RUMOR: Warriors owner Chris Cohan "highly likely" to sell
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Tim Kawakami in Warriors big picture: Is Cohan getting ready to sell? over at Talking Points for the Mercury has what seems like a dream come through for long suffering Warriors fans:
Warriors owner Chris Cohan is believed to be seriously considering selling his 80% stake in the franchise in the next year or two, according to the sources. (He took control of the franchise in January 1995.)
In fact, one knowledgeable source said it’s "highly likely" that Cohan will sell most or all of his controlling interest in the team, possibly pulling back only if the current recession unexpectedly continues through 2011 and Cohan can’t get the price he wants.
The sources did not give specific reasons for Cohan’s potential sell-off, and all of them noted that Cohan has spoiled soon-to-sell speculation several times in the past.
But one source pointed to Cohan’s long-running battle with the IRS and another theorized that Cohan has wearied of the criticism he receives for the team’s run of disappointment, which includes 1 playoff season and 14 seasons in which the team did not reach the postseason.
I will also add that I've personally heard from several insiders over the past few years that Cohan was nearing a sale for various reasons, although obviously/ unfortunately nothing has yet to materialize.
Cohan (since we all know you're reading this)-- It's time to stop embarrassing yourself and sell the team. It would be great for the Bay Area, the NBA, and the game of basketball. Thanks!
Marcus Thompson writes Cohan Cashing Out? over at Inside the Warriors for the Bay Area News Group:
While his departure may cause a parade in the streets, the change of ownership is no small deal. It could potentially set things back. A new owner could mean new president, and maybe even new general manager and coach. And all that could mean new roster, new direction on the court.
If I were the new owner of the Warriors my first order of business would be to fire Robert Rowell. The man simply does not have the resume of a guy even the least bit qualified to be the president of a half a billion dollar corporation. It's not like his on the job "training" with the Warriors the past decade is very impressive- it can be likened to former Rowell/ Cohan publicity stunt Chris Mullin's "tutelage and grooming" for the head front office man under Gary St. Jean. Rowell's (deserved) firing would cause yet another parade in the streets.
My second order of business would be to give GM Larry Riley and head coach Don Nelson a vote of confidence. Nellie is a legendary head coach in this league and a shrewd basketball man who has resurrected the the once lowly Dallas Mavericks and the Warriors twice. If Riley's the guy he wants helping him out upstairs, then so be it. Riley might not have the most distinguished front office resume, but he is experienced and sounds a whole smarter and prepared than previous front office personnel this team has had. Despite what all the Nellie haters and Mullin apologists might have you believing, this duo is legit and the fact that they're on the same page is a great thing.
The third order of business is to blow up this roster. This mostly Mullin-created roster is a straight up disaster from top to bottom, but that's a discussion for another time. Let's stay focused here...
SELL THE WARRIORS.
What are some of the other things you're hoping are changed about this dysfunctional, unprofessional, and losing organization under a new majority owner?
Thanks to UCdubsFan for putting up the FanShot.
99% of rumors never happen, but 100% of Warriors faithful desperately want this one to happen!
Also see:
- Polling GSoM: Are you really that surprised that PR director Raymond Ridder and the Golden State Warriors got caught "astroturfing"? (5/23/09)
- At the Press Conference: Write "Sell the Warriors" (8/29/06)
- Missing Signatures (4/19/06)
- Rise to the Occasion (3/17/06)
- 2005-2006 REPORT CARD: Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell (8/23/09)
- BREAKING NEWS: Ice Cube Purchases the Warriors (4/1/06)
- We Want Larry! (7/25/09)
- San Jose SuperSonics in 2k8 (7/18/06)
- NBA Draft 2006: Chris Cohan is happy the draft isn't in the Bay (6/28/07)
- The Dirty Dozen - Part 1 of 3 (9/11/06)
- IRS Stressing Warrior Owner Chris Cohan (5/19/09)
- NBA Payroll Playpen and Cohanomics (11/30/07)
- WARRIORSist (6/6/06)
- RUMOR: Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell said no to Kevin Garnett because of additional salary and the luxury tax (5/16/09)
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On the other hand
who knows if the new owner might choose to move the Warriors out of state. Then we’re all really screwed.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 4, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They won't leave
The Bay Area is way too big of a market and they’re selling plenty of tickets.
by T-Money on Jul 4, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
asdf
With our luck Al Davis is going to buy the team.
by JRich4MVP on Jul 4, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s his birthday today.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 4, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy 3000th Al!
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like...
nothing is going to happen until the economy turns around. Well, that’s just one more reason to hope for things to get better.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 4, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Pretty low on the list, but … +1.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 4, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
: ), +1
I hope the economy get better not to get a gig better than being a server/bartender when I am a newly college grad. I need the economy to get better so that Chris Cohan sells the Golden State Warriors and so my favorite team is not run by the most ridiculuos front office in sports.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 5, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone find it funny that TimK posts this after the Amare trade breakdown..
I would love for this to be true but it seems like just some random story TimK throws out there so that people don’t forget he’s still around.
This is the lull between the seasons and with the draft passing, the Amare Trade on the back burners, the Warriors out of FA, and summer league a week away it seems like our friend TimK has nothing to write about so he needed to throw this little nugget out there.
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by FLAxwless on Jul 4, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Tim can be annoying ...
because he writes about himself too much …
But is his track record on stuff like this any worse than anyone else’s?
And wasn’t he just about the best source of news on the ongoing Amare dealings?
by Ronaldinho on Jul 4, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is his track record on stuff like this any worse than anyone else’s? – YES
And wasn’t he just about the best source of news on the ongoing Amare dealings? – NO
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jul 4, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Kawakami
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by Diamondntheback on Jul 4, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We can hope ...
this is true, because Rowell needs to get out of the front office, and I honestly think a front office replacement is the fastest way for us to get rid of Nellie, who is over the hill in my opinion.
That being said, I think that Cohan is not as much to blame for the state of the franchise as a lot of fans like to think he is. In my mind, he’s primarily responsible for three things, none of which are trivial:
The mishandling of the Nellie/Webber situation when he was a new owner.
The poor customer service and casual abuse of the fans which happened for years. (eg, one window to sell tickets, so that even if you arrived at a game half an hour early you’d miss the first quarter).
The whole Nellie/Riley/Mullin/Rowell fiasco, indirectly including the Jackson and Maggette contracts.
These are all serious f ups. On the other hand, there is a LOT of futility between those first and last mistakes which he is not responsible for. For the most part, after the Nellie/Webber fiasco, and before the Mullin/Rowell one, Cohan did exactly what a good owner has to do:
1) Let the basketball people make basketball decisions
2) Open the checkbook
3) Fire GMs as appropriate.
I don’t care if the owner is apathetic or active. (I actually tend to think that an over-active owner is usually a bigger problem than an under-active one. eg Jerry Jones running one of the best coach/GM minds out of the game because he wanted to appear to be in charge more has to go down as one of the worst ownership moves in history. Al Davis. Dan Snyder not letting his teams develop naturally).
And when talking about an apathetic owner, Cohan has been nearly as bad as Donald Sterling, who has refused (and still refuses) to fire people who clearly need to be fired (Baylor, Dunleavy). For the most part, until recently, Cohan’s firing decisions have been reasonable: he’s given GMs enough time to implement their vision, and then fired them when they didn’t actually improve the team. That’s what you want your owner to do.
I was always willing to forgive the Nellie/Webber fiasco as a rookie mistake on the owners part. It sucked, but look, everybody’s entitled to a mulligan when they’re starting out. And up until last year, I thought Cohan was an unfair scapegoat.
Until last year. The mishandling of the Monta situation, and Mullin/Rowell leadership fiasco, the Jackson extension. (And Cohan can be blamed for the Jackson extension because he allowed his man, who’s not a basketball guy, to overrule the basketball guys.) I suspect that the Maggette signing falls on Rowell, too, because the contract seems to ignore what Mullin learned (via his own rookie mistakes) about contracts. (Mullin was one of the few – perhaps the only – GM who understood the value of not having automatic max raises every year in a contract. I have to think that if Mags had been his doing, there’s be some fingerprints of that thinking on the deal).
The front office’s issue with one of the league’s top agents is also a problem. Simply put, you shoot yourself in the foot if you get in fights with agents. Working with agents is business, not personal. You offer what you think the player is worth, and if they want more, you let them find it elsewhere.
For those reasons, Cohan has to go. We can not afford to have Rowell running the team, and it’s clear that Cohan will never fire him.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 4, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Re: get rid of Nellie, who is over the hill in my opinion.
What is this opinion based on? His age, his personnel moves or his coaching? Did this happen suddenly? Did this happen in the playoff year? The 48 win year? Or last year? Which available coach would you like to replace him with?
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I think Nellie is over the hill:
While he’s never emphasized defense, now he’s completely abdicated it.
Back in the day, he seemed willing to get into confrontations with his veterans. I can remember him getting into it with Hardaway or Mullin a few times (and, in fact, his tough love with Mullin is something Mullin now credits with saving his career). Now, he seems to lack the energy to push back against Jackson or Mags, to get them to play in the team concept. Yes, this started in the 48-win season with Baron.
He seems to be losing some of his focus. EVERYBODY could see Baron breaking down in the 48-win season, and recognized that he needed to take a chance and play him a little less, to try to save his legs. Everybody but Nellie, that is: we saw Baron playing 40+ minutes, on the court late in games that were already won.
His disengagement from the media. His press conferences are sounding more and more like “get off my lawn.” Sure, he was always secretive, but he used to give fun, engaging interviews. Now he seems to get angry very quickly when the press doesn’t buy every word he says.
His lack of communication seems to extend to the players. Where’s was the positive reinforcement for Randolph, or the negative reinforcement for Jackson?
In his first run with the Warriors, Nellie was the king of creating mismatches, and possibly the best in the game at drawing up a play to get that one crucial shot. Now, as often as not, he sits on the bench, looking disengaged, and I can’t remember the last time the team has come out of a huddle and run one of those delightful set plays that took everybody by surprise.
His in game moves don’t seem to reflect any larger strategy. Randolph seems to be doing well, busting his ass, and Nellie pulls him, and never puts him back in. (This happened dozens of times in the first half of the season). Meanwhile, Jackson gets lazy of defense and hogs the ball on offense, and gets all the minutes he wants and more.
I’ve been a Nellie fan for most of his career, but honestly, now, I think it’s time for him to go.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 4, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the day, he seemed willing to get into confrontations with his veterans. I can remember him getting into it with Hardaway or Mullin a few times (and, in fact, his tough love with Mullin is something Mullin now credits with saving his career). Now, he seems to lack the energy to push back against Jackson or Mags, to get them to play in the team concept. Yes, this started in the 48-win season with Baron.
You can’t successfully hammer on stars in the NBA anymore. They make too much more money than the coach. He understands the power dynamic as it is, not as people think it should be. Getting destroyed by telling Webber to play center and then getting fired because he wanted Ewing to share the low block with Anthony Mason was enough to necessitate a change in philosophy. So, I don’t think he’s tired so much as he’s learned from his experiences, he’s said as much.
The players have the power. He’d have to be an idiot to try and take on star players. Why do you think he puts up with Monta’s strange attitude? He has to. To me, that’s smart and pretty impressive for someone who is a renowned egomaniac.
He seems to be losing some of his focus. EVERYBODY could see Baron breaking down in the 48-win season, and recognized that he needed to take a chance and play him a little less, to try to save his legs. Everybody but Nellie, that is: we saw Baron playing 40+ minutes, on the court late in games that were already won.
They won 48 games riding Baron that hard and still didn’t make the playoffs. What else was he supposed to do in that competitive conference than try and win every game?
He didn’t mismanage Baron, he maximized him. Like I said above, you can only punish your star player, especially your franchise guy, as much as he’ll let you. Also, even as supposedly over-the-hill, disinterested, egomaniac, he somehow was the only coach, since Baron signed his first big contract, to not only be able to coach him, but to build a system around him that exploited all of his talents and had winning years both years that he coached him.
In fact, what other coach is going to be able to impose his will on Baron Davis or even get him to try? Dunnleavey Sr., who isn’t “over the hill” and coaches defense certainly hasn’t had much success? Byron Scott was so good at managing his star player that he had to trade him for an “over the hill” Dale Davis and Speedy Claxton.
His disengagement from the media. His press conferences are sounding more and more like "get off my lawn." Sure, he was always secretive, but he used to give fun, engaging interviews. Now he seems to get angry very quickly when the press doesn’t buy every word he says.
The press treats this guy in a really unique and strange way. They basically think he’s lying 100% of the time and choose to report on why they think he’s does things regardless of the, often times very logical, reasons he gives them. Nobody calls the media out on their irresponsible way of interpreting his actions. Why do they get to make unsubstantiated assumptions without at least siting their sources for believing what they are claiming to be his motivations.
His lack of communication seems to extend to the players. Where’s was the positive reinforcement for Randolph, or the negative reinforcement for Jackson?
Once Randolph started playing well, he gave him public praise and more minutes. When he was playing poorly he benched him and railed on him in the media. Isn’t that exactly what you wanted him to do to his star players? But you don’t want him to do that to a rookie, when there is actually a point to doing so? A rookie can get better and a coach can punish the rookie because the way the CBA is now in that the team controls the contract for several years and if a player doesn’t play, that decreases the chances of that player getting a big contract when his rookie scale is over. It’s leverage and he uses it.
Conversely, here is nothing to gain by publicly hammering on Jackson. Does Jackson strike you as the type of guy who responds well to negative reinforcement from his employer? Nelson is treating him like a very good veteran player and the team’s locker-room leader. If you hammer on Jackson, not only do you not improve his play, but you start a potential mutiny. A coach must have the locker room leader on his side or he might as well give up, because the players won’t do what he says. There is no leverage, just an understanding between he and Jackson.
In his first run with the Warriors, Nellie was the king of creating mismatches, and possibly the best in the game at drawing up a play to get that one crucial shot. Now, as often as not, he sits on the bench, looking disengaged, and I can’t remember the last time the team has come out of a huddle and run one of those delightful set plays that took everybody by surprise.
I don’t agree that this is true. I see him diagramming out-of-bounds plays that work. The end-of-game management has been “not great” but if you watch them, it’s lack of experience on the player’s part. Missing assignments. You can’t force a player to be smarter or remember more. You can just get smarter players.
His in game moves don’t seem to reflect any larger strategy. Randolph seems to be doing well, busting his ass, and Nellie pulls him, and never puts him back in. (This happened dozens of times in the first half of the season). Meanwhile, Jackson gets lazy of defense and hogs the ball on offense, and gets all the minutes he wants and more.
I’d need specific examples and to watch the plays to have an honest discussion about this. It’s an easy claim to make without any evidence. As I said above, you take the good with the bad with Jackson. He was the team’s best player for most of last year so they didn’t have anyone else to run the offense through. I think everyone, including Nelson since he’s said so publicly, agrees that Jackson is good as your 3rd best player. The Warriors lost their top 2 offensive options last year so it was point-Jack by default. You live by Jackson, you die by Jackson. Nobody advocates for that, it was out of necessity last year.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Good read bloodsweatndonuts.
I will add that Nellie actually did try to have a sit down and rein in Jack.
Jackson says he’s indebted to Warriors [ESPN]
Yes, Jackson and coach Don Nelson had words a couple of weeks ago when Nelson told him his poor play was hurting the team… That includes his relationship with Nelson, who invited him into his car before the team’s Dec. 15 shootaround before hosting Orlando and told him he was the team’s worst player.
It’s funny how so many people were trying to demonize Nellie for that back then (which was something that had to be done- Jack was really hurting the team at the time), but now his critics are calling him out for not trying to keep his vets in check.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 4, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll criticize him either way and then turn around and say he'll deflect blame either way.
He’s got the media’s minds so messed up, they’re all reporting on this basketball coach like he’s orchestrating some diabolical conspiracy.
The cool thing is that he tried criticize Jackson in private, not even in the building. Can you imagine calling out Jackson in the media? There’s no way he pulls that unless Jackson loses the allegiance of the locker room. Until then, he’s got to tread softly.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
The other thing is that the JC “you should opt out or we’ll trade you” was done in private. To some degree (and I believe former coach Mike Fratello and some other former players agreed also) Nellie was actually trying to do Crawford a favor. i.e.- “Look we’re about to trade you in the offseason, so opt out if you want to decide where you’re going.”
And all those games where Nellie sat his vets out for entire games were a plus. They kept those vets’ per game stats from deflating. Instead of being considered a 15-17 ppg player, Crawford is considered a 20 ppg scorer that Atlanta got for free essentially.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 4, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
At first I was against Nelson regarding Randolph but seeing what Randolph did after the benching and the play of Morrow convinces me that Nelson’s tough style weeds out the weak. You can see the respect Randolph has for Nellie now and that will always be with him.
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by FLAxwless on Jul 4, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one...
…point you didn’t discuss (and you have some good takes on it) that he brought up was the initial point about Nelson turning over the defense. Regardless of a literal, on court discussion of what Nelson brings to the team and whether he’s a good fit at this stage, I find it hard to argue that he’s making off with ill-gotten gains. He was hired (and rehired) as the second highest paid coach in the league, behind Phil Jackson. Despite that, he has essentially abandoned his influence on one side of the ball, and as such, his already absurdly high paycheck becomes moreso.
by Zack Vank on Jul 4, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Defense
They have their own defensive metrics and they have different defensive schemes depending on who they are playing. I’ll be the first to say I don’t understand all of the nuances of the defensive schemes they use. For example: when to and not to go into a zone and which type of zone to employ although I’m trying to understand it better.
What I have observed is that when functioning properly, they go for steals, defend positions interchangeably and, rebound at every position. For this to work everyone needs to know his responsibilities and where he should be in every situation. Last year was particularly bad largely due to the fact that rookies have a hard time picking up “normal” NBA defense. Imagine how hard it is to pick up an innovative one. Also, they were missing two of their best players at getting into passing lanes in Baron and Monta.
I’m not going to say that this is a “defense first” team or even a “good defensive team”. The question is can they play “good enough” defense to win games? Strategy, both offensive and defensive, are about winning basketball games and the definition of “winning” is literally outscoring the other team. As long as the Warriors do that, then it is an effective defense in that it prevents the opponent from scoring as many points as your team scores.
I find it hard to argue that he’s making off with ill-gotten gains.
Nelson wins more than he doesn’t and he turns losing franchises into competitive ones. Name 10 coaches that have done that repeatedly? . Larry Brown, Don Nelson and who else? That’s why Nelson earns his money, it’s not “ill-gotten gains”
Additionally, I’d rather watch a Nelson team than a Mike Fratello or Jeff Van Gyndy team because it isn’t fun to watch and the whole point of watching other people play basketball, for me, is to be entertained and interested in what’s going on. Winning, for some reason, is also more entertaining than losing and this is the only system that has won here in the last 20 years.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grant you...
…that he wins more than he loses, but our experience here as Warriors fans hasn’t exactly been sterling with him at the helm. Between this tenure and his last, we’ve seen exactly ten more regular seasons wins than losses. The defensive coordination decision, I should say, isn’t one I disagree with in practice, but principle. I suspect Keith Smart probably would be a more useful defensive coach than Nelson at this stage. Considering that he’s writing off an element of the job that is sort of implicitly expected of him, though, amounts to ill gotten gains in my eyes. All it would take, I should say, would be him either taking a modest pay cut (which he’d never in a million years do), or showing some semblance of regret that he’s been unable to adequately coach the defense (by his own logic).
Even acknowledging that life isn’t a meritocracy, I don’t exactly feel good about Nelson being the second highest paid coach in the league (six million or so?) relative to his returns.
by Zack Vank on Jul 4, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry bout the repost...
…but I wanted to add that when I say “not so sterling,” I’m speaking in terms of what a normal team should expect when employing a high profile, respected coach. Certainly by our standards he’s been successful, but I don’t see the advantage or means to move forward unless the bar of expectation is set where it would be for a normal organization. Coming from behind all the time is exhausting.
by Zack Vank on Jul 4, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree
I don’t know what a “normal team” is but I like this team now with this coach. I think we both know what the other is saying in terms of defense and we just analyze and evaluate it differently as fans.
Even acknowledging that life isn’t a meritocracy, I don’t exactly feel good about Nelson being the second highest paid coach in the league (six million or so?) relative to his returns.
It seems odd that he’d be making more than Popovich, Karl or Sloan.
Anyways, I see your points and I respectfully disagree.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good defensive is about players, not coaches or systems. it’s most obvious in the Nelson / Avery coaching change.
The year Nelson didn’t finish was his 1st in Dallas w/o Nash, he’d just traded Jamison for Devin Harris, Stackhouse & Laettner, then moved Laettner & Najera for Dampier & traded Antoine Walker & Tony Delk for Jason Terry, Alan Henderson & a 1st round pick. He kept only Dirk, Finley, Bradley & rookies Josh Howard & Marquis Daniels from the 03-04 team.
basically, major overhaul of offensive players for defensive ones.
even though Avery was credited with making the Mavs a more defensive team, even under Nellie they were 9th in defensive efficiency that year (as well as at a respectable 96.8 ppg), they actually dropped to 11th in their 1st full season under Avery (05-06), but ironically got better offensively (from 4th to 1st) – looks like it was thanks to no longer having Finley shooting so much. 06-07 is when their defense improved to 5th, offense dropped to 2nd.
so, in truth, Avery didn’t really help their defense all that much… what he really did was slow their pace down.- he turned the team from a fast paced team (9th fastest in 04-05) to a super slow, walk the ball up team (26th in 05-06, 28th in 06-07).
we’re all homers to varying degrees. so some of us would like to believe that if Nelson were to emphasize defense or if the Warriors were to get a more defensive coach, they’d be a better defensive team, but the reality is the team is full of bad defenders and the only thing a defensive coach could do is slow the pace down and fool incompetent media types who are deceived by PPG and think that = better defense.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, that 03-04 Mavs team full of crappy defenders was 26th in efficiency.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Defensive Coordinator
That has two advantages that I saw:
1. There were a lot of young players that needed to learn all of the offensive schemes. I think he did need to do a lot of teaching on the offensive end as far as ball and player movement. He also needed to do a lot of teaching on the defensive end because the defense he uses has a lot of nuance and requires players to make a lot of correct decisions or it’s a revolving door to the paint (like last year). Then you have to keep reminding them during practices and during games. It might have been a case of too many things to teach and manage for one individual (especially an old man) to effectively handle.
2. Keith Smart is the heir-apparent in that he understands the philosophy and (says he) believes in it. Giving Smart (alleged) complete control of the defensive end, besides letting Nelson focus on offense, gets the players used to having to listen to and “obey” Smart’s voice. Smart stated the part about them getting used to his voice in a KNBR interview. I thought that might be considered bad form, but Smart is also pretty freaking blunt and forthcoming which I’d rather have than generic coach-speak.
- is just an unsubstantiated observation and theory, #2 is based on what Smart said.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me address a couple of your points:
You can’t successfully hammer on stars in the NBA anymore. They make too much more money than the coach.
You can bench them. You can certainly bench a “star” of Jackson’s caliber. We’re not talking about Kobe or LeBron here. We’re talking about Jackson. Nellie can absolutely yank Jackson when he plays poorly, which he never does.
Putting up with Monta’s attitude is one thing – and you’ll notice that I didn’t criticize Nellie for that. But his indulgence of Jackson makes no sense.
They won 48 games riding Baron that hard and still didn’t make the playoffs. What else was he supposed to do in that competitive conference than try and win every game?
There were lots of games which were over, and Baron was still in them, even though we all knew he was breaking down. There were blowout losses where Baron was in them at the end of the game.
The coach was one major tool to use over his players: playing time. If a guy jacks up a few early threes in the shot clock, you pull him out, and put him back in three minutes later. Players understand that message.
You have to pick your spots as a coach. Nellie used to be an expert at this.
Why do they get to make unsubstantiated assumptions without at least siting their sources for believing what they are claiming to be his motivations.
I think you have the causality reversed here. The press didn’t do this when Nellie was engaged with them – it was only once he became cantankerous and stopped talking to them that they began speculating … because what else are they supposed to do?
As a journalist, sometimes you can’t name your source. Are you saying that they shouldn’t report stories they’re hearing about a basketball team (it’s not life and death here, it’s entertainment!) because they can’t get someone to go on the record?
nce Randolph started playing well, he gave him public praise and more minutes. When he was playing poorly he benched him and railed on him in the media.
I saw a real absence of positive reinforcement for Randolph. Yes, he made rookie mistakes – but he also had games where he played grreat, and STILL got pulled after 8 minutes and didn’t get put back in.
That lack of real-time flexibility is exactly the problem. Yes, over the course of the season Nellie began to let Randolph play more, but there was a month or two in there were Randolph was playing well, and not getting rewarded for it. That’s when we started to hear those rumors about him wanting to get traded, etc. Hey, it’s great that he (appears to have) changed his mind, that’s fantastic. But didn’t the Webber situation teach us that you can’t always recover from steps like that?
by Ronaldinho on Jul 5, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can bench them. You can certainly bench a "star" of Jackson’s caliber. We’re not talking about Kobe or LeBron here. We’re talking about Jackson. Nellie can absolutely yank Jackson when he plays poorly, which he never does.
If you bench Jackson you might as well quit. If the players had to take sides between Jackson or any coach or front office person, who do you think they’d side with? Just because there is a chain of command, doesn’t mean that the people who are supposedly in charge actually have the power to impose their will. It’s a social power dynamic and Nelson needs Jackson’s support in order to have control of the players.
There were lots of games which were over, and Baron was still in them, even though we all knew he was breaking down. There were blowout losses where Baron was in them at the end of the game.
Fair enough. How many times did this happen? I’m not asking you to cite examples, because I remember thinking the same thing. But I don’t remember thinking it on more than 2 or 3 occasions.
The coach was one major tool to use over his players: playing time. If a guy jacks up a few early threes in the shot clock, you pull him out, and put him back in three minutes later. Players understand that message.
Not with stars in the NBA. You can’t say “I’m the coach and you are going to listen to me”. It may “supposed” to work like that but it does not. The players make more money than the coach and ultimately have more power while under contract. The only time the team has leverage is in the player’s walk year if they don’t want him back. The Warriors didn’t think Baron was opting out and they didn’t want him to. You go to war with Baron Davis and you lose until you can get rid of him. How successful has Mike D. Sr. been at managing Baron? Baron looks like he’s barely trying and still jacking up horrible shots to the tune of 37% FG and 30% 3pt.
What is Mike D. Sr. supposed to do when he owes Baron over $50mil over the next 4 years? Bench him? Mike D. Sr. is the coach and the GM and he can’t do anything. That’s what kind of power the coach has.
I think you have the causality reversed here. The press didn’t do this when Nellie was engaged with them – it was only once he became cantankerous and stopped talking to them that they began speculating … because what else are they supposed to do?
As a journalist, sometimes you can’t name your source. Are you saying that they shouldn’t report stories they’re hearing about a basketball team (it’s not life and death here, it’s entertainment!) because they can’t get someone to go on the record?
I don’t know what else to say other than read any of TK’s or Monte Poole’s hatchet jobs and find any substantiation of their biased interpretations. It’s one thing to protect your sources when breaking a big story that’s important for the public to know. This is not what’s happening. This is the media repeatedly railing away on a basketball coach with no substantiation. This isn’t Watergate this is just sportswriters liberally speculating as to one guy’s motives.
I saw a real absence of positive reinforcement for Randolph. Yes, he made rookie mistakes – but he also had games where he played great, and STILL got pulled after 8 minutes and didn’t get put back in.
That lack of real-time flexibility is exactly the problem. Yes, over the course of the season Nellie began to let Randolph play more, but there was a month or two in there were Randolph was playing well, and not getting rewarded for it. That’s when we started to hear those rumors about him wanting to get traded, etc. Hey, it’s great that he (appears to have) changed his mind, that’s fantastic. But didn’t the Webber situation teach us that you can’t always recover from steps like that?
Randolph says now that Nelson handled correctly and thanks him for it, I have no idea how that isn’t enough for everybody. Did Webber ever say Nelson was right? Recover from it? That and the Ewing situation is how he learned that the power dynamic had shifted that severely and that the players had more power than even an establishged coach.
It’s pretty strange that you are advocating for being a hardcore disciplinarian to a very good veteran in Jackson or benching your franchise player in Baron Davis for his shot selection but then you turn around and criticize Nelson for benching an out-of-control, turnover-prone rookie with an attitude problem even after the player has admitted that was the best thing for him.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 5, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s get back to discussing the important issue here:
“That being said, I think that Cohan is not as much to blame for the state of the franchise as a lot of fans like to think he is.”
Cohan owns the company, and he sets a precedent throughout the company that creates a culture that does not put winning #1. His goal is to sell tickets, whether that comes from a winning team, an exciting but crappy team, or anything else, as long as tickets are sold. At no point has he made a single good hire in his entire tenure with the Warriors. We’re 1 for 15 (playoff appearances) in his tenure as majority owner, where more than half the teams in a given year make the playoffs. Coaches have come and gone. Players have come and gone. Front office executives have come and gone. The one constant has been Cohan, and nobody has managed to give us a successful basketball team under him.
If he made one bad hire, that would be one thing, but it’s very telling when after 15 years, we haven’t seen any success. At some point, the blame falls to the guy at the top, especially when he’s the only common factor in all the losing. This is without even bringing up the completely unprofessional way this business as a whole acts. Alienating players and fans seems to be the norm more than the exception. From Webber to Monta, from the We Believe guy (Paul Wong) to the friends Cohan has sued, to the way Mullin was treated, at no point has Cohan shown himself capable of running a classy organization that treats its stakeholders the right way.
&%^$ Chris Cohan. Him selling the Warriors is the best thing that could ever happen to us. It is his fault. It’s often said that insantiy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Until Cohan is gone, we can expect to do the same thing over and over again. Are you really expecting different results?
by Missing Barry on Jul 6, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New owner
Whoever it will be, can he do any worse than Cohan?
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by AlbinoWhale on Jul 4, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As longs as
the new owner does not move the team out of Golden State everything is good
by GSW9 on Jul 4, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cohan has had a history of disastrous GM and Coach hiring decisions but MTII brings up the important point.
So Cohan’s reeeeeely slow on the uptake, 15 years slow. Ok, well it seems like they’re on the right track now. What would the vast majority of fans gain by new ownership? What I mean by “vast majority of fans” are those of use who don’t have season tickets or wouldn’t spend our heard-earned money on them when you get a better view of the plays by watching on TV.
He’s been an awful owner when it comes to hiring GMs and coaches. He’s got that rectified now. Hopefully he doesn’t bail until he decides that the Warriors need a new style of play and personnel strategy. I don’t doubt that he’ll make some more idiotic decisions, but right now things are heading in the right direction because he has someone in charge of basketball decisions that it is one of the NBA’s best.
At any other point in his tenure, I’d agree that he should go. But who’d replace him? How many people do you know with that much money that also have a history of doing right by his customer base even if it means losing money? How many of those people would be interested in buying this team and how many of that sub-subset would make better basketball hiring?
So it’s fine to say “get rid of Cohan” but you have to replace him with someone better otherwise what’s the point?
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I...
…strongly disagree that he’s rectified his problems hiring coaches and GMs. Larry Riley isn’t a Cohan pick, his ties to Nelson are obvious. Mullin came from the top, but they clearly lost confidence in him, despite throwing every ounce of effective power in the organization at a coaching braintrust that Mullin himself pulled back in. If he’s still the owner when Nelson leaves, we’ll get a good long look at how much he’s matured.
By the way, this might as well be titled “SHOT IN THE DARK: Cohan ready to sell.” I like Kawakami as a writer, but his insistence on swinging for the fences does nobody any help, and it’s become somewhat more farcical as this offseason has chugged along.
by Zack Vank on Jul 4, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He extended Nelson and Riley is an extension of Nelson so that's good to me . . .
Mullin was mediocre at the height of his competency. Mullin was circling the drain before he brought in Nelson. Then, all-of-a sudden, they have two straight winning seasons after 12 years of losing seasons. Traded Murphy and Dunnleavy, bought out Foyle. Basically Mullins 2nd and 3rd best moves were undoing his own mistakes.
If he’s still the owner when Nelson leaves, we’ll get a good long look at how much he’s matured.
You’re likely right and I’m not holding my breath. All I’m saying is that right now, there is no need for a change. In two years, you’re probably right.
By the way, this might as well be titled "SHOT IN THE DARK: Cohan ready to sell." I like Kawakami as a writer, but his insistence on swinging for the fences does nobody any help, and it’s become somewhat more farcical as this offseason has chugged along.
As Vanilla Ice said in Cool As Ice: “Yup Yup”.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QUESTION...
Could Mullin’s mistakes (Dunleavy & Foyle contracts) be somewhat based on what was available in the market during that time or lack of any FA’s wanting to come here or even Rowell blocking trades that could have happened we never heard about? We can’t forget that because of the Warriors history and poor ownership, players don’t really want to come here, even if we had the money to give them.
I don’t think we can completely blame Mullin for those atrocious deals, but praise him for getting out of it and putting the team in a better position today.
To Atma…I don’t know why you would want a new owner to blow up the team when they’re finally resembling a competitive team. I think we’re 1 piece (Amare or some other PF) away from making it back to the playoffs and hopefully get past the 2nd round. I also think that w/ a year w/ the roster completely intact (w/ the typical injuries and rest here and there), this team will build the chemistry they need to succeed.
Anyway, I just think that Mullin hasn’t been the best, but definitely not the worst GM the Warriors have had.
Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!
by scottiepimppen on Jul 4, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: QUESTION...
Could Mullin’s mistakes (Dunleavy & Foyle contracts) be somewhat based on what was available in the market during that time or lack of any FA’s wanting to come here or even Rowell blocking trades that could have happened we never heard about? We can’t forget that because of the Warriors history and poor ownership, players don’t really want to come here, even if we had the money to give them.
I think that’s why he did it, but it doesn’t make them “good moves” it just makes them understandable. Mullin only reacted when they should have probably blown up the team and maybe kept J-Rich since he was the face of the franchise and maybe MP2. I remember an MT2 article saying he’d rather extend Dunleavy instead of MP2. I don’t know if I disagree that Dunleavy is the better player, but I wouldn’t have extended wither player.
Also, there’s no evidence that Rowell blocked any trades, especially since they took on Baron Davis’s huge, uninsured contract.
Anyway, I just think that Mullin hasn’t been the best, but definitely not the worst GM the Warriors have had.
Agreed 100%.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we have different definitions of “blowing up” the team (which is fine).
I think we’re 1 piece (Amare or some other PF) away from making it back to the playoffs and hopefully get past the 2nd round.
Andris Biedrins + Brandan Wright + Marco Belinelli for Amare Stoudemire constitutes a blow up for me.
I’m 100% down for that rumored deal by the way. I don’t think that move along necessarily guarantees a return to the playoffs, but it’s a big step in the right direction.
I really don’t know if the injury situation will naturally improve for this team though. The reality is that Maggette is an injury prone player (who by the way missed more games than “Need 4 Salary Protection” Baron Davis both this past season and the one before). Jack ain’t getting any younger and also played less games than Baron Davis this past season. Brandan Wright has proven only one thing during his time in the NBA— he’s soft and injury prone. Monta Ellis is a huge question mark. He only played 25 games this past season and pretty much sat out the final month of the season because of injury. Biedrins also played less games than Baron Davis last season and his ankle woes last season are a cause for concern. Let’s face it- this team is damaged goods.
Actually this gives me an idea for another piece…
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 4, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can’t forget that because of the Warriors history and poor ownership, players don’t really want to come here, even if we had the money to give them.
before they became contenders, no one wanted to go to Boston either. the dubs are in the same boat as every franchise not named Fakers, NY or perhaps in state tax free Florida. every other team overpays to steal FAs and only contenders get the veteran trying to win a title discount.
I don’t think we can completely blame Mullin for those atrocious deals, but praise him for getting out of it and putting the team in a better position today.Mullin would never have gotten out, had it not been for Nelson benching Foyle in favor of Andris, reducing DunMurphy’s minutes into the mid 20s, giving Barnes a chance (the W’s weren’t his 1st training camp or roster spot, but Nelson was the 1st to give him a real chance at playing) as well as defining a Bruce Bowen / Raja Bell role for Pietrus as a corner 3 shooting defensive type.
Anyway, I just think that Mullin hasn’t been the best, but definitely not the worst GM the Warriors have had.what makes this true is the fact that we have had some of the worst GM’s in modern history who didn’t understand the most basic thing about the NBA – that 2 really really great players + crap will dominate a team with 8 or 9 average to above-average players.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When talking about disastrous hiring decisions ...
… the question is, how much were they obvious in advance?
eg, Twarzick was a perfectly reasonable hire. He ended up being a bad GM, but how could you tell that in advance?
Cohan did what you’re supposed to do when you hire a GM: let him do his job, and, if he sucks, fire him after a few seasons.
And when you’re not a basketball guy, you hire the GM, and let the GM pick a coach. That’s also what Cohan has done (until the Nellie/Mullin fiasco). I thought the Adleman hire was a bad choice to begin with, but once you’ve hired Twarzick, don’t you HAVE to let him pick his guy? Otherwise what are you hiring him for?
by Ronaldinho on Jul 5, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twardzick/Adelman didn’t work out, but both came with good reputations, Twardzick as an up-and-coming ‘basketball mind’ and Adelman with a history of winning as a coach. Just didn’t work out, perhaps because of the alleged mandate from upper management to consider “character” chiefly when making decisions. It’s all rumor, but that allows you to do things like keep BJ Armstrong over Hardaway, try to resurrect the blown out knees of Mark Price when he had little left to offer but the bible study group. (OK, actually, Price performed reasonably well, but wasn’t really able to go all out for a season at that point and the defensive equivalent of CJ at that point too.) Were these all Twardzick? Or was this part of a mandate that a guy in his first GM job didn’t feel he had the authority to stand up to? Who knows? I think it’s one of those things where the truth is in some unknown realm. Maybe Cohan meddled. Maybe it was just bad luck. Maybe Twardzick just sucked all by himself.
The biggest problem is that afterwards, Cohan didn’t learn from the mistake and didn’t figure out a way to right the ship after that failed experiment. The PJ hire was pretty questionable at the time. He hired PJ, who didn’t have a very good track record in the NBA, but came with the reputation for being “tough” which was the perceived need after Adelman had “lost control”. PJ was hired by Cohan when there was no GM in place, served as the defacto GM for his first draft and then, apparently, selected Saint to be his GM. It was a poor order of events if your task is to clean up a big mess, which then (as it often is in Warriorville) what was required.
by jae on Jul 5, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd forgotten about the order of things ...
… for which Cohan deserves some criticism.
But, again, the PJ hiring was only disasterous in retrospect. At the time, although I recall being uninspired at the time, it wasn’t one of those head-thumpingly bad hires.
The main thing I’m pushing back against is the reflexive: “We’ve only made the playoffs once, it must be the owner’s fault.” I think you have to judge an owner by his process, not his results. And while Cohan’s process has been bad sometimes, it’s been fine others – but still hasn’t worked out.
There’s been an awful lot of bad luck involved, too – such as getting good picks in years where there was no (or a bad) concensus #1 pick. Nobody on GSOM would have picked KG over Joe Smith (although a bunch of us might have picked Stackhouse or Wallace), and no GM in the league would have, either.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 6, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
George Lucas might buy
Hopefully he can give us Jedi Powers.
Welcome to the Warriors, Stephen Curry, the 2009 NBA Rookie of the Year.
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by ejdacanay on Jul 4, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Any...
…local mogul who’s motivated and not a management scumbag would work. I realize that souns easier said than done, but the biggest problem with Cohan to my mind- is that he’s not management material for any business. The way he conducts his front office business is disgraceful. It’s the tumult at the top that’s made us so undesirable, which then filters all the way down to the players perceptions, and the ability to sign key FAs. A new start is paramount to moving this franchise forwards.
On the topic of moving… I doubt seriously an owner who managed to come into our team would be too eager to move, considering how dedicated the fanbase has been despite the losing. That’s a following you can’t find in too many other cities.
by Zack Vank on Jul 4, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YESSIR!!!
And if whoever the new owner will be does what it takes to build a better team, the fans will be out in full force on a regular basis…just like during the playoffs!
SELL…SELL…SELL!!!
Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!
by scottiepimppen on Jul 4, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lmao 98% to 1%...
HAPPY 4th of July guys and girls!
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jul 4, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whos the 1% of people who work for the Warriors. LOL
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jul 4, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously...
…the poll’s second option is in jest, but I think it might be good to have a legit option for people who don’t want an ownership change, be the reason belief in their competence (which I, like most, don’t share) or worries about the team being moved. I bring it up cuz…
A few wise folks have wondered why GSoM has been so late to cover this. To be honest my biggest fear in giving this topic much ink is that it would cultivate a McCarthy-esque environment on GSoM, in which anyone (for whatever reason) that aligns with the decisions of the Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell is deemed a phony and perpetrator of The Suck regime. We already cover a dysfunctional franchise. Do really want a dysfunction online community with constant finger pointing and the Warriors equivalent of McCarthyism? Warrior fans have it hard as is; we need to stick together.
That’s from Atma’s post about the Raymond Ridder “astroturfing.” I agree with the sentiment entirely, but the poll for this topic has no option in favor of this group that doesn’t needle the voter as being a Warriors employee. I think a good potential plan would be to start adding a “None Of The Above” option for all these front page polls, so we can get a better sense of the votes vs. the votes of no confidence, so to speak.
by Zack Vank on Jul 4, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But if you don’t want a new owner, you ARE a communist. I mean Warriors employee. You can only agree. :)
by Missing Barry on Jul 6, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wake me up the next time Kawakami gets something right..
You guys listen to him too much. He had half this board convinced we were taking Terrence Williams. LOL
by Bob on Jul 4, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes...
But Donald Sterling has a mortal lock on worst owner in professional sports.
by genesic on Jul 4, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cohan’s given him a pretty good run the last 15 years. At least Sterling was making a good profit for most of that time. I mean, as a fan, I want my owner to want to win not make money, but is it worse to be a terrible team where your owner isn’t making a huge profit, or a terrible team where your owner is (at least there’s the potential to spend more money and move up in the world, right)?
by Missing Barry on Jul 6, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't play with my emotions.
I’d be more than ecstatic if Cohan sells the team, but are these rumors true? As long as Cohan is the owner of the Warriors, there is no chance, absolutely no chance of having a normal and winning organization. But I hope to God Cohan sells.
by MasuWarrior on Jul 4, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Atam! your a laughing stock
to keep printiing Kawakami’s puke. Whjy do you do this? is he paying you? Must be!
by Crab Ddribble Cocktail on Jul 4, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Support for Cohan just went to 3%
I am deeply disappointed in you all for letting this happen.
Bay Area fan going to UCLA.
by Yoyo on Jul 4, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
cohan gone would be great
First I have something to say about this comment
This mostly Mullin-created roster is a straight up disaster from top to bottom, but that’s a discussion for another time. Let’s stay focused here…
Mullen brought in Davis, Ellis, Biedrins, Jackson, and to lesser extent Randolph and Wright. If we still had Davis we would be a playoff team, as we were three years ago, the following season we improved to 48 games with the Mullen built team. Things got blown up, we lost Davis and had the horrific signing of Maggette. Under Mullen we were also able to lock up Ellis and Biedrins to very affordable long term deals.
I believe we have a great young core. Personally I dont think Maggette and Jackson should be in the teams future. I think Buke can handle the SF posistion nearly as well as both of these guys at half the cost. A Curry, Ellis, Buke front court isnt to shabby if we can land an athletic Star PF.
by The City on Jul 5, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mullin brought in Davis, Ellis, Biedrins, Jackson, and to lesser extent Randolph and Wright.
What do you mean to a lesser extent? Mullin was still the Warriors GM when he brought in Randolph and Wright.
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jul 5, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSoM should buy the team and make all decisions based on front-page polls.
by goGSW24 on Jul 5, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
E40 is unfortunately ....
a Lakers fan.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jul 6, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors employees and communists.
by Missing Barry on Jul 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, communists
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jul 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors employees and communists.
I suspect Kirilenko.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 6, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see Cohan go....
Because I dont know of anyone who could be so uninterested in what the entire fanbase thinks of a franchise President to allow that President to stay in office. The openly crass and frankly stupid comments by Robert Rowell would have had him fired at any other company, let alone look at his performance running the club.
Which tells me, that as long as people are coming in through the door and paying for overpriced crap in he eating establishments, merchandise that does not even reflect the current team! Then he and his minion Rowell have all the hallmarks and credentials of “Fagin” from Oliver Twist…..
As the man himself said…. “You got to pick a pocket or two!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFSHmbNHtY8
Be they people on the street or dedicated fans of the Golden State Warriors…..either way, we have been “robbed” for far too long!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 6, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We should start a petition
TO PUSH COHAN OVER THE EDGE!!!
by ez0es on Jul 6, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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