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Polling GSoM: Which forward should have a better career based on their first two seasons in the NBA?

These blind taste tests seem be at the very worst interesting to a lot of GSoMers, so let's try another one to pass by some of the dullest moments of the NBA offseason. Here's the stats per 36 of these two forwards' first two seasons with the Warriors with their personal highs bolded:

Forward A

  • Rookie Season: 14.5 ppg (55.4% FG, 67.5% FT), 9.5 rpg, 0.9 apg (1.2 tov), 2.1 blk, 0.6 stl
  • Sophomore Season: 16.9 ppg (52.8% FG, 74.1% FT), 8.2 rpg, 1.1 apg (1.2 tov), 1.9 blk, 1.2 stl

Forward B

  • Rookie Season: 17.0 ppg (52.4% FG, 81.0% FT), 8.0 rpg, 1.0 apg (2.7 tov), 1.0 blk, 0.5 stl
  • Sophomore Season: 19.9 ppg (53.0% FG, 79.5% FT), 10.2 rpg, 0.8 apg (2.9 tov), 1.8 blk, 0.4 stl

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Forward A is Brandan Wright [Basketball Reference]

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Lietuvos Rytas can't stop Brandan Wright- they can only hope to contain him!

 

Forward B is Ike Diogu [Basketball Reference]

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Ike screams: "PLAY ME COACH!"

Check out At the Hive for the latest on Ike Diogu.

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Wouldn't you know Chris Mullin's 2005 bust sported superior scoring and rebounding per 36 in his first two seasons with the Warriors compared to the guy local Bay Area media and fans alike can't stop berating Nellie for not giving more playing time to?

Other red flags for BW:
  • Wright's rebounding rate dropped significantly from his first season (down from 9.5 to 8.2) while Diogu's made a nice jump (8.0 to 10.2). Now Diogu's second season with the Warriors lasted only 17 games, but that isn't much less than all the Marco Belinelli homers have extrapolated "greatness" from. In his first full season with the Pacers (still only 30 games) Diogu posted a 10.0/ 36 rebound rate so it's probably not a fluke. Diogu is a better rebounder than Wright.
  • Diogu is simply too slow for the NBA, but he came into the league with a far more advanced low post arsenal as a rook than Brandan Wright will probably ever have. That hasn't gotten Diogu much more than some serious pine time with 4 different teams in the NBA. With very little refined post moves and an incredibly raw offensive game, it's not looking good for Wright. 
  • It's somewhat subjective, but Ike has the strength and build of a real deal NBA power forward. He might be on the shorter end of NBA 4's but he's listed at 6-8 250 pounds. Wright on the other hand is a "manorexic" (I only use this word since a friend called me this other day since I supposedly eat like a mouse) 6-9 205 pounds.
  • Wingspan Wingstop. Much is made about Wright's 7'3.75 wingspan. Guess what Diogu's is... 7'4.

On the plus side for BW:
  • Wright, who often looks very lost out there especially on defense, seems to foul a TON (3.4 fouls/ 36 as a rookie and 3.9 as a sophomore), but you haven't seen nothing since the One Minute Man till you look at Diogu's foul rate in his rookie and sophomore seasons (17 games) with the Warriors (5.7 fouls/ 36).
  • Chris Webber or Vlade Divac in the post dropping dimes Brandan Wright is not, but at least he doesn't turnover the rock at a horrendous rate. Diogu's assist : turnover rates are Zack Randolph bad. Wright's are passable (no pun intended).
  • Is age nothing but a number? Let's hope not because Wright entered the league after his freshman year at UNC, while Diogu entered after his junior year at Arizona State. Wright started off his NBA career at 20, while Diogu was 22. Youth is on Wright's side.
What do you read from this per 36 rookie and sophomore year comparison between Brandan Wright and Ike Diogu? Is Brandan Wright destined to be Ike Diogu Part II? Is the "plus side" enough to make up for the red flags?


Just for kicks check out John Hollinger's Trade analysis: Pacers may hit home run in long run [ESPN] circa the Warriors-Pacers trade at the end of 2006:
Nonetheless, it's shocking to see the Warriors include such a talented prospect as Diogu as a throw-in, especially considering a year earlier they wouldn't budge on putting him into a deal for Ron Artest.

It's not like including him was necessary to balance the scales. Going by 2006-07 PER, the three highest-rated players in this deal all went to Indiana. In fact, Murphy has outrated Harrington in four of the past five seasons (including this one). And while Jackson is preferable to Dunleavy on talent, he is a huge question mark in the chemistry department -- not to mention a guy who has to stand trial in Indianapolis in February.

So if you take Diogu and Powell out of the trade, this deal starts looking a lot more reasonable -- Golden State upgrades the backcourt a bit, gets a slight improvement in the cap situation, takes on a bad apple in the locker room and makes a slight downgrade from Murphy to Harrington. That seems fair.

But to throw in Diogu on top of it? That's absurd. Or it's genius, if you're looking at it from Indiana's perspective.

The other names are nice and all, but 10 years from now I have a feeling that we'll be looking back on this deal as the Ike Diogu trade. And if you're a Warriors fan, you probably won't be looking back fondly.
"The Ike Diogu trade". Still cracks me up.

Thoughts from people who actually watched Ike Diogu, Troy Murphy, and of course Mike Dunleavy when they played on the Warriors:


Public service memo to Warriors: Trade the non-shooting, non-defending, and non-improving top-something center and "power" forward who weighs less than the shooting guard they foolishly gave up for him for Amare Stoudemire, some goggles (Fear the Goggles!), and an apostrophe!

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Which forward should have a better career based on their first two seasons in the NBA?
Forward A
377 votes
Forward B
1132 votes

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Let me guess, one of these guys was out about half of last season?

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by qin on Aug 21, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually BOTH had injury plagued rookie and sophomore campaigns. Ike sat out a lot of games in his 3rd season too because of injury.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Aug 21, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont remember Ike being injured in year 2 but that doesn’t mean anything, be that time he was already off the radar. I did like him as a rookie but at that time we were so desperate for a big body that it could have been anyone.

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by qin on Aug 21, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You stopped the quoting a bit too early
but 10 years from now I have a feeling that we’ll be looking back on this deal as the Ike Diogu trade. And if you’re a Warriors fan, you probably won’t be looking back fondly.

Ok, here we are 2 and a half years from now, and not only is anyone calling it the “Ike Diogu trade” but I’m pretty sure EVERY Warrior fan IS looking back fondly.

Name one Warrior fan that doesn’t think that was a good trade.

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by R Dizzle on Aug 21, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t agree with you on Biedrins but you are probably right about Wright. I tend to think his shoulder will be a recurring problem. If we can get good value in return, trade him while his stock is still high.

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by fotd on Aug 21, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

“I tend to think his shoulder will be a recurring problem.”

…really?

by Missing Barry on Aug 21, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

only because I’m in that biz. I weighed in on Monta’s leg last year. I wasn’t too worried at the time and I think that will likely not give him further problems. But I see shoulders pop out over and over again. Even with the best surgeries to try to stabilize the joint, the help is often not sufficient to hold up against the abuse even most weekend warriors can throw at it.

I actually like Wright’s game. He seems like a nice kid. But from a business decision, I wouldn’t gamble on his health.

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by fotd on Aug 21, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I mean, I don’t know anything about the human body, but I do have some knowledge on basketball injuries. Even if this is something that doesn’t go away, a seperated shoulder in basketball is still a pretty freak injury. I just don’t see much likelihood in something happening to reaggravate it – basketball just doesn’t put a whole lot of stress on your shoulders. Maybe I’m wrong and the act of putting your hands above your head from a rebound can hurt you? It seems to me your shoulder has to bend in a way it’s not really designed to in order to put stress on it, and just putting your arms up doesn’t do this, it’d have to be a fluke thing where your arm gets pulled backwards or sideways at an awkward angle, right?

by Missing Barry on Aug 21, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Maybe I’m wrong and the act of putting your hands above your head from a rebound can hurt you?”

Absoloutely. The most vulnerable position for the shoulder to be in is overhead. It is pretty difficult to dislocate your shoulder in any other position.

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by Supafishal on Aug 21, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I remember right he dislocated it when it was down. His arm was caught up under another players arm, between the other players arm and body.

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by qin on Aug 21, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it needs to bend backwards, right? Simply being up doesn’t seem to put too much extra stress on my shoulder – it’s when it starts bending ways it isn’t supposed to bend.

by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I tend to think his shoulder will be a recurring problem."

…really?

I do too, as someone who has dislocated both of my shoulders. The overhead nature of basketball makes it fairly likely that he could dislocate it again. More importantly, I worry that it will lead him to be more timid in going for rebounds, which would basically be the death knell of his career.

Diogu was/is too slow to play for us.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Aug 21, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I do tend to worry anytime a player’s wingspan comes up. It seems more often than not it’s a synonym for “too short for his position, but maybe his long arms will negate some of that.” And more often than not it doesn’t. Wright is presently not strong enough (or wasn’t last year) to dominate at the PF position, but he’s not too short.

The book on Diogu was that he didn’t learn plays, that he was slow on the uptake of what coaches wanted him to do. His alarmingly high turnover rate may have been a part of it. It was high in college too, high enough to be a big red flag that he’s something of a black hole who will force an issue if one isn’t there and often that will cause failure. It did.

The difference in foul rates is pretty critical. It’s probably not as critical as the turnovers, but it explains a bunch of why Ike stayed nailed to the pine I suspect. Wright’s rate isn’t terrible. It’s better than Randolph, Turiaf or Biedrins, though all have foul issues. The average foul rate for a PF last year was 3.7 per 36. Players do tend to improve in this regard with more experience and playing time. He’s played so little that it may be sample size, but it seems that Diogu is improving in that regard as well.

by jae on Aug 21, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: The book on Diogu was that he didn’t learn plays, that he was slow on the uptake of what coaches wanted him to do.

Seriously, he only seemed to be able to remember one play.

If there was a Wonderlick test for the NBA, Ike would have tried to post it up.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 21, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“I’M TAKING YOU TO THE HOLE, WONDERLIC!” turns ball over

Thing C

by markdash on Aug 21, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec...

and rec. I think you two make me laugh more than anyone here.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Aug 22, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve also never seen so many pump and head fakes in the span of 3 seconds. Every time Ike got the ball in the paint, it looked like he was trying to get a free life in Contra: up up down down left right . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 22, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Points: 14
Rebounds: 8
Turnovers: 4
Konami Codes: 24

Thing C

by markdash on Aug 22, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whenever atma posts these blind tests i vote for the ostensibly weaker option (knowing atma will base his conclusion on quick glances at points and rebounds in the end) because i know that option is the hot-button player.
diogu might have put up some more points and two more rebounds by the end of each’s second season but what diogu lost in turnovers and wright gained in steals is more than enough to compensate for 3 ppg less and 2 fewer rpg.

and why are you still talking about amaré? because bucher tweeted something last month trying to keep the rumor alive? this team would be weak on the front line without wright and biedrins, and amaré (if he even wanted to sign here) would clog up even more money than wright would ever command with biedrins’s salary.

by so ill so d0pe on Aug 21, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not trading for an All-Star player because he does not fit our current needs would be the wrong thing to do on a bad team.

If we can trade a couple non-impact non-starters + one center who has no real improvement in sight, for one of the top 10-15 players in the league is something we need to do to help push our team in the right direction. Obviously additional moves would have to be made to truly solidify our team into a top western team, but this move would likely help us more than sticking with what we have.

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by LostHawkGSW on Aug 21, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

would likely help us more than sticking with what we have.

Predicitions for PHO are all over the map this preseason precisely because nobody knows what they have in Amar’e and they are short on other big men. If we trade Bedriens and Wright for Amar’e, we become the current Phoenix Suns – except that we have Ellis (unproven at PG) instead of Nash (one of the best.) I don’t think there is anything “likely” about the Amar’e trade being a major improvement.

by toddaverth on Aug 22, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some more stats for the first 2 seasons:

TO%
Diogu: 16.1%, 17.0%
Wright: 9.1%, 7.5%

TS%
Diogu: 59.6%, 55.9%
Wright: 58.3%, 57.0%

TRB%
Diogu: 12.4%, 15.2%
Wright: 14.1%, 12.4%

Fouls per 36:
Diogu: 5.7, 5.8
Wright: 3.4, 3.9

So yeah, they’re about a push in scoring efficiency and rebounding, but Diogu turned the ball over WAY, WAY more than Wright, and was foul prone to boot, so he could never play for extended stretches.

I think if we had been given these stats (especially the turnovers) it would have made the decision quite easy.

Thing C

by markdash on Aug 21, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did the OP always have the turnovers per 36? If so, I totally screwed up my vote.

Thing C

by markdash on Aug 21, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, anyone give a crap that Amare had TWO eye surgeries?

Am I the only one who noticed this? Why are some still pining for Amare? We dodged a bullet.

ES

by Free Zarko on Aug 21, 2009 5:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All he needs to do is wear goggles. It is not like a SHOULDER dislocation, which is very prone to re-injury.

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by LostHawkGSW on Aug 21, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, his vision could be ruined

The present is what worries me about Amare.

ES

by Free Zarko on Aug 21, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Science does marvels, especially for people with the right resources. His vision will be fine. He bounces back from injury better than anyone I have seen in the league and has the killer instinct to be as good or better than he has ever been.

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by LostHawkGSW on Aug 21, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His vision will be fine. He bounces back from injury better than anyone I have seen in the league and has the killer instinct to be as good or better than he has ever been.

Thanks for that, Dr. Hawk. Of course, the fact that you are scalding hot to get Amare on the Warriors (a fact you have made amply clear in your posts) wouldn’t play a small role in your diagnosis, would it? ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Aug 22, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now now Sleepy, although your wit and humor is oft appreciated, in this case Dr. Hawk might actually have a valid point.

I probably won’t be able to find the details of the eye surgeries Amar’e has received, but I can attest that the surgery could easily be solved and fully healed. An eye surgery for a retina or an iris would probably not have long term complications unlike the shoulder dislocation that Brandan Wright had.

Also, you’ve gotta think that all professional athletes get the best kind of medical care as well as experimental types of surgeries. Example – Kevin Everett of the Buffalo Bills. If you recall, he sustained a terrible spinal cord injury in the first game of the Bills’ 2007 season. He was rushed to the hospital and everyone thought he was going to be paralyzed from the neck down. The doctors at the time decided to use an experimental procedure which involved lowering his body temperature in order to reduce the amount of swelling around his severed spinal cord. Eventually he regained body movement in his limbs due to that process (as well as million other surgical procedures).

Point being – athletes (for better or worse) are subjected to these novel techniques. There’s way too much money invested in these players for their organizations and families to not give the green light for things that are not widely used in clinical use yet. Whatever they did for Stoudamire (all speculation here) probably involved transplanting some stem cells from the cornea into those areas along with normal surgical procedure. Tissue engineering can work miracle

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by R Dizzle on Aug 22, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I doubt the public has enough information to predict recurrence. Retinal detachment can occur with little provocation. It can’t be good he has had one recurrence already. I feel better about his knees! But I’m sure the Warrior’s team docs would be all over his medical record.

(Sleepy, no doubt my doubts are influenced by my generally cool feelings about Amare on this particular California team.)

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by fotd on Aug 22, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reassurance happened because he got poked in the eye again. If he wears goggles, nothing can happen.

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by LostHawkGSW on Aug 22, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Option A without cheating, and I thought it was just a better option. The rookie season seemed clearly better, and the sophomore season seemed comparable (what he lacked in rebounds, I thought he made up for in less turnovers).

I don’t see, even by only going by those stats, why Option B is better.

by belilaugh on Aug 21, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the take away is this

Both Diogu and Wright are very efficient offensive players, whose numbers look great when extrapolated out to a per 36 basis. This is a reason why both of them have earned praise by people like Hollinger. However, they are putting up decent per 36 numbers, why aren’t they playing 36 minutes? For Diogu, it’s obvious: turnovers, fouls, and atrocious defense. Wright doesn’t commit quite as many turnovers or fouls, but he does often look lost on defense and finds his way into Nelson’s dog house.

by philthiest on Aug 21, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Wright doesn’t commit quite as many turnovers or fouls

This is very liberal use of the term “not quite,” philthiest. As markdash points out. the difference between the players in TOs and PFs is gaping. Indeed, not turning the ball over is one of BrokenWing’s great strengths and one of Ikechukwu’s weaknesses. Not saying Wright is or is going to be a great player, but purely going by the numbers, the choice for Player A over Player B is a no-brainer, poll results notwithstanding.

So … how about Player C?

Per 36 minutes
Rookie: 13.1 pts (49.1% fg 70.5% ft) , 7.9 reb, 2.3 ast, 2.1 blk, 1.4 stl, 1.7 to
Sophomore: 15.7 pts (49.9% fg, 75.4% ft), 7.4 reb, 2.8 ast, 2.0 blk, 1.3 stl, 2.1 to
 
Player C is Kevin Garnett. But but but but, KG was so much younger, quicker, longer, and more athletic than the other guys — and the strength and rebounding came around when he grew into his manbody!! Right. And the exact same things can be said about Wright relative to Diogu.

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by Sleepy Freud on Aug 22, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

or player D

Rookie season average 37 points and 27 rebounds per game , Rookie of the year ,allstar game MVP, and league MVP?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 22, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need to bring Rob Kurz into this, Skep.

Thing C

by markdash on Aug 22, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dash is on fyah!

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by Sleepy Freud on Aug 22, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Foul Rates/ 36

Just for fun. Here’s some more Warrior numbers:

Player A

  • Rookie: 3.4
  • Sophomore: 3.9

Player B

  • Rookie: 5.7
  • Sophomore: 5.8

Player C

  • Rookie: 8.2 (gasp!)
  • Sophomore: 6.8 (egad!)

..
..
..
..

Player A and Player B you already know- Brandan Wright and Ike Diogu respectively. Player C?

..
..
..
..

Andris Biedrins.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Aug 22, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And oddly enough

Player C’s MPG ran something like:

12.4 (30 games)
14.7 (68 games)

Furthermore, the 350 minutes of his rookie season aren’t exactly a large sample size (and I’m sure the same case can be made for Ike & Brandan), and even in his rookie season Andris was pulling down almost 12 RP36.

I think the general problem with looking at recent rookie/sophomore stats is:

1. They’re usually not getting enough PT for the stats to be that meaningful
2. They’re very new to the league, so there’s an expected learning curve
3. They’re usually under 20 YO and still growing into their bodies, making it tough for them to execute and tough for anyone to know which of their skills will be important later (e.g. if KG hadn’t grown another 2+ inches and put on another 40-50 pounds, his lack of 3 pointer would be a major detriment).

Let’s just say that KG is a good player, Ike is not and likely won’t ever be, and BWright is not and might possibly maybe be passable someday but not today.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 22, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Biedrins is about 7-feet tall

Per-36 stats can be somewhat deceiving

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by LACK on Sep 5, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A vote for Brandan

definitely Wright is better than Ike.

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by R1Molano on Aug 25, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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