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Grading the Warriors Off-Season

Grading Warriors Off-Season:  The 2009 Edition

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Last off-season I took a look at the moves the Warriors made and graded Mullin on each individual transaction and gave him an overall grade for the season. Little did we know that that would be the last off-season that Mullin would preside over in Oakland as he was replaced by Larry Riley. Not only has the decision marker changed but the circumstances the Warriors find themselves under this off-season could not be any different. Last year the Warriors were under the cap and had numerous players up for extensions. This off-season the Warriors are nearing the luxury tax with $60 million committed to 13 players. Unlike last season where the circumstances gave Mullin more flexibility and ability to impact the roster, Riley finds himself trying to improve the team with one arm tied behind his back. So with the proper perspective let's get on the way of reviewing the off-season.

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I made some revisions from last year format and I will evaluate the Warriors draft pick and I will also add my expectations for this season and how it could lower and improve the grade through out the season as I will do mid- and end of season reviews like last year.

 

1. Trade Jamal Crawford for Acie Law and Speedy Claxton

Larry Riley's first move as GM was certainly a solid move for both the Dubs and Crawford himself who was a class act in Oakland. Gone will be the ankle breaking crossovers, 4 point plays, streaky shooting, soft as Charmin finishes, and matador defense and in comes a lottery bust at PG and an oft-injured PG we got rid of already. So while the Hawks got the best player by far in the deal, this trade is a positive for the Warriors due to our depth at the position (Jackson is Crawford minus the handles but plus defense and Ellis is a much more dynamic and efficient scorer than Crawford) and the financial flexibility/potential trade chips it brings in the expiring deals of Speedy and Acie Law (if the team option isn't picked up- shouldn't be) which sum to about 7.4 million.

People may think we could have held out for more but please find me a player who has a 10 million dollar contract, is up for trade, and would actually IMPROVE the Warriors? If that player existed I doubt they would be on the trading block to begin with. To make matters worse the other team has to actually WANT Crawford and be willing to pay him roughly 20 million for 2 years. Yep.

Grade: B 

Expectations- Speedy and Acie Law are fighting for 12th man spot or enjoying courtside seats in suits. The Warriors let the cash come off the books at the end of the year thus keeping this from being an "A" grade.

Improves - This grade could improve over the course of the season if the expiring deals are actually traded for an impact player/draft pick AND/OR the slim as Brandan Wright chance that Acie Law becomes a legitimate starter. I'd be willing to take wagers against both.

Declines - We're talking about Nellie so if he ever trots out a line up of Acie Law, Speedy Claxton, CJ Watson, Monta Ellis, and Stephen Jackson against an NBA team someone please shoot me and put me out of my misery. The only way this lineup could ever win a game is if they joined the Philippine Basketball Association.

 

2. Drafting of Stephen Curry

Last year I got a lot of comments regarding the exclusion of the Warrior draft picks so this year I'll add my take of the Curry selection. I watch practically zero college basketball until March Madness comes around so this isn't a direct player evaluation (plus it would be foolish to give out grades before rookies have even played a NBA game). Rather, this grade is an evaluation of the decision making that Riley employed.

Leading up to the draft the Warriors were linked most often to Curry and Jordan Hill. The Warriors draft spot at 7 matched up to where Curry and Hill were generally ranked overall, meaning the Warriors didn't overvalue these two young players. After years of drafts where the Warriors reached for Foyle, Diogu, POB, and the like, just the fact that the Riley targeted the 7th best player at the 7th spot earns Riley a C even if he had chosen Hill. However, the Warriors choice of Curry makes this an even better selection. I am a firm believer in drafting the Best Player Available over need and the selection of Curry over Hill made it clear that Riley selected who he felt was the BPA.

Why do I think the Dubs went with BPA? 1) With Monta Ellis already having the role of SG in a PG body and the plethora of wingmen, the last thing the Warriors needed was to draft another combo guard. 2) Curry was selected despite the rumored negative repercussions on Monta Ellis and his ego. You don't possibly alienate your highest paid player to draft a "need." You only do that if you are confident he was the BPA. 3) The Warriors did not want to include Curry in an Amare deal. Again, you don't hang onto a "need" when you could acquire an All*Star big man. 

Grade: B+ - Curry has the ability, pedigree, and college resume to justify his draft slot. If the Warriors truly felt they got the 2nd best player in the draft as I've read, then Curry is an absolute steal and the Warriors worked/read the draft masterfully or they figured that David Kahn is an idiot.

Improves/Declines- Riley made the correct decision during the draft so now the rest is up to Curry, Nelson, and the play of the rookies drafted behind Curry. Only reason the Dubs didn't get an "A" is because I would have loved to get Ricky Rubio instead.

 

3. Potential Amare Deal

Last year I discussed the MAX offers made to Brand and Agent Zero after BD opted out of his contract so discussing the near Amare deal has its place. When Warrior fans first saw the ESPN blurb regarding the Warriors acquiring Amare for Biedrins, Wright, Belinelli, and the 7th pick in the draft some were jumping for joy and others were afraid that the Warriors were giving up to much to get a injury prone and questionable player. You can count me in the group that was praying for this deal to go down if the 7th pick was excluded.

When he is healthy and motivated Amare is the most dominant offensive big man in the game. Despite his offensive dominance the reason he's up for trade is because of character concerns and an intimidating injury history. For an above average center, a PF with PG's mass, and one of the 1 billion wingmen on the team I'd take a chance on Amare's brilliance to fill the superstar void that BD created. Superstar players are hard to come by and when your team is lacking one you need to pursue it aggressively.   

Grade: "A" for effort

Expectations - Expect the talks for Amare to heat up again by the trade deadline when the Warriors are battling for playoff positioning and have seen what Curry has to offer them.

Improves - If the deal can get done without adding more then Biedrins, Wright, and filler (Speedy, Law, George) then the Warriors would be etching their name into the playoff bracket.

Declines - If the Warriors trade for Amare and give up more then the offer on draft night we maybe gutting our team for a temporary band-aid.

 

4. Waive Jamero Davidson

He sucked. ‘Nuff said.

Grade: NC - No Credit... he sucked.

Expectations - You really had expectations for Davidson? Seriously? GTFO!


5. Trade Marco Belinelli for Devean George + Cash considerations

This is a trade that I felt the Warriors got the raw end of the deal and signaled the different circumstances that Riley is under as a GM. While Marco likely would not have made the rotation, I would rather have Marco over George to hold the 12th man role as he offers: ball handling, play making ability, defense, and shooting ability. He was not consistent but again when you're talking about a 12th man I'd rather have a streaky player with the chance to exploded for 20 points off the bench over a consistently below average NBA player. 

The only reason this deal gets a passable grade is because Marco would be behind Monta, Jackson, Morrow, Magette, Azubukie, and eventually Curry on the depth chart. He would barely get any playing time and in a contract year that could be a distraction to the team a la Pietrus, 2 years before.

However, don't overlook the fact that this trade was mainly done to save Cohan some scrilla.

Grade: C

Expectations: George is a non-factor on the team despite what Riley says and the Warriors lets his contract expire next season. A win for Cohan.

Improves - If George can be utilized in a trade that brings a useful player to the team.

Declines - If George gets significant rotation minutes. He's past his prime and is on a 1 year deal. Azubukie last year was better than George at his peak and George is far from his peak. If George is in the rotation that means either we suck, Nellie is crazy, or both.

 

6. CJ Watson -Accepts 1 year qualifying offer

While CJ Watson has yet to officially sign once the Magic signed Asian Hater White Chocolate any hopes of the Warriors getting something for Watson disappeared with the wave of a wand. So this brings the CJ scenario to 2 possible endings: (1) he signs the 1 year tender and walks away next year with nothing to show for the NBDL call up (2) he signs the rumored 3 yr/4.5 million dollar deal and becomes a decently bench player.

Honestly, neither of these scenarios really excites me. If he walks away next year for nothing we would have missed out on the 2nd rounder and/or trade exception the Magic was offering. It's not much but it's still better then NOTHING and avoids having a disgruntled employee (I mean that's the ONLY reason they trade Marco right?). If he signs a multi-year contract he may replace Maggette as my least favorite Warrior due to Nelson's love for subbing CJ in for a big man during the closing stretch and then proceeding to watch the other team win on 2nd chance points. It's not a knock on CJ but I'd rather we limit Nellie's options.

No matter how the Warriors flubbed this deal we're still talking about a rotation player for just barely above the league minimum.

**REVISED THOUGHTS**

The Warriors tried to play hardball again with the Magic and CJ Watson and comes back to bite them in the butt. We missed out on an opportunity to add a 1st or 2nd (depending on what rumor you want to believe) and a trade exception just so we can have CJ Watson around for 1 more year. Players in contract years often tend to play harder, but for most players that means trying harder to score more points. That's fine and dandy when it's your superstar player (to an extent) but when it's a bench player you never want them forcing the action. Adding another unhappy player to Ellis and Jackson will do wonders for team morale as well!

Grade: Revised - F

Revised Expectations: Watson... if you thought he was a scoring PG last season wait until you see the 2009-10 CJ Watson. He'll be gunning or driving every chance he gets.

Revised moves: Hard to think of any scenario this improves. No way will a team give up any draft pick for a 1 year rental with a no trade clause.

Revised Declines: Anytime CJ is in the game.

Expectations: CJ Watson signs the 3 year deal for financial security and is a good solider biding his time until he can escape from the Bay. He's solid and would be a welcome holdover if anyone but Nelson was the head coach. He'll get some minutes here and there but the emergence of Randolph and Curry/Morrow should limit his PT.

Improves: If there is a team out there that would rather have Watson over Iverson or Ramon Sessions and works a sign and trade. CJ WATSON FTW!

Declines: Each time Watson is subbed in for a big man to close the game I'd hate him more and more.

 

7) Signing Mikki Moore

Is this the beef? Moore is what the recently departed Davidson will be if he sticks around the league. For the veteran minimum you're getting a high energy, high percentage shooting (decent mid range jump shot), and good FT% big man. You won't get many rebounds, blocked shots, or lock down defense but at least he plays with tons of effort. A quick look at the current FA big men available sadly shows that Moore is probably the best one left. Some "notable" big men FA out there are: Juwan Howard, Brian Skinner, Stromile Swift, Melvin Ely, Jason Collins. Howard is older and shorter then Moore while offering much of the same. I wouldn't mind actually Skinner because he is good rebounder, shot blocker, and provides the beef but his offensive game worse then Moore, which is pretty bad. Swift and Ely are athletic bigs who never fufilled their potential and never will and when you sign a Collins that is just desperation. 

 

Grade: C+

Expectations: Moore is tethered to the bench and only plays when Biedrins, Turiaf, and Randolph are all in foul trouble or when Nelson is in search of a spark. We'll also here Fitz talk about Moore's snakes every time Moore enters the game. The Warriors need a big man on the bench and Moore is a solid option.

Improves: I don't see any reason this grade will improve unless Moore provides some type of timely game winning plays. However, if he's in the position to make those plays that means bad things for the Warriors.

Declines: Moore is solid but if he regular rotation minutes he'd be an epic fail. Biedrins, Turiaf, Randolph, and Wright should get PT over the vet.

 

Overall Off-Season Grade: C

This off-season was not about improving the basketball team, but rather improving the accounting books. Luckily for the Warriors the moves they have made this off-season has added more financial flexibility to the roster for expendable parts. If the new found financial flexibility will actually be utilized is a different story, but at least we have more options then before.

This brings us back to Larry Riley and the circumstances he is under. People may want to discredit Riley or bash Riley for his lack of moves, but with the global economic realities not every team can go into the luxury tax nor is it necessary to go into the luxury tax to become a winner. Luckily for Riley, the Warriors have some amazing young talent and barring a deal for Amare or Bosh, they would have been hard pressed to find outside help that would be more significant than standing pat and seeing the improvement from Randolph and Morrow in their 2nd years and Monta's true return from injury. Sometimes the best course of action is no action especially when Plan A (Amare Deal) fall through.

Even though Riley was less active compared to last season, it is apparent to me that Riley is a competent GM and not just a Nellie puppet. He has the ability to move unwanted contracts, takes measured aggressiveness in regards to trading for a superstar, and he drafts talent over need. These are all solid qualities for a GM and if he can properly evaluate and mesh talent then we may have found the architect to bring us an NBA Championship.

So how would you grade the Warriors off-season?

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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I’d grade it as incomplete… there’s a good ways till the season starts, and loose ends still remain.

Thus far, I’d say things have gone fairly well. Dumping Jamal made sense, drafting Curry was a no-brainer, and the Marco trade, while a loss on talent, was a small enough loss that I can understand just grabbing some dough for him. It would’ve been nice to move CJ for something, but unless there’s truth to the idea that the Magic offered a first-rounder for him (doubtful, IMO), we were never really offered “something” for him.

While we’re in somewhat better condition than we were a couple months ago, our general position is still the same: a team that needs to trade a lot of little pieces for a big piece. One could be frustrated by the fact that such a trade hasn’t happened yet. But realistically, we’re better-served trying to make a big move in February than in August. So I can’t be too disappointed.

by onlxn on Aug 27, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much agree.

Instead of a INC, I’d call it an average off-season.

The Warriors did make any impact moves (they tried to) but the moves they did make were sensible basketball wise, financially, or both.

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by FLAxwless on Aug 27, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope

We are all surprised and go back to the “We Believe” spirit that we once had a couple of years ago. All in time boys… all in time…

by bojangles408 on Aug 27, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We Believe

is dead

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Aug 28, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This post got my rec, also + 1 to onlxn.

I agree with pretty much everything that has been said so far except the view of the CJ signing. I really think that CJ coming back (as long as he keeps his good attitude) is a big plus for the Warriors. CJ is a solid backup 1 guard on the offensive end. Without him we go from Monta and Curry to Law and Claxton, Morrow is not even close to capable at playing the 1.

CJ’s return gives us much needed depth at the 1 specifically. Don’t forget last year he played with an injured elbow on his shooting arm most of the season. He also vastly improved finishing the fast break.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Aug 27, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Grade: F

Cohan still owns the team.

by Missing Barry on Aug 27, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nothing we can do about that....

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by FLAxwless on Aug 27, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but until it changes, there’s not much reason to expect us to start operating like a normal or well run franchise does…

by Missing Barry on Aug 28, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great read

Quick spell check: “decision marker” should be “decision maker”.

I wouldn’t have been so harsh on Jermareo Davidson since there wasn’t much to expect out of him. He looked like he could have become a backup rebounder, but that’s it.

by IQofaWarrior on Aug 27, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the semester isn't over

and the final exam hasn’t been written, much less taken – progress report? We’ve carved out some trading space with some expirings, the equivalent of doing well on a couple of quizzes and doing some hw assignments. But unless that effort pays off with a substantial upgrade we have only internal improvement to hope for an impressive “grade.” If the FO sits on its savings, the only one who gives them a good grade is Cohan …

Jamal trade – better than feared, still not much to show for losing Harrington (top +/- from philthiest’s post)

Currymay make Monta expendable, in a couple years? But can we at least see him play before assigning him a grade?

Potential Amare deal? you don’t get extra credit for trying hard, in fact not even worth discussing

David who?

Marco – George: good for a near record, or short term record for most comments about the least meaningful development over the summer (another post took the cake on that). If George is our “beef” it’s ham sandwich time …

CJ – actually this is shrewd on the part of GSW, much like we correctly evaluated KAz’s value last summer and retained him for the right price, we have played the CJ issue perfectly – he either is an underpaid backup PG for one year, or a fairly reasonably paid backup PG for three. Either way, he is an asset more valuable than his cost, so losing any sleep on how his situation should be reserved for his agent.

by hardcore on Aug 27, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Off-Season is over...

If you want to break the NBA season down into semesters/quarters this is how I breakdown the NBA season:

1) Start of NBA season to All-Star/Trade Deadline – this is where teams figure out who they are and make moves or stand pat
2) Post All*Star/Deadline – teams begin jockeying for playoff position or tanking
3) Playoffs – Self- Explanatory
4) Off-Season – Draft, FA, and trading

While the Warriors made moves that signal possible future dealings… the off-season itself it pretty much over. I don’t expect the Warriors to make anymore moves aside from dealing with the CJ Watson situation. So I think it’s fair to grade the off-season.

As for some of your comments…

Jamal trade – better than feared, still not much to show for losing Harrington (top +/- from philthiest’s post)

We’re not analyzing the Jamal for Harrington trade. We are grading the Crawford for Law/Speedy deal as that is what occurred this off-season. Do you really think the Warriors could have gotten more than expiring contracts for Crawford? An example please?

Curry – may make Monta expendable, in a couple years? But can we at least see him play before assigning him a grade?

I made it very clear it was a grade based on the decision making process in selecting Curry over Hill. I like you find it ridiculous to grade rookie draft picks and that is why they were excluded last season. Anytime you go BPA in the draft is a great pick.

CJ – actually this is shrewd on the part of GSW, much like we correctly evaluated KAz’s value last summer and retained him for the right price, we have played the CJ issue perfectly – he either is an underpaid backup PG for one year, or a fairly reasonably paid backup PG for three. Either way, he is an asset more valuable than his cost, so losing any sleep on how his situation should be reserved for his agent.

Agreed 100%. There is nothing wrong with Watson especially at that price… it’s how his coach uses him that drives me mad.

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by FLAxwless on Aug 27, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off season isn’t over, we have expiring contracts we can move now that we couldn’t earlier in the off-season, and deals can be made. Will they? dunno, neither do you. Fat lady hasn’t sung yet. Let’s not get our panties in a twist … What part of “better than feared” did you not understand? seems pretty self evident. Save the “example please?” crap for when it might be relevant …. Have also stated several times in several posts I would have taken Hill over Curry; I’m clearly in the minority on that. I was also in the minority against the Crawford trade, fwiw. So, we’ll see how the rookies PLAY and then we can tell. (MJ wasn’t the first taken in his draft either.) … Don’t get all defensive because someone disagrees, it’s terribly unbecoming. And please, do refrain from putting words in other people’s mouths (never said anything was ridiculous), it just starts pissing matches. You make a post, people comment – you didn’t think everyone would agree with everything you write so don’t be surprised or offended. Your reply makes me wonder : "Honestly, neither of these scenarios really excites me. " and you give CJ non-trade a D, yet 100% agree with my comment. Whatever, it’s not important …

by hardcore on Aug 27, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't expect you to agree....

I was not trying to change your mind or am I suprised you disagree, but I was just correcting some comments you made that I believe you misunderstood what I typed or did not have any bearing.

On the Crawford trade…. I don’t understand “better than feared”… do you mean “better than fared”, which is still confusing since you probably mean they, "fared better than you thought’? Please correct me if I’m wrong but I am not familiar with “better than feared”. Also Harrington has no bearing on my grade of the trade because the trade didn’t directly involve Harrington. I was just merely asking for an example of what you thought would be a better deal for Crawford for discussion purposes. If you felt we could have gotten more… what should/could we have gotten?

As for the ridiculous comment… you may not have used that exact term, but we both can agree that grading draft picks is a futile exercise until we see them play. You like Hill over Curry. Fair enough. I’m not trying to change your mind, but do you like Hill because he was the BPA or because he fit a need?

I am not trying to get into pissing matches nor do I expect everyone to agree with me. All I want is some good basketball discussion that is why I am asking for specific examples and for you to expand/explain your comments. That’s all.

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by FLAxwless on Aug 27, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

better than feared = we did better than I feared we would have in unloading Crawford, we didn’t have to take back a big albatross of a contract, and no I don’t think we could have gotten more – which is what better than feared was supposed to imply …

Harrington was a throw in line, damn trade still festers. Maybe I should get over it eh?

if we can both agree that grading picks is a futile exercise, why are you doing just that? Another example of why I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, do, etc.

Hill/Curry – both bpa and need. I fell in like with Hill and when he started to slip after having been projected a top 4-5 pick, thought we’d steal him. I thought Hill was a more NBA ready athlete. Curry has great ball skills. He slipped a bit too. Flip coin and we’d probably have as good a chance of picking who has a better year, career who knows … I’m out

by hardcore on Aug 27, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

Finally got better than feared. The missing noun threw me off.

I was trying to grade Curry per say, but the rationale behind drafting Curry. To me the Curry pick screams BPA rather then the Warriors drafting for need and that’s what that section is going over. Teams often get caught drafting for need (why we have reached on big men in the recent past) and skip over better players.

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by FLAxwless on Aug 27, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick thoughts on the Warriors offseason so far

What they didn’t do:
Anything to drastically improve their current roster.
Anything to drastically improve their future situation

What they did do:
Draft a player who looks like he might be pretty good.
Exchange some spare parts for some other spare parts.

Grade (so far): D

by philthiest on Aug 28, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i don’t know if you can give them a D for not drastically improving. a C is average and it would certainly be above average to make big steps forward. especially considering how handcuffed this team is with bad contracts, expecting a mass shakeup that benefits the team would be a pretty unrealistic dream. i’d probably call it something like a C+ for the offseason, just based on the curry pick. if he looks really good, that grade goes up, if he looks bad, it goes down.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 29, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“What they didn’t do:
Anything to drastically improve their current roster.
Anything to drastically improve their future situation”

Shipping out Jamal Crawford for expiring contracts fills both of these categories.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does, but I don’t think shipping Crawford drastically improves them in the short term or the long term. They still have too many bad contracts.

Truth be told, a D is probably harsh. I really have no idea what to expect from this team. I don’t think there is much we can take away from last year. They had too many injuries and lineup/roster inconsistencies for there to be any real take away on this teams strength. When a team doesn’t have a 5 man group that has at least 100 minutes together, and their to 10 lineups only played 15% of the time. That said, they do have a roster that seems to be flawed in its construction and they do have a lot of contracts that hamper what they can do in the future. I was being overly harsh out of frustration because I have no idea what this team is actually going to do. They can win anywhere between 20 and 40 wins, and I wouldn’t be shocked.

by philthiest on Aug 29, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d be shocked if they won 20 games – we won 29 games last year despite pretty much everything possible going wrong. 35 is a realistic expectation, I would say. I also think a D is harsh because I think most of the moves this offseason were solid. I think our team, as it’s constructed, would be great if we hadn’t extended Jack or signed Maggette, but those were from other offseasons.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd grade it as a D- for warriors, A+ for cohans wallet

all the moves were clearly to save him some cash. And that is visible to out the outside league. Hence Jack is unhappy, among others.

You may not like crawford, but he is a respected guy around the league, and as a player, you want more TALENT on your team, you arent concerned with contract length and dollars. Just like CP3 being upset when tyson chandler got traded.

Whenever your franchise has a disfunctional imagine and a ‘cash dumping’ image you will never sign anyone desired. So we can all pretend we will get bosh or someone next summer, but i’d be SHOCKED if they consider coming…

by tafkasam on Aug 30, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing is, we arguably added more talent, though. Crawford is a bad player, we actually became a better team getting rid of him. People need to understand this point. We lost something in Belinelli, but did we really lose that much? Between adding Curry and subtracting Crawford, that definitely improves our team more than getting rid of Belinelli hurts it.

by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Curry has played 0 minutes in NBA and stunk up the D-league. I think he’ll be a good pro but lets be honest, it’ll take some real time. Crawford may have been bad but he has a good reputation among players, did drop 50 last year. Think from jack or other vet’s POV. Crawford or Acie Law?

by tafkasam on Aug 31, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but I don’t care what Stephen Jackson thinks. I care what the facts are, which is that Jamal Crawford sucks and causes a team to lose more than he helps it win. And I’m not trying to say Curry is a huge game changing talent or anything, just that adding him is a positive. So overall my point is just that losing Belinelli is a small negative, losing Crawford is a positive, and adding Curry is a small positive. I think we came out on the positive side this offseason, and I don’t care if any players don’t understand that.

These are all minor moves that ultimately aren’t going to play much part in how our organization is viewed – Cohan & Co. have made many, many other worse moves that cemented their reputation. Besides, read what Jack said before making judgements, he isn’t unhappy, he just wants to play for a championship. Frankly everyone’s reaction here makes it sound like they didn’t actually read any of the comments and just flipped out about the headline that Jack wants out.

by Missing Barry on Aug 31, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Added the Mikki Moore Signing

7) Signing Mikki Moore

Is this the beef? Moore is what the recently departed Davidson will be if he sticks around the league. For the veteran minimum you’re getting a high energy, high percentage shooting (decent mid range jump shot), and good FT% big man. You won’t get many rebounds, blocked shots, or lock down defense but at least he plays with tons of effort. A quick look at the current FA big men available sadly shows that Moore is probably the best one left. Some “notable” big men FA out there are: Juwan Howard, Brian Skinner, Stromile Swift, Melvin Ely, Jason Collins. Howard is older and shorter then Moore while offering much of the same. I wouldn’t mind actually Skinner because he is good rebounder, shot blocker, and provides the beef but his offensive game worse then Moore, which is pretty bad. Swift and Ely are athletic bigs who never fufilled their potential and never will and when you sign a Collins that is just desperation.

Grade: C+

Expectations: Moore is tethered to the bench and only plays when Biedrins, Turiaf, and Randolph are all in foul trouble or when Nelson is in search of a spark. We’ll also here Fitz talk about Moore’s snakes every time Moore enters the game. The Warriors need a big man on the bench and Moore is a solid option.

Improves: I don’t see any reason this grade will improve unless Moore provides some type of timely game winning plays. However, if he’s in the position to make those plays that means bad things for the Warriors.

Declines: Moore is solid but if he regular rotation minutes he’d be an epic fail. Biedrins, Turiaf, Randolph, and Wright should get PT over the vet.

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by FLAxwless on Aug 31, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Moore is what the recently departed Davidson will be

so why didn’t we just keep davidson?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 31, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Davidson isn't as good as Moore NOW

- Also correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Davidson’s contract was not guaranteed?

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by FLAxwless on Sep 1, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Davidson’s contract was not guaranteed?

 I don’t know if that’s possible or not but if so it seems like it woulda been an advantage for us if it was not guaranteed?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 1, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rookie contracts aren’t (for 2nd round picks), at this point I think if we offered him one it would be, right?

by Missing Barry on Sep 1, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Updated the Watson section...
REVISED THOUGHTS

The Warriors tried to play hardball again with the Magic and CJ Watson and comes back to bite them in the butt. We missed out on an opportunity to add a 1st or 2nd (depending on what rumor you want to believe) and a trade exception just so we can have CJ Watson around for 1 more year. Players in contract years often tend to play harder, but for most players that means trying harder to score more points. That’s fine and dandy when it’s your superstar player (to an extent) but when it’s a bench player you never want them forcing the action. Adding another unhappy player to Ellis and Jackson will do wonders for team morale as well!

Grade: Revised – F

Revised Expectations: Watson… if you thought he was a scoring PG last season wait until you see the 2009-10 CJ Watson. He’ll be gunning or driving every chance he gets.

Revised moves: Hard to think of any scenario this improves. No way will a team give up any draft pick for a 1 year rental with a no trade clause.

Revised Declines: Anytime CJ is in the game.

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by FLAxwless on Sep 1, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m no CJ fan, but let’s be honest here, he’s at least as good as what you would expect a 2nd round pick to be. If it was a 1st, that’d be stupid, but I won’t believe it was, you can’t make me! Anyways, back to Watson, the trade exception part would have been meaningless. It would have been so small we wouldn’t have been able to use it for anything worthwhile. So…not a big deal – the fact that we have him for one year instead of three is actually an improvement if you ask me.

by Missing Barry on Sep 1, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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