What about Marion?
by adamm on Jul 5, 2009 7:39 PM PDT
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I find Marion to be the most interesting player who is available.
I read somewhere that Toronto only offered 21 mil over three years (at 7something mil each). If that is the case and we could get him at somewhere close to that, I think we should do it. His best play of his carreer was when he was playing in a run and gun system and he has always played great defense. He put up freakish statistics and used to help teams dominate categories like steals and blocks in my old fantasy basketball leagues. And many of the turnovers he created would equal easy buckets on the other end. When I was watching him 4 years ago, I never thought he would going at the price Toronto just offered.
If the Luxury level is at about 68 mil ( like predicted) we should have about 8 mil available after signing Curry and thats with claxton's 5.3 mil expiring contract. I believe that money could be well spent on Marion in a three year deal even if it is a little more than what Toronto offered. I think that he might be a guy who wouldn't mind coming here but I don't know. He should want to show everyone that he isn't over the hill and by choosing a system like ours he would be more capable of it.
If he could play for us like he did for the Sun's he would be a steal. Think about it. He has great defense, pretty good scoring, and years of experience. If he would be happy to be here, he could be a good leader for us.
I am wondering what everyone thinks about him on the warriors so write a comment.
Also if you guys know anything about what the warriors are doing (this offseason) or if any teams have met with Marion, Info would be appreciated.
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Lol, I think the W’s might make the playoffs even without him.
by adamm on Jul 5, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
uhhh
…just loook at how amazing he was in pheonix. he is really good at fast breaks…and what are we known for? him coming to the dubs would really give him career highs and in return we get an allstar who could play 3 n 4….
oh and remember when he was in the heat,he said they was a boring ass team…im pretty sure he would love to come here..i might be biased but dubs are really the most exciting team to watch
by GSWeri on Jul 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We can’t offer more than Toronto, it’s called a salary cap.
The most we could offer is the MLE, and I don’t see him signing here for that.
Thing C
by markdash on Jul 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK technically if Toronto signs Turkoglu they can’t sign Marion to anything but the veteran’s minimum (because they had to renounce the MLE) but my point remains.
Thing C
by markdash on Jul 5, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marion's status up in the air
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4305237
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jul 5, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming the Turkoglu-to-Raptors rumors are true, there’s essentially a 0% chance Marion would re-sign with the Raps.
Still, given the choice between signing here for the MLE and any number of other more desirable (or successful) destinations, I don’t see him wearing “The City” jerseys.
Thing C
by markdash on Jul 5, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Warriors are over the cap and cannot offer more than the MLE. On top of that, Marion is only a shell of his former self. Yes, he played his best basketball in a run-and-gun style with the Suns, but that was when he had Nash creating opportunities for him. We don’t even have a playmaker for matter. His defense could help a little bit, but not enough to make a big difference. Other than that, he doesn’t add much.
Ignoring that his play is declining, even signing him long-term isn’t a great idea. Adding to the money being paid to Monta, Jax, Maggette, and Beans will not do us any good in the long run when we need to re-up our younger guys like Randolph.
by WYK on Jul 5, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Adding to the money being paid to Monta, Jax, Maggette, and Beans will not do us any good in the long run when we need to re-up our younger guys like Randolph.
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by NaturalBornBaller on Jul 6, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
marion to the warriors
is no doubt an intriguing idea, but I’m having a hard time finding out what exactly would be his role on this team. I guess in the beginning of the year he could start at the 3 spot. That seems like a pretty killer 5 of ellis, jack, marion, randolph, and biedrins. But it’s already been established that curry will eventually take over the point guard duties which pushes marion out of the lineup. WIth him and maggette playing the same position i could potentially marion falling out of favor with this team and don nelson as well as vice-versa. Nonetheless, this would be the ideal situation for him to go and try to revive his career. Also, he fits the mold of the power forward who can play some 3 as well which larry riley covets
by waitillnextyear14 on Jul 5, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we need another SF.
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
by XIAOXIAO on Jul 5, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marion can also play the 4
When Amare was playing the 5, Marion used to play the 4. I think he was also responsible for guarding Duncan for significant stretches in 06 or 07.
by ninjasocks on Jul 7, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly constitutes a “true SF”?
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So being white and able to shoot? Or being one of the greatest players ever? I don’t get it :(
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget being able to pass like a point guard and rebound like a PF.
by jae on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is a small forward
I’ve been living in Miami in recent years so I can fairly claim to be familiar with Marion. He is worth suggested contract and would fit well but…Maggette would NEED to go… well actually a sign and trade would work great with Maggette because the Raptors could sure use him: right now at swingman they have, um, Quincy Douby….Yeah they might want to talk to us once they finish the ceremonies with Turkoglu. Ok, we have a Maggette destination!! Yee-uh, yee- uh!
by polar on Jul 5, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is best suited to play the SG.
A sign and trade with Toronto is impossible.
The Raptors have DeRozan and Turkoglu projected to start on the wings.
A sign and trade with Toronto for Marion is impossible.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack will probably start the season as the starting 2.
But I have a hunch by the time Curry is ready to start (whenever that is), he’ll move back to the 3.
Nelson told him as much via E-Mail.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jul 6, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I heard that….I don’t know that Curry will be ready to start at any point this season though
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 6, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and a sign and trade with Toronto for Marion is impossible.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 5, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey… do you think a sign and trade might be possible??
by gameseven on Jul 5, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't hurt to sign Marion...he could be a good backup for Jackson,it could NEVER to have a back-up defensive foward
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jul 5, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’d be good but I don’t see a us signing him with just the MLE. Maybe in a sign and trade but I think that makes speculations about landing him here too far stretched to discuss.
by Balance on Jul 5, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
The jackass forces his way out of Phoenix with his big shot attitude, and then hops from team to team after being an asset on that Phoenix squad.
His attitude is clearly terrible. We don’t need anymore attitude problems on this current squad.
Thumbs down.
by Aemoc on Jul 6, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JACKSON IS A 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, he would not be better suited to play the 2. I’d much rather the 2 minutes go to Morrow, Beli, Buike and Ellis.
Jack (6’8",235)and Maggette (6’6",225) are SF’s.
Both are chuckers and scorers and tough players. Jack is a good defender, but he needs to hustle back on defense, period.
Maggette just tries to get fouled every time, but is effective at his craft.
Forget the talk about Randolph being a 3, and Jack being a 2, and Monta being a 1.
Randolph is best suited to play the 4. He will be light this year at about 6’11, 220. But he plays tough for his size and will be an effective PF this year. Jack should only play the 2 if those other 4 guys all get injured. And Monta is a combo guard. Watson and Curry deserve minutes at the point this year as well, so that means Ellis will be the 2 sometimes, with maybe Belinelli or Morrow or Buike playing the 3 alongside in a small lineup.
I’m excited for this year. I really like the depth we have. If we can get Leon Powe, I will be REALLY excited to see this team play next year.
#28 D-MO
by D-Mo Gaucho on Jul 6, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I never noticed Jack was 6"8 haha!
always thought he was Corey’s height.
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jul 6, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem with Jack at the 3 is he rebounds like a 2.
by homer simpson on Jul 6, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If Jack is at the 3 without Randolph and/or Biedrins in the game we are a terrible rebounding team.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 6, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than rebounding Jack is a better fit at 3. His size/foot speed is more suited to it. A wing is a wing, though, and what matters more than technically what position he plays is who he’s playing next to on the wing.
by Missing Barry on Jul 6, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
though a 2 (along with the 1) has more transition defense responsibilities than a 3 and b/c of that, he also has more opportunities in transition (since he has less box out responsibility due to his man getting back in transition d). so usually you want to put the better rebounding wing at the 3 unless there is a match up issue.
by homer simpson on Jul 6, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, usually there’s no difference at all between wings. They get called different positions, but their responsibilities are the same. 3’s are generally the bigger, slower of the wings, so you’d expect them to rebound a bit more and not get out in transition as quickly, but obviously that doesn’t have to be the case. Jackson rebounds like a two, but his size and speed is more of a 3, but again, both wings will have the same responsibilities.
by Missing Barry on Jul 6, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed ...
In most systems, the primary difference is defensive. The “3” plays the bigger wing on the other team than the “2.”
Much is the same between 4s and 5s. The offensive responsibilities are usually the same. Defensively, the guy who plays the bigger opponent is the “center.”
When somebody like Amare says they don’t want to play center, that usually just means they want somebody bigger than them on the court for defensive reasons, although it also sometimes means they have a smaller defender on them. It doesn’t really change what they do.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 6, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there aren’t many teams that start a 2 that is a better rebounder than their starting 3.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, maybe it didn’t seem like it, but i was agreeing with you for the most part. i was just adding that the one clear difference responsibility wise is that a 2 has that a 3 usually doesn’t is in transition defense (which goes to your Jackson is a 3 speed wise since you usually want your 2 to be the quicker of the wings in getting back).
basically 3’s have more leeway to go for offensive rebounds because they aren’t required to get back for primary or secondary break defense in most, if not all, systems.
by homer simpson on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey does anyone know the rebound differential when both AB and AR are on the court?
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jul 6, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t but I imagine its a pretty tiny sample size
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 6, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Jack is a 3
Why do some of you thing he’s best suited for the 2. I think Jack is a 3 who can play some 2.
by GSW9 on Jul 6, 2009 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i believe the stated reason is his rebounding.
by homer simpson on Jul 6, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s entirely it. As Jax rebounds real well for a PG when he’s playing SF. He’s a average deficit of of rebounds a game under the average SF though, let alone a SF that helps you win the rebound war.
by jae on Jul 6, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add to that ...
Improving our rebounding is one of the few things we can do, as currently constructed, to get better – barring a major trade.
Some of that is going to happen anyway, as Randolph gets more minutes at the 4.
But if we play Biedrins at 5, Randolph at 4, Mags at 3, and Jackson at 2, we’re no longer a weak rebounding team. Playing Biedrins, Mags, Jackson, and Morrow or Monta, however, and we are.
Offensive, in most systems there isn’t much difference between what a 2 and a 3 are asked to do, so saying, “He’s a guard, he’s a small forward!” is kind of silly. (Similarly with 4s and 5s.)
This season we’ll have the personelle to play a more traditional lineup that can still get up and down the floor. Hopefully Nellie with recognize that – I’m tried of getting the losing end of mismatches.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 6, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as that means no more Kelenna at the 4 then I’m happy.
I look forward to the day we no longer get creamed on the defensive glass.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jul 6, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His best play of his carreer was when he was playingin a run and gun systemwith Nash.
fixed
by homer simpson on Jul 6, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To his credit, Marion did have a few good years before Nash as well. He wasn't a scrub until Nash came is all.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jul 6, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign & Trade option last until July 8th
Once FA signing restriction is lifted and the salary cap is officially established, then the Raptors will have to relinquish the rights to Shawn Marion in order to sign HedoTurkoglu. The after dropping nearly off 1/4 of it’s roster (including Parker and Delfino) to sign Turkoglu they’ll be in desperate need of some help at the 2 and 3 spots (mainly as backups to DeRozan and Turkolgu). What do the Warriors have to offer… a ton of wing players.
The problem is that they’d have to convince Marion in the next two days that he should sign with the Warriors. I seriously doubt he want to voluntarily come to the bay to play with the Dubs. But then again if the money is right (ie we over pay him) then we might have shot.
Would be a nice fit, yes. Would the Warriors be a playoff team with him? Only if he’s the Martix again and not just the Shawn Marion we saw in Miami and Toronto last season.
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by mcwalter44 on Jul 6, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that image. Grant used to use it regularly over at mccoveychronicles and it was always appropriate.
by jae on Jul 6, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say keep the team we have now
We all know how much upside this team has. Let them grow and surprise the whole league. Don’t give up on the team now… WE KNOW LAST SEASON WAS A FLUKE!!!!
by bojangles408 on Jul 6, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a fluke in that Monta was out for most of the year based on something that isn’t likely to happen again. Their win total was more or less exactly what a sane mathematical prediction would have come up with figuring for Monta only playing a quarter of a season. If he plays nearly a full season, if injuries aren’t as bad they were a year ago and Randolph and/or (less likely given Nellie’s past decisions) Wright provide the sort of limited time production they’re capable of as regular starters at the PF, the team improves into the low to mid 40s. It takes a big step forward from someone else to get beyond this and it doesn’t take much going wrong to slip back into mid 30s wins.
But there’s reason to expect that Maggs will continue to be injured because he always had and older players don’t tend to get healthier. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jax similarly missed much PT. I don’t know what to think about Biedrins’ injuries — two years ago he was healthy save an appendix, but his ankles seem to be a chronic source of a few games missed here and there. It’s not entirely a given that we’re a healthier team going forward.
by jae on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we can stay away from the fluke injuries.
Sprained ankles are apart of the game. I can live with that. So long as that’s not exacerbated by Moped injuries or dislocated shoulders.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jul 6, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides monta
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by montadaboss on Jul 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what's the difference between 2s and 3s why is Jackson a 3
Jackson is an adequate rebounder at the 3 if he actually goes to the boards instead of chilling at the arc waiting for a tip out. The difference between 2 and 3 is footspeed and size. These days there are plenty of 3s that are 6’9" or 6’8" who is supposed to defend them other than Jackson? If Randolph defends the 3s the 4s will run wild inside against Wright at his 6’11" 210 lbs or whatever it is. And we can’t play Turiaf at 4 much because what if Biedrins gets in foul trouble see this is why we need just 1 guy for interior defense. Will Davidson cut it? If he is somewhat able to that would be great. To expound upon the difference between 2s and 3s, 2s are usually great athletes and/or high volume shooters (think Bryant, Roy, J.R. Smith, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Hamilton) while 3s are stronger, bulkier (210-245 lbs) and might be taller but not quite as athletic or fast shot release (think Pierce, Artest, Rashard Lewis, Butler,John Salmons, Nocioni is a tall 3 really). 3s definitely need to have 3-point range to finish kickouts from the post that’s why Randolph is not a 3 even though he handles and weighs like one. True swingmen are strong, athletic, and can chase those quick smaller guys around and get off quick shots. Imo this true swingman category would include Anthony, McGrady and James. We should be around .500 with our current roster but just one appropriate trade and one appropriate signing would get us 50 wins. This is not being optimistic there are about 20 teams in the league that should envy our stockpile of talent . The difference between them and us is that their management might know how to balance a team so that talent gets results.
by polar on Jul 6, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is an adequate rebounder at the 3 if he actually goes to the boards instead of chilling at the arc waiting for a tip out.
Big “if” there, and one that his career has been met with a big “nope”. Jax has never rebounded well for a 3, and it’s really, really wishful thinking to believe that he’ll start this late in his career. Guys just rarely rarely become better rebounders. He is not adequate in this regard.
by jae on Jul 6, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be painful
to see Marion’s t-rex looking jump shot side by side with A-Mo’s
by Dr. Orpheus on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson 2 or 3...
I know everyone has already stated the obvious, that he is a bad rebounder at SF, but I just wanted to add that until coming here he had most of his success playing SG for the Spurs and Pacers. Until he got Nellie-balled Jack was always a long, slowish SG who could play SF.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1 name...
Dan Fegan
Marion is not coming.
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jul 7, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nor should he
but shouldnt we do SOMETHING this off season besides trade for claxton and law? i mean i know tomorrows the big day (july 8th) where everyone can officially sign but we have done virtually nothing as of yet to make our a team a contender. can i be satisfied with making no moves and keeping the team the way it is? yes because im very interested in seeing curry and monta play together and also very interested in seeing extremely growth and progress in anthony randolph. so yeah i guess i can live without making moves this off season but i mean they can at least try! and by try i mean more than this he-said-she-said crap with amare stoudemire. that being said though, there is no way we are a contender right now. so this lack of ability to make a move this off season better mean were going to do BIG big things next off season. which will coincidentally be the biggest off season EVER
by nhlogan on Jul 7, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to Dallas
Looks like he’s going to the mavs
by JBreezy on Jul 8, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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