being not guarantee. Rumors are that Cavs have already pursued his service. Wouldn’t you hate the fact that he comes back healthy and avg 15 pts and 8 rbs with the Cavs? I seriously think there is a risk reward to having Powe. As a starter Powe avg 14 pts and close to 8 rbs this year and last year he avg 16 pts and 7 rbs. Numbers don’t lie, his numbers are comparable to Paul Milisap who avg 16 pts and 10 rbs but we don’t have to pay him $ 7 or 8 m a year. Would this conversation even happen if he didn’t get injured? Powe would have played for Celtics this year and been a hot commodity next year. This is time to invest on a low stock that will definitely jump up in the coming years.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Jul 30, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Powe would have played for Celtics this year and been a hot commodity next year.
If the Celtics thought he would recover why din’t they stash him away for later?
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Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Answer :>
Because of Rasheed Wallace signing
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Jul 30, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors Update - July 30th
Over the past 2 weeks, there has been plenty of NBA activity: trades, free agent signings, players moving around the league. And while the rich have gotten richer (the most improved teams are the perennially deep-into-the-playoffs teams), the league has divided into “haves and have-nots”and our beloved Ws have been watching from the sidelines.
But not to worry, the team website counters. They say, and I kid you not, as I quote verbatim:
“It may be July, but the Warriors have been plenty busy…from the 2009 NBA draft… [Drum roll, please – its worth waiting for this one] to Warrior Girl Tryouts, the organization has experienced a bevy of activity.”
No, please, pick yourself off the floor, stop laughing and catch your breath.
I say this because our beloved front office crew proved yesterday they are after more than a better dance routine. While they sat idly while Vince Carter, Shawn Marion, Hedo Turkoglu, Shaq, Tyson Chandler, Andre Miller, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva, Richard Jefferson, Sheed, Antonio McDyess, Brandon Bass, Mike Miller, Trevor Ariza, Ron Artest, Channing Frye all found new homes, the Ws showed they mean business on Wednesday. They made a trade.
They acquired Toronto’s hotly pursued Devean George. And all they had to give up was Marco Belinelli, the 18th overall ‘07 pick. And here comes the really good news: Toronto is picking up most of George’s $1.6mm salary next year.
Why, you might ask, is that really good news? Well, lets assume you own an NBA team in the Bay Area. And lets assume that you have well documented and publicly known IRS problems and personal cash flow issues. And lets say that there was a salary cap and luxury tax system in place where, if your NBA team is below the cap, you get your pro rata cash distribution of other owners’ luxury tax payments. Hmmm…
So you dump a player making $10mm a year for a couple of players who wont be on the team much longer. Really helpful. But you could use a little more. So you speak to the coach and your buddy, the team president, and ask: how can we trim the payroll more without scaring away the fans?
Well, you are told, we have a logjam at the 2 guard position, 6 guys who will fight for minutes – Jax, Morrow, Monta, Curry, Azebuke, Belinelli. Marco wont see a lot of playing time – he’s not in the coach’s fave 5. We can dump him and save a couple of scheckles. Lets find sometime who will take him and also eat the salary of the player we get in return.
Viola! Its done.
Never mind 2 years ago we were very high on our first round pick. Terrific shooter, can drive to the hoop, slick passer, great NBA potential, a vital piece of our future.
And we get to cement our position among the “have-nots.” All so easy.
Are we, the fans, disappointed? Well, the team still has alot of potential – Randolph is developing into a legit NBA star. Morrow is proving he belongs, can stretch the floor and perhaps lead the league in 3s shooting again. Monta and Jax are healthy. Curry might contribute, despite shooting 38% in the Vegas league against wannabes. And maybe this is the year Brandon Wright shows he is an NBA player deserving of 30+ minutes/game.
And, I believe the trading isnt done. Here is a prediction: In late August, when Speedy Claxton is available to be moved, The Ws trade for Carlos Boozer.
Whoa, you say. Wait just a cotton picking minute. This might make the team better. And Boozer is highly paid. How does that jive with the salary dumping, penny pinching Ws ownership? Its a short term / long term thing. Here’s the deal:
They give up Claxton, Andre Biedrins, maybe Brandon Wright, maybe a #1 pick.
Looks exciting. Is it good? For the Jazz, its terrific. They get rid of someone who is leaving in a year, carries a huge salary and already has a very promising replacement. In return, the Jazz get a legit low post center who is quick, can move, score and rebound, and fits well in their motion offense. He is signed long term. Maybe their missing piece to make a serious run at the championship.
The Ws? They get Boozer. A terrific player, no doubt, even if he is sometimes accused of not playing defense (and who on the Ws roster isnt in that boat?). But he is on loan for 1 year, and that’s the beauty for the ownership – Boozer’s $13mm salary comes off the books after this season, and the Ws ownership get out from under Biedrin’s 5 year, $50mm contract.
The Ws lose their only legit center and leading rebounder on a team starved for rebounding.
And, us? The fans? Tantalized for one more season of almost making the playoffs. Just a thought….
Until next time….
by dangerman on Jul 30, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Warriors trade for Boozer?
That makes no sense and giving up Biedrins who’s light years ahead on defense! Biedrins also is a better rebounder on the offensive side and on the defensive side it makes no sense for the Warriors to pursue Boozer.
Especially since they werent’ really serious about getting Amare Stoudemire either and he’s a little bit better defender than Boozer is. Give me a break the Warriors offseason has been god awful. Starting by not renewing the contract of Mullin their best GM in a longtime.
Of course it would get better if Cohan actually sells the team and the Warriors get an owner who will actually spend money and do things to make the team better not worse. Boozer does not make the Warriors better either.
by Rocky632 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh no!
I love Marco Belinelli. People chanted Rocky!
remember all the hits he took from Garnet? He is like Rocky
anyway. good luck Marco!
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The REAL joke is..
… the Author of this posting’s clear mental retardation that he seems to be unaware of. Toronto CRAPTORS?? right… some sour grapes my friend. Bargnani’s extension? Get real buddy, do some research on what big-men get paid and I can guarantee you that you didn’t watch much of the Raps last season (especially the second half of the season) where Andrea really blossomed. I don’t think there is one player on the Golden State roster that will be as good as Andrea in a year or two. That’s not even a joke but it’s funnier than anything in your post. AHHAHAHAHA
by ColtKing on Jul 30, 2009 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Get real buddy, do some research on what big-men get paid and I can guarantee you that you didn’t watch much of the Raps last season (especially the second half of the season) where Andrea really blossomed.
By “blossomed” you must mean “shot the ball better”. Unfortunately, that alone in a big man seldom translates to wins. Bargnani is probably the worst rebounding big man in the league. A 4/5 type who rebounds like a wing is a major liability. Yes, the NBA hype machine and the general fan appreciation for scoring tends to downplay this, but more advanced study of the game tells us that there’s much more to it. Rebounds matter. They matter a lot. They are absolutely essential for the vast majority of defensive stops and a 4/5 who regularly gets outrebounded by 4 to 6 boards a night is a defensive liability of epic proportions.
Bargnani may have gotten what other bigs get. I’ve researched it considerable. I’d bet considerable sums of money I’ve researched it (and the particulars of aspects of performance on win probability) more than you have. Unfortunately, he doesn’t do what other bigs do. His shooting does not offset his weakness on the glass. There is a reason why the Raptors were outscored when he played, but actually managed to outscore their opponents when he sat.
by jae on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HE WILL NEVER BE A DOMINATING REBOUNDER...
… and they don’t expect him to. Your whole argument basically is summed up as he was overpaid because he isn’t a great rebounder. You claim to have researched it more than me. Here are some Bigs making more money than andrea who I’d rather not have in comparison to Andrea (FTR, andrea is still cheap this year and his contract extension kicks in 2010):
Jermaine Oneal: 22Mil
Shaq: 20 mil
AK47: 16mil
Zack Randolph: 16mil
Kenyon Martin: 15.3 mil
Elton Brand: 14.8mil
Troy Murphy 11+ mil
Paul Milsap 10mil
M. Okur: 9mil (10+mil following year)
Bynum: 12.5mil (then 13.8mil then 15.1mil)
Z. Ilgauskas: 11.5mil
Okafor: 10.5mil (then 11.5 and 12.5 etc.)
Brad Miller 12.25mil
Josh Howard: 10.8mil then 11.8mil
Eric Dampier: 10.1mil then 13mil
Bogut: 10 mil then 11 mil then 12mil etc.
(This one not more but is ridiculous he is so close in salary): Dan Gadzuric: 6.7mil then 7.2mil
Tyson Chandler: 11.8mil then 12.7mil
B. Diaw: 9 mil for next 3 years
Kenny Thomas: 8.5 mil
E. Curry: 10.5 mil then 11.2mil
Al Harrington: 10mil
… and the list goes on and on.
Look there’s no secret about the fact that Andrea plays away from the basket on the offensive end, thus he is always going to get less rebounds than your typical 5. Additionally, he has really been working on his back to the basket post game last summer and this summer and we’ll see how he progresses in that area. In the end, Colangelo obviously acknoledges that Andrea is never going to lead the league in rebounding. Who said he has to? When you put together a roster as a general manager, you have to try to figure out each element on your team based on a collective whole of your roster. Therefore trading Kapono for Reggie Evans, essentially made the Raptors a tougher and better rebounding team. Heck even Jason Kidd can provide some rebounds as a pg (I know he’s not on the team). You have to plug in guys that get the job done, it doesn’t have to be all from your starting center. To suggest that a kid who is turning 24 in October and averaged over 5 rebounds a game while hardly ever playing near the basket in the offensive end is overpaid at 10 mil a year is a little over-the-top and unfounded. The sky is the limit for this young man. You were putting words in my mouth when you said my appreciation came because of scoring. That’s where your ignorance shines through my friend. It’s more clear than ever that YOU are basing your judgement on Andrea based on stats instead of actually watching him blossom as I had previously cited. It wasn’t just his scoring. His confidence, his defense, his bball IQ. Everything just started coming together last season. He has mentioned that Jay Triano gave him a new sense of confidence, because back when Sam Mitchell was coach, he’d pull Andrea after one mistake meanwhile Triano let him play through his errors. From that vantage point, I suppose coach Mitchell wasn’t much different than your very own Nellie!
by ColtKing on Aug 1, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jae isn’t taking unfounded potshots at Andrea. From what I’ve seen of his posts on this site, he’s primarily interested in which elements of basketball correlate most strongly to wins. Rebounding, especially from your bigs, is crucial if you want to consistently win basketball games. Andrea does NOT rebound well for a big, and therefore jae sees that he is not contributing significantly to wins. It’s nothing against Canada, the Raptors, Andrea, or anyone else. It’s just that Andrea does not rebound well for a big, and because winning the rebounding battle is strongly correlated to winning, Andrea is not contributing significantly to winning games. This is reinforced by his negative +/- stat.
by rjnarayen on Aug 2, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe someone can drag up the archives where I was similarly critical of Spencer Hawes (who is not, to the best of my knowledge, even slightly Canadian). Or better yet, the criticism I had for Al Harrington when he was here and seemingly popular with a significant portion of Warriors fans. I’m an equal opportunity critic of lousy rebounding bigs independent of nationality and team affiliation. If you are a big who cannot rebound, odds do not favor you helping your team to be any good. Looking around the league, there aren’t many good teams who have bigs who get the lion’s share of minutes at the 4 or 5 who rebound poorly. It’s real, real rare that a team can make up for the deficits created by poor rebounding.
This isn’t some hare-brained opinion of mine either. It’s something that’s rather well accepted by quite a number of people who professionally consult for NBA clubs. Even Hollinger, whose PER rating overemphasizes shooting (and shooting inefficiently) knows that rebounds are critical. Dean Oliver (not the former scrub point guard, but the basketball stats guru currently employed by the Nuggets IIRC) puts it as the second most critical factor in wins, after shooting efficiency. They are a solid (imperfect, but still usually rather good) marker of defense as they are critical to getting defensive shots. If you do not grab a rebound after a miss by the other team, that team has not been stopped. Similarly, if you get an offensive rebound, you have prevented the other team from getting the defensive stop on the missed shot. It’s very, very important, yet fans tend to look at high scorers and are largely blind to the other half of the game — even among those players that they watch all the time (and claim people who don’t can’t possibly say anything about without watching them all the time).
I realize that people who claim that you need to see someone regularly to really know don’t like to hear this, and they probably won’t ever be convinced. They’re thrilled with the beauty contest or they live with hope, springing eternal that their scorers will somehow magically put it all together. Half of the game, and defense is half the game, is largely ignored by most fans, writers, voters for all star games and GMs when it comes time to awarding contracts. Perhaps someday more people will realize it, much the way that it’s not taken for granted that on base percentage is a critical aspect of baseball by many fans when a decade ago most didn’t pay the slightest bit of attention to it, but I suspect a minority will continue to go for the beauty contest aspect, claiming if you don’t see someone play every day, there’s no way you can possibly say anything about the player, a view that is utterly, utterly irrational.
The numbers suggest that Bargnani is not a terribly valuable player. The team results when he plays reinforce this. If you want to be wowed by stuff he does, fine, enjoy the dance contest. It won’t result in wins though. Really. It won’t.
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half of the game, and defense is half the game, is largely ignored by most fans, writers, voters for all star games and GMs when it comes time to awarding contracts.
When I was playing I tended to divide the game into offense, defense ,and rebounding as three equally important parts. If you think of rebounding as it’s own equal category you tend to be inspired to go after the ball more no matter who shot it.
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s how I think about it, too. Especially when evaluating a player, I tend to talk about those as three seperate subcategories – the players offensive skills, their defensive skills, and their rebounding ability.
by Missing Barry on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my but don’t you attract friends
fwiw, hated that we disagreed so often about him, but I’ll vouch for your Harrington, uh, appreciation and particularly his rebounding prowess
by hardcore on Aug 2, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ps.... HYPOCRITE ALERT!!!
This is the second time I’ve had to post this since it was deleted the first time so that JAE could spare himself some embarassment. You see, our friend Jae decided to poke fun at the Canadian education system because I typed “your” instead of “you’re”. It bothered him immensely that a Canadian made the grammatical error (accidently of coarse) that he had to bash a country. Well I decided to expose him for the hypocrite that he is then he in turn had my post deleted so I’ll criticize him again:
JAE WROTE: “Bargnani may have gotten what other bigs get. I’ve researched it considerable.”
Ok Mr. Grammar, did you research it ‘considerable’? HMMM… Or did you research it ‘considerably’ ??? Think about it hypocrite. Don’t start the fire if you can’t take the heat. Don’t dish out your nonsense remarks which reveal this snarky “i’m-smarter-than-you” attitude if you can’t take it yourself hypocrite.
by ColtKing on Aug 1, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no irony in a typo. There is irony in calling someone uneducated when in the same sentence making a silly mistake.
I did not erase the post to spare myself embarrassment. I erased it because I find allusions to Nazis to be distasteful in the highest degree.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only joke is the person who wrote this!
How did they let you on this site. I write some game recaps for the A’s and I get them deleted, you write pure garbage and it gets kept on the site.
Larry Riley just showed what he’s going to be for the Warriors as a GM he’s incompetent as they come. Belinelli for a washed up Devean George. George who has never been a starter in his career, who hasn’t played more than 70 games since 2005-2006.
Yeah, the biggest joke is Riley! He practically gaver the Raptors Belinell and the Warriors could have gotten a lot more for Belinelli.
Belinelli is going to show this year with more playing time his abilities. Last year, before he sprained his ankle he showed he could make tough shots, that he was improving defensively, and also improved his court vision.
With the Raptors expect him to be scoring double digits either coming off the bench or starting. Either way Riley’s incompetence has just been proven and as the author of the post your post makes you look incompetent as well!
by Rocky632 on Jul 31, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have said it better Rocky..
.. I’m going to say your post is spot on in my books!
by ColtKing on Aug 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Randolph
Just curious……..as to why Randolph wasn’t named summer league player of the league?
Blake Griffin? Randolphs numbers dwarfed his….. just shows how people perceive the warriors. Last year Morrow doesn’t get invited to the 3 pt shootout.
David Stern should wake up the Bay Area has the best fans in basketball with the worst owner management in sports…..when is the last time a Warrior has made the Allstar game.
We get no Respect!
by Borntowinn on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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