Why the Amare Trade Is Back on the Table
by RayAlmeda on Jul 8, 2009 12:21 AM PDT
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I have my sources and won't name them obviously, but let's just say that the Warriors' circle of trust is widened already internally. I've heard a summing up of internal talk within the Warriors organization has been talking about this trade pointing to a bigger bottom-line for the Warriors.
Let me explain.
Andris Biedrins - a fantastic NBA rebounder who's still extremely young, yet still versatile.
Marco Belinelli - a NBA sharpshooter that has the ability to take over games with flash, but we've yet to see it on a consistent basis.
Brendan Wright - the "guy" we traded Richardson for due to a failed Wolves/Garnett trade.
The NBA all knows that we're dandling these guys. Talk has it that we're getting more trade offers than meets the eye. Just not any of em are getting close to reality, but players like Josh Smith, Carlos Boozer and Shawn Marion have all been discussed.
Why is this so important for the Warriors?
Teams now see who's on the Warriors trading block. And the sudden anxiousness of a team looking for the playoffs have gotten the Suns scared that they might not possess enough time to made an Amare deal (one that MUST be done due to obvious reasons) BEFORE the Warriors actually pull the trigger on something else.
It's evident why the media keeps talking about Steve Kerr denying certain claims of a trade at all. The Amare Stoudemire trade to the Suns was always on the table and neither team has yet to back out of the trade. This was recently revealed by Kerr on Tuesday morning on Arizona radio.
Let's see how long the Warriors will be holding their cards, because the Suns' trade offer suddenly isn't the only trade they're working around the clock to get done.
My personal opinion? Two unproven stars and a young solid-center for a top-flight, all-star forward?
I want to win now. Get Amare LONG-TERM deal cheap, add a draft pick for next year and make the deal with Phoenix. Nelson could be the ultimate call. But we all know he's patient. Very patient.
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Couldnt agree more man
Warriors need to do something and Im very excited to hear if its true that the Warriors are active in trade talks.
Lets hope something happens within a few days (seeing as the 8th is tomorrow)
Lets go Riley
by CSalMJS on Jul 8, 2009 12:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare Not Worth the Risk (Health or Attitude / Chemistry or Defenselessness)
Amare has succeeded in the past based on his athleticism … but health-wise, he is now an old 26, and that athleticism is already deteriorating … ergo too risky health-wise …
Amare wasn’t happy playing with great teammates like Nash / Marion / Shaq … how’s he going to act playing with the W’s … much too risking for the W’s young team chemistry …
Finally, Amare doen’t play defense, so the W’s have to keep Biedrins regardless for any semblance of defense … would have to throw someone else instead of Biedrins … someone like Maggette …
Maggette+Wright+Belinelli for Amare would be OK …
by JJC on Jul 8, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
suns did alright outscoring teams, maybe we can do better?
by Young Moolah on Jul 8, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Though the Suns aren’t likely to take that. But they might be enticed by adding Turiaf.
If not, I’m fine with the deal falling through. Or, how about your combination of players for Kirilenko?
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Jul 8, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me why is it soo………… that are keep watching this franchise. No No No No No No.
Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
by Sinigang on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
by Sinigang on Jul 8, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh no, here we go again with the Amare trade arguments
At this point, I’m just going to sit back and let it ride.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 8, 2009 1:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thats what i'm saying
I'm gametime_gsw, and I approve this message.
by gametime_gsw on Jul 8, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Get Amare LONG-TERM deal cheap, add a draft pick for next year and make the deal with Phoenix."
ummm…
we traded it already for Marcus Williams.
by AJ.Stylez on Jul 8, 2009 2:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he was talking about US getting the draft pick.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jul 8, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems the Warriors have all the leverage in trade talks. No need to rush a deal, work what they can while fielding as many potential offers as possible and put pressure on the Suns. They HAVE to trade Amare. Going forward with the talent we have now isn’t the worst fallback, so we should be able to make some trade (be it Amare or someone else) at our price.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 7:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agree, but in the short not long term – our leverage only lasts as long as there isn’t another suitor for Amare … we should find out relatively soon one way or the other though, as the Suns probably have to find another deal if it’s not ours
… interesting that Cavs didn’t prefer Amare to Shaq, maybe they didn’t have the right pieces or something else was going on internally (perhaps a GSW deal was in place all along & that’s why there’s been no scuttle about other suitors?) but it’s odd that given an apparent opportunity the Cavs wouldn’t prefer Amare …
by hardcore on Jul 8, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq/Amare
Good point, if you wanted to rent a player for a year why didnt they take Amare over Shaq?
Do they think Shaq ia a better fit for them that Amare would of been even if it was for one year?
I think it was a mistake on the part of the Cavs, because both Shaq and Amare go off the cap next anyway, and they need money to sign LB, but if LB walks, then they could of tried to sign up Amare in a deal? because Shaq has seen his better days and is on his way out, he will milk it for all he can get now and then be gone in a year or two, he’s done:
And the Suns would rather of gotten rid of the big contract first anyhow, on the other hand, the Caves didnt have enougfh to trade for Amare anyway, Shaq was easy. The Suns knew that Amare would bring a lot more than Big Ben
But if they had the chance to get Amare over Shaq they should of done it, he would of been worth of few of their plyers for many reason.
by ForestGrump on Jul 8, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but which suitors are really left?
I completely agree with you, and I’m sure we’re not the only ones inquiring about Amar’e. But I really think the options for the Suns have somewhat dwindled in the last few weeks. There’s not many teams left out there that could afford to bring Amar’e in and have a package of good young pieces to give back to the Suns.
As much as I’d like to keep Beans, I’d have assume that the promise of 2 young bigs in Wright and Beans is a far more attractive package than most other teams could swing at this point. That combined w/ a Swing that can handle the ball, and is known as a sharpshooter. I couldn’t see many other Squads offering that up.
As for Amar’e, I think it he’ll realize that he thrives in the type of offense that the Dubs run. It’s the ideal system, the way the Suns USED to play. And Amar’e wants to be the man. Which he would be here…(Until Randolph develops into the All-Star we all want him to be a few years down the road, and Amar’e gets shipped out..haha)
by esco41510 on Jul 8, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the Shaq/Amare Question....
Shaq and Lebron have a Big Bro/Little Bro relationship…not to mention Shaq is much better suited for the half court system the Cavs run, and a MUCH better passer than Amar’e.
by esco41510 on Jul 8, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cavs would have had to gut the team for Amare.
They didn’t have to for Shaq. Amare’s trade value is much higher. Look at what we are giving up for him. The CAV’s have very little to offer. I know its hard to believe but the Warriors actually have much more talent and pieces to trade than the Cavs. Other than LeBron what is there, really?
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 8, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might be that
The Suns wouldn’t make the same trade for Amare that they would for Shaq. Maybe they would have wanted more for Amare then they did for Shaq, so Clevland just stuck with the Shaq deal.
by freerandolph on Jul 8, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway to get it done
Get Amar’e to the Bay Area. This dude will make the We Believe campaign look lethargic. He is everything and anything the Warriors have been craving for since Rick Barry mojo left him and he left/retired.
by sjboy on Jul 8, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
barry didn't retire when he left oaktown
he and the front office couldn’t come to contract terms in his last year and he lost faith that they were trying to build a championship team. he thought he’d have a better chance for the trophy in Hou, then found out the grass wasn’t greener with their coach and system.
comparing stoudemire to barry raises serious doubts that you ever watched hoops thirty years ago—barry is one of the top players ever at his position and had all-around skills he applied to making his teams better, including ball handling, passing, defense, which are beyond stoudemire’s vocabulary. it’s o.k. for the present day fan to love those highlight dunks but please don’t confuse them with elite level hoops.
by the.monk on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barry, hands down better than Amare:
No contest, Barry was a top 10 player of all time on my list: and we never got to see all his better days because of the CBA
He was the consummate player, he never had a great supporting cast, he was a long star wofr most of his career.
Not dissen on Amere, he could still pull it out and be high on that list, but he willhave to be a Warrior to prove it first =)
by ForestGrump on Jul 8, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
random...sorry
Curry
Jackson
Wallace
Randolph
Stoudemire
by bojangles408 on Jul 8, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Monta to CHA for Gerald Wallace?
I actually kinda like that lineup. Wallace makes up a bit for some of Amare’s defensive shortcomings. Rotate ‘Buike and Morrow at 2 and 3, and Turiaf at 5. I still think we might need a solid vet backup PG (someone better than Law) and a backup C/PF who’s a rebounding fool (Gooden?)
But overall, the goal of decreasing the “quantity” of talent and increasing the quality will have been achieved.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that scenario, you could just re-sign CJ. He’s not the defense-first type that you might ideally want to complement Curry with, but he’s a good backup who probably wouldn’t cost us much. Maggette would presumably still be around in this scenario… maybe your backup power forward is Gerald Wallace himself, who can capably play the 4 as well as the 3. Minutes might look like this:
PG: Stephen Curry (32), CJ Watson (16)
SG: Stephen Jackson (32), Anthony Morrow (16)
SF: Gerald Wallace (12), Corey Maggette (28), Kelenna Azubuike (8)
PF: Anthony Randolph (30), Gerald Wallace (18)
C: Andris Biedrins (30), Ronny Turiaf (18)
Still one more wing than is necessary… maybe we could move ‘Buike for a draft pick or something. But I’d LOVE that team. Plenty of rebounding, a decent amount of toughness, and a clear path for Curry to shine if he’s able.
by onlxn on Jul 8, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah
I forgot about freaking Maggs. I wish we could just cut him and give 14 of his minutes to Kelenna and the other 14 to a “rebounding fool” (with Wallace sliding back to 3).
Part of what I love so much about a Kirilenko deal is that his contract is so big it allows us to jettison Maggs and still have our trading partner feel like it got some salary relief.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean C: Andris Biedrins (30) C: Amare Stoudemire (30) of course?
I for one am not quite ready to hand the keys to Curry just yet; I’d like to see him play an NBA game or two first. If we could land Sessions with the MLE I’d be ecstatic, but Milwaukee is in good position to match <$7m. I think I like a Monta for Wallace straight-up deal, but I can’t help but think Monta has higher perceived value because of his high PPG potential.
Monta + Maggs for Wallace + Nazr Mohammed + Raja Bell + future pick? Not a popular trade for the average fan, methinks, but…
by ffgolden on Jul 8, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amar’e instead of Biedrins, ya. Thankya. And I’d TOTALLY do that revised Charlotte trade.
by onlxn on Jul 8, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we might need a solid vet backup PG
We’d also need a starting PG other than that rookie or we’d waste the instant potential of Amare.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 8, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sucks...short term gratification....
we will loose the center we have needed for years, we loose depth and chemistry and the future…….this guy better be healthy and great for the next 4 years….only way its worth it.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 8, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"I want to win now."
We could win without Amare.
The end.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jul 8, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More thoughts...
Good seeing more feedback on this subject, but I wanted to clarify a few things.
If we do find a “replacement” for Curry in the trade deal and it’s a draft pick… it doesn’t have to be next year because of the pick we gave up in the Marcus Williams trade. A pick from a couple years from now, maybe if it’s conditional.
And me wanting to “win now”? I’m not talking about winning, a winning record, or making the playoffs. I’m talking about winning a championship. Look at what Boston did with a few trades. Maybe it’s not Ray Allen and Garnett we’re trading for, but evidence shows that a LOT of teams are trying to win now. That’s why the NBA has about 8-10 teams seriously contending in the west and everyone else just tanking it mid-season.
Anyone see the moves that San Antonio and Portland’s been making?
San Antonio wants to win now because they’re not sure of Duncan’s longevity. Portland’s trying to win now because they have pieces to make a serious run. Both are trying to take down the Lakers. No wonder Portland’s actively been trying to get Odom.
As young as we are, the NBA hasn’t figured our crazy offensive schemes yet. If we can keep everyone guessing, like the Cavaliers did last year (cmon – Lebron was the only real consistent threat on that team and certainly still made things work without a true, legitimate #2 scorer on a Top-Seeded team), we have a shot to not just make it, but take it far with Stoudemire.
Biedrins for Stoudemire long-term. If so, do the deal.
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by RayAlmeda on Jul 8, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you sound vaguely like a sjmercury writer of some notoriety
I have my sources and won’t name them obviously
;)
oh ya, and agreed on all the above
by hardcore on Jul 8, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m talking about winning a championship.
Not with Don Nelson as our coach.
We could add/ trade for all the talent in the world, but if your head coach doesn’t care about the emphasis of consistent team defense , then there is no way in hell we could even wish for a championship.
Why do you think the Lakers won the championship this year? Because Kobe strongly encouraged consistent team defense and the rest of the team followed. 2 seasons ago Kobe knew they had enough talent on the team to win it all, but the reason Boston whooped their behinds was because he knew they were the best defensive team in the NBA that year.
Exciting basketball? Sure, Nellie can grant us that. Possible playoff run again? Maybe.
Drama with the organization? Hell to the yes Nellie can give that to us.
A possible NBA Championship contender? Heck no.
If we had a coach like Rick Barry or Jerry Sloan running this team, or if the team as a whole ignored Don Nelson and committed to playing team defense, then yes, we can talk about a possible championship run.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jul 8, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Barry had difficulties getting along with people everywhere he went. He was a mediocre CBA coach. I have no idea what there is to recommend him as a coach other than that he was a very good player. That alone isn’t enough.
He listens to Celine Dion, exactly what you want in terms of relating to players. Preaching defense isn’t the same as getting players to believe in it.
by jae on Jul 8, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celine Dion?
What a bubble burster. I was expecting Cash or something a bit more gritty.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Barry for Coach
I would take Rick in a new york second !!
Rick knows talent and how to mold it together, AA may of been the head coach back then but Rick brought that whole team around him together:
His personalty rubs people the wrong way at times, but he would be great with the players.
My openion:
by ForestGrump on Jul 8, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
It’s times like this that I wish I had a clever pic like that to post…
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jul 8, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
stick to Joaquin Phoenix lol
Stop.......... Hammertime!!!!!
by MR. Bigshot 123 on Jul 10, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense is about players.
did you know that the Mavs defense actually got worse (in terms of efficiency) the 1st year that Avery Johnson took over full time(from 9th to 11th)?
the reason they averaged 93.1 ppg instead of 96.8 with Nelson and fooled all the fans and media types is because Avery made them a walk the ball up team (pace went from 9th fastest under Nelson to 26th fastest under Avery).
The year before Nelson’s last, they were 26th in efficiency. Did Nelson all of a sudden emphasize defense in his coaching? or was it b/c Nash left, he’d traded Jamison for Devin Harris, Stackhouse & Laettner, then moved Laettner & Najera for Dampier & traded Antoine Walker & Tony Delk for Jason Terry, Alan Henderson & a 1st round pick?
When Nellie’s had good defensive players, his team has been good at defense (Knicks team was 3rd in d. efficiency, Bucks had years when they were 1st like 81-82), when he’s had average ones like the Sprewell, Avery, Webber, Billy O Warriors, he’s been average (13th) and when he’s had bad defenders like last year (28th), he’s had bad defensive teams.
efficiency #’s found by clicking the team via http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/nelsodo01c.html
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
How can Stoudemire really have doubts he wouldn't have pieces here @ dub land
I remember reading an article that said he thought there wouldn’t be enough pieces left to be a good team after the trade. Maybe he means he can’t handle being the center because for sure we all know how much firepower we still have after handing over Biedrins/Wright/Belli.
by bojangles408 on Jul 8, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that article was written by MTII for the contra costa times
It’s true that Amar’e thought we were giving up too much, and he did also say that he doesn’t want to play center. Basically losing Biedrins is too much in his opinion. If we could keep Biedrins and still get Amar’e he’d come here. Why not Maggette,Turiaf and BWright or Marco or Law for Amar’e?
We would keep Randolph Biedrins Jackson Azubuike Morrow Curry Ellis and Marco or BWright. So even if Amar’e did opt out after one year, we’d still have a good team. Or if we do well enough, he may not even opt out because the economy sucks and we’d still pay him 17 mil for another season. I think if we can pull that trade off we would only want Amar’e for 2 years anyway. AR would be sort of like Odom for us. He would come in for either Amar’e or AB and which ever one is left on the court plays center.
Monta/Steph
Marco or Morrow/Buike
Jack/Buike
Amar’e/AR/Buke
AB/Amar’e
or
Monta/Steph
Morrow/Buike
Jack/Buike
Amar’e/AR/BW
AB/Amar’e/BW
If Phoenix goes for this trade, I’m down.
by myk on Jul 8, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Maggette,Turiaf and BWright or Marco or Law for Amar’e?
i dare you to try posting that over at:
and see what kind of reaction you get
by hardcore on Jul 8, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really better to use the “quote” box than to use the title line when you’re posting.
by jae on Jul 8, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you an IRS auditor by profession?
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 8, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Profession? That would imply that I have a job, which hasn’t been true since last November.
No, just someone who doesn’t understand why some people seem to try to make their posts less intelligible.
by jae on Jul 8, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"which hasn’t been true since last November"
Sorry to hear that, man
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 8, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they wouldn't do that trade
that’s why this trade isn’t going to happen. Amar’e and the Warriors think they’re giving up too much for him as the trade stands now, I feel the same way
by myk on Jul 8, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Rebounding centers with solid cleanup production and a decent pick and roll are hard to come by. Looking at FA over the next two years makes a Biedrins for Amare trade even scarier.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be hilarious. Just offering it to them shows how little respect we (or Nelson) has for Kerr’s position in these talks.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy. not everybody views the Warriors pieces the way Warriors fans do.
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Far from rock solid sources,
but my buddy’s roommate’s 3rd cousin’s postman (ok really just my buddy’s roommate) saw Nellie and Amare grabbing a beer at the Delancey St. Restaurant 2 weeks ago. At least they’re talking…
by Gob on Jul 8, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
thats huge!!!
Judge: "In the case of 3 month old Tracie Taylor, we find that Dirk Nowitzki .... IS the father!"
Dirk [in Hassellhoff accent]: "That baby don't look like me!"
by AR4 on Jul 8, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lies. I thought Nelly was a scotch guy?
by rjnarayen on Jul 8, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Nellie looks like he’s celebrating his escape from Alcatraz
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 8, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My sources (read: multiple)
are working internally for the Warriors. It’s chatter that’s been going down only for the past week and clearly shows support for Ric Bucher’s latest hearing of rumblings the past couple of days.
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by RayAlmeda on Jul 8, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
F'sho
I think the Warriors are tryna work a trade that leaves us with Biedrins, Monta, Randolph, Morrow, and Curry. Probably add Jack to that list. If they can get Amar’e with a combination of Maggette, Turiaf, and either Wright/Belinelli/Law, we do the trade, otherwise I don’t see it happening.
This way Amar’e plays PF not center like he prefers, and we keep our core in tact. This is probably the only way Amar’e does the trade as well.
by myk on Jul 8, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
what? No way PHX does that deal without Biedrins.
by Gob on Jul 8, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That trade would be very unbalanced in favor of us, and if the Suns aren’t getting at least SOMETHING worthy back, they won’t even consider the trade.
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by JustSomeName on Jul 8, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two sides have to agree to a trade. Obviously we’d agree to what you’re saying, but think about it from the Suns perspective? Would they agree to that? No chance.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't think this trade is happening
Amar’e and the Warriors don’t want to give up certain things to get him here. The Suns want at least one of those pieces. AR, AB, Monta, Curry. The Warriors are tryna make a trade without those pieces leaving. Amar’e doesn’t want to play center, the warriors would rather lose andris and keep AR, I just don’t see this working.
by myk on Jul 8, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually don’t think the Suns are all that interested in Monta. unless they’re able to move Jason Richardson and/or Barbosa.
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't directed at you
I just wanted to share that bit of info and figured this was as good a place as any. Hoping like hell your sources are onto something though.
by Gob on Jul 8, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gob
I know… was responding back to hardcore up there. :-)
Interesting. I’ve heard of Amare being in the Bay before (walking around with two model-ish girls in downtown SF), but didn’t know it was that recent. Seems to me that the Suns are the ones covering things up here, not Amare. Interestingly enough though… the Suns aren’t denying anything. They’re not even denying what the Warriors are doing based on Kerr’s radio interview on Tuesday.
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by RayAlmeda on Jul 8, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kerr looked like a noob backing out of the deal with no better option/offer.
It was only a matter of time before it was back on the Table. Only this time he’ll have to play by Nelson’s rules.
Still, I don’t want a Rent-an-Amar’e or a Max-an-Amar’e in the Bay.
I like my superstars homegrown. The Amar’e move has one year of ticket sales and a possible playoff spot written all over it. Cohan and Rowell bring new meaning to the term “one and done.”
No matter how the injuries are spun last season was pure damage control tank-mode with a sprinkling of player development.
Addition by subtraction with Crawford/Claxton trade (nice trade chip too), a healthy Ellis, and a backup PF with a different skill set/game than Wright and this team will be in contention for the playoffs.
I say make a move with the Claxton money for a PG/Backup PG or a backup PF, see how the year goes and then reevaluate.
Any big move should be to improve the perimeter defense significantly (not naming names here). As long as the Claxton money isn’t just pocketed I think I can keep my cool.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i’d actually be okay with rent-an-Amare if we were moving Maggette or Jackson’s contract to a 3rd team (like say, the Mavericks, who are obviously going for broke) for an expiring contract (like Dampier’s) or a non-guaranteed one (like Stackhouse’s) going to Phoenix. doubt the Mavs are interested, especially if they move Stack for Marion, but that would be one scenario where rent-an-Amare is worth giving up Wright & Belinelli and getting rid of 1 of those 2 contracts.
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I’d do it if it meant being able to dump $25 million+ for the 2010 FA.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I think Brandan Wright is a quality NBA backup, even a quality starter. I don’t think PF is an issue for us. Randolph and Wright playing about 24 mins a game each sounds good to me.
by myk on Jul 8, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Wright a lot and he is a productive player. Can’t remember which stat but some crazy calculation had him as the W’s most productive player.
However he can get pushed out of his game by heavier forwards (not necessarily taller). I suppose I was operating under the presumption that he’ll be included in any trade.
I’ll give him a longer shot though. Especially if it turns out he is a match up problem that can abuse second stringers.
Gotta love his “flailing body, frozen hand” flip shots around the rim.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. His problem is his body is that of a SF. he’s an inch taller than Prince & AK, but at the start of the season, weighed 14 lbs less than Tayshaun (205 vs 219) and 21 lbs less than AK (226 lbs, though AK apparently lost 8 lbs over the course of the season).
and he’s weak. compare him to Randolph who at least benched 185 lbs 7x at the combine (BW got 2 reps up). sadly, Stephen Curry did 10 reps. DeMarcus Nelson did 19 reps. well, at least he’s not Austin Daye or Monta Ellis (zero reps).
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KEEP BEANS !
I like to see Amare playing next to Beans. Imagine a front line of Amare,Beans and Randolph !!! If we loose beans,who is going to rebound??!!!
Dr. Jeff
by JEFFSJAZZ on Jul 8, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare - on Amare
Purportedly, Amare is puzzled by the Suns’ and only wants to stay if they are going to contend.
“Nothing’s solid,” said Stoudemire, who had surgery to repair a torn retina in February. “That’s what’s crazy about the situation is that there’s no solid decision right now. I don’t think nobody knows. From a player standpoint, nobody knows what’s going on, so it’s difficult for us right now to focus on our approach to the upcoming season because we don’t know who’s going to be here.”
He’s also, apparently, already a FA -
“Right now, it all depends on what team I decide I want to go to,” Stoudemire said. “If I want to sign an extension with a mediocre team — probably not. I’ll sign an extension with a team that has a future. You follow what I’m saying? The ball is in their court now.”
That is a pretty telling statement, imo, that he only accepts an extension from GSW (generously including ours erstwhile club in the mediocre category) if he thinks the team has a future to compete and contend – which would jive with other statements he was allegedly to have made re GSW giving up too much in a deal. One could imagine that if no other suitors arise, Amare himself could become a second source of leverage in Nelson’s negotiations. Kerr could be faced with the dilemma of either keeping a malcontented Amare or accepting whatever the best deal he could wrangle out of GSW now, or try to wait until the trade deadline in Feb. Ouch.
As for next season, he said he’s expecting to be more than ready to play -
… history proves that I’ve bounced back from injuries better than anyone ever in this league, so I’m going to do it again." Associated Press
by hardcore on Jul 8, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just when I put a foot solidly into the "Go for it" camp
this story pulls me right back. One of the biggest concerns about Amar’e is his attitude, and this doesn’t help. Maybe we can get him at a bargain price, but if we still have to give up good young assets for a one-year rental of a malcontent pseudo-star that might not even get us into the playoffs… well, that’s not much of a sales pitch.
by ffgolden on Jul 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out the audio here
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/7/8/942626/suns-practice-report-amare-speaks
Sounds like the Warriors need to sell him on our potential and how our record last year doesn’t reflect how the Dubs ranks among the West when healthy. Cause I think its’ fair to say we would be much better then a mediocre team if we keep Curry out of the deal or at least better then the Suns for gods sake.
by FIREROWELL on Jul 8, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We don't need to sell Amar'e on our potential.
Because we shouldn’t get him. I really hope nothing happens with a trade with PHX. In addition to being a malcontent with a bad attitude, he will want a max contract which he is not worthy of. To recieve a max contract in my mind, you have to play both offense and defense. He has already shown that he is not willing to play defense. No defense, no max contract.
by warriOs on Jul 9, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s been plenty of debate on all of these topics, I would personally like to limit the current conversation to new things like “Do these comments mean Amare is a [fill in the blank]?” “Do we really have enough talent post-trade to convince Amare, or some other non-Warriors homer that we’re better than mediocre?” “How many injuries can we expect with that team and what does that mean to our expected # of wins?” “Do these comments change whether or not we want him at all?” Questions like that present new topics for us to discuss…
by Missing Barry on Jul 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
After thinking about it his attitude is not something worthy of a max contract plus as you mentioned he doesn’t play both ends of the court. With as young as our team is we don’t need a pre-madonna infecting Curry and AR4 with his me first attitude. I just want some help in the front court I really think the Maggette+ Bwright and maybe even Claxton’s expring for Boozer should be at least talked about with the morman’s, it seems to fit both teams needs..
by FIREROWELL on Jul 9, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t trust Boozer, though. He’s a FA next year, right? After what he pulled on Cleveland, I want nothing to do with a one year rental and I have no trust in him as a person to devote himself any longer than that.
by Missing Barry on Jul 9, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True I dont trust him either
But I do think anything its worth giving up Maggs contract especially with the projected salary cap numbers for 2010 maybe not worth giving away Wright in the deal though.
by FIREROWELL on Jul 9, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Amar'es' statements,
anybody really hopes the W’s don’t make a trade with PHX?
7
by AlbinoWhale on Jul 8, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The rebuilding thing
is a little disconcerting, but I think he’s a little off base with that one. A more seasoned AR4, with Curry and a full (hopefully) season with Monta, has to IMO make the W’s a top 8 team in the West.
by Gob on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
has to IMO make the W’s a top 8 team in the West.
BFD, Isn’t there 15 teams in the west? so if they are 8th that makes them in the bottom 7 ?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres at least 2 posters at RealGM.com
who claim to have sources saying the deal will announced tomorrow.
by houseofprime on Jul 8, 2009 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are they the same ones saying it was going to happen draft day?
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 8, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure but
one of the guys is a regular poster and said if the deal didn’t happen he wouldn’t post for a year.
by houseofprime on Jul 8, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your source is right, the anticipation is killing me.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jul 8, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is Twinkie then I absolutely hope that the source is wrong.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jul 9, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A new update from Marcus Thompson II of the Oakland Tribune
UPDATE: I forgot to add the Amare trade is still possible. A team source said the reports of the deal overstated how close the sides were, meaning no deal was ever official, also meaning the Warriors never reneged on sending the No. 7. But I am told the deal is still possible. Yes, Curry is still off the table.
My guess is it will happen, if at all, towards the end of this month, maybe even August. Phoenix will realize this is the best offer it can get.
— Marcus Thompson II – Oakland Tribune
Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!
The loudest Warrior fan in Section 208, Row DS, Seats 15-16.
by RayAlmeda on Jul 9, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have my sources and won't name them obviously
Why, cause they are full of crap? If they are legit then they deserve the credit. The truth shall set us free.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because
they are the same sources TK uses ; ) Seriously though is it bad that I’m more likely to believe RayAlmeda has real sources than I am to believe that TK has them?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 9, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though is it bad that I’m more likely to believe RayAlmeda has real sources than I am to believe that TK has them?
Well if you read the Amare interview apparently it is? Doesn’t sound like amare has any interest in coming here despite the “inside sources”?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not fair ...
Anybody claiming to have anonymous sources on the internet should be treated with a fair amount of skepticism until such time as they prove their track record. That being said, there’s no reason to treat a regular poster’s comments like that with disdain, either …
by Ronaldinho on Jul 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skeptic
These are regular employees within the Golden State Warriors organization. Those with access to bits and pieces of Warrior-know. Not anyone famous that needs their name(s) posted here.
Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!
The loudest Warrior fan in Section 208, Row DS, Seats 15-16.
by RayAlmeda on Jul 9, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
These are regular employees within the Golden State Warriors organization
Haha, Can they be any more believed than Nellie? I’ve come to think the whole organization doesn’t know what it’s left hand and right hands are doing?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things looking grim for Amare to GS
Check out this link.
The Suns pushed back a meeting with forward Amaré Stoudemire to woo Hill in person but are expected to tell Stoudemire that they are keeping him in their plans for the coming season.
by bleep on Jul 9, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Skeptic
Great point there. So much confusion all around.
Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!
The loudest Warrior fan in Section 208, Row DS, Seats 15-16.
by RayAlmeda on Jul 10, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
. So much confusion all around.
Hi Ray, They really don’t deserve such a great fan as you.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love the idea mentioned up there
of Josh Smith comin to the Warriors. He is a big time player, and can help us defensively kinda how Baron helped us Offensively
by jimmycaps on Jul 10, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Smith is a ridiculously over-rated “big time player”.
by jae on Jul 10, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I’d actually have trouble coming up with a trade that brings him here that I don’t hate. Good player, not as good as people think, horrible contract.
by onlxn on Jul 10, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you a hint...
it starts with Maggette, sprinkle in a little Belinelli, and finish with Claxton and/or Law’s contract……..unless you meant you have trouble coming up with a trade that Atlanta would accept that you don’t hate, in which case I don’t think anyone can help you.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even that… I dunno. Josh Smith is better than Maggette, but the difference isn’t huge, and not nearly as big as the difference in their contracts. You’ve probably gotta do that trade just to avoid the risk of Maggette breaking down in a couple years, but I don’t think it’d do all that much for us.
by onlxn on Jul 11, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I kinda agree
I was a HUGE Smith fan a year or two ago, but he just isn’t improving the way he should be. I don’t think it changes the team’s record much this year but it would definitely be worth the gamble if all you’re giving up is Maggette and couple guys who probably won’t crack the rotation.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 11, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Thanks Skeptic. Maybe the organization doesn’t deserve fans like me or anybody else but the players certainly deserve the credit (well at least for as long as they’re Warriors).
On Josh Smith, I think he’s ridiculously overrated for a “power-forward”, but fantastic as a swingman. Despite his length and tenacious way of getting to the basket, a Boozer or Amare type player is a nightmare even for a defensive-minded “All-Star edgy” player like Smith.
On the positive side though, he does have plenty of speed and shouldn’t have problems fitting in with the Warriors.
Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!
The loudest Warrior fan in Section 208, Row DS, Seats 15-16.
by RayAlmeda on Jul 10, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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