What does discount furniture have in common with Marco Belinelli?
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
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PrintI’ve been searching for the proper analogy for the trade for a while, but then it hit me.
image via www.bedroomworld.co.uk
True story: I’ve got a futon frame and mattress in a house I’m renting out. The old tenant who moved in when he and his wife split up needed some furniture, liked it and kept it, but a new tenant has furniture that she prefers, and I can’t blame her.
It’s a comfortable enough futon. It’s not the cheapo model that compacts quickly that many a college student winds up with in the their first apartment when they move out of the dorms. It’s a higher end mattress with a folding frame that’s a cut above the "free frame with mattress." But it’s still a futon and frankly, a real couch is nicer for kicking back on to watch the game and a real bed is nicer for the guest room.
So there’s this futon, an ok one, but still a futon with all the limitations that futons bring with them, and I’ve got to find something to do with it in the next couple of weeks. I could try to sell it on craigslist. Like I said, it’s probably better than many of your basic (NBDL guard quality) futons, but not enough so that someone who wants a brand new one will want to spend much money on it. You can get a new one delivered for not much, so why would you want to pay premium price for a used one that, even if it’s a little better (which may or may not be true as I’d have to inspect the wear and tear) when you can get a new one and have it delivered? There’s not really a great market for selling used futons, so I was ready to give it away. Like I said: I had no use for it and thought there was a chance I would have to rent a truck to haul it away to boot. Might even tweak my back if I didn’t get someone to help haul it down the stairs. Unlikely, but possible. I didn’t want any part of it, but knew that it could a minor inconvenience if I didn’t do something about it.
As it happened, I went out to a nice dinner with friends last night. Hell of a restaurant and a great view if the fog hadn’t covered everything and mentioned that I had a new tenant and needed to haul out the old furniture. I asked the friends if they knew anyone who needed a futon. They jumped on it, saying they could put it in their guest den and offered to pay $100 before I had a chance to tell them that I was giving it away to anyone who showed up with a truck (or felt reasonably comfortable that it wouldn’t crush their car if they strapped it to the roof). I actually didn’t want to take money from a friend for it, so I think I offered to let him pick up the next round of drinks. My problems solved and they were happy to have a futon.
The Raptors just bought that futon. It might work out for them. They might be able to squeeze it into the den, invite some friends over and watch the game, eh. If they didn’t really have a guest room, maybe they’ll get more use out of it since for them, it can once again double as a guest bed when someone had a bit too much Moosehead for the drive home and needs a place to sleep it off or some out of town guests show up and need a place to crash. They might think "man, I can’t believe we got this futon and at such a steal,eh!" But it’s still just a futon, and one that was going to go on the curb with a "free" sign in a couple of weeks anyhow, so I can’t really see how we’d lose any sleep about it. It’s just a futon.
But now there’s some neighbor screaming at the top of his lungs about how I was robbed, that the futon was golden and I’m just an apologist for the ever-evil futon consortium that hasn’t made a good deal on futons for three decades. "How could you possibly just give away a futon?!" he started screaming, with a good deal of incomprehensible babble and some vulgar insults attached. [And now our unarmed North American friends with universal health coverage have exploded into a contest of whether or not over whose franchise will be sifting through the futon lottery longer? Insane.]
Really, all this over a futon?
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The trade bothers me about as much as stuffed animal abuse and cruelty to robots.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, whats the neighbor's problem,
he should just go down to the flea market (2nd round of the draft) or down to a used furniture shop (NBA DL) and get another one for half the price.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 1, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on now, Belli can play D better that that old futon any day.
However I’m betting that the futon has a better rebound rate.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Aug 1, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
They bought you a round of drinks...
Then also gave you an older, dumpier mattress in the form of George. I think part of the reason this trade bothers people so much is because it isn’t a big deal. It seems as if the only kind of moves the franchise can successfully make as of recent are those that aren’t really a big deal.
9th seed or bust!
I hope it's better than my futon.
Although I also have a bed. So what does that mean?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Really, all this over a futon?
You forgot to mention that they also forced you to take in their old broken down hid -a -bed for a year? Did you consider that the futon might attract more Asian chicks?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions
See, that’s the thing. I didn’t have to take the hide-a-bed. They gave it to me, but I put it in a storage locker that they paid for.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
They gave it to me, but I put it in a storage locker that they paid for.
I guess we’ll know after we see if George shows up on our roster?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
no metaphor?
won’t that be jae having the big ugly free hide-a-bed in his spare bedroom all year?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve got the space. It’s not a problem. Worse case scenario sometime in the winter the city has a free haul away day. Best case scenario, the neighbor takes it when his mother-in-law visits and he gives me a cold beer.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Devean George is that old, broken appliance somebody left on the street
Hoping somebody will take it.
GSW is that creepy dude with the beat up pick-up truck who took it.
Save that TOR managed to pay for it to be hauled away.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bob you just don't seem to get it.
Marco was ogint o waived at best and was the 12th best player on our team. Why are you so angry. Did you expect us to trade him to Clevelnad for Lebron? Get a clue dude! No one wanted him!
by crab dribble cocktail on Aug 1, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
And on the other side of the coin...
I think people’s own admiration of Beli is clouding their judgment on how this “trade” is probably a non factor.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Aug 1, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Same here. But if the front office had decided that they were not going to pick up the option, I have no problem with them having someone pick up his tab and giving us a servicable 12th man instead of having a pouty lame duck Belinelli possibly taking minutes away from Curry’s development time.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 1, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Belinelli possibly taking minutes away from Curry’s development time.
Curry’s development is time we can’t afford if we want to win. Let him develop in D league or practice if it’s so important ?
The only reason I’m gonna miss Marco is that we don’t have Crawford (and maybe not CJ? ) so what are we gonna do if we get players injured like last year? Marco was a decent fill-in player and if we din’t extend him he woulda been pretty cheap this year. Not free like George but can George back up the point like Marco?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
so what are we gonna do if we get players injured like last year?
We’ll lose, which is likely what would happen if we had injuries like last year and still had Marco.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is what did happen
Last year, when we were devastated by injuries and Marco played, and we finished with 29 wins. Many people are finding many reasons to be down on this team, but I remain convinced that a young team that averaged 45 wins per season in the previous two, despite losing Baron, does not miraculously become a 29-win team in one season. It requires your best guard missing 57 games, your team captain missing 23 games, your 6th man and prime off-season acquisition (regardless of the contract) missing 31 games, and your starting center (and only legit starting NBA big-man) missing 20 games. If the Warriors stay healthy, and Randolph becomes even part of the player we think he can, I think the Warriors will surprise a lot of people this year.
we can only hope, because unless there’s a big trade in the wind your brand of optimism is all we have
Is it really such optimism to assume that those 131 combined games missed had a serious impact on our W-L? Seems to me that it would be common sense.
while we may not get 131 missed again this season, despite our vaunted depth there are two huge flaws such that a single, sustained injury would cripple us – first we are too thin in the frontline (speaking of depth, primarily) and we have depth at the wings but no experience at PG whatsoever and if Monta should go down… so ya, it’s optimism to assume/hope/expect ALL the following will occur:
√ we have few if any injuries to our front line – particularly Andris & AR
√ ditto for Monta Ellis
√ and that he will morph into a high caliber PG
√ Randolph will explode onto the scene and be a consistent 15/10
√ Maggette thrives and stays healthy in the 6th man role, and KAz holds up as a starter
frankly, almost ALL of those have to occur for this roster, as constructed today, just to make the playoffs – and that leaves out one of the biggest wild cards of all:
? Nelson
I’ve supported him pretty consistently since his second coming but he’s had his share f-ups imo this past 12 months, and he’s punching the clock until he gets his hallowed W-record, which is easily in reach. Will he manage the young egos better? will he keep Jax in line better? will he manage veterans’ minutes better?
we’re back to arguing whether the glass is half full or empty, which is why I said we can only hope your optimism proves to be sentient
by hardcore on Aug 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we did get the short end of the stick, this is really about supply and demand. We had too much of something (guards) and there wasn’t much demand. Granted, the demand for Belli may increase at some point on the Raptors; however, there was no way we could have increased the demand by holding onto him.
i also have a comparison for this trade
I had a friend of mine come over from Midwest and we went out to a really nice sushi place known for its fresh fish. I ordered sashimi to share at the table, but he didn’t eat any. He just does not get sashimi. Instead he chose to eat chicken katsu.
So is Don Nelson, didn’t understand how to utilize talent that he had and instead opted out to go with katsu..
I didn’t see where that was going. I envisioned Belinelli as the sort of sashimi you get in Midwest.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be prairie dog, me thinks
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Aug 1, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Don Nelson, didn’t understand how to utilize talent
He tried and the sushi made him violently ill.
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I just saw on the News, CASH for Clunkers denied Al Bundy a rebate for his old Dodge
Luckily he ran into Larry Riley on his way home. Riley just got a ‘09 Jaguar XF, but he aleady has an ’07. He doesn’t like having two Jags. So he traded 2007 Jag for the old Dodge.
Way to go AL!
Belli's more like a
coupon for a free 2007 Jaguar that you received in the mail from a mysterious doctor in Nigeria…
Ahh Eee Ahh Eee Ahh! Waahh! Waahh! Wahh!
by Tim&ChrisBurger on Aug 2, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You guys need a hobby...
The cash of clunkers program is best applied to the writers of these editorials.
The grumpy man of mystery...
If this is how you respond to a post which is one of the least critical of this deal that you can find I don’t know what to tell you. Is it a reading comprehension problem, or do they just give you guys a list of writers to criticize in your off time?
BTW, this is our hobby. If you’d prefer we could all stop buying tickets and watching on TV, but if we did that there might be layoffs… ; )
Thing 2
bottom line we VOLUNTARILY
got the short end of the stick. we had a piece that could have fetched something better when combined with maggette or jackson. We didn’t need to do anything there wasn’t any rush at all. it was an obvious salary dump based on the timing. We could have waited.
The best part of this thread is all the futon ads on the right-side navigation
there’s futons over there with the titties? never noticed.
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I just noticed that.
If I had written that the trade was dope, would there be ads for Oaksterdam? I guess not having anyone who really clogs the lane explains why we don’t see Roto-rooter ads.
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Plenty of choices, right there on the side. (Sorry, but the one I had is already spoken for, else I’d be happy to give it to you. You don’t even have to send back a Devean George.)
by jae on Aug 1, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the best post ever, seriously.
A funny and clever way of saying, “cool down”. Bellinelli could have been solid, but he could have never been a $1,500 Lady Americana Super Mattress. Good for a nights sleep, but it would never fit a rich mans needs. Another futon will come along the way soon, and even though the round of drinks (Devon George) will only last a short amount of time, the aftertaste of having that salary going into free agency will be so, so good.
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I've always been amazed, Zorgon...
You’re one of the younger guys that visit GSOM, yet you’re like 10x more eloquent than half the posters here.
I don’t know…
Maybe all the grumpy forrest posts are starting to get to me…
Ahh Eee Ahh Eee Ahh! Waahh! Waahh! Wahh!
by Tim&ChrisBurger on Aug 2, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Great post
This gave me quite a good laugh on an otherwise dull day. Never would’ve thought that Marco Belinelli could be metaphorically compared to a futon.
Pop quiz
Which of these is Marco Belinelli:
a) 
b) 
c)
d) All of the above
Sigh, I’m all Marco’ed out now. Please let there be some new Warriors news next week.
okay?
That futon metaphor has nothing to do with how Marco is young and filled with potential, and how we traded him for an old worn out player who’s past his prime (a prime that was non-existent in the first place). That’s like replacing your son’s puppy for a dog that’s boring and about to die and act like its the same thing. I’m not saying Marco is as cute as a puppy or whatever, but you know what I mean. I’m too lazy to spend time searching for the perfect comparison, you get what came off the top.
The reason why people are so bothered by that trade is because we just wasted all that time with Marco by just trading him for someone extremely worse. It doesn’t matter if Marco was a star or not; he was a good decent player and was young, but was traded for a useless player with no upside. He was better and worth more than the player we got in return; is it that hard to understand?
There’s nothing wrong with keeping Marco on the bench, using him every
once in a while when our players get injured or whatever. That’s the whole point of having depth, and it would have helped Nellie since he’d have a wide arsenal to mix and match with. We could have then packaged him if the right deal came along; a young Marco Belinelli is much more interesting to get than a useless player in Deaven George.
You must be crazy if you think that Deaven is a better player than Marco. It’s not like if we kept Marco, we would eventually be saying, “OMG I can’t believe we kept Marco when we had the chance to get Deaven George for him!”. It’s not like we’re saving that much money with George, either.
And yes, I am aware that Marco wouldn’t have affected our season, but that
doesn’t mean that its okay to just get rid of him for nothing. That’s some of the most stupid logic ever to do that, you’re just giving away young talent for the hell of it.
People are just ignoring this trade because they want to seem so intellectual and to show off how much better they are than everyone else because of the fact that hella people are overeacting and they want to seem so calm and smarter than them.
“Oh yes, baby. Look at me, i’m calm and not shaken at all. That trade doesn’t phase me… Marco who? He was nothing, he would have been nothing, we traded him for nothing. I’m just so awesome, i’m calm while everyone else is making this a big deal about a trade between two bench guys. Can you idiots just stop whining and be calm like me? Who cares if he had potential, he was a bench player anyways. He was just, a futon. You talk about him as if he’s a Tempurpedic”.
Just because two players that don’t get playing time gets traded doesn’t mean that it can’t be a stupid trade. There’s always different levels of value in players that don’t get minutes. Just because Marco didn’t get PT doesn’t mean that he sucked and that he should be traded for nothing.
And it also doesn’t matter that young guards with good potential like Marco are easy to find, that still doesn’t mean that the Warriors will find someone to replace the player and the depth that we had with Marco this season. It just proves that Golden State gives up on their young players so easily, just because they have the “cushion” to do so. “Oh we got a lot of guards already so lets just trade Marco for nothing. haha”.
Go ahead and downtalk the deal to make it seem like it wasn’t stupid. The fact is that Marco Belinelli is better (and worth more) than Deaven George and that most of these Warriors fans are the possibly the only people who thought the deal wasn’t stupid.
by Precise Films Productions on Aug 2, 2009 12:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
forgot to add
Yeah it sounds like i’m stressing over a small trade.
I know Marco wouldn’t really have affected our season in the first place. So don’t think that my reaction is “OMG our season is over, we suck now that we don’t have Marco!!”
My reaction is more of a surprise at the fact that Golden State would actually give up on their young players by trading them for useless veterans because of “financial reasons”.
So yeah, i’m bored.
_
0__O
(>^.^)>
k bye.
by Precise Films Productions on Aug 2, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
My reaction is more of a surprise at the fact that Golden State would actually give up on their young players by trading them for useless veterans because of "financial reasons".
I wouldn’t say the Warriors are “giving up on their young players”. It’s more like they made their pick on the available young players, in this case, Morrow and Curry over Marco.
by IQofaWarrior on Aug 2, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
cons
1. Lose our 11th best player in exchange for a bag of balls
pros
1. Gain a bit of salary relief, and/or larger pool of expirings to play with in a trade (AK47, anyone?)
2. Give a strong, implicit vote of confidence to Morrow, who deserves it.
3. Give a nice boost to Belinelli’s chances of having an actual NBA career.
There will be no extra point!
pros
1. much less “Marco should be starting!” whining around here
cons
1. Marco is likely to put up much higher per game averages here that will lead to about 27 fanposts this season about how horrible the trade was.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 2, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marco is likely to put up much higher per game averages here that will lead to about 27 fanposts
“Here”? where you at? Eh??
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
GOOD POST
I complemented your post earlier but it was deleted. Can you believe that? Sad.
by Bob on Aug 2, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Bob
Do you have a record of the deleted post?
I saw it...
Nothing to get excited about. He used a word that isn’t allowed and it got hidden. Pretty standard stuff. Follow the rules and your posts don’t get hidden.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Aug 3, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I complemented his post then added that people who don't understand
why this Belinelli trade sucks, never will.
Another post that was deleted was in response to some Devean George fan telling me to “STFU” after I made the Cash for Clunkers post. That post and the response deserved deleting, I guess.
Another post deleted was in repsonse to Naticus comparing his newfew to Belinelli, I pointed out that it was such horrible logic. That got deleted.
by Bob on Aug 3, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That's fine...
I obviously have no record of all your posts that were hidden, but the one that I saw in this thread had cursing in it. I’m guessing that all the other “mysterious disappearances” probably also had to do with inappropriate content.
Forrest for example continues to act like he has done nothing wrong, when to the contrary I read one of his deleted posts which had a pretty lewd comment about JAE in it.
You guys can complain all you want but it’s been my experience that posts don’t get taken down unless they cross a line. If your not sure where that line is email Atma and maybe he can explain it to you. Or you can just look around and try to get a feel for what is culturally acceptable here. Remember, “family show”… If it wouldn’t fly on Full House, it won’t fly here. ;-P
Thing 2
Off topic, but all should be aware that if they respond to something that is subsequently removed, all replys are also removed automatically. There is not any function to avoid this.
by jae on Aug 3, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point...
I’m pretty sure a lot of posters don’t realize this. If you reply to something which was inappropriate then you might get caught in the line of fire without breaking any of the guidelines yourself.
Thing 2
There is not any function to avoid this.
It’s physically impossible to delete one comment from a thread ? or the mods are too lazy to do the necessary work??
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It is impossible. If a posting is deleted, all replies after it disappear too. It’s a limitation of the software we have to work with.
If a posting is deleted, all replies after it disappear too.
If one comment can wipe out a whole post that seems like a victory for the jerks?
Can you leave it there but edit it to make them look like a complete idiot instead?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 3, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely not
or you open the door for the paranoia about mods modifying people’s comments
by IQofaWarrior on Aug 3, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
We have Mods on GSoM?!
Beyond Golden State of Design... and than some!
http://www.tonypsd.blogspot.com/
No, there’s no way to edit a post after it has been made. These are limitations of the software.
by jae on Aug 4, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
These are limitations of the software.
haha, That’s what you get for shopping at the dollar store..
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 4, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
We have Mods on GSoM?!
I can totally picture Atma, jae, RDiz, and Tony.psd (L-R) dressed like this:
There will be no extra point!
I can totally picture
Haha, that dress will do more for his act than practicing will.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 4, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This warrants me going back to hating you
We still believe!!
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This warrants me going back to hating you
Haha, Get in line, the rear is around the corner behind all those republicans.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 5, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
updated to reflect refrigeration?
“Let them eat cake and ice cream too”
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 6, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the general consensus is that the trade does appear rather one-sided in the Raptors’ favor. Understandibly, there will be some people who will look at the trade and go “WTF?” It’s normal… of course Marco’s gonna have some homers who will pout like we lost a future franchise player. Of course there will be people who feel slighted that we got useless filler for one of our younger prospects. Fans won’t always agree with every (or in our case… any) front office decision.
However, the biggest problem is that these same people just assume that others who aren’t kicking and screaming about this trade are automatically in favor of it, which isn’t the case at all. Who here would honestly want Devean George on the Warriors? I for one hate Devean George, but what’s done is done and it really doesn’t affect the outlook of the team all that much. So I just go about my business. We gave a dupicate part to a team that needed it in exchange for an expiring contract and cash; it wasn’t like we gave up Anthony Randolph for Devean George straight up.
Could we have gotten something better in return for Marco? Probably, but it wasn’t going to be a much better deal anyways. There will still be guys going crazy if we traded Marco for Joey Graham as many have suggested, wondering why we couldn’t trade Marco for a better player. Repeat the cycle for any player that could have been had, realistically or otherwise, and eventually we’ll have people complaining that we could have traded Marco for LeBron and cash.
To think that something like this is stirring up a site-wide pissing match between guys who are overreacting and guys who don’t care either way is pretty ridiculous.
by WYK on Aug 2, 2009 1:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I really like this trade because I rather like Marco. I think he’s fun to watch and think it’s sad that he’s sitting on the bench. At the same time, we have Morrow and Marco is inconsistent, doesn’t rebound and doesn’t pass all that well. I wouldn’t pay 1.6 million for him, if I were the front office. So now we don’t have to and Marco gets to play. He may pan out. He won’t be as good as Morrow, though.
From an on the court standpoint, it favors the Raptors immensely. From a Warriors standpoint, the move is mostly immaterial, save that they don’t have to pay a player that they aren’t gonna use.
The issue as I see it is that management didn’t figure Belinelli fit in their plans. Not at all. So they were going to let him walk, let his contract run out at the end of the season and be done with it. If he’s really not part of the plans at all, and that’s really what this looked like, why not cut him immediately? Because it wouldn’t save any cash (and I know this doesn’t matter to the fans, but it’s something management will still try to do) and because they’d lose the flexibility of the expiring. But then the Raptors offered to speed up that time-table, allowing them to effectively cut Belinelli earlier.
They saved money without really harming the on court product. They moved Belinelli while still retaining the flexibility of an expiring contract of equal value. It’s such a ho-hum move. And yet somehow it generates more posts than anything since the playoff win over Dallas.
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The return of reason
jae, thanks for that last post. Nice to see you got your meds straightened out. I was worried you were going to “off” some poor unsuspecting night shift gasateria clerk.
I’m a Raps fan from NY (yes, we exist outside of that other country) and began following the Warrior fansites after the Belinelli trade to gauge what Toronto had gotten for George. You’ve finally gotten to the crux of it, that TO wanted a SG for depth with upside and GS wanted to rid itself of a redundant player while gaining cap space. I think that directly relates to what I’ve learned about the Warriors’ ownership issues. Good move for both, although cap space doesn’t really cause fans much excitement in comparison to a player.
Lastly, futons are the red-headed stepchild of the bean bag chair.
And yet somehow it generates more posts than anything since the playoff win over Dallas.
I think Sarah Palin beat it out?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Our wings were so awful, that belinelli and derozan look like vc and tmac right now
although this trade is subtle, i think its good for both teams. ellis and curry are the future, jackson and magette are there for the long run. raps had the worst 2-3 combo in the entire league and maybe this helps. hopefully it does….
this is pathetic
that so many of the posters are happy for the trade for Marco and Toronto. I get that but just think about. We are now rooting for guys to leave the Warriors and find a way to play and help other teams. I guess Wright will be next. We certainly feel his pain as well.
We Believe We Were Deceived
that so many of the posters are happy for the trade for Marco and Toronto
Not me. Marco Belinelli has made more money in one year than I will probably make in a lifetime and after his rookie contract, he can go make millions back in Italy if he chooses. As for Toronto, the only reason I hope they do good is so that when we make the lottery (inevitably) hopefully the Raps have less ping pong balls then us there.
This trade just wasnt that big of a deal. Marco wasnt a part of the future. We can fantasize that Marco was some great trade chip, but apparently he wasnt. I wish we got more than D George, but oh well. Atleast we got an expiring contract that we can move and more playing time freed up for Morrow and Curry.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 2, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
“Atleast we got an expiring contract that we can move and more playing time freed up for Morrow and Curry.”
I don’t see how this trade changed anything (related to the quote). We had the choice to use Belinelli as an expiring contract if we chose to, and we had the choice to sit Belinelli on the bench and give the PT to Morrow and Curry if we wanted to.
by Missing Barry on Aug 2, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It saves the Warriors a few bucks
The Raptors are picking up George’s salary, i think all of it. George’s salary counts against the cap, but not against the Warriors wallet. Now, what the Warriors will do with the extra money….?
Now, what the Warriors will do with the extra money….?
I thought it was settled. Didn’t we determine that the money was to be applied towards the purchase of Jack in the Box tacos? Approximately 2.9 million of them?
by jae on Aug 2, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
We had the choice to use Belinelli as an expiring contract if we chose to, and we had the choice to sit Belinelli on the bench
Thate means we decline Belinelli’s contract and destroying his trade value as a player and the only trade value he would have is as an expiring contract. Thats exactly what we have now in George, so that is a wash. We could of declined Belinelli’s contract than just benched him all season unless we got hit with massive injuries, but what would that have accomplished. The Warriors didnt want to play him and didnt see him as an assest for the future, so we basically got a 6’8" 12 man instead of 6’4" 12 man,
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 2, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m really sort of hoping that George isn’t a 12th man. 14th man seems a bit safer. Less of a chance that he might accidentally show up at the scorer’s table. Who knows, maybe he’s a good clubhouse influence and can show some of the kids some tricks on defense in practice. I can’t completely rule it out. Not yet.
“so we basically got a 6’8” 12 man instead of 6’4" 12 man"
Well, as jae said, George is more of a 14th man, while Belinelli is arguably more of a 10-11 man, but the only point I was really trying to make is contract-wise (expiring contract/cap status) and playing time wise, we could have been in the exact same situation with Belinelli as we are with George if we wanted.
by Missing Barry on Aug 3, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to keep this conversation very focused on the two points he mentioned…
by Missing Barry on Aug 3, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
this is pathetic
that so many of the posters are happy for the trade for Marco and Toronto. I get that but just think about. We are now rooting for guys to leave the Warriors and find a way to play and help other teams. I guess Wright will be next. We certainly feel his pain as well.
I feel your to pain brotha ! the fact that this thread was even made is a discredit to warriors fans, Marco was well liked and will be missed.
The problem with the trade is we didn’t do anything to improve our team, he was treated like a bust, but was he?
The other reason Riley gave was he was going with Morrow, and Morrow is still unproven, he’s not a very good ball handler, but he does have a deadly outside shot, but it did tail off last year when he was being keyed on.
If Marco does well for the Raptors it should show everybody on this site who not to listen to on trades that’s for sure.
We are now rooting for guys to leave the Warriors and find a way to play and help other teams
jae said we gotta lose salary if we wanna get better players?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions
hay Jaye
It’s obvious you dont have a clue about basketball ……Marco is a player who has really never been given a fair shot. Now he has the shot lets see what the kid does but i have a feeling we are going to regret this trade for a long time nice move Riley ….I mean Nelson who is mortgaging the future so he can win this year.
hay Jaye
It’s obvious you dont have a clue about basketball
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 2, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Erm…how is Nelson mortgaging the future so he can win now? We dumped Crawford (clear losers talent-wise, but we got expiring contracts), we dumped Marco (again, we lost talent wise but won because we get George for free). If anything it seems like he’s giving up on this season to improve our cap situation (note: by “he” I mean Riley, not Nelson, since Nelson does not make personnel moves. Also, I don’t think he’s giving up on this season at all, just easing our insanely crowded backcourt).
how is Nelson mortgaging the future so he can win now?
How many more wins does he need anyway? Maybe he just thinks a crappy team can get him enough? Maybe he wants to position the team so it has better finances to pay him off for his next lawsuit?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 3, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The Trade
We send maggette, wright, cj watson claxton george and the expiring contracts to utah for rent for a year boozer and kirolinko……Utah gets a scorer in maggette possible starter in wright a good back up point guard in watson we get the PF we needed and a all around player in kirolenko who can play defense rebound and pass …..it makes a lot of sense. both teams are happy with this trade we give them maggette for kirolenko contracts.
..it makes a lot of sense. both teams are happy with this trade
Haha, You think so? If it ever happened I’ve got a feeling those utah fans would send their child brides out here to kick your a** for cooking it up?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
We send maggette, wright, cj watson claxton george and the expiring contracts
CJ Watson is a restricted free agent. He would have to agree to a sign and trade. George can’t be traded in combination of other players for 2 months. So we would have to get CJ to agree to this deal and wait 2 months before we can actually pull it off. When you say ‘and the expiring contracts’ not really sure what you were refereing to. The only other expiring we have is AC Law IV, if we turn down his option for next season.
utah for rent for a year boozer and kirolinko
Boozer and AK47, were 2 of the top 4 players on a borderline playoff team. Not sure why they would be willing to give them up for role players. The players that you mentioned, don’t make enough salary to make this trade work.
Utah gets a scorer in maggette possible starter in wright
AK47 is a MUCH better 6th man than Maggette, and Boozer is a borderline All-star while Wright is a bordeline role player at the moment.
good back up point guard in watson
The Jazz drafted Eric Maynor. The guy looks like he will be a great fit for the team as a solid backup point guard to Deron Williams.
we get the PF we needed and a all around player in kirolenko who can play defense rebound and pass
Yeah we basically get 2 of their top 3 players for our 6th man, our 3 string power forward, and expiring contracts. Of course its a great deal for us.
it makes a lot of sense
to who?
both teams are happy with this trade
Utah gets cap relief (if the deal theoretically was legal by CBA rules) and takes itself out of playoff contention and sets themselves back 2-3 years. Not sure thats what they are going for.
we give them maggette for kirolenko contracts.
AK47 is a very good player thats only signed for 2 more seasons. He will become a nice assest next offseason as an expiring contract. Maggets is a good player thats signed for 4 more seasons.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 2, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
ENOUGH about AK47, he makes $8.2M more than Maggette
With the Luxury Tax line falling next year we have no wiggle room to add that much salary.
It’s not happening.
People who think we're gonna do anything with these meaning expiring contracts
that we are piling up in for some disappointement.
Personally, I’m OK if we do zilch with them; but if we can parlay them into something good (say, a long, athletic, defensive-minded SF?) even better.
So if we do end up doing something interesting with the expirings, will you be suitably “appointed”?
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(say, a long, athletic, defensive-minded SF?)
Wonder who you want? I like your tenacity.
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People who think we’re gonna do anything with these meaning expiring contracts
that we are piling up in for some disappointement.
I have to agree, in light of the 10 mill exception: I don’t see the team making a significant move this year, I think when they seen the reaction to Curry they hid their check books, the whole thing is what will it take to get people in the stands,and if Curry is what it takes then they won’t spend another dime.
Riley said they were looking for the bargain PF, and they got George? that don’t make sense, so it remains to be seen.
Revisiting the TPE...
I have to agree, in light of the 10 mill exception:
It seems like this keeps coming up again recently, so I just wanted to throw out a bit of historical perspective.
The main purpose of trading JRich in the first place was to dump salary with the specific intent of being able to re-sign Monta and Andris without breaking into luxury tax territory. Management was pretty clear about that from the start. I’m not sure why anyone expected them to use the TPE or was dissappointed when they didn’t, because doing so would have completely contradicted the original reason for making the trade. Remember at the time we let the TPE expire Monta and Andris had just come off of their best regular season individually and as a team and re-signing them was a no-brainer (well, to most people at least). Whether you agree with the trade or not, management was pretty clear from the get go that they wouldn’t be using that TPE.
That situation doesn’t really compare to our current one. I’m not saying that the W’s are definitely going to make a big deal involving our expiring contracts, but we certainly can’t count that out as a possibility. Considering the fact that there isn’t even a guarantee that anyone worthwhile will become available for what we have to offer, I really wouldn’t be surprised if there was no action before the season starts or even at the deadline. But I am hopeful. If the right player becomes available we will at least be in a position to act.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Aug 3, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree about the TPE 100%, this is why I have always felt that it was Baron waiting until the last possible moment to bail so we could not use it to maybe find a replacement is why I think he stuck it to us more than the FO ineptness in using it in the first place.
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by qin on Aug 3, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the thing...
IIRC, as soon as Baron opted out we were around 10+mil under the cap anyway so if we wanted to trade for a 10mil dollar player without sending any salary back we could have. It didn’t really hurt us.
Of course we decided to sign Maggette instead which was somewhat understandable, though not a “smart” move, given the tight timeframe between Baron opting out and signing the extensions of Monta and Andris.
Thing 2
IIRC, when JRich was traded, the re-signing of our RFAs was not only down the line, but specifically I don’t remember Mullin or anyone else in the FO ever making the statement that was the rationale for dealing him. If anyone has a link, I’d love to see it and I’d totally apologize if I’m wrong.
Same goes for using the TPE, I do remember Mullin making statements about having the flexibility to add a player, yet they didn’t – and whether or not they’d intended to use the money saved from JRich to do so, they still could have used the TPE on a one-year player (such as Kurt Thomas) who would have filled our needs at that time AND then subsequently extended the RFAs. So, that’s why I am so down on the FO about the JRich TPE and don’t think we can hold it against anyone for being skeptical that the FO will use the current expirings to improve this year’s team.
So, while the technical differences between the TPE and expirings exist, the approach to using (and paying for) the flexibility is similar. I too am hopeful, and yet skeptical.
IIRC, when JRich was traded, the re-signing of our RFAs was not only down the line, but specifically I don’t remember Mullin or anyone else in the FO ever making the statement that was the rationale for dealing him.
I don’t remember specifically, but I’m almost positive freeing up space to keep our young guys was discussed, and so was “flexibility”.
Same goes for using the TPE, I do remember Mullin making statements about having the flexibility to add a player, yet they didn’t
I think the idea there was they had flexibility in the sense that if Monta or Andris proved not worthy of an extension they could possibly bring someone in. Or if a great player became available for a total salary dump + draft pick they could have done that. Didn’t happen though.
and whether or not they’d intended to use the money saved from JRich to do so, they still could have used the TPE on a one-year player (such as Kurt Thomas) who would have filled our needs at that time AND then subsequently extended the RFAs.
That’s a good point. I remember that many of us here were calling for them to use the TPE for a one year rent-a-player as a back-up PG or center. To be fair there weren’t really a whole lot of exciting options (you named one of the few) but it would have been nice if they used it before the start of the season to bolster the roster for the coming playoff race.
So, that’s why I am so down on the FO about the JRich TPE and don’t think we can hold it against anyone for being skeptical that the FO will use the current expirings to improve this year’s team.
I certainly don’t hold it against anyone for being skeptical of our front office, but considering the change in management and their possible need to “make a splash” to up their sorry ST renewal rate, I don’t think we can rule out the possibility of more moves on the horizon.
So, while the technical differences between the TPE and expirings exist, the approach to using (and paying for) the flexibility is similar.
Well we won’t really know if the approach is similar until after the trade deadline. You could certainly be right, but at this point (or at least once all of the restrictions on combining players expire) we will have much more flexibility than we had with the TPE. We’ll see if anyone becomes available and then we’ll see what the FO intends to do with that “flexibility”.
Thing 2
discount furniture ?
So I went shopping for a new couch yesterday with my wife and she got pissed cause
I kept asking her if that one was a Marco? or this one a Deaven? I thought it was kinda funny?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 3, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions
jae
What justification do you have for deleting peoples posts?
You just deleted several posts of mine on another thread that you had no right to do;
I saved the posts to show whoever is actually in charge of the SB nation, both you and hardcore need to offer me an apology;
The ball is in your court to use a bball pun.
The Trade
Maybe we can’t get both Boozer and AK47 but ……AK47 hates Sloan and Sloan hates him maybe AK47 would restruct his contract to get out of Utah….He would be a better fit than Boozer because he is signed to a longer contract and he is the small forward that nellie is looking for that has the all around game that is being waste in Utah.
Of course i loved the fantasy trade but maybe Utah does something crazy….. they can’t get past the first round of the playoffs anyway.
All right how about this one…….Maggette,Wright George,Claxton and we throw in Riley, Rowland and Coen for……… AK47 he would be the perfect fit for this team.
Restructuring contracts is common and legal in the NFL, but uncommon and very, very difficult in the NBA. It’s close to impossible short of a buyout, but if you buy a player out, you can’t get him back immediately.
by jae on Aug 4, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
AK47 hates Sloan
so he’d probably hate nellie more? sloan seems to value defense.
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I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 3, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions
The Trade
No AK 47…….. than All right how about Maggette for Baron?
who better to teach Curry and Ellis the point guard position. Curry can light it up better than Maggette who is a tweener. Plus it gives us a true point guard who is a leader…. this is what is missing from this team…..A Leader.
Lets be honest….Baron played his ass off for us and the warriors won…. yeah maybe he had issues with Nellie but who hasn’t…… The last year he was here in the last game he benches Baron for what? One bad game? I’m sure it had to due with the Birthday party Baron threw for himself the night before the last game….Am i getting warm?
But Lets swallow our pride and bring him back to the warriors where he belongs he never wanted to leave but Rowland had to intervine with Mullins choice to resign him at i might add a bargain price. So they panick and sign Maggette to that untradeable contract.
Why hasn’t Rowland lost his job……what if they had signed Arenas to the 100 million contract? or Elton Brand? Wow
“who better to teach Curry and Ellis the point guard position”
I can think of a lot of people I’d rather have teach them the position than Baron Davis. Like, try anyone who displays good shot selection? Gives a consistent effort? What the team is missing is a superstar, and at this point….that’s not Baron Davis. Check out his contract and then tell me you want to take on that kind of risk.
by Missing Barry on Aug 4, 2009 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions
"who better to teach Curry and Ellis the point guard position"
maybe Jason Kidd?
" I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand."
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 4, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
The Trade
I meant Morrow……but curry will light it up too
The Trade
The Warriors need to sign a player who can slow down the Kobe’s and the Lebron’s of the NBA….. not stop them but just slow them down and we have nobody who can do that and that included Jackson. How about a flyer on Bowen for one year? I know he’s getting old but…..for certain games who knows?
I like the concept, I just don’t know if Bowen’s capable anymore…
by Missing Barry on Aug 4, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions
The Rumor
the rumar out of Utah is AK47 coming to golden state for Wright , maggette , and claxton and next years 1 round pick. they want to keep boozer over AK47
they want to keep boozer over AK47
who can blame them? Kirilenko is a head case.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 4, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
rumor out of Utah? link? I’m 99% certain we can’t actually trade our 1st round pick next year because it could be going to NJ, so I’m guessing this isn’t a very credible rumor.
Thing A
This upcoming season we retain our 1st rounder, but we still cannot trade it as rules prevent trading away consecutive 1st rounders without obtaining another first rounder in return. Our 2011 pick may be headed to NJ, which rules out sending the 2010 pick unless we get another 1st rounder to replace it.
So we include in the deal the option of swapping first round picks with us come draft day. You’d think that might have some value to them, given how far ahead of us they generally finish; and hey, if AK suddenly makes us really good or Deron blows out his knee or whatever, they hold onto their pick. Would it be Kosher to write those terms into a deal?
OK, yes, I’m dying to hear more about this so-called “rumor out of Utah.” I am such a sucker.
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by Sleepy Freud on Aug 5, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Such a deal is probably legal, though there’s a time limit on any trade. It has to expire within 7 seasons.
by jae on Aug 5, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I went over to the Utah sight, if there’s anything going on they are keeping real quite about it.
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And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Aug 5, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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