Something Else Is On The Horizon
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 AM PDT
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Okay to we traded Bellinelli for a nobody scrub and 1.8 million dollars, if nothing else happens then of course this is a failure, but look at it this way. Something else has to be imminent. The warriors now have a 3.2 million dollar cap exemption (Harrington/Crawford and now the Bellinelli trade) We also have 9.3 million dollars in expiring contracts(George, Law and Claxton) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine . That gives us unbelievable flexibility come October when we could package those three expiring contracts as well as the 3.2 million dollar exemption and make a trade no other NBA team can possibly make. Theoretically we could trade George, Law and Claxton for Elton Brand and Philadelphia would do that in a heart beat due to Brand's contract obligations. Add Brandon Wright to the mix and we could get Boozer from Utah. The possibilities are endless.
Here are more possibilites
George, Law, Claxton and Wright to Milwaukee for Michael Redd(yes they would do it to save cash for 2010)
George, Law, Claxton and Wright to Detroit for Richard Hamilton and Jason Maxiell (would save Detroit 16 million next off-season)
George, Law, Claxton and Wright to the Clippers for Baron Davis (they wouldn't even hesitate)
George, Law, Claxton and Wright to the Wizards for Caron Butler and Audrey Blatche (would save the Wizards 14 million next off-season)
George, Law, Claxton and Wright to the Bulls for John Salmons and Kirk Heinrich (would save the Bulls 16 million next off-season)
These would all work under NBA rules and you know as well as i do about lopsided deals when it comes to expiring contracts(See the Dale Davis and Speedy Claxton for Baron Davis deal)
we could also keep onto these expiring contracts and even the trade exemptions and have about 27 Million to spend next off-season. I believe we will make a push for one of these deals in October, due to NBA rules we can't do anything right now with these players.
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great point, i was thinking the same about the trade
Logic says this trade is not just a swap of players, it is the first chess move to try and position the team to get another higher profile player(s). Marco WAS going to be traded anyway, but I do think that Marco in a package deal would help that package look even more tempting to other teams if the warriors were going at that angle……,but we just got to see.
Also, I didn’t even know Devon George still played, or is he just a name on the Raptors (now Warriors) books.
When can we start combining all of these expiring contracts in a trade?
I’m not actually replying to this comment but i felt it was an important question so i wanted it up high
Also David Lee could be added to this list of possibilities because we all know how much the Knicks covet expiring contracts, and he’d be beef.
This is our year
by DaymanCometh on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Redd, Rip, BD, Salmons, Hinrich: I’d rather have Wright than any of the above. All are varying degrees of overrated (except Salmons), and all would take minutes from young players who will likely soon be better than them.
Caron Butler would be a nice upgrade at 3. Maybe not quite as nice as Gerald Wallace or AK-47, but in that realm. Upgrading starting SF using some combo of Wright, Maggs, Kelenna and our expirings seems like a wise direction to be headed right now.
Monta
Jack
upgraded SF (Kirilenko, Butler, or Wallace)
Randolph
Biedrins
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Curry, Turiaf, Morrow, Kelenna, beefy backup PF (Gooden?)
There will be no extra point!
I like Kirilenko as much as the next guy,
I just don’t see Utah trading him for BW, KA, and CM. I would take either Salmons, or the Rip/Maxwell swap, but I doubt their teams would agree to those trades.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the same team that let a 10M expire go unused that were talking about right?
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jul 30, 2009 7:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well yeah u have a great point
Hopefully they really do something. We alll get our hopes year after YEAR!! and nothing happens!! So I’ll be hopefully again this is for something bigger. Year after year I keep the FAITH!!
this fanpost
needs to suggest a PF in a trade. Not one of the players mentioned above is on our radar.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like
“here take 3 of our scrubs and a probable bust of a prospect for your stars!”
i dont think that saving money would be enough to make these deals, plus they are players that would only stack our ridiculous depth chart issues even more.
Logic?
Let me be the first to burst your balloon, these guys don’t have a plan, they can;t think that far ahead for one thing:
We thought they had a plan when thery traded away JRich.
We thought they had a plan when they let Baron go
We thought they had a plan when they dumped Crawfish
GET THIS STRAIGHT, MORONS DON’T HAVE ENOUGH BRAINS TO HAVE A PLAN.
GET THIS STRAIGHT, MORONS DON’T HAVE ENOUGH BRAINS TO HAVE A PLAN.
Maybe the plan is to make it take longer for nellie to get his wins so he can suck more salary out of the organization?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
there are plans and there are plans
good plans
bad plans
nocal81‘s basic point holds: these off-season moves could be part of a purposeful plan to restructure the roster while stockpiling expirings to be subsequently used for a major upgrade (at any position – we don’t have any position “locked up” with a player we couldn’t improve upon imo)
the reason to make this trade is to avoid picking up Marco’s option in order to have his expiring and to do so for FREE as Tor is paying George AND Marco this season … this is kind of a no brainer if there’s a plan in place to use these expirings
fwiw, whether we use the cap room via trade now, FA later, or to extend players like Randolph we weren’t going to extend MB and now aren’t paying for him (or his replacement) either. We basically sold him to Tor.
whether this plan turns out to be good or bad depends upon what we do with the fruits of these moves, my fear is that qin is right above:
This is the same team that let a 10M expire go unused that were talking about right?
In all fairness I do think that the 10M expired because the Baron deal fell through the day before and us being the Warriors did not have a backup plan in case he bolted.
I’m not making excuses, that was a bad few days no matter how you look at it (even for us). I’m just saying there were other factors involved.
So what’s really scary is if the FO DOES have a plan in motion now and it falls through, will they be floundering yet again, or are there other moves that there thinking about?
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
hmm, you’ve now confused me, we might be talking about different $10M -
I’d thought you were talking about the TPE that resulted from trading away JRich, and that GSW didn’t use during the 48-win/non-playoff year but that wasn’t related to Baron … once Baron left, we had a window of opportunity to use cap space (on Maggette) prior to losing it once we re-signed our RFAs Monta & Andris …
… as for having plans that go awry, meh – happens to the best of teams as well as the worst (hopefully some one of our plans comes to fruition!). The potential of possibly snagging KG might not have been worth trading JRich to some (not to mention the need to resign Monta and Andris as it turns out) but if you don’t swing you don’t hit the ball. … If we’re accumulating expirings with the plan of using them now but that plan falls through, then we’ve cleared room for next summer so either way we can come out ahead … immediate gratification is always more fun, but positioning to win the next round can be even more important sometimes. I don’t know of any moves on the horizon, but can imagine many – whether as a third party in other teams’ deal, or in deals of our own construction. I wouldn’t be surprised if Maggette weren’t moved either, as that would fit the pattern of the summer.
now my turn to come clean, I’m just happy that soon we’ll be able to talk about something on this site other than Marco not getting his chance, how great he’d be as a PG, why he’s not starting, etc.
If I recall, the TPE expired the day after Baron left. I always thought it was like him thumbing his nose at us on the way out the door.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
It's a different rule
When dealing with draft picks. I am under the belief that Charlotte had the 10 million+ in cap room to acquire J-Rich, and when we traded him for the pick(Brandon Wright) we were then free to use that exception on what we would like. It’s not the same restrictions in terms of a TPE that we received in regards to Harrington and Crawford. I will attempt to prove a link stating so. Either way that is the past!
I am pretty confident that Wright, Law, Claxton and George will all be packaged for a proven big man before training camp breaks. If not then yes we would have about 17 million+ to spend next off-season depending on the cap.
Now the question is would we rather use the money this season with limited options via trade. Or do we save the money for the free agent frenzy and see how our young players such as Ellis, Curry, Randolph and Morrow pan out getting playing time over a full season
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I am under the belief that Charlotte had the 10 million+ in cap room to acquire J-Rich, and when we traded him for the pick(Brandon Wright) we were then free to use that exception on what we would like.
This is false. We could only use it to aquire players making less than 10mil in trade. It could not be combined with another player or exception to obtain players making more than $10mil. We could have sent out other players in a deal, but we would still be limited by the $10mil in salary to any single player when using it. It could not be used to sign free agents.
NBA Rules!
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q21
Link to NBA Salary Cap rules and regulations.
Question 68 doesn’t apply to the Warriors if i am not mistaken because they were seperate deals regarding the TPE. Collective Bargaining agreement allows teams to combine TPE’s if the single exemptions are below veteran minimum pay Q32-37?? NBA minimum for veterans is 1.5 million for 2009-2010 so i am not sure if the George deal would be included.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well we are not NBA executives, so let them figure out these incredibly complicated rules regarding TPE etc…. I do know that the Warriors could use the 1.8 million dolar exemption a long with Law, Claxton, George and Wright to acquire a player or package that makes up to 18 milloin dollars. So that’s good enough. Then YES we could include the other two exemptions and acquire a player that makes about 2 million.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Baron was offered a deal
The clips gave him a larger one. He went with money.
Crawfish was because TMNT wanted out. Not a plan.
fwiw Rowell scuttled Mullin’s offer to extend Baron who then opted out, and Nelson was the one who lit the match to the Harrington kindling that had been building over the previous year – Harrington didn’t suddenly demand a trade – all that drama, and desperately taking on Crawford, was Don’s doing.
And would you rather have Harrington/Crawford or the valuable expiring contracts of Law and Claxton. I will go for the ladder any day!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I was pissed about the Harrington trade, still am – you don’t trade big for small particularly when the small has a worse contract and the talent differential is marginal either way. I would rather have had Harrington, and that put me in a pretty small minority then, and now. I’m also in the minority for blaming Nelson more than Al for what transpired. Anyway, Harrington’s contract would have given HIM the option and he most surely would have opted out this summer as the FA class was pretty thin and he wanted out, thus clearing cap space. And in the unlikely case he didn’t opt out, he’d’ve been an expiring now for us so either way I’d’ve preferred hanging on to him.
this next little tidbit has me skeptical anew over the Marco trade, and I really dont want to mention it because ForestGrump is still fuming and steam is still coming out of so many posters’ ears, but in the spirit of full disclosure:
The cash considerations are that the Raptors will pick up most of George’s contract, worth $1.6 million in 2009-10.
now, if that means Tor’s paying $1.5m of the 1.6, no sweat, but if it’s only kicking in $850k we didn’t do as well obviously.
It was never clear why tmnt/nellie didn't work out
Of course it was TMNT who played horrible for us last season and then had a fake injury.
Of course we all know nellie planed it so that AR can break out.
Go for the ladder? Why? Take the stairs, instead.
by Naticus on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I blame the Harrington situation on both Fegan and Nelson equally.
Fegan over-hypes his clients and Nelson can be brutally honest with his opinions.
I am REALLY glad we didn’t get Rubio.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
Move on the horizon, I got one for you
Resigning CJ Watson to a 3 year 5 million contract with the last year as a player option.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions
is CJ supposed to be better than Marco?
not supposed to be…IS better
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would not want RIP in the detroit deal.
That would just be more guards and more logjam, I am fine with just Maxiell in that deal. Alot of these deals have logjam all over it.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
Ditto that Dubz....
I would not mind Maxiel in our enforcer role!
by SmittytheCutman on Jul 30, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course then we would have to move Maggette and/or Azabuke
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No we wouldn't
Maxiell does not need 20+ minutes a game like Buike and Maggs do, he would fit in just fine. And as for RIP, he does not like coming off the bench so him here would not work and I think I would rather have Jackson over RIP. We have enough shooters and guards.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
Why no Rip?
You could slot him in at the three, move AR to the four and have Maxiell back him up to add rebounding and physical play off the bench
Ellis
Jackson
Beidrins
Randolph
Hamilton
Azabuke
Morrow
Maggette
Maxiell
Turiaf
Curry
Pretty solid club
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
First off, Chris Mullin mad the Richardson trade, not Larry Riley. Secondly. Mullin had the full go ahead to use that 10 million but decided against it.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
It is well know that Mullin decided not to use that 10 million because he wanted to leave the options open for a mid season deal. Smart or not that was what he was looking to do. And Mullin was the GM at the time, not Riley
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
well known, or not – the FO never commented on the expiration of the TPE to my knowledge, if you have a link that’s easy to provide I’d be interested (not asking you to do a bunch of research for me).
I still hope Mullin has a tell-all interview or book someday, would love to hear it from the horse’s mouth
I think they thought they’d get an Anthony Randolph in Wright. However, they underestimated how physically weak Wright is for an NBA player. If they had been right, that would’ve been worth it. It was risky and cheap. I don’t think it was a terrible idea, personally. I liked J-Rich, but he was not nearly as valuable as a potential all-star PF. Our starting PF at the time was Harrington.
i would have taken your post seriously
if you didn’t butcher people’s names so badly.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 30, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions
Hate to ruin the party
But you can’t combine TPE’s to trade for anything; not with other TPE’s, not with expiring contracts, not with other players.
Not only that, but I don’t believe we’re getting a TPE from the Belinelli-George swap. It was just a plain player swap, with cash thrown in on the side, which doesn’t affect our salary cap whatsoever.
"We Deserve"
To say it has no impact on the salary cap is just wrong
If someone gives me $1.6 Million it allows me to go over the cap by $1.6M without me feeling any pain financially. I simply pay the salary cap penalty with the free money. So it does effect the cap and my ability to go over it without feeling the financial pain.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 30, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re confusing the salary cap with the luxury tax.
You can read up on it here: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Once again, the cash that Toronto sent to us in that deal has absolutely nothing to do with our salary cap figure. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
Chris Cohan can use that $1.6mil and go buy a nice yacht with it. Or 3.2 million tacos from Jack n the Box. But it has nothing to do with our salary cap situation.
"We Deserve"
Assuming you are correct. We still do have the expiring contracts of Claxton, Law, George and Wright which equals about 13 million. Still enough to make one of the deals listed
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Or 3.2 million tacos from Jack n the Box
Only if he didn’t pay the tax on them. Otherwise, it’s closer to 2,958,648 tacos.
Of course, apparently Cohan has had some issues regarding paying taxes, so perhaps he’d try to walk out with $3.2mil.
Those deals were just examples. I wouldn’t even consider taking on Elton Brand’s contract, it was just to show you what we could do. You have to consider the fact that in order to trade these expiring contracts for a talent we would have to assume 10-15 Million in salaries for the 2010-2011 season and that’s not possible with Staudamire, Boozer or Bosh because they are all FA next offseason
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
The exemptions can be used in a package deal, i don’t understand your belief that it doesn’t. The cash wouldn’t exactly change hands but it would allow the Warriors to make the deal without the 125 percent rule
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions
Not true.
If we want to package all of our expiring contracts and then throw in the $1.6mil as cash to another team, then yeah we can do that. But if we’re holding an 800k TPE and a 500K TPE, the “best” we can do is trade separately for an 800k salary and a 500k salary, not a $1.3mil salary.
"We Deserve"
put up the beasley trade...
i herd this long time ago.. beasley is a good replacement for the old maggette and also we get dorell wirght who is another star unproven and we all know james jones who gets hot from downtown….Him and morrow should get a three point contest
PIMP ITS ALL ON A B**** N***** - MAC DRE
How long...
is Dorrell Wright going to be given a pass? I’ve been hearing about him being a potential star for a long time now. How many years does he need?
by SmittytheCutman on Jul 30, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point,
I’d rather have Wright than Brand. Wright fits this team better and I don’t think we’ve seen his best yet. Let him come off the bench behind AR. Those two should have some serious battles in practice. I think Wright should be given this year at least to see what he’s about.
by SmittytheCutman on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
i like the idea
but i dont no if we could get a star like the ones u mentioned, be i think we could definitley get an upgrade.
Just remember we acquired Baron Davis for Dale Davis and Speedy Claxton because Davis had a long term contract and the other two had expiring deals. Many teams are looking to unload “bad”/“long term” contracts and that’s where having expiring deals like Claxton, Law, George and Wright are beneficial to us.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions
Some other contracts teams may be willing to unload
Bobcats: Gerald Wallace (3years-28.5million) Boris Diaw (2years-18million)
Hawks: Josh Smith (4years-43million)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions
Before we take Josh Smith. Let’s see how AR does at the 4 and if he can possibly transition to the 3. If we got JSmooth, what would happen to AR?
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Some other contracts teams may be willing to unload
Any Boom quality guards on that list?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions
Boom quality guards? You talking a PG or SG?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Quite obvious,
He’s talking about a PG. And no, there probably aren’t any over weight, lazy PGs that are more worried about producing movies than winning games…
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Won’t let me respond to your point. But i did say that “assuming” you are right regarding the PTE, then we still do have enough in expiring contracts to acquire a high paid, high value player
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions
Guards on the list we could get
G- Kevin Martin Sacramento (4year-40million)
G- Bino Udrih Sacramento (3year-18million)
G- JR Smith Denver (2year-12million)
G- Devin Harris New Jersey (4year-34million)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions
devin harris is almost untouchable
nets plan to build around him
i would LOVE to see him in a warriors jersey tho
Guards on the list we could get
none of those compare to Boom in his prime
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Devin Harris at age 25 just put up a season pretty comparable to Baron’s career-best seasons (much better TS%, slightly worse reb and asst #s).
KMart may be better than prime-BD, too, though it’s kind of hard to compare a SG and PG. BD’s floor general skills would have to make up a deficit in TS% of roughly 100 points (KMart career .605, BD .502; KMart career-high .618, BD .530).
More importantly, both Harris and KMart are smack at the beginning of their prime years, while BD at age 30 appears to be approaching toast.
Er, what was your point again, Skep? ;-P
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 31, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions
what was your point again,
that we should gone for it when we had Boom. Kept Jason and got Garnett instead of worrying about how to pay moped.
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
When you build a team
You keep the parts that are working and replace the others
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I like J Rich as a player, but where would he fit in with this team? Absolutely no spot for him. That said we could have gotten a lot more the that pick (Brandon Wright) for him
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 1, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
what if one part is so expensive that its gonna keep you from being able to keep two younger and better parts?
Thing A
Jason Richardsons contract when we traded him. 4years-54million!
His statistics that season: 16ppg-5rpg-3apg
Monte Ellis Statistics remaining contract (5years-55million)
2007-2008 (when he was healthy)
20.2ppg-4.9rpg-3.7apg-2.1pg-.541 fg%
Oh and Richardson is 28 and Ellis 23!!
So who would you rather have?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus we would have had to trade Stephen Jackson due to the salary cap!
So Stephan Jackson and Monte Ellis or Jason Richardson?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
you provide a compelling comparison between Monta and JRich
However, we didn’t need to make that trade at that time to keep Monta – we had time to keep JRich before re-signing Monta (& Andris for that matter). To argue so is to ignore the context of the trade (trade talks with Minn over KG) and insert retroactively a rationale that AFAIK was not uttered by Mullin nor any other member of the FO at the time of the trade.
What Mullin did say was that the TPE provided the flexibility to add a player.
So what should have really rubbed fans raw was the lack of utilizing the TPE as we were trying to make the playoffs – players like Kurt Thomas were out there to be had who would have provided inside depth yet not tied us down long term. Thomas eventually went to SA, his is but only one example.
As far as re-signing our RFAs, & keeping Jackson, we could have made any number of deals that would have allowed us to keep Monta & Andris. We could have moved Harrington, for example. In fact, as it turned out because of Baron’s departure not only did we retain them and Jax, we added Maggette – AND extended Jackson. So, it’s not as simple as keeping JRich = lose Monta + Jackson. It does have a whole lot to do with timing, but keeping JRich would not have ensured losing Monta or anyone else for that matter (other than Wright of course).
Fans can stomach tough trades when the long term benefits can be probable even if not realized, but it’s the absolute lack of action with an opportunity like the JRich TPE, when chances are squandered to make the playoffs, that chafes fans and cuts into the franchise’s credibility with me in particular. Rather than get a viable big, we tried to pull CWeb back from mothballs on the cheap. Fortunately Andris didn’t get all bent out of shape about the second-coming, but it didn’t take long to realize that bargain basement solutions weren’t the way to the playoffs. That moment called for a FO that had the ability and $ to obtain a Kurt Thomas type player, and pay one year for a more realistic shot at the playoffs.
Nice Post
I didn’t consider all the variables. But it would have been harder to keep our you corp together, thats what i should have said. Also at that time we probably had it in our head that Baron Davis would be with us for a while so Monte would have been playing the two, with Stephan Jackson playing the 3. So J Rich, who i really think is an outstanding NBA player would have been a real talented yet disgruntled 6th man. Also i don’t have a major issue with the J Rich trade except to say that we could have drafted Thadeus Young, Joakim Noah or Al Thornton instead of Brandon Wright, or trade J Rich for an established NBA player in order to have contended that season.
It seem this organization acts foolhardy in terms of always looking to the future, instead of the right now. This season for example, we can easily trade these expiring contracts along with Brandon Wright for an established Forward, i still think we will, but with this organization you never know. I can easily see them holding on to these valuable expiring contracts and “prey” that one of the top free agents next season somehow want to come to Golden State. I think it’s a no brainer to trade these contracts a long with Wright and maybe even Morrow or Azabuke or even Curry and get a star player to go along with our pretty solid corp of Ellis, Randolph, Jackson and Beidrins. Just imagine adding a Boozer, Josh Smith, Richard Hamilton or Caron Butler to this team.
Ellis
Jackson
Beidrins
Boozer or Smith
Randolph
Or
Ellis
Jackson
Beidrins
Randolph
Butler or Hamilton
As it is Charlotte was looking to unload the contract of Omeka Okafor, we could have easily agree, verbally, to a deal with Charlotte for Okafor giving up our expiring contracts and nothing more. They don’t even want Tyson Chandler, he just matched what they were looking for in terms of a expiring contract
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 1, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
However, we didn’t need to make that trade at that time to keep Monta – we had time to keep JRich before re-signing Monta (& Andris for that matter).
I don’t believe that this is true. To get rid of his salary in time to sign Monta and Andris and avoid the tax, we had to trade him either for a contract that would expire at the end of the season or trade him to a team with enough cap space to absorb his contract without sending us back salary. There weren’t a whole lot of teams with cap room and there was no guarantee that we’d have found one in the next off season prior to needing to get Monta and Andris under new contracts. Certainly in the season no one had the space to take him without sending back salary before the trade deadline. Would we have gotten a better deal than a Wright quality prospect coupled with an expiring contract at the deadline?
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
no guarantee
no doubt, no guarantee – that’s precisely my point (I just take the other side of the coin) unlikely? perhaps, but there was time to work a different deal – like your favorite, Al Harrington ;=] … my biggest gripes (at the moment) are 1. when scenarios are painted in black and white when a whole ‘nuther season passes between possible transactions (we “had” to trade JR to keep our RFAs just isn’t that plausible that far apart) and 2. evaluating previous decisions out of context. There’s another few on the litany but we’ve had enough litany for a while …
I would much rather have traded away Harrington than Richardson, but I still do not know that having Richardson would have made a difference to the 48 win team. If he took minutes from Monta, it’s unlikely we would have been better. If he took minutes from Barnes or Pietrus, it’s possible.
We had to trade someone to keep our RFAs without going into tax space. That part is true. Richardson was the highest paid of the lot, and the least bang for the buck in future earnings.
I don’t have a problem trading him when they did as waiting too long is usually worse than trading too early. The opportunity was there to play the cards. Your hand can get worse if you wait for the river. Sometimes you have to bet on the flop.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
bet on the flop
there are so many ways to play that I can’t decide on one … that the hand we played netted us a tarheel wouldn’t be coloring your vision at all would it? ;=] speaking of former heels, did you notice that Hans has joined the lengthy list of wounded pacers?
I don’t have a problem trading him when they did as waiting too long is usually worse than trading too early.
We were building momentum from the Blossoming of Jason, the Boom trade, the Jax trade, the We Believe movement, and the 2 nd round of the playoffs then suddenly they got off track by worrying about the rookies two years away? We could been to the finals before the rookies needed a new contract, we might not even have wanted the rookies in two years? Heck, Montay coulda killed himself by then:>)
Fans don’t like being jerked around like that and I don’t think good players appreciate it either, they see what the team really thinks about them as people and how little management’s word means when it really gets down to keeping it? Remember Hibachi said he wanted to stay here but Cohan wouldn’t shake his hand on it, guess Gilbert was lucky he din’t?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And Now Would You Really Want Arenas??
And his 5year-92Million dollar contract? He has missed 149 of a possible 164 games over the last two seasons while earning 32.5 million dollars over that span.
Thats an average of 2.1 million per game LOL so i would say atleast in this we should be happy Coham didn’t shake on it
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 1, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
And!
Look what happened to the Wizards who put all there blocks on Arenas! Went from 43 wins down to 19! The point is what may seem like a complete mess up at the time could actually turn out to be a positive
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 1, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
what may seem like a complete mess up at the time could actually turn out to be a positive
we can’t always rely on dumb luck to bail us out. It’s not about how these things actually turned out it’s about the decision making process. The goal has to be clear not muddled and the integrity has to be above reproach.
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I Said That Time
I am not going to pretend that Cohen isn’t one of the worse owners in all of professional sports, because he is. He actually may take the mantle as the worse owner since Jeb York no longer runs the 49ers. I was just pointing out that Arenas now has one of the worse contracts in the NBA and is pretty much untradeable. Now it’s not like Cohen has ESP and saw this happening to Arenas, it was just pure luck. But someone said that Arenas was lucky Cohen didn’t shake on that deal, i would add that the Warriors are actually lucky he didn’t shake on it too
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not “Cohen”, but “Cohan”. I correct this only to be fair anyone named Cohen out there, who should not have to suffer any association to the regrettable Warriors owner.
(Also for what it’s worth Jed York is the 49ers team president/ (managing owner of the partnership). John York is the one who is no longer in charge.
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
some nice ideas
i c what ur saying and i hope the front office is thinking along the same lines as you
however, i think the hamilton trade favors the warriors
and i don’t rly wanna see baron, or get hinrich
the redd and butler trades r intriguing but we’ve got guys playing both those positions
I would do a deal like this.
Warriors acquire G- Baron Davis from the Clippers and F- Michael Beasley and F- James Jones from the Heat
Clippers acquire: G- Dorrell Wright from the Heat and G- Speedy Claxton and F- Kelenna Azabuke from the Warriors
Heat Acquire: F- Corey Maggette, G- Acie Law and F- Deveon George from the Warriors and G- Mike Taylor from the Clippers
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 1, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
To respond to the list of available players
There is no way we are getting Kevin Martin, Devin Harris, or JR Smith for expired contracts. Why don’t you add Kevin Durant or Rajon Rondo for that list? People are not going to give away good players for expiring contracts. They have to have awful contracts or bad players to be given away. Well, unless you are dealing with Chris Wallace, but the Gasol trade was an uncommon occurrence.
Yes, Beno Udrih could be a warrior for expiring contracts, but then we would have Beno Udrih on our team for $6 million a year and why would you do that.
There is no way we are getting Kevin Martin, Devin Harris, or JR Smith for expired contracts.
Haha, Harris definitely not, he’d be afraid the ghost of Jrich was gonna show up and pimpslap him around again.
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW
We don’t need Redd for what he would cost and they are not giving us Caron Butler either given the Wizards are in win now mode. Also important to remember that the cap is moving backwards next year so there is less space than you think.
Bino Udrih for 6 million a year, or Speedy Claxton for 5.8 million? Baron Davis was dealt to us for expiring contracts, did you forget that?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions
List Of Recent Trades Involving Expiring Contracts
Oklahoma City traded Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox to New Orleans for Tyson Chandler and the rights to DeVon Hardin. (March 5) trade was later rescinded to due Chandler’s health
Detroit acquires Allen Iverson from Denver in exchange for Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess and Cheikh Sam (February 3)
San Antonio traded forwards Bruce Bowen and Kurt Thomas and center Fabricio Oberto to Milwaukee for forward Richard Jefferson. (May 4)
Minnesota traded guards Randy Foye and Mike Miller to Washington for the 2009 No. 5 draft pick, forwards Etan Thomas, Darius SongailaOleksiy Pecherov.
New Jersey traded guard Vince Carter and forward Ryan Anderson to Orlando for guards Rafer Alston and Courtney Lee and center Tony Battie.
These were just a few examples.
So Tyson Chandler, Chauncey Billups, Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter, Mike Miller and Randy Foye aren’t good players?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
These Deals Do Work!!!
The Nets would part with Harris if we took Eduardo Najara’s and Keyon Dooling’s contract and threw in Brandon Wright to go along with the expiring contracts. This would save the Nets 16 million heading into next off-season. They may actually ask for Stephen Curry instead of Brandon Wright and i would do that deal. Claxton, Law, George and Curry for Harris, Dooling and Najara. That wouldn’t make sense for both teams.
Warriors
G- Devin Harris
G- Monte Ellis
C- Andris Beidrins
F- Anthony Randolph
F- Stephen Jackson
Nets would have a back court of Stephen Curry and Courtney Lee! And would have a lot of cap room next off-season!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions
+1
I’m all for that trade. Hell, throw in Morrow if need be. Just get this trade done!!!
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
If we can make that deal and also get the beef we need, definitely. We’d definitely need another big to help at PF in this scenario.
Holy crap. I was messing with the trade machine… Devin Harris serious gives us wins. I think the Nets would have to be very desperate to save money to make that trade. Still, if we gave them Curry, Wright and exprings, that’s some young talent and some serious money saved. They might consider it. We’d probably have to throw in something else, too. I’d throw in Morrow. Jack, ‘buike and Ellis can cover the 2 with no problem at all. Ellis would play backup 1 as well, along with C.J. We’d be a playoff team for many years to come with that trade.
There is no way we include Morrow in that deal. We would be giving up Curry plus we would be taking in over 8 million in bad contracts while providing them with 11 million in expiring contracts. We are working out of a position of strength right now, no need to give in to other teams excessive demands.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
The nets were talking to teams about Devin Harris at the trade deadline last season, he is not untouchable. As witnessed with the Vince Carter deal the nets are looking to shed money off their roster before the 2010 off-season in order to make a huge splash. They don’t expect to contend this season at all. I still don’t think it would take Morrow to get the deal done. The cap relief we provide them with this trade is the equivelant of sending them a young player with potential. They want to be in on the Bosh, James, Wade, Boozer, Staudamire sweepstakes next year and this trade will provide them with that option
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions
Summer of 2010 Free Agents
This is why we can get a lot in return for these expiring contracts. Top 2010 NBA free agents
include, in no perticular order.
Joe Johnson, Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, Amare Staudamire, Carlos Boozer, Dwayne Wade, Tyson Chandler, Brandon Roye and Lamarcus Aldridge. Just to name a few. By far the best free agent class in NBA history. The question does remain. Do we keep the expiring contracts and pray to the heavens one of these players want to come here as a free agent?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions
+1
The only one I don’t like is the Michael Redd trade because of all the guards we would have, and he is another scorer and we have plenty
Yeah i am not a big fan of Michael Redd! It was just another option! Another option is including Brandon Wright in a deal for the Knicks RFA David Lee. Send two of the expiring contracts a long with Wright to the Knicks for Lee. They cannot afford to keep Lee, would get a young player in Brandon Wright and free up some cap in 2010.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions
Some good ideas
If we can manage to turn all that dead weight for a quality player like Rip or Caron id pull the trigger easy. No doubt we need to up our sg/sf position(depending on were jackson will play).
These should be used in a sign and trade for David Lee.
David lee is by far the best fit for our team now, and I say we go for him with a sign and trade(using a third team if needed). Either that or give him an offer. Since the knicks aren’t wanting to offer him 8-9 mil a year, we should swoop. Also we should have money to keep randolph as well as keep cohan happy.
I agree that we should package our expiring guards (we need a 2 for 1 or 3 for deal right now) but remember that B Wright is our fourth big right now. We really can’t afford to give him up unless it is for a big, otherwise Devean George will be our 4th big.
Anyone know what the most we could offer David Lee is right now? And is it possible to do a deal where we give him the most money next year?
We don’t need another guard. I like our guards. Only reason to get another guard would be if he was bomb and taking a huge paycut.
We do need a PG if that avenue does open up at some point. Baron Davis is available and we wouldn’t have to give up anything of signifigence to acquire him, just Maggette and one or two expiring contracts. We absolutely have no need for Corey Maggette. Considering we have a logjam at the 2, 3 and 4 positions. Jackson, Morrow, Azabuke and Randolph all player those positions! Randolph is a true 3, so i would favor getting a 4 instead but if the avenues did open up to acquire a good PG we could actually play Randolph out of position at the 4 this season.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
filling needs
loved Baron, but imo we don’t need his contract + broken down body now – even for Maggette
also we realistically don’t have a log-jam at guard any more:
Ellis/Curry – Crawford gone, CJ TBA
Jax/Morrow – Marco gone
KAz/Maggette or visa versa
am not counting Law of Claxton because they are not here to play, presumably, but as contracts to use in a deal for a big, or allowed expire
am not counting AR because he has yet to even solidify himself as the starting 4, and on our team we need him there more than SF … others would say he hasn’t shown any ability to play 3 whatsoever, but I’d not go that far
Maggette serves multiple uses – he is the big contract we can package in a deal that also has some value, he can be a veteran scorer off the bench with our young second unit, he can start at either wing if needed. So Maggette’s versatility, experience, and scoring ability do fill a need.
Anyone know what the most we could offer David Lee is right now? And is it possible to do a deal where we give him the most money next year?
We can offer the MLE, nothing more. It is not possible to backload deals in the NBA. Raises to an incoming free agent can be at most 8% of the first year salary. Promises to renegotiate the contract to get around this, written or otherwise, are forbidden, and the league has been rather harsh when they find out about them.
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure teams are allowed to backload deals, but the average of the deal can be no larger than the MLE.
Thing C
I’m pretty sure teams are allowed to backload deals, but the average of the deal can be no larger than the MLE.
No. The CBA is very, very clear about backloaded contracts (verboten) and the maximum raises (for one’s own FA 10.5% of the initial contract year; for an incoming free agent, it’s 8%). Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ spells it out in much easier terms than the actual CBA (which I’ve checked just to be sure, and is considered accurate enough that for a while the NBA actually linked to his FAQ for explanations).
The exception is when a team is making an offer to a free agent and has the actual cap space to sign the player for more money, not a cap exception. It can be ‘backloaded’ but only if the team could have signed him to a legal contract that would have inflated via the allowable raises to the ‘backloaded’ amount. In practice this never, ever, ever occurs, though it’s the lone way that a team with an Arenas provision FA could lose a player to another team by not being able to match a deal starting at MLE amount, but escalating in year 3 to well beyond that. This has never happened though as it essentially puts a block on your cap space for two years.
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t implying that you would use the Mid-Level Exception to sign a player to a contract which was backloaded, just that the average would be the same amount as the MLE (average salary).
It turns out my memory was faulty, what the FAQ says is that the first two years can be average salary (allowing the current team to match with their MLE), then you can have max salaries thereafter (which the team would be able to match using their Bird rights). And yes, the team offering this deal has to be able to fit the average salary under their cap at year 1. But it also says a team could offer a restricted free agent such a deal—even a 2nd round draft pick who qualifies under the Arenas rule.
Thing C
The only way to acquire Lee via a sign and trade would be to use an exception and add Turiaf and Wright to the deal, and i am not sure that would work under the CBA. Someone help me with that! Also unless we get a 3rd teak involved i doubt the Knicks would want to take on Turiaf and his contract considering they are positioning themselves for next seasons FA class. I just see Lee as another Troy Murphy, solid but not really worth 10MM. Correct me if i am wrong!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
It would not. You can only use trade exceptions to acquire players worth less than the value of the exception, and they cannot be combined.
Furthermore, any sign-and-trade scenario involving Lee would almost certainly put him into Base Year Compensation status, meaning trading him is extremely difficult unless the team acquiring him is under the salary cap.
Thing C
Word on the street is that David Lee is not a versatile scorer. He can finish around the basket, if you can free him up to do so. So he’s not going to score nearly as well as Murphy. Murphy’s scoring and rebounding nearly makes up for his deficiency on defense. Also, Lee, like Murphy, is not a good defender.
dubs need a true pg someone of BDs caliper…when he left and monte f*cked up it was the end of 08 09 season before it even started..i really dont want to see Jax point forward this season because he commited more turnovers than assists last season..dubs need to make a trade and if they dont, i really “WONT BELIEVE” but im faithful to my team even if they do suck..im tired of watchin season after season of getting rid of really good players for a bag of skittles and starbursts. Dubs waste good talent for nothing in return. Dubs need a new coach and new owners for this sh*t to turn around. If this doesnt happen then nobody should renew their season tickets this year!!!!!
DUBfan4life!!!!
That’s why i say we go after Baron Davis, we wouldn’t have to give up much at all. Maybe just Corey Maggette and an expiring contract. The Clippers don’t want Davis!!!!!!
That would also leave our options open later in the off-season to acquire a PF such as Boozer, Beasley etc…. We would then have Wright, Azabuke and a couple other expiring contracts to dangle.
It’s not out of the question for us to be able to acquire both Baron Davis and Michael Beasley, we have the chips to do so. I am tired of looking ahead to the future. We have the talent right now that if we add veteran players to it we could be a lock for the playoffs
Just imagine
G- Baron Davis
G- Monte Ellis
C- Andris Beidrins
F- Carlos Boozer or Michael Beasley
F- Stephen Jackson
G- Stephen Curry
G- Anthony Morrow
F- Anthony Randolph
F- Ronnie Turiaf
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions
“The Clippers don’t want Davis!”
This doesn’t make you stop and think that maybe we shouldn’t want Davis, either? Between his age, injuries, baggage, and the fact that he was a terrible player last year, I don’t see why we would want Baron back…
by Missing Barry on Aug 2, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The Clippers are not a team in which i would follow suit in regards to judging talent and making player transactions!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would Beasley start at PF over Randolph? Heck, Why would he even start over Wright? He’s undersized, plays no defense, and is the weakest rebounder of the three players.
Further, if we’re taking a 4-year / $54 million dollar “go for it now” gamble that somehow Baron’s horrible last performance last year was a mirage, why would we then take our chances with a mediocre second-year PF like Michael freaking Beasley?
I dislike that proposed roster on so many levels, not least of which your misspelling of the names of our two highest-paid and longest-tenured players.
There will be no extra point!
OMG i miss spelled a couple of names! the Beasley posting was a mistake. I meant to have Randolph starting at the 4 and Beasley coming off the bench. What contract is worse? Baron Davis or Corey Maggette?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions
Baron – 4 years/$54M
Maggette – 4 years/~$40M
by Missing Barry on Aug 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
And baron isn't consistent
Maggs is at least consistent every year
So your looking at 3.4 million more per season for Davis. Plus we would be sending the Clippers expiring contracts to make up the difference, so they would have to provide us some incentives to get the deal done. Draft picks and/or proven veterans! Think about this deal http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Warriors get: Baron Davis, Mike Taylor and Ricky Davis
Clippers get: Corey Maggette, Acie Law and Deveon George
The link shows us sending Ronnie Turiaf simply because of the contract regulations in trading Law and George right now. But this deal would provide the Clippers with over 14 million in savings over the next 4 seasons, and they would get Baron Davis off the books and allow them to sign Ramon Sessions who they have been targeting because it frees up the PG spot. Good trade for both sides.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions
No
Warriors get: Baron Davis, Mike Taylor and Ricky Davis
Its not like there a load of guards on this team already.
If I don't like it, I don't like it, that don't mean that I'm hatin.
Don’t get me wrong i am not saying we jump all over this trade or other ones that i have posted on this thread. But one thing i for sure. With our current roster we are a 35-42 to win team, that’s average and not enough to get into the playoffs, especially in the Western Conference. But if we were to add a piece or two weather it be Baron Davis, Carlos Boozer, Caron Butler, Richard Hamilton/Jason Maxiell, Michael Beasley/Dorell Wright, etc.. then we become a possible 45-50 win team and that’s enough to make the playoffs if not be one of the top 6 seeds! It’s that simple
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions
It’s not really that simple. “Adding a piece or two” only gets you to 45-50 wins if the pieces are good and the pieces they’re replacing (or taking minutes from) are less good. If Baron plays like he did last year, he probably makes us worse. Rip, Maxiell, Beasley, Wright are all probably negligible factors in the 2-3-4 mix. Butler and Boozer would probably be pluses, but Boozer’s a one-year rental, and I’m not sure Butler’s available.
There will be no extra point!
What if we did
Maggs, Wright, Law/George/Claxton for Butler and Crittenton? Would any one else do that?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
Are you talking all three expiring contracts or just one? Because if your talking about all 3 well a couple things prevents that trade. #1 the salaries don’t match up because we would be sending the Wiwards 21 million in contracts and they would be sending us just over 13 million and #2 no way we give them 3 valuable expiring contracts and Brandon Wright for Butler. They would have to throw in Audry Blatche and/or Nick Young to get that deal done
Now if your talking about a deal like this
Warriors get: Caron Butler and Audrey Blatche
Wizards get: Brandon Wright and the three expiring contracts
Then yes we do the deal. Besides the Wizards wouldn’t want Maggette. They would want Wright and the expiring contracts. So it would be more like Brandon Wright for Audrey Blatche then Caron Butler for 3 exipiring contracts(Salary dump) No way they take on Maggs contract in this deal
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
No I just meant one or two of the contracts
I would like Blatche but I think that they would reject that deal. See what Wizards fans have to say.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
Maggette would have to be traded for another bad contract(see Baron Davis etc…) and Butler’s deal is actually cap friendly for his value (2y-19.4MD remaining)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why we throw in two expiring deals.
Law and George’s contracts work in this deal.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
So that is why i am throwing out these options. They can all be done, these players i have listed are not untouchable and many of them will be dealt before training camp. And we have the ability to get them done. It’s just up to our front office which to this day have been proven to be inept!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions
Hamilton and Maxiell coming to the Warriors instantly makes us better. I am not sure if Butler is available but with the logjam they have at the 2 and 3 positions someone has to be available and he makes the most $$. Again these are just options. My point is we need to get something done to contend right now. Not look to the future once again
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions
Hamilton really isn’t that effective without the whole offense centered around him coming off screens for 30 minutes a game. I don’t see him getting that kind of priority on our team, plus he’s not a good defender, plus he has a terrible contract.
I also heard that Hamilton is a damn good defensive player, kinda don’t know where you got the idea that he wasn’t . His contract isn’t good, that i understand. But it is a major upgrade from Maggette who we will find a take for even if he have to take on another bad contract. Maxiell is a perfect fit for the Warriors and we can slide him in at the backup 4 spot and give the guy 20 minutes a game. He is a really good defensive player as well.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions
I would do this in a heartbeat
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n86n3e
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
Yeah Okay
There is no way Philadelphia does that trade. AI is the face of that franchise and they believe they can contend this season. Why would they do that?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
Why question the iguodala trade?
I am sure that they are willing to trade Iguodala for expiring contracts and Magette, just like the Wizards are aching to trade one of their lynchpin players (Caron Butler) for expiring contracts. Or the Nets are aching to trade Devin Harris for expiring contracts. I am surprised no one has mentioned Kevin Durant, I am sure Oklahoma is just aching to give Durant up for expiring contracts. We got Baron from expirings because he was constantly injured and hated the coach, which is why he is once again available for expirings. Even Utah wants more than expirings for Boozer who they are eager to get rid of, which of course is a huge selling point for Boozer. We can probably get Baron, Elton Brand, and other players of that ilk that teams want to get rid of. If players are worthy of their contracts, then they are not available for expirings.
Or the Nets are aching to trade Devin Harris for expiring contracts. I am surprised no one has mentioned Kevin Durant, I am sure Oklahoma is just aching to give Durant up for expiring contracts
I hope your just being sarcastic.
If I don't like it, I don't like it, that don't mean that I'm hatin.
I am just making fun of people making completely ridiculous trades
Devin Harris and Caron Butler were actually mentioned for essentially expiring contracts. My feeling is if you are going to make deals for them and act like it is realistic, why not really get excited and propose trades for Rondo or Durant. Expirings only get you bad contracts or underperforming players, with a Chris Wallace exception.
Once again Chauncey Billups and Richard Jefferson are just a couple of all-star calbur players that were recently dealt for expiring contracts, so it’s not out of the norm for a deal like that to occur. And if you hadn’t noticed the Harris trade would require us most like giving up Stephen Curry and/or Brandon Wright!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 4, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
if you hadn’t noticed the Harris trade would require us most like giving up Stephen Curry and/or Brandon Wright!!!
I don’t know where you got that from but getting Devin Harris for Curr-bury and Broken wingspan would be a sweet move( too sweet for the Warriors f.o. to pull off I’m afraid?)
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 4, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Enough with the Baron Davis trades!!!! get over it he left and he ain’t coming back
Trains , planes, and automoblies,.... better have my donuts!!!!
My Plan
My plan would be to find out where we stand right now. We haven’t the slightest clue what our team will look like next season because last season none of them got a chance to play all together. When they are a cohesive unit, I think that we can make better decisions regarding who is really important to the team and who is obviously not going to cut it. We watch other players burn our team (players who shouldn’t burn our team) from every position randomly. This is something that needs to be addressed next season through the usage of stats. It is obvious that our offense works and that our issue is with our defense. Using this argument, you cannot say, statistically, that one player is better than another yet, not until the season starts and the team begins to play as strong as they can play as a unit.
I vote to stay the way things are now. If all else fails, win the lottery and draft John Wall!!!!!!
“If all else fails, win the lottery and draft John Wall!”
Agreed, but with less exclamation points.
by Missing Barry on Aug 4, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I Am Semi Opposed To That!
I think we need to get something signifigent done before the start of camp. But you are right we do have a little margin for error. We can play into January with this roster and see where we are at. At that point more players will become available and we will still have the 13 million dollars in expiring contracts which become more valuable in season,
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 4, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions
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