RUMOR: Warriors waiting for "discounted veteran power forward"
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 10:40 AM PDT
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PrintA 5 year $50 million deal for Andrea Bargnani? They don't call them the Craptors for nothing. (ffgolden's FanShot), Quick! Let's see if Toronto is up for a Chris Bosh for Marco Belinelli swap. They've been rumored to be a fan of Belinelli for years. Bargnani + Belinelli = The Italian Double B's!
Well good for him.
He might have the #1 worst contract in league right now, but at least it seems like he knows it.
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A lot of folks didn't seem too enamored with the Warriors going after a guard in free agency (see 2009 NBA Free Agency: Warriors Expected to Use Midlevel Exception- Ramon Sessions, Jarrett Jack, Jason Kidd, and Allen Iverson), so let's go big in this piece. How big? Well not that big really. Make a big jump though.
Rusty Simmons has the scoop over at SFGate:
The NBA announced Tuesday that the 2009-10 salary cap will be $57.7 million and the luxury tax level will be $69.92 million, leaving the Warriors, as expected, without enough room to make a huge free-agent splash.
Though Golden State execs have been mostly mum during the free-agent recruiting period, they have indicated that they are waiting to see if they can get a discounted veteran power forward since the economy is so unpredictable and most teams are at or above the cap already.
Among those who could be chased are Drew Gooden, Antonio McDyess, Sean May, Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox...
The mid-level exception is $5.85 million for the 2009-10 season and the minimum team salary, set at 75 percent of the salary cap.
Drew Gooden: The Warriors mistakenly passed him up for the ever so "smart" Mike Dunleavy Jr. back in 2002. Let's hope they don't pass him up again.
Check out: Drew Gooden Wouldn't Mind Going to the Warriors
I hear it really stinks living in San Antonio. [via lakers.freedomblogging.com]
Fit: Like a glove.
Antonio McDyess: If it wasn't for that nasty knee injury earlier in his career we'd probably be looking at this 34 year old as a battle tested star player, not just a very solid role player. Is he old? No doubt. Is he washed up with nothing left in the tank? With 11.7 rpg/36 rate last season I'm not buying that at all. He's also got the beef that Larry RIley's looking for.
McDyess was real nice back in the day. [via www.geocities.com]
Fit: Horrible. McDyess has been playing for a contending Detroit team for the 4 out of the past 5 seasons. Playing for a team just fighting to not miss the playoffs 15 out of the past 16 seasons is going to drive him to boredom and a very likely early buy out. For the Warriors this is a no-brainer if he's willing to come over and play for a loser though- that's about 20 nice dependable minutes from the 4/5 spot.
Sean May: His career has just been very sad. May has shown some very nice flashes in his first 3 seasons in the association (about 16-10 per 36 career), but for whatever reason he just can't stay healthy. Maybe the Warriors training staff can whip him into shape although that seems very unlikely. After possibly watching every single game May played for UNC, my colleague JAE can probably break down May's game with the best of them, so I'll defer to him here.
A delayed SI cover jinx? [via i.cdn.turner.com]
Fit: Worth a shot. Maybe he can revitalize his career with the Warriors. What's another injury risk for this team anyway?
Also see: How to Resolve the Sean May Question [Rufus on Fire]
Joe Smith: You should be more than familiar with Ordinary Joe.
See: Golden State Warriors 1st Round Draft History and Just My Imagination
They should hang this jersey from the rafters at the Roaracle just as a reminder.
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Fit: I'll pass because I'm scarred for life from how the 1995 NBA Draft panned out, but then again maybe we can trade him to the T-Wolves for 3 future first round picks.
Chris Wilcox: For whatever reason Chris Mullin really seemed to want this guy pretty bad a few years ago:
- Rumor: Chris Wilcox's Agent Pushing Warriors
- Rumor: Warriors Trying to Trade for Wilcox
- Rumor: Warriors Want Wilcox
- Rumor: Warriors Inquiring about Chris Wilcox
- Rumor: Chris Wilcox Sign-and-Trade to Warriors
- Rumor: Warriors Haven't Made a Sign-and-Trade Offer for Chris Wilcox
I can't say I feel like the Warriors missed out there.
Also see: Lee, Robinson, and Wilcox Hit the Market [Posting and Toasting]
Great box out!
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Fit: Poor. I'd rather have the backup big man minutes going Ronny Turiaf. Wilcox is a better rebounder and scorer though, so maybe that's just a matter of personal preference. Either way his impact on the Warriors season next year seems like it would be pretty minimal at best.
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Gooden is probably the best one that would actually sign with the Dubs
by T-Money on Jul 8, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
it’s just funny that McDyess isn’t winning the poll because he’d be the “best fit” for the W’s w/ his jump shooting, beef and, to my recollection, he’s by far the best defender.
and wilcox is in 2nd? did no one see how bad he looked in D’Antoni’s exact same offensive system over in NY?
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
either gooden or wilcox
i voted gooden because he has a jumper
please not Joe Smith
just too many painful memories of passing on KG and ’sheed
Rookie of the Year, baby!
At the time fans loved that little baby hook.
(We have no attention span, as a rule.)
Apparently, Toronto fans are happy with the Bargs signing. I guess he played pretty well in the 2nd half, but he’s still a tweener that can barely get 6 boards/game.
I voted Wilcox.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Toronto fans are clearly insane.
He shot well in the second half and scored reasonably. He did not play well in the second half. It’s tough for many to see that the two are not synonymous. The Raptors weren’t just a better team when he sat, they were a respectable team when he sat, marginally outscoring their opponents. When he was in, they got torched.
He’s not even really a tweener. He cannot reasonably play the SF position such that you can put him in with a couple of bigs. He doesn’t pass well enough or defend anyone on the wing well enough to be a SF, so he’s inserted into the lineup in place of a big man (Ok, at 7 feet tall, he’s big, he just doesn’t play like he is). He’s just a PF who can’t rebound to save his life.
Toronto fans are clearly insane.
nah, they’re just homers just like most fans. remember all that Bayless talk from Portland fans? look at this site. it’s ridiculous what NYK fans think of Nate Robinson & Wilson Chandler.
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the *fans* might have gotten wheedled into that contract
There’s little way to explain it from the point of view of the Raptors’ ownership, however. Were there other $50 million offers pouring in?
McDyess!!
He was the most productive of all those options last year. The Warriors need veteran leadership and efficient production. McDyess is a beast on the boards and rarely turns the ball over. He’s a good decision maker and would be a great pair with Randolph. Check out his game log after Jan. 1:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3004/gamelog;_ylt=AqCsFdb2QkvTfZCuyJdbn60LPKB4
So I’ve let my feelings on Kirilenko be known enough times. Now it’s time to start on Gooden. I present the following evidence:
I will pay the Warriors not to make me look at that for 82 games. Just say NO to Drew Gooden. Wilcox would be fine. McDyess? Maybe. Joe Smith? Brings back too many painful memories.
I agree
Gooden is not healthy enough.
Wilcox and Joe Smith aren’t productive enough.
by eastbayglory on Jul 8, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Screw it
Voted for the former Heel
But whoever wants to bang down low and grab some boards and hopefully play D.
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You want Shelden Williams
Only he’s from Duke. Comes at a steep discount, though, as your Dale Davis Junior types go. #5 pick only a few years back.
I picked Drew Gooden because he can add some bulk to our lineup when we need it, oh, and he wants to play for us, but I don’t think he’ll get enough minutes, unless we give zero minutes to Brandon Wright, or make a trade involving Wright/and of Biedrins.
A couple of years ago, I noted that when Gooden was paired with Big Z, they did well. Gooden could concentrate on rebounding and didn’t try to score, didn’t drift out where his jumper, regardless of how it looks, isn’t really effective. When paired with Varejao though, Gooden became the ‘scorer’ and really, really didn’t do well. It was a bad combination. Who Gooden is paired with and what he’s expected to do seems to figure into how well he plays. Alongside Biedrins, I see little potential. Alongside Randolph? It depends on how well Randolph takes to an increased scoring load. Remeber that as much of a beast as we expect him to be, Anthony was only moderately above average in FG% when he took all his shots inside the paint. He didn’t have either the scoring efficiency or overall production of Wright, who has been maligned as a ‘garbage man’.
no to Drew Baden
Not long enough or athletic enough to defend 5’s and too slow footed to guard 4’s. Plus his J is more Channing Frye than Troy Murphy. While Nellie may like bigs that can shoot, he didn’t like Murphy, so he definitely wont like Drew.
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
Whats wrong with Mcdyess?
I had him on my fantasy team last year and he had at least 10 boards every game… and he had at least 10 points in most of his games… this guy can still put up double doubles and he was beasting it in Detroit… I don’t know why people are not high on this guy, we are horrible in rebounding and he can help fill up the slump
by baydestrian_415 on Jul 8, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
too old...
been used to a halfcourt no running system… too old to run n gun
Joe Smith
because he has a great first name.
and also because at this point in his career he won’t have a problem coming off the bench as a role player who’s sole job is to hold his position and grab rebounds. that he can do.
we don’t need a flashy 4, we need a blue collar 4.
as a #1 pick, blue collar is going to disappoint. don’t hold that against him now.
none of the above
seriously, if we’re not going to upgrade why bother with any of them? even Gooden, who I’d imagine will get the same money from a contender, would take minutes from Randolph & Wright and I don’t see the significant upgrade he’d give us … perhaps the veteran PF is one who’s already been mentioned a bit around these parts …
sounds about right. adding a body to the bench doesn’t make much sense unless we plan on making another move. if wright’s on his way out (perhaps as part of that oft discussed deal you are alluding to) then sure, these are the guys we should be looking at. if not, i don’t see the point. let’s grab a d-leaguer with game. a young guy with a bit of talent and a lot to prove seems like the right move at the right price.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
would take minutes from Randolph & Wright
If they can’t legitimately beat out any of these vets for minutes, then neither Randolph or Wright deserve to be playing and they’re showing they aren’t the guys a team should be building around.
perhaps the veteran PF is one who’s already been mentioned a bit around these parts …
Please!
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
People are being waay to critical. For midlevel and below, you aren’t going to be getting an all star. No matter what, it’s not like any veteran FA would start. McDyess would be a instant upgrade to the Dubs, but I’m sure he has no interest in coming to this sorry non-contender.
If the Amare trade doesn’t happen, Nelson is on record saying he wants a 5th big, in case of any injuries. Right now Jeremeo Davidson is lightly penciled in to that spot. So the real question should be, is any of these people better than Jaremeo? I’d say yes.
If the Amare trade does happen, we’ll need TWO more bigs to maintain 5.
There is lots of room on the Dubs for bigs — don’t be so picky!
by bleep on Jul 8, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
People are being waay to critical. For midlevel and below, you aren’t going to be getting an all star.
Agreed. Are people really expecting Chris Bosh for $5.8 million or something? These guys can be had at the midlevel or below for a reason.
If the Amare trade doesn’t happen, Nelson is on record saying he wants a 5th big, in case of any injuries. Right now Jeremeo Davidson is lightly penciled in to that spot. So the real question should be, is any of these people better than Jaremeo? I’d say yes.
I think that’s a great way to look at it and put things in context. Shoot I have a hard time believing that Drew Gooden or Antonio McDyess won’t be better than, if not as good as, Brandan Wright or Ronny Turiaf next season.
I’d still be really tempted to try to get Sean May at a bargain basement price, especially to hit that need for TWO you noted.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 8, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
not picky so much as realistic -
would Gooden et al really want to come here if they have more attractive (aka winning) options available at the same price? and none of the others seem all that appealing, even Wilcox (who comes up monthly here)
On the flip side, would SA be letting him go and looking to replace him if he were even a solid backup on a championship caliber team?
Back to the dubs, would Nelson know what to do with 5 bigs? He absolutely played big lineups in Dallas, and Milw, when they were his best players – but here he’s put the highest octane group on the floor he possibly could every time during his second tour of duty at GS. If we made an Amare deal involving Andris & BWright, then adding Gooden makes total sense as he could perhaps back up either PF or C. But if not, is Gooden’s production going to warrant sitting Wright – keeping in mind we are not likely to be a playoff team and Wright is (still) not getting much chance to grow his game? I wonder if given similar minutes whether Wright wouldn’t be close to Gooden in productivity, maybe one of he stat-meisters could tell us if Wright might provide more scoring or dramatically less rebounding to warrant bringing in Gooden.
by hardcore on Jul 8, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Considering what happened last year regarding injuries, I don’t think having a 5th big in either the Amare or Wright case would be a bad thing. With 4 bigs, what if Wright gets injured again? Turiaf could play the 4 too, but if then somebody got in foul trouble, they’d be hooped.
In Nelson’s roundtable talks, the criticism of not playing bigs comes up once and a while. His reply (paraphrase) — I’d play bigs if I had good ones. Last year Wright was playing more and more until he unfortunately got injured. The Randolph thing has been beaten to death, but it certainly wasn’t because he was a big that he didn’t play.
Generally when someone says that Nelson doesn’t play bigs I just roll my eyes. There’s no evidence that he’s purposefully sat good bigs who deserve a chance in this second tour of duty at GS. I don’t know why people keep trotting it out as a fact that is indisputable.
by bleep on Jul 8, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does he have a jump shot?
Big + jump shot = nellie will play you.
perhaps I didn’t make myself clear …
He absolutely played big lineups in Dallas, and Milw, when they were his best players
fwiw, am also a big fan of bigs – the more the merrier, as long as they can play – most of the best playoff teams were 4 deep inside with legit players & would like to see us get there too … reiterating the point: not only do I want Nelson to play big – play Wright in the case he’s not traded for Amare, but I don’t see the significant advantage of signing Gooden or any of the aforementioned PFs above and playing them ahead of BW …
the problem with Wright is that he’s really not a “big”. he is in height, but in weight (205 lbs) he is not. consider SG’s like Eric Gordon weigh 222 lbs, Tyreke Evans 221, James Harden 222.
hell, if Jackson wasn’t lying about weighing 240 lbs on KNBR, he’s more of a big than Wright is since he’s only an inch or two shorter. size wise, Wright is more of a 3. if you were being generous, you could call him a 3-4 tweener, but he’s skinnier than Tayshaun Prince who is skinnier than Andrei Kirilenko. (kind of shocking, but AK who told Utah papers he weighed 226 at season’s start, outweighs Brandan by 21 lbs…)
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
d’oh. looks like AK lost 8 pounds from the grind of an NBA season. assuming BW didn’t lose weight either, he is only 13 lbs lighter than AK.
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but at least he has the kind of length you look for in a 4.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Wright’s offense and rebounding are most definitely not that of a “3”. He’s been a moderately (but only very, very moderately) below average rebounder at the PF slot, but far, far exceeds what your regular 3 gives you. His offense is on high percentage shots near the basket that he hits with a high percentage. I don’t know if he’ll develop range — it happens with many players — but right now, he’s been the most consistent interior scorer for volume of shots and accuracy of those shots. He’s a better rebounder and has better interior scoring skills than either Prince or Kirilenko. He’s not as good a defender and doesn’t have perimeter defense skills at this point.
What Wright doesn’t give you is someone who pushes other players around. I doubt he’ll ever be a hulking body. I can’t think of a player who was ever ineffective because of a lack of weight who became effective by “bulking up” though every hoops board in the world has people clamoring for players to “bulk up”. I suspect he’ll add some weight and some strength because few humans max out on weight and strength at. I also suspect he’ll become a better defender because very very few player don’t improve in that area with time.
I don’t know how tall Jackson really is. He’s listed at 6-8. Wright measured out to a genuine 6-10 in shoes at the combine. But regardless of how tall Jackson is, he’s a terrible rebounder and is far, far, far less of a “big” for that reason alone. He plays much shorter than 6-8.
by jae on Jul 8, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
guess i wasn’t clear – i was talking about size wise.
by homer simpson on Jul 8, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Voted McDyess but forgot about the knee.
Gooden or Wilcox.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
Has Gooden Got the Smarts?
My impression was that Gooden keeps getting moved because he doesn’t understand the game very well. I can’t see Nellie going for a guy who doesn’t have game smartse. And after Gooden, it’s all turtles to me.
“Has Gooden Got the Smarts?”
Have you seen his hair? The answer to that is a resounding NO.
by Missing Barry on Jul 8, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gooden's my guy
It would be a nice addition if we can snag him. I think he’s the more realistic FA the warriors can sign, him and Wilcox perhaps.
New here, tried to post a fanpost, but it was some sort of violations, so yea
Wussup, Golden State of Mind, and fellow dub lovers. I’m new here so i kind of want to know what the atmosphere is around here, what everything is like. As you can tell my by screen name, i love the niners, giants, dubs, and sharks and hate the a’s and raiders. But without a doubt i hate the lakers more than any team imagineable, as i’m sure you guys do. Don’t hate me just because i don’t like the a’s and raiders, lets just leave that at the door. Anyways, i’ve been following this blog sometime, and read all these rumors. The one rumor that i hope occurs is the one about Amare, as he will bring that star power we need, and the we believe era will once again re-emerge. Also, i’d like to get your thoughts on how iverson’s career will end up. My favorite ball player of all time, and i hope my boy gets his ring. New here, so i don’t much about posting things, and until then go DUBS
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Jul 8, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
• Iverson: he was always a bit overrated, and nobody seems to want him these days. Unless he can figure out a way to get himself on Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, or the Lakers, he’s probably going to end his career ringless.
• Sharks over the Raiders and A’s? C’mon dude, the Sharks aren’t even a real team.
• We Believe Is Dead. ;-)
• Great sig quote, but by far the best Starkey call ever is this one…
Harmon will probably try to squib it and he does. Ball comes loose and the Bears have to get out of bounds. Rogers along the sideline, another one… they’re still in deep trouble at midfield, they tried to do a couple of… the ball is still loose as they get it to Rogers. They get it back to the 30, they’re down to the 20… Oh the band is out on the field!! He’s gonna go into the endzone!!! He got into the endzone!!
Will it count? The Bears have scored but the bands are out on the field. There were flags all over the place. Wait and see what happens; we don’t know who won the game. There are flags on the field. We have to see whether or not the flags are against Stanford or Cal. The Bears may have made some illegal laterals. It could be that it won’t count. The Bears, believe it or not, took it all the way into the endzone. If the penalty is against Stanford, California would win the game. If it is not, the game is over and Stanford has won. We’ve heard no decision yet. Everybody is milling around on the FIELD!!! AND THE BEARS!!! THE BEARS HAVE WON!!! THE BEARS HAVE WON!!! OH MY GOD, the most amazing, sensational, traumatic, heart rending… exciting thrilling finish in the history of college football! California has won… the Big Game…over Stanford!!!
Oh excuse me for my voice, but I have never, never seen anything like it in the history of I have ever seen any game in my life! The Bears have won it! There will be no extra point!
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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I still have my ticket stub. Best game I’ve ever been to.
by jae on Jul 8, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t 3, but I was still several years away from actually attending college.
by jae on Jul 9, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember watching highlights of it in Boston when I was 14 (it was all over the sports news even that far east) and thinking to myself, “hm, there’s a school called California??” I knew there was a school called “Berkeley” where my uncle taught, but I never would have connected a school famous for Nobel prize winning eggheads with a football team capable of such inspiring gridiron derring-do. It wasn’t until a few years later, when I saw the “the Play” t-shirts on a Cal freshman dorm-mate, that I made connection, and totally basked in the retrospective glory. Even today, after listening to and/or watching that play hundreds of times, it never fails to get me all choked up.
Anyway, depending on your precise mathematical definition of “several years,” I’m guessing we’re pretty close in age, JAE. It’s always nice to have contemporaries. For some reason I always thought of you as a late 20s/early 30s “boy genius”…
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Leon Powe but if i had to choose between these players
it would be Antonio Mcdyess or Drew Gooden. Also does that mean we won’t play wright and we might trade him for Amare or someone else.
Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
Voted for Wilcox
I think he would provide energy, low-post scoring and rebounding off the bench. Him, Randolph, Turiaf and Beans would be a nice frontcourt rotation.
REBOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a single GSW player in the top 50! I think it is pretty fair to say that whoever we go for, can we please get someone who can rebound!!!!!!
It’s interesting to see some of the guards in that list as an idea of work ethic.
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
Tweak that for forwards....
And we get TWO on the list…..
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Rebounds.jsp?league=00&season=22008&conf=OVERALL&position=2&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All Teams
Randolph……and………………Magette!!!!!!!
;)
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 8, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Er
It’d be tough to crack that first list you provided, given that it features the 08/09 playoff leaders.
Among players who played at least 30 minutes a game, Andris Biedrins had the second best rebound rate in the NBA, after Dwight Howard.
Among players with at least 15 minutes per game, the Ws have the #2 (AB) and the #13 (Randolph).
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