Polling GSoM: Which of these injured players was Baron Davis in 2008-2009?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 3:25 PM PDT
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After being hailed as the Clips' hometown savior, Baron Davis had an absolutely dismal performance last season. Equally dismal (probably more so) was the post- Boom Dizzle Golden State Warriors campaign. The mythically great future guaranteed with up-and-comers Brandan Wright ("his per 36 numbers mean he's going to blowup in 2k8-2k9!"), Andris Biedrins ("top 5, top 10, top something center!"), and Monta Ellis ("leader and superstar in the making!") reminded me of that old Public Enemy track- "Don't Believe the Hype". All the "promise" of the vets on this team Corey Maggette ("he keeps himself in far better shape than the injury-prone Boom Dizzle and will be a better influence on Monta!") and Stephen Jackson ("the Warriors started 1-6 in 2k7-2k8 while he was suspended- imagine if he was playing!") also reminded me of another classic P.E. joint- "Can't Truss It."
But let's focus on today's topic and that's about perceptions about injuries, games missed, and what really happened during the 2008-2009 Golden State Warriors and LA Clippers seasons. (Okay you probably know- a whole lotta suck!)
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Player A is Andris Biedrins
62 games played --> 20 games missed
This shot is probably outside of his range.
25 games played --> 57 games missed
51 games played --> 31 games missed
65 games played --> 17 games missed
Good times man.
59 games played --> 23 games missed
What kind of fool breaks this up to build around Troy Murphy without a Jumpshot and Moped Ellis?
39 games played --> 43 games missed
62 games played --> 20 games missed
31 games played --> 51 games missed
36 games played --> 46 games missed
I nominate Ricky Davis as the perfect fit for the Golden State Warriors aka Clippers North. That nearly notched triple-double back in Cleveland was undoubtedly "Unstoppable Baby!"- esque.
50 games played --> 32 games missed
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Oh, snap! I was right! I thought for sure that I was wrong.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Wish The Warriors Would Dominate This Year But...................
Have you seen the Kings summer league lineup? They got a pretty good squad.I think we are going to be the bottom team of Northern California. Our team is a hot mess! : (
by slamson on Jul 7, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
by slamson on Jul 7, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah, no kidding
I can’t find any interesting Warriors news, articles, or updates to read or fanshot about. Well, 3 more days unti Summer League hits in Las Vegas.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 7, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
it is pretty telling that most warrior fans assumed Baron played fewer than half as many games as he actually played.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 7, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well,
when he ‘played’ he didnt play well.
He did the rarely seen, jack up several more three’s per game while watching his 3pt fg% drop to record lows.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 7, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only it were just the missed games...
Baron was beyond mediocre when he was on the floor. His field goal percentage was the lowest (by a the distance between LA and Oakland) of any starter in the NBA. He lacked explosiveness, or maybe it was a passing interest in the proceedings that he lacked.
Word is that he’s been in the gym daily since mid-May and that he’s in great shape. Hopefully he’ll be looking for a little redemption.
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by Steve Perrin on Jul 7, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we should trade for him then!
1 year rental to the clips
by mosdl on Jul 7, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
the media depictions and “common wisdom” would have you believe that BD missed the most games out of these 10 Warriors and Clippers players last year. That’s simply untrue.
By way of a conversation topic, how ’bout this: if you could rebuild the Warriors from scratch, factoring in age and contract terms, how would you rank the ten illustrious players AB1 listed, from most desirable to least? My personal rankings…
1. Biedrins (not a stud, obviously, but I think he’d fit well on almost any team)
2. Wright
3. Monta (the Curry kool-aid has basically weaned me off Moped)
4. Camby (good player and expiring contract)
5. Ricky Davis (expiring contract)
-—- (big drop-off)
6. Z-Bo (my least favorite player of the bunch, but he’s a big expiring in two years)
7. Baron
8. Kaman
9. Jackson
10. Maggette
But really, none of the above, at their current contracts, would particularly excite me. Give me Curry, Randolph, Turiaf, Morrow, and Azubuike — and $40-50M in cap space over the next couple of years — and I think I could put together a pretty solid team. (So long as I could spend half a mil or so to employ JAE…)
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nicely put,
I would take the top 4 contracts and not take the bottom 6(I would never take even a 1% chance that Ricky Davis was ever around the youngs on my team), if I had a team with an empty slate.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 7, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry not buying it
If it was a straw man then the majority of people would have an easy time pointing out that Baron Davis had the least games missed amongst the players listed. The poll results don’t indicate that at all.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I picked the right answer … but then, I totally cheated. D’oh!
But even if I hadn’t cheated, I think I still would have picked the right answer, or close. I think most fans of both Warriors South and Warriors North are aware that the main issue with BD last season was not so much missed games as missed shots, missed explosiveness, and missed effort.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I’d venture to say you’re not the only one who cheated in the vote. I bet you the right answer would get even less votes if we could somehow control for cheaters.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I would guess a good 25% of "Player D "voters are fellow cheaters. I really wanted to abstain, but it’s so hard not to answer a poll! I’m a shameless freeper.
The really interesting voters would be the ones who cheated and still didn’t vote for D…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted D, but as soon as I hit ‘vote’ I immediately wished I had voted E
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 7, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted D
For the GSoM record. ;-)
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted A...
But just to see the results. I still don’t really get the point of this whole discussion. “Baron missed a lot of games and played terribly in the games he was ‘healthy’ for, but Look!! there were a ton of guys that missed a ton of games on two of the worst teams in basketball!!”
Is it news that the teams that finish near the bottom usually have a lot of injuries? Is it okay that Baron performed at an embarrassing level because Andris took his time getting back from an ankle injury at the end of a hopeless season?
Is the point is to promote the idea of “blowing up” the team? Well if “blow it up” means trade our current players for better players, then I can definitely get behind that. If “blow it up” means get rid of these guys because they are all overpaid, well that’s not much of a strategy to build a winner.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 7, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got it right, purely because Atma’s pro-Baron mania made the least-injured option seem likely. But I certainly don’t put any stock in the poll results, nor in any conclusions you could draw from them even if they were accurate. Can Atma name the number of games Manu Ginobili missed off the top of his head? If not, does this disqualify him from discussing the attributes of Manu Ginobili?
Frankly, if I were a Clippers fan, I’d have preferred that Baron missed 57 games instead of 17. At least then I could console myself by thinking, “Well, it was just an injured season… he’s not really that bad.” With 65 games of terrible play, it’s a lot harder to make that argument.
by onlxn on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
The non-reply speaks louder than the reply.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the point is to promote the idea of "blowing up" the team? Well if "blow it up" means trade our current players for better players, then I can definitely get behind that. If "blow it up" means get rid of these guys because they are all overpaid, well that’s not much of a strategy to build a winner.
Very odd inference about blowing it up “because they are all overpaid”. Very odd.
No, blow it up because:
a) Even in the unlikely scenario that they’re all healthy- this Warriors roster isn’t very good.
b) They’re very injury prone. The reasoning being “if you think Baron Davis was really injured last season and missed a TON of games” then wait till you get a load of the games missed for the Warriors “big names”.
I honestly don’t think the point of this discussion is really that hard to grasp.
Next time I’ll try to write some fluff piece about how great this Warriors team will be when they’re all healthy next season. Or how they’ll be championship contenders once Biedrins develops that jumpshot that his fanboys have been promising me for several years now.
Maybe folks will get that.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Anthony Randolph grew and is now the best player ever. You could write about that.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
Very odd inference about blowing it up "because they are all overpaid". Very odd.
My point was that I’m all for trading any of the guys you mentioned if we can genuinely upgrade our talent (Amar’e for instance) but if your point is that after this season we can assume that Andris and Monta are now “injury prone” and we should try to dump them because they are not worth their contracts I don’t agree with that. I don’t think that is really hard to grasp. The question here is what exactly do you mean when you say blow it up. I have my own definition and I’m not sure it’s the same as yours.
No, blow it up because:
a) Even in the unlikely scenario that they’re all healthy- this Warriors roster isn’t very good.
Agreed, best case a borderline playoff team.
b) They’re very injury prone. The reasoning being "if you think Baron Davis was really injured last season and missed a TON of games" then wait till you get a load of the games missed for the Warriors "big names".
I think we all have a very good idea of how hard we were hit with injuries this year. I’m not sure that you can just assume that Andris, Jackson and Monta are “injury prone” now. Maggette has consistently missed games every year, so that’s not much of a surprise either. Evrybody knew that already, and it’s a big reason why 95% of the people here think that giving him that contract was a mistake (most debate has actually been about the degree of the mistake).
I honestly don’t think the point of this discussion is really that hard to grasp.
I understand what you wrote, but I don’t get your point. What does Baron have to do with anything? If your point is to discredit the common perception that Baron was either injured or playing very, very poorly for the entire season, well I don’t think you did that.
If your point was that our entire core is injury prone, I don’t think you really proved that either. It could be that we’ll continue to suffer a ton of injuries, but outside of Maggs and possibly Wright I don’t think you really made much of a case.
If your point is that even if healthy the team is not very good, while I agree with that point, I think you took one heck of a scenic route to get there. I’m not sure what most of your article has to do with that point.
Next time I’ll try to write some fluff piece about how great this Warriors team will be when they’re all healthy next season. Or how they’ll be championship contenders once Biedrins develops that jumpshot that his fanboys have been promising me for several years now.
Yeah, because clearly I’m begging for a fluff piece and not just looking for good honest analysis… That would totally satisfy all of us “fanboys” who spend all our time around here posting about how we will win a championship next season thanks to Andris shooting 45% from 3pt range.
Seriously? Maybe you should spend more time reading what the community actually has to say about these guys instead of setting up straw men to knock down. I know it feels good for you but it’s not very constructive.
Maybe folks will get that.
And a parting shot at my intelligence for good measure. Well done.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 8, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You wouldn’t want any of those players for their contracts? Really? Biedrins and Ellis are both young, locked up for a good number of years, and paid a pretty fair salary. You’re getting pretty decent value with them. Wright is cheap and has potential, so why not. Camby is a good one year rental. After that I’m with you…
by Missing Barry on Jul 7, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all those missed games and hideous defense NEITHER Biedrins nor Ellis were worth their money this past season. Both are looming injury concerns as well. Potential just means you have done anything (Wright).
Blow it up… Blow it up… Blow it up…
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Monta’s injury was a freak accident, no reason to think anything like that will happen going into the future (last year = sunk cost). Biedrins is less clear, but his contract is very affordable. Agree about potential with Wright, but considering how cheap he is, why not take a chance?
by Missing Barry on Jul 7, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta’s was a freak accident, but don’t think for a second that it’s all said and done. It was a lingering issue for him last season and it’s not like he made a miraculous and triumphant return to the 07-08 form. That was/ is a serious injury.
If your second highest contract is handed out to a player of Biedrins’ caliber, then you’ve most likely got some serious issues- which is exactly what the Warriors have.
And I somewhat actually agree on taking a chance with Wright. I’d even consider holding onto him over Stephen Curry in a deal for Amare Stoudemire, but that’s just because Curry has yet to even play a game in this league and good bigs (not saying Wright is there yet) are more valuable than guards.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the premise of Sleepy’s original thought is if he was rebuilding the Warriors from scratch, he wouldn’t want any of players given their contracts (or wouldn’t be excited by any of them, not sure if that’s the same thing). I agree that Biedrins shouldn’t be the 2nd best player/2nd highest paid player on the team, but given that he’s only making $9 million a year, that leaves a lot of money left over for more, better players, and in the end we know that $9 million is being put to good use because Biedrins is worth it.
As for Ellis’ injury, I’m not concerned about it anymore. It was serious, and caused him to miss a lot of time and he wasn’t able to return to form last year, but that’s often how serious injuries go. He didn’t have a chance to build himself back up to full strength after so much time off last season, so it’s understandable he wasn’t physically the same. With a full offseason (assuming he’s working hard), he should easily be able to build himself back up to where he was before.
So all I’m really saying is I think Ellis and Biedrins are good values if we were starting over from scratch, so I’d be more than happy with them + their current contracts going forward.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Even for Atma, this was unusually, shall we say… straw-manly.
As everyone knows, the problem with Baron last year wasn’t the 17 games he missed — it was the 65 he played, which featured
- .370 field goal shooting, easily the worst in basketball
- .302 three-point shooting, the lowest of anyone with more than 220 attempts (Baron took 328 in his 65 games)
- his worst rebounding rate in five years — not a great sign for a banged-up thirty-year-old
- the ninth-worst turnover rate of any starter, despite a slow team pace
- pitiful, pitiful, pitiful defense
- a plus-minus inferior to that of Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins
- a 17-48 record, a record MASSIVELY worse than that of our beleaguered Dubs
Atma, if you want to contend that we should’ve kept Baron, more power to you. But a word of advice: don’t use his play last season to support your argument. As a matter of fact, run screaming from any mention of his play last season. Because Baron was HORRIBLE.
by onlxn on Jul 7, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one in their right mind is going to sit here and claim Baron Davis had a great 2008-2009 campaign, but the media depictions and “common wisdom” would have you believe that BD missed the most games out of these 10 Warriors and Clippers players last year. That’s simply untrue.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guessed right
but although you can’t keep using injuries as excuses, you have to admit that last year was just ridiculous
by GSW9 on Jul 7, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this post is misleading
All the Veterans on the Dubs this year could have played more games. They did miss games but many of them were due to the fact that we were tanking after the halfway point in the season. Remember how we beat the Jazz with only SEVEN players?!?!
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
by XIAOXIAO on Jul 7, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this comment is misleading?!?!
Here’s another dose of Warriors homerism. We’re talking about 1-3 games at most that the Warriors vets sat out just because of “tanking” or as Nellie put it a way to look at how the other players on this roster (who didn’t deserve playing time in the first place). These guys were flat out injured and didn’t play because of it.
The Clippers did a fine job of “tanking” it last season by the way.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the homerism is just to counteract your
constant negativity whther it deserved or not! GO GSW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 7, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you forget an “e.”
And not the happy kind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We still believe!!
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by R Dizzle on Jul 8, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that Beans, Jackson, Maggs all could have returned earlier. Beans was healthy a few weeks before the end of the season but sat out anyways. Maggs’ “concusion” syndromes allowed him to go watch boxing/mma/? fights in LV instead of even showing up at home games. Jackson did not need to shut it down as he had been playing with a bad toe for months (more than a year?) already.
Also, Nellie and Riley purposely shut down Monta before the end of the season (even though he wanted to and more than likely could play) as there really was no point in having him play.
If that’s not taking, I don’t know what is
Oh, I do agree with you on the LAC. They’re spectacular at taking. Much more than we are.
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
by XIAOXIAO on Jul 7, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that Beans, Jackson, Maggs all could have returned earlier.
I’m not sure why you’re “pretty sure” when you’re pretty wrong here.
Beans was healthy a few weeks before the end of the season but sat out anyways.
Negative. Biedrins finished off the season. If he was just sitting out, don’t you think he would’ve sat out of the most meaningless games of the season?
Maggs’ "concusion" syndromes allowed him to go watch boxing/mma/? fights in LV instead of even showing up at home games.
Your timeline is off. The boxing/ mma/ fight attendance was during his knee rehab earlier in the season. The concussion was sustained later.
Jackson did not need to shut it down as he had been playing with a bad toe for months (more than a year?) already.
This one’s true. It does seem like Jack could’ve played although it would have been pointless.
Also, Nellie and Riley purposely shut down Monta before the end of the season (even though he wanted to and more than likely could play) as there really was no point in having him play.
How do you know it was “more than likely” he could play? Are you just making this up? He had a sore ankle and sat out.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Atma Brother 1
do you even like the Warriors anymore. I know it’s hard being a GSW fan sometimes but you are so negative about the team alot of times. We are not a championship team or anywhere near it right now but we do have some nice young and talented core to build around. Hang in there man.
by GSW9 on Jul 7, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of us have been hanging in for a long time. It gets old…
by Missing Barry on Jul 7, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny you bring that up
During the amazing We beleive run many of these guys were in here complaining how the team was messing up its draft pick and delaying the inevitable.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 7, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL GSW9
There’s a difference between being “negative” and telling it like it is. What do you Warriors homers/ employees want me to do?
Straight up lie to you and sugar coat the suck? This Cohan owned organization is a joke and this roster is going nowhere.
When I wrote this team was going to be horrible in my 2k8-2k9 season preview and predicted 30 wins, people said I was being negative. No, I was giving you my honest analysis. The team went on to win (drumroll)… 29 games.
Blow it up… Blow it up… Blow it up…
Trading for Amare Stoudemire tomorrow is a good place to start.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can call me a homer all you want
I’m a fan who stands by and loves Golden State no matter what. But if you trying to keep it real why don’t you say what Andris, Monta, and all the other Warriors do well more often. We were 29 and 53 last year. Ok that’s not a good season but there was many positives to take out of the season. All of our guys missed games for many reasons. Look at any team in the league and take there top 4 or 5 players away cause of injury and they are not good. Not saying we are a good team but with improvement and more a with our whole team together we could maybe make the playoffs. I team is not good but we are not as bad as our record. Is any one proud of our team? Probably not but I will always represent the Warriors no matter if they 0 and 82 or 82 and 0
by GSW9 on Jul 8, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading for Amare Stoudemire tomorrow is a good place to start.
I’m with you in the fact that I have very little faith in the current team, but at the same time when you start ‘blowing it up’ for the sake of blowing it up, you are making a poor decision. Amare does seem like a good trade but at what cost. I wouldnt give up Curry for, not neccesarily because I believe Curry will be Nash 2.0 but because he might be good AND he has the most trade value on the team at the moment. This is a summer to be patient and llok for a good trade to make some time between now and the trade deadline. Claxton’s contract will come in really handy.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 8, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you a Laker's fan?
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either one of two things are happening here
1) You really, really enjoying spamming. I’m sure you’ve got better things to do with your time, so that’s pretty sad.
2) You don’t know how to read. I’ve written countless times (some great jokes too I must add) how much the Lakers and their fans drive me nuts. I will admit though that they’re great to root against- way more so than the San Antonio Snores.
Please do us all a favor and quit littering the comments section with these pointless spammy one liners. Collect your thoughts and write something substantive. This is not a message board for Twitter-quality posts.
Take a look at the great stuff here in this thread if you need some examples. The majority of it is calling my analysis and opinions out too. That’s what this place is about.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No seriously someone told me you were a Lakers fan, and I was just wondering.
It is a yes or no question, and that is all.
You are on one today, sir.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure anyone who calls the Lakers the Fakers, is not a fan. Unless they are a fan of fakers. But that seems unlikely in this case, for some reason (that may or may not have to do with writing on and investing a lot of time in a Warriors blog).
by belilaugh on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't read a lot of his stuff anyways. The chance of me remembering details about his life:
Slim to none.
Yet he flatters himself by assuming I always read or remember his work while making personal judgments about the people that spend time here and support this site. That is what’s sad.
Nor can he distinguish between “Spamming” and “Trolling” which are actually two very different things.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 9, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a horrible post...
The concern with Baron wasn’t so much that he would be injury prone if we gave him a contract (you’d be a fool to think otherwise given his history), but that he would become lazy and complacent after he signed a long term big money deal.
Baron proved us all right.
07-08 – 21 ppg, 4.7 rebs, 7.6 ast, 2.8 TO, 42% FG, 33% 3pt, 75% FT
08-09 – 14.9 ppg, 3.7 rebs, 7.7 ast, 3.0 TO, 37% FG, 30% 3 pt, 75% FT
So while he did not miss as many games as everyone else listed dude was below average when he did play. All of the Warrior players were more effective than BD in the games that they played.
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by FLAxwless on Jul 7, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a horrible comment...
The concern with Baron wasn’t so much that he would be injury prone if we gave him a contract (you’d be a fool to think otherwise given his history)
I’m guessing you started watching the Warriors and the NBA in 2007-2008. The main reason why Baron Davis wasn’t extended right after that playoff run because of concerns that he was injury prone. People were genuinely shocked that he played 82 out of 82 games in 2007-2008. Rowell wanted to negotiate several “games played” clauses into Baron’s contract- this was the biggest fear.
The people Baron actually played with this season on the Clips after injuries were far worse than the roster on the Warriors this season. Don’t doubt for a second that he would’ve been far more effective in Nellieball on this team.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please bro been watching the Warriors since the days of Timmy and Mullin.
I remember the ghosts of Keith Jennings, Carlos Rogers, Clifford Rozier, Rony Siekaly, Terry Cummings, Vonteego Cummings, Bill Curly, Muggsy Bogues, BJ Armstrong, Mookie, and all those bums.
You know why BD played 82 games? It’s not because he suddenly became “more durable” but he sucked it up like a man in a potential contract year. Once he got paid by the Clippers those injuries he played through to reach 82 games became enough for him to miss games last season.
He became complacent and it showed through his play on the court and the games that he missed.
If anything bro it seems like you’re the one who’s only began watching the Dubs during our playoff run. You keep clinging to the We Believe Era like it would have carried us to a Championship. We went as far as we could with that team. In 07-08 Baron played the best basketball of his life and ever will play and we ended up short of the playoffs.
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by FLAxwless on Jul 7, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything bro it seems like you’re the one who’s only began watching the Dubs during our playoff run.
Right. How long have you been reading GSoM?
You keep clinging to the We Believe Era like it would have carried us to a Championship.
Well because it was the “championship” for a team that has missed the playoffs for 12 straight seasons. I’ll take a non-contending playoff team over this mostly unwatchable mess any day.
We went as far as we could with that team.
Untrue. Right after the playoffs which exposed the Warriors lack of a scoring/ defensive big man, especially at the 4, instead of adding an important piece they started blowing up the team in the name of “salary protection” and the “future”. That team was never “maxed” out as it never even got to play together for a full season.
In 07-08 Baron played the best basketball of his life and ever will play and we ended up short of the playoffs.
And that would be because of the silly Brandan Wright for Jason Richardson swap, the free agent “splash” of Troy Hudson and Austin Croshere, plus the cheap move of letting the $10 million trade exception expire. Don’t blame Baron for the Warriors missing the playoffs in 07-08. Blame Mullin, Cohan, and Rowell.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. How long have you been reading GSoM?
What’s the point of bragging about who has watched this horrid franchise the longest? It has nothing to do with the discussion and the fact that you attempted to cut my credibility with such an underhanded and uninformed personal attack instead of having a solid discussion shows that you have no business being a mod.
Well because it was the "championship" for a team that has missed the playoffs for 12 straight seasons. I’ll take a non-contending playoff team over this mostly unwatchable mess any day.
The We Believe Era was great and was THE happiest moment as a sports fan but you have to look at the circumstances of the We Believe Era and the 08-09 Woe-rriors. They are polar opposites of each other. Everything went perfect for the We Believe squad that finished the season 16-5 and made the playoffs ON THE FINAL DAY OF THE SEASON! That was a once in a lifetime energy that could never be duplicated even if the team had remained. Contrast that with the 08-09 season with injuries that devastated the team.
The point is we all saw the We Believe squad and the 08-09 Warriors for a short time. It makes no sense to continue to assume the We Believe Warriors would be the greatest thing since sliced bread after only half a season and it makes no sense to write off the current Warriors after one injury plagued season filled with injuries.
Like you so strongly adhere to the belief that the We Believe Warriors needed more time, let’s give the current Warriors time to prove their worth.
Untrue. Right after the playoffs which exposed the Warriors lack of a scoring/ defensive big man, especially at the 4, instead of adding an important piece they started blowing up the team in the name of "salary protection" and the "future". That team was never "maxed" out as it never even got to play together for a full season.
So after the playoffs exposed the Warriors weakness at the 4 spot due to not having a scoring/defensive big man what did the Warriors do? They traded from a position of strength (wings – Jackson and Monta are more than capable) to acquire a rookie 4 could potentially fill those problems. So it’s either the Dubs needed a 4 or don’t. Which is it?
Finding big men who can score and defend in the open market or through a trade is downright impossible (the 4s who can do both are franchise players). Once the KG trade fell apart the only route the Warriors could count on to fill the needs from the 4 spot would be to address it in the draft. What’s harder to find a SG who can dunk and shoot 3s or a big man who can score and defend?
And that would be because of the silly Brandan Wright for Jason Richardson swap, the free agent "splash" of Troy Hudson and Austin Croshere, plus the cheap move of letting the $10 million trade exception expire. Don’t blame Baron for the Warriors missing the playoffs in 07-08. Blame Mullin, Cohan, and Rowell.
I’m not blaming Baron for the failure of the Warriors but it is highly unlikely that Baron would have been able to repeat his effectiveness over 82 games again with the dangling carrot of a contract extension. Mullin, Cohan, and Rowell had strikes during the season but Baron isn’t without fault because it was he that chose to opt out (what a coincidence after he played 82 games) and sign with the Clippers.
I miss BD especially after we wasted the money on Maggette (equally injured and highly compensated), but if you look at the talent the Warriors have on the roster I’d say they’re in a better position to become a contending team with a potential superstar at the 4 spot in Randolph. Yes I said potential, but maybe you should heed your advice regarding the We Believe Warriors and give the YOUNGEST team in the NBA some TIME to mature and get healthy before we prepare ourselves for another 12 year drought.
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by FLAxwless on Jul 8, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need an edit option for replies..
I’m not blaming Baron for the failure of the Warriors but it is highly unlikely that Baron would have been able to repeat his effectiveness over 82 games again WITHOUT the dangling carrot of a contract extension. Mullin, Cohan, and Rowell had strikes during the season but Baron isn’t without fault because it was he that chose to opt out (what a coincidence after he played 82 games) and sign with the Clippers.
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by FLAxwless on Jul 8, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right about a playoff team being better than a lottery team but Chris Mullin’s best decision was to realize that Nellie, Baron, are temporary solutions and not the answer. At the end of the 2007-2008 season we were at one of the best places in the league. Chalk full of young talent, not too much salary commitment, and team the was still good enough to make a playoff run. Things fell apart when Rowell decided to take the controls from Mullin. I am not saying Mullin was the best gm or even a good gm, but he was getting better and we had a direction we were headed in. The plan was always to invest in Monta and Biedrins and the other young talent we had picked up to that point (Wright, Randolph, Azibuike Belinelli, Hendrix, and Watson). Baron, Jax, and Harrington were all expiring by 2010. While I dont know if that was Mullin’s exact plan, I think that was the way he setting it up.
Right after the playoffs which exposed the Warriors lack of a scoring/ defensive big man, especially at the 4, instead of adding an important piece they started blowing up the team in the name of "salary protection" and the "future". That team was never "maxed" out as it never even got to play together for a full season.
What do you realistically think would of happened had we kept JRich? Maybe second round of the playoffs if we got another nice matchup in the first round. The team was flawed. Exciting but not a true contender. Where did you find this “scoring/ defensive big man.”
silly Brandan Wright for Jason Richardson swap
Well we actually kind of got on in Brandan Wright, and gave up an overpaid wing that was easily replaced by Monta Ellis(the reigning MIP) and Azibuike. Its not a coincidence that everyone over at the Bright Side of the Sun is desperate to shed JRich. He is a solid 2 guard but grossly overpaid. I am not trying to rehash this argument, but the JRich for Wright trade was one of Mullin’s best moves.
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by warriorsscore110 on Jul 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right about a playoff team being better than a lottery team but Chris Mullin’s best decision was to realize that Nellie, Baron, are temporary solutions and not the answer…. Things fell apart when Rowell decided to take the controls from Mullin.
That’s just factually innaccruate. It was Chris Mullin who negotiated a long term deal for Baron Davis which Rowell negated.
The plan was always to invest in Monta and Biedrins and the other young talent we had picked up to that point (Wright, Randolph, Azibuike Belinelli, Hendrix, and Watson).
Lot’s of false assumptions there.
- Azubuike wasn’t even signed at that point.
- Belinelli didn’t look like NBA material at all at that point.
- NO ONE invests their future in a second pick (Hendrix)
- Watson was a D-Leaguer who barely played for the Warriors at that time.
The plan was never to invest in “this young talent.” There was no “plan” and there isn’t much “talent”.
Maybe second round of the playoffs if we got another nice matchup in the first round.
Um, that’s a great thing for the Warriors. That’s like winning the championship around these parts.
The team was flawed. Exciting but not a true contender.
To tell you truth it’s annoying to hear this mantra being repeated without any sense of logic. That was a flawed and entertaining PLAYOFF team. Now the Warriors are a deeply flawed and fairly unwatchable LOTTERY team. Why is it a good thing that they blew up a PLAYOFF team for a DISASTER? What non-championship playoff team doesn’t have its flaws?
I am not trying to rehash this argument, but the JRich for Wright trade was one of Mullin’s best moves.
Horrible, horrible move. The thinking that the move was made to give minutes to Monta Ellis and Azubuike also defies any understanding of the Warriors situation at that time. Anyway you slice it that was a silly trade. Both Nellie and Rowell have admitted in various capacities since then. Since you brought it up I’ll write up a piece on it and we can all discuss it in more depth.
And the Suns and their fans are in full tank and blow up mode (probably because they don’t know what it’s like to have a loser a la the Warriors of the past 2 decades), so don’t take what their opinions in this regard too seriously.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To tell you truth it’s annoying to hear this mantra being repeated without any sense of logic. That was a flawed and entertaining PLAYOFF team. Now the Warriors are a deeply flawed and fairly unwatchable LOTTERY team. Why is it a good thing that they blew up a PLAYOFF team for a DISASTER?
The side you’re disagreeing with in no way supports the way the team looks now, and I think you probably realize that. You’re simplifying the timeline in a way that maximizes your outrage, at the expense of logic. What I’d argue, as would many others here, I believe, is that the team’s situation got significantly better post-“We Believe”, only to be ruined by several ass-headed moves last year.
In the summer of ‘07, before the draft and the J-Rich/Wright trade, we were coming off the high of “We Believe” and loving life. It’s my belief, however, that the team was not in great shape going forward. There wasn’t much size, nor much financial flexibility, and we had too many shooting guards… we weren’t a surefire playoff team for the next year, and we didn’t have all that many chips to improve our stock. Let’s put a number on this, for the sake of argument. If 10 means “surefire championship contender with a bright, flexible future”, and 1 means “Isiah’s worst Knicks team”, we were hovering around a 5.5. Okay team, but with a fairly low ceiling, and not many clear paths to improving.
A year later, I’d put us at about a 7. The priciest and most overpaid shooting guard had turned into cap room and a promising young power forward… Monta had developed as hoped… Jack and Al’s contracts were a year closer to expiring. Baron’s situation was up in the air, but overall, we were in extremely good shape. We were in position to keep Baron if we wanted or dump him for cap space if we wanted; either way, we’d have Monta, Biedrins, Azubuike, Wright and enough attractive contracts to trade to acquire someone really, really good. This was a great position to be in, in my estimation the best position the team had been in in the last fifteen years. Plenty of youth, plenty of flexibility, and the team was pretty good — better, in my opinion, than the “We Believe” team.
Things went to hell, of course:
- Maggette was signed for too much money (I don’t regard this as a disaster, but it proved counterproductive)
- Monta stupidly hurt himself
- Al was stupidly traded for Jamal Crawford
- Jack was stupidly extended
By season’s end, we were around a 3.5, worse than we’d been two years previous. But none of that was a result of the decisions through June of 2008. We got ourselves into a good position, then let an injury and three bad personnel moves unravel it. That sucks, and I don’t like it either. But none of that’s a denunciation of where we were a little over a year ago. It’s a denunciation of how we’ve handled things since. (To be fair, this summer has started decently… I’d say the Crawford dump and drafting of Curry already have us on the rebound.)
You’re arguing that the last two years of moves have us worse than we are, and that that’s a denunciation of everything that’s happened since we lost to Utah. That’s silly… those two years of moves didn’t happen all at once. In my estimation, we had a year of very smart moves followed by a year of very dumb moves. You obviously won’t agree, and your numbers on my arbitrary scale would surely look quite different. But on my side, I have the continued strength of the ‘07-’08 team, Monta’s superiority to J-Rich that season and the fact that J-Rich hasn’t even seemed to help anyone he’s played for the past couple years. On your side, you just have anger, and nostalgia.
by onlxn on Jul 8, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“The main reason why Baron Davis wasn’t extended right after that playoff run because of concerns that he was injury prone.”
Let’s be fair here. This is true. But, FLAxwless does have a point, there are also serious concerns about Baron’s motivation. We have happy memories from We Believe, but do we remember Baron’s time on the W’s before Nellie? There was some serious tension between Baron and Monty, and it ended poorly for all parties involved. My sources (yes, that’s right, I have sources!) have told me that some people within the W’s organization were none too pleased with the way Baron more or less hung Monty out to dry, ignoring him and basically doing whatever he [Baron] felt like. Not to mention Baron’s history with the Hornets (that lead to him being shipped out for similar reasons).
“Don’t doubt for a second that he would’ve been far more effective in Nellieball on this team.”
True, Nellie seems to be the one coach that a.) knows how to use Baron effectively and b.) Baron will actually listen to. Those motivational concerns I was talking about before – they came out in full force this past season. Everyone knew the Dunleavy/Baron situation wasn’t going to work out, and just like Baron’s past history with every non-Don Nelson coach, it didn’t. Baron definitely would have had a better season here, but what happens after Nellie’s gone? I’m as sick of the Warriors management as you, but I have to say I’m happy Baron wasn’t signed long term.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atma, We Get It
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Atma, you miss We Believe. Every post you make seems to mention it and the “Horrendous” trade for Brandan Wright But guess what, Jason Richardson, as much as you love him and his dunking abilities, is a dime a dozen wing. Sure he can shoot and he isn’t a bad rebounder, and he gave his 150% percent every night, but he was a flawed player. J-Rich’s handles were spotty, his defense average at best, and you can’t act like he didn’t have character flaws either. He smashed his girlfriend’s head into the wall and he drove his kid at 90 miles an hour with his seatbelt off.
Say what you want about Monta Ellis and making a dumb mistake out mopeding and lying his ass off about it, but J-Rich has put loved ones in danger and could have killed his child with his recklessness.
We won 48 games with J-Rich gone, Atma! When Biedrins went down with appendicitis, Wright stepped up and was our starting center and put up solid stats till the end of the year. Wright was playing at a great level this year when the Don let him see the floor, but injuries plauged him this year. Don’t write off Wright as a bust yet, he’s been in the league only two years, and he has shown that at the least, he can be a solid 6th man off the bench that can score in bunches and give some shot blocking. If Wright hits his full potential, he can be a 17/10 player in this league.
And as for Baron, as many have pointed out before, Baron shot 37% from the field, the lowest in the league! Baron got overweight and lazy over the summer and it showed during the season. I’m not the biggest fan our team right now, Maggette was a huge waste of money and is not the type of player we need, Jackson sucks, but Baron is not the answer to our problems.
by CABANG on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
CABANG you don't get it
Not only is your comment the product of very uninformed homerism, but it has very little to do with the discussion at hand.
What I miss are good thoughtful comments.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m uninformed now? Oh please tell me how Baron Davis was not as bad as the media portrayed him to be?
by CABANG on Jul 7, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please tell me how Baron Davis was not as bad as the media portrayed him to be?
Why would I tell you that when it’s not what I or the article above is even contending?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 7, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you tried to contend is that Baron’s injury problems were not as bad as some of the Warriors players, but I guess my question is this, what point are you trying to make by pointing out that Baron was healthier than some of our players? Baron no longer has anything to do with the Warriors at this point.
by CABANG on Jul 7, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I miss are good thoughtful moderators
Atma, you are obviously entitled to your opinion, etc, but saying this to a well thought out response:
“Not only is your comment the product of very uninformed homerism, but it has very little to do with the discussion at hand. What I miss are good thoughtful comments.”
This is just flat out wrong.CABANG’s post was germane, your response was smug and dimissive. When the people running net communities adopt a condescending tone towards participants, the communities usually die.
ES
by Free Zarko on Jul 8, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
"dismissive"
sorry, i am on a crappy euro keyboard
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by Free Zarko on Jul 8, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it wasn’t germane at all. CABANG finally got it in his last comment (I’m guessing that was when he/ she finally decided to read carefully before posting), but by then I lost interest in responding.
When the people running net communities adopt a condescending tone towards participants, the communities usually die.
Sorry man. It gets really old sifting through endless rants, etc. from commenters who haven’t done their HW. It’s a waste of everyone’s time. Everything in CABANG’s first post was peripheral to the key point at hand and I’ve literally discussed my viewpoints on those issues over a dozen times.
And I’m not a “moderator”. This is not a message board.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admin..... Moderator..... E-peen flexor.... Whatever.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet. I guessed it right too.
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by ejdacanay on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Atma-
Your posts are fun, but they’re like Bill O’Reilly fun. It’s painfully hilarious to see how far you’ll go to assert personal opinions as fact. I appreciate you trying to clean up this site and everything, but this “Troy Murphy without a jump shot” garbage? You’re a moderator writing for the front page, you can do better than this.
There was this fellow a couple of weeks ago riding Byron Eaton’s jock- Eaton is supposedly a great defender, great shooter, super quick on the drive… you’d think this guy must be in the running for MVP! Nope, Eaton straight up sucks, and the guy’s just spouting his love for Eaton. This is what your “analysis” sounds like.
Using this kind of “analysis”… I could say Lebron’s a Malone with no post game…
Paul’s a midget Nash with a mediocre jumper…
Baron, JRich, and Stephen make an aging, tremendously flawed 1/2/3 combo… or perhaps a dynamic force that can shoot the lights out against the strongest defenses?
Maybe you’re right- maybe the We Believe squad was better. If that’s the case, you should be able to show it objectively, instead of listing everything negative about Biedrins (without mentioning once his ability to get boards and put the ball in the bucket) and putting the We Believers on a pedestal.
How do you expect your readers to write thoughtful comments when you start things off by bludgeoning them to death with opinion?
by antihero on Jul 8, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
"Troy Murphy without a jump shot"
this "Troy Murphy without a jump shot" garbage? You’re a moderator writing for the front page, you can do better than this.
You’re right I can. Some FACTS.
Troy Murphy in 2008-2009
- 14.3 ppg and 11.8 rpg
- Jumpshot: 45.0% 3pt and 82.6% FT
Andris Biedrins in 2008-2009:
- 11.9 ppg and 11.2 rpg
- Jumpshot: 0.0% 3pt and 55.1% FT
“Troy Murphy without a jump shot” seems pretty dead on to me.
Here come the Biedrins fanboys with their infinite Dunleavy-level excuses…
If that’s the case, you should be able to show it objectively, instead of listing everything negative about Biedrins (without mentioning once his ability to get boards and put the ball in the bucket) and putting the We Believers on a pedestal.
“everything negative about Biedrins” was not listed in this article. That’s quite an exaggeration. Please read more carefully. Thanks.
How do you expect your readers to write thoughtful comments when you start things off by bludgeoning them to death with opinion?
Maybe with them reading more carefully and not being such homers?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FACTS are FACTS (except when they're opinions in disguise)
It’s easy to make stats sing your tune. Especially when you throw out every bit of statistical evidence contrary to your argument, such as
career rebounds/36 (12.1 for AB vs. 10.5 for TM)
career FG% (.604 for AB vs. .443 for TM)
career blocks/36 (1.9 for AB vs. 0.5 for TM)
How about a nice dose of personal attacks to top it off? Everyone on this site who disagrees with your logic is a “fanboy” or “uninformed homer” who needs to “read more carefully”.
by antihero on Jul 8, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Too many dumb Baron haters!
I’ve never understood the Baron-hating Monta lovers.
When Baron came to the Bay, he singlehandedly TRANSFORMED the culture and fortunes of this franchise. Hell, he transformed Oracle from a dead beat sit-on-their-hands-crowd to the “Roaracle.”
I went to games that first week of Baron’s arrival. There was an electricity he brought that had been missing. And his absence was unbelievably felt last year! You unbelievably retarded GSW fans should be kissing his feet with nothing but warm fuzzy good things to say about him.
You are the same tards who balk another trade for a game-changing presence like Amare, hung up on some 4th rated small school PG tweener who hasn’t played a lick!! TRADE Biedrins/Wright/Curry for Amare! Keep Rocky!
by RowellMustGo on Jul 8, 2009 1:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look, I appreciate Baron’s role in the We Believe team as much as anyone, but there’s a very good argument that not signing him long term was the right move for this franchise.
“he singlehandedly TRANSFORMED the culture and fortunes of this franchise.”
We Believe was fun. Clearly you don’t realize that Baron’s first full season here was 2005-2006. That was not a fun year. Baron sucked. TS% under 49%. Highest assist rate of his career, sounds good, except he did that because he dominated the ball and refused to get us into any offensive sets whatsoever. No D. Completely mailed it in for the season. Didn’t get along with or listen to his coach, which has been true of every single coach he’s had except for Nellie.
Again, I appreciate what Baron has done, but with his injury history (only played more than 67 games once in the last 7 years) and questionable motivation, a long term contract would have been a terrible idea (as the Clippers are finding out). So just cool it a little bit, because you’re way off base.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this include games that Baron gave up on?
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, does your list of Warriors account for games where they were held out for
bogus injuries by Nelson the Tinkerer. Aside from the Ellis situation I’m pretty sure that Nelson did far more experimentation with his roster than MDSr.
How many different starting lineups were there?
Every player that got injured on the Warriors this year was held out longer than was needed.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, issue me a warning...... what for? Seems like a MODERATOR is a little cranky today.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 warnings now?
If you have something to say you have my e-mail and can quit with the big brother routine.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the warning (one of the generic rinse and repeats):
Comments on GSoM need to be of substance. Please collect your thoughts into one substantive comment before posting several short ones with poor grammar, spelling, or capitalization.
As you can see the request was not followed… at all.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was an edit option then it wouldn't be an issue... at all.
Seems like you’ve targeted me (of all the illiterate posters on here) for some reason.
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Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually that warning has been issued to tons of commenters probably close to a hundred times. “Illiterate posters” are you call them are being banned and their comments are being hidden.
Since this doesn’t seem to be clear to you, take a look back at the several comments in this thread which you posted which are essentially spammy several words. That has nothing to do do with an Edit Option. That has to do with collecting your thoughts into substantive comments.
Please take this offline if you still have any questions— goldenstwarriors@gmail.com
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by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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