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Still Bitter About Crawford/Nelson Situation

I know what I'm about to write is going to get some mixed responses, so view this video before or after reading this post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUqjvt0oKvw


I was a huge fan of Jamal Crawford ever since he started playing for the Bulls.  The kid has got some mad abilities and skills, so I was ecstatic when I heard the Warriors traded for him.  there is no one smoother with the basketball in the NBA.  Say what you want about Crawford's inability to play defense and lack of rebounding for a guard, but I still feel as though we could have used him.  It's not everyday where you can find someone who can score 50 points on any given night.  He was asked to play point guard which isn't a natural position for him, and he did everything that was asked of him.  When we traded for him, what did you expect?  A 20+ ppg scorer who shoots about 42% from the field with around 5 apg?  That's exactly what we got, and he provided those numbers for us (in addition to playing the pg potision which isn't something he wasn't accustomed to).  I'd rather have Crawford than Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, or many of our other guards. 

Given the right players around Crawford, he is an asset to any team, period.  Unfortunately, being as stubborn as Don Nelson is, he decided that Crawford wasn't right for this team, and he made it clear to Crawford (which I don't think ws the right way of handling it).  Okay so maybe Nelson is right, given the players we currently have, there is no way that Crawford will work out but I will say this: Stephen Curry will not be an impact pg in his rookie year, Monta Ellis will NEVER be a good pg, and unless you wan't CJ Watson being our starting pg, Stephen Jackson may have to play pg for much of his 40 somewhat minutes that he plays.  In my opinion, Crawford did fine at pg.  not great, but better than anyone else can do.  Now I understand, his contract is kind of an issue; however, I feel that Nelson didn't even give Crawford a chance or any consideration.  If we made the right moves this offseason, we would have been better off keeping Crawford.  Having Crawford and Ellis at 1 and 2 repectively is not dynamic, but from an offensive standpoint one of the best in the league.  And for god sakes, we could have dealt Stephen Jackson or Corey Maggette for at the very least, Speedy Claxton and Acie Law

Who knows, maybe Nelson may have everything figured out, but the way he handled the situation was poor.  Just play Crawford out for the rest of the season, then if you want to, trade him.  But don't tell the man that he should opt out or they will trade him with more than 20 games left to go in the season.  By doing that, it puts their relationship at unease because even if they personally are fine with each other (which I doubt), the media and fans will automatically feel that they arn't on the greatest terms.  The worst part is, when Crawford comes into town in that red and black Hawks uniform next year, he will probably undeservedly get booed.  And I feel it would be all Don Nelson's fault.

If I could have handled the offseason:  I would have traded away either Jackson or Maggette

Biedrins/Turiaf

Randolph/Wright

Jackson or Maggette (preferably Jackson)/ Azubuike

Ellis/Morrow

Crawford/Curry (not given ofcourse)/Watson

And the rest, you can go from there....................

 

I think this is a whole lot better than having a logjam at the 2 and 3 without a solid pg because although I love Stephen Curry it's going to take him some time to develop.

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The counterpoint to this is that the sum is always going to be bigger than that of its separate parts. The Warriors are hands down a BETTER TEAM without Crawford than with him. He takes up a spot on the floor in the backcourt that, when paired up with Monta as the future of our team, would never be complimentary or even beneficial. They could score… but they couldn’t win games in the long run. It was sad to see Crawford go—nobody questions his personality or his ability with the ball, but it was the rest of his game; the defense, the passing (average with some small flash at best), that made him expendable, replaceable, and all in all a good move for the franchise to let him go.

Now… was the trade a good move for the team? No… Law and Speedy was zero value for the team in return. But it was an out… and the value is in which players can play when Crawford is not there that is the benefit. Looks like the team is going to live and die with the existing talent.. which is an adventure to say the least. But it is tough to argue, even with the arguments you have made here, that we are a BETTER TEAM with Crawford not only on the floor, but as a shoot-first streaky 6th man for what he would cost the team in salary.

by pinkycheal on Aug 28, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But don’t tell the man that he should opt out or they will trade him with more than 20 games left to go in the season.

Opting out was for Crawford’s benefit, so that he can control his future and try to go to a winning team. Otherwise, he’d be tied down to whatever team the Warriors chose to trade him to. Crawford chose to take that chance (and keep his contract money) and luckily for him, the Warriors traded him to a team that has a chance to make the playoffs.

The worst part is, when Crawford comes into town in that red and black Hawks uniform next year, he will probably undeservedly get booed.

I disagree. Crawford’s not the player we’re looking for, but he did everything asked of him and handled himself professionally. I have not heard any malice towards him from any of the fans around here. Why would fans boo him?

by IQofaWarrior on Aug 28, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Say what you want about Crawford’s inability to play defense and lack of rebounding for a guard, but I still feel as though we could have used him. It’s not everyday where you can find someone who can score 50 points on any given night. He was asked to play point guard which isn’t a natural position for him, and he did everything that was asked of him.

He did everything that was asked of him? So no one ever asked him to play defense or rebound? Wow. What an oversight. If I’d have known, I’d have sent him a letter. I guess I wrongly assumed that at some point someone would have mentioned that those are requirements of the game of basketball.

We did use him and the results weren’t particularly pretty. On any given night, he might score 50, but those given nights don’t happen often enough to justify the far more frequent nights where he went 4 for 18 and did nothing to slow down the opposition.

Crawford is the poster child for tunnel vision player analysis that focuses on point totals above all else. He only looks like a worthwhile player when you exclude more than half the game from your analysis. It is not an accident that the teams he plays for have never seen the playoffs while he’s been on the roster.

by jae on Aug 28, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Well, since I used the exact same line in my comment that Carmelballin did in his fanpost

I’ll have to respond, at least for my comment.

He did everything that was asked of him?

Yes, in the sense that he didn’t show any public resentment or resistance for being asked to play point guard or whatever else role he was asked to play, including being benched during Nellie’s rest-a-vet program.

by IQofaWarrior on Aug 28, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That video was 5 minutes of made shots,

someone could also make a 20 minute video of his missed shots. Or a 30 second video of his dunk attempts. Crawford was the first player I ever saw drive to the lane and pull up for a 3 foot jump shot. I know it sounds like I’m bashing him (well I guess I am) but I did appreciate positive attitude and effort, he just ended up not working out, even though I wish he would have.

But to say you would have traded Stephen Jackson instead of Crawford is like saying we should trade Morrow for a hot dog because hot dogs are delicious. It just doesn’t make sense.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Aug 28, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

" It’s not everyday where you can find someone who can score 50 points on any given night."

How does this make someone a good player? Sure, he could score 50, but what about all the nights he doesn’t? Is winning the 3 games a year he scores 50 worth all the losses you get for having a player who’s only value is scoring…yet he doesn’t even do that well. Over Crawford’s career, if you replaced him with an average NBA guard, and that average guard took as many shots as Crawford, the teams Crawford played for would have actually scored more points.

“In my opinion, Crawford did fine at pg. not great, but better than anyone else can do. "

Maybe he can break guys down off the dribble better than our other options, I guess that’s something he has going for him, but what makes you think he’s a more effective PG than any of our other options? He doesn’t do anything to get others involved in the offense (see assists per 36 minutes generally in the 4.2-4.5 range), he doesn’t spread the court, he can’t defend 1’s or 2’s or anybody, he’s a poor rebounder for a PG despite being 6’5-6’6….what exactly about that translates into “better than anyone else can do”?

Simply put, trading Crawford for expirings was a great move. The fact that we got his contract off our books while getting something worthwhile in return (either trade value or additional financial flexibility starting next year) is very good. Combine that with the fact that Law/Claxton won’t play at all for us, and the fact that we’re a better team simply by not having Crawford play any minutes, and I just don’t see where any bitterness comes from.

As for the way we treated Crawford, what do you expect? We wanted him to opt out, and the only chance we had (since it makes no sense for Crawford to opt out given his contract) was to make him miserable enough to want to leave. Not the most professional way of handling things, sure, but certainly in the best basketball interests of the Warriors organization.

by Missing Barry on Aug 28, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

know what I’m about to write is going to get some mixed responses

I don’t think the responses are going to be that mixed. I think there’s a pretty much a consensus that Jamal Crawford usually does more to hurt his team than help it and while he seems like a good guy and flashes some impressive basketball skills, he’s not going really gonna be missed by most.

Thing A

by sam23 on Aug 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crawford could be an ELITE scorer if....

…. he actually knew how to finish strong.

It’s sad because they guy can get to the lane at will but once he’s in front of the rim he doesn’t know what to do. Instead of taking it strong like S-Jax or Monta, Crawford always throws up some circus lay up to AVOID contact. While is jumper is not consistent, it is good enough that teams have to respect it.. Couple that with his sick handles and he should be a scoring machine.

That’s what makes Ellis and to a lesser extent Jackson (plus S-Jax can D up) more valuable then Crawford. If they take it to the rim they are going to score more times then not.

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by FLAxwless on Aug 28, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

amen brotha

I love Crawford highlights as much as anyone but dude simply cannot dunk. With all his skills, Jamal simply never developed the superstar swagger, the “I’m going to score on you no matter what” mentality. He seemed more into having fun than winning.

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by antihero on Aug 28, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have really got to be kidding me

Jamal Crawford a “solid pointguard”? Wow. I’m still shocked when I read posts arguing the merits of Jamal Crawford’s game.

“He did everything that was asked of him” when it came to playing pointguard. Yeh, except for those handful of things we like to see from good pointguards: setting up your teammates for easy baskets, running the offense, making sure the team takes quality shots, playing tough defense.

Then you go on to make the implication that Crawford really wasn’t given a “shot” to show everyone what he was really capable of. If you had watched the majority of games last year (which judging by your evaluation of Crawford, you did not) you would have seen that Crawford played a ton of minutes throughout the year (almost every game he was in he played 40+ minutes). His playing time only tailed off when Don Nelson came to the realization that Crawford was a detriment to the team and that he wouldn’t be rejoining the Warriors next year.

In summary, Crawford is absolutely awful. Good riddance.

by randolphforpresident on Aug 28, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why do you hate Jackson?

besides his contract he’s a good piece to this team.

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by Curry on Aug 28, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Turnovers, Technicals, attitude.

"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits

by FriscoJoe on Aug 29, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nellie convinced the world a Crawford/Monta backcourt was like Oil/Water

People heard that and just went with it. I dunno.. I didn’t totally get it. It should be noted that we played +.500 ball when Monta/Crawford played together. (9-8), doesn’t sound impressive until you realize we were (20-45) when they didn’t play together, 25 games under .500. When Monta was healthy we were a decent team, without him we were horrific but Crawford should not get all the blame. I feel for Craw. After that rough offseason last summer, JC never had a chance with the fans simply because he wasn’t Baron Davis.

by Bob on Aug 29, 2009 6:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crawford has never been better than average scoring efficiency for a season, and usually much worse. He’s never been better than terrible as a rebounder, and never been more than “meh” as a distributor, and if he could ever get to “meh” as a defender, he’d have improved his game by many orders of magnitude. This isn’t about a comparison to Baron, but in comparison to all basketball players over the course of his career. His “chance” is know as his entire career, a decade in the pros which is more than long enough to realize that he just.isn’t.that.good. If he had won over fans with his play because we collectively forgot that Baron ever existed, Crawford’s play still wouldn’t have helped us to be any better than we were.

I don’t need Nellie to tell me that Crawford is flawed, that he’s more part of the problem than part of the solution. Crawford’s play shows me that all by his lonesome.

by jae on Aug 29, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't have any problems with Crawford

Only with Nellie, the front office and how they handled him. We knew what we were getting with Crawford when we acquired him. We knew his strengths and his weaknesses. I think it was shitty how Nelly benched him, and Craw had enough class to handle the situation professionally. Letting that guy rot on the bench because he didn’t particularly like him was stupid Nellie.

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by FriscoJoe on Aug 29, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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