Captain Jack wants out!?
by mr.freez on Aug 28, 2009 3:34 PM PDT
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4430906
Kind of weak that the captain of our team wants to leave after getting a HUGE contract extension, further handicapping the team's payroll. Just wondering why he didn't think of just playing out his contract. His expiring would have been more appealing to a contending team rather than the 4-5 years of ridiculous money. Does anyone still want to play in GS?
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that doesn't really seem made up
given that they quoted both him and harrington at the same event, talking about the same thing. you think they would brazenly just make up something like that?
Seems pretty easy to validate anyway, considering the fact that he purportedly said this in front of a large crowd.
That said, I would have no problem at all with us trading Jack, if someone was willing to take his contract.
by randolphforpresident on Aug 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And those would be...?
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Something like Hoopsworld, RealGM, ESPN, Pree, or if he comes out and says it on an interview where it's recorded.
I’m pretty sure if he said something like that it would come out on at least one mainstream news source, and not just on some website I’m sure most people (including me) have never heard of before.
three out of four of those have never broken a fumor/story about a player transaction that actually happened
most of them release rumors that drive activity to their site – and we all run around like crazy until the next rumor.
That might be true, but when's the last time you've heard something big like this
and not seen it reported on one of those sites. I’m sure if he said that it would at least hit realGM and tell everyone about it since it would “drive activity for their site.”
big like this?
well, apparently we have drastically different perspectives on what a big story is
… put ourselves in Jax’s shoes, at his age he would want another shot at a title. We should all forget the hand-wringing over his contract, imo, he fleeced GSW when we were vulnerable. He had a contractual loophole, saw the opportunity with Mopedgate, and ran with it. Who among us is going to turn down more money for doing the same job we’ve been doing?
LOL
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
LOL
it’s funny because you’re LOLing and saying stuff everywhene, but I feel like you’re a writer for their site because you haven’t even given any reasons or anything as to why you are saying what you are saying.
You would be wrong
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Actually, I'm someone who thinks it's hilarious that you...
…would only accept the possibility of this being true if it came from a select few places, as if this isn’t exactly the sort of thing this joke of a franchise has become known for.
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
RealGM now has it on their front page
Better?
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Now I believe it.
And good job actually posting something that has some juice and not just 4 words.
well, realgm just quotes the original article
So not a confirmation yet.
Guess we’ll see next week
I like the Howard trade from below,
but I dont think Dallas will pull the trigger on that trade. While Jax is better suited for the 2, Howard is still younger, cheaper, with a shorter contract and a slightly better player.
The trade that I think we should make is Jack+Claxton for Peja Stojakovic, a first round pick, and maybe Devin Brown. New Orleans would get 1.5 mil in salary relief this year(about half a million without Brown, it would be there choice to get rid of him or not for finacial reasons) and about 3 million next year and they would be more athletic with Jackson instead of Peja and get another ball handler. We get a mid to late first round pick and Peja would be off the books in 2 years(instead of 5) and would become an expiring contract next off season.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 29, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
First Baron, now Stephen. Whose next, Monta? Cmon we all know the Warriors are a bad organization, but why just get up and leave the team. The W’s have a pretty bright future, and “Captain Jack” wants to leave just because he wants a ring. W’s give him a big contract extension, and he takes it and wants to leave. Hard being a Warrior fans these days isn’t it? Although if he leaves next summer, and the W’s trade away Maggette and Monta, then the W’s have enough money for 2 big free agents. But that probably won’t happen, anyways this is kinda out of nowhere, but not really shocking.
Cleveland, NY, or any team in Texas
Jackson+Law for Josh Howard still seems like a pretty good deal (for both sides) to me. We get a younger similar player and/or get out from the long term commitment to Jackson while Dallas looks to be really going after a championship in the next 2 years and they get a guy who is a little bit better suited to play the 2.
Thing A
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
contract wise
jackson + law could get us boozer, but i doubt utah would agree
Only way to get Jackson to Utah is to eat a ton of salary back
However, that would involve AK47, which would make me happy.
Who would want Jackson and his contract?
I think I might take the combo deal and get Maggette out as well while we’re at it.
"IT'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!"
yea, except nobody is taking both of those awful contracts in return unless we essentially give them Randolph too.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
or Curry....
Jackson+Maggete+Curry for Jermaine Oneal?
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 29, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
what!?
hell no Jermaine O is almost DEAD! even tho im not that much of a sjax fan i wouldent even trade them straight up..
by blacksamurai33 on Aug 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
hell no Jermaine O is almost DEAD!
Yeah , I hear Ted Kennedy even beat him at one on one last month .
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I just hope that if wedo trade Captain Jack
… we can get some real value unlike last year’s Harrington trade. I think the best case scenario would be an expiring contract paired with CC jumping ship and followed by a sweet free agent signing next year.
This kind of stuff pisses me off
You signed the deal here, nobody held a gun to his head!!! Shut up and play…. Go to NY and win a championship, ya right.
I know...what is he thinking?
Championship in NY?!even we have a better chance.
"IT'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!"
not if LeBron or Wade end up in NY next year. (I don’t think they will, but its not THAT crazy)
Thing A
Jackson for Jeffries and Wilson Chandler,
NY would get a much better player and not add any addtional salay for next off season. We would get a semi-decent player in Chandler and Jeffries 2 year contract instead of Jackson’s 4 year contract. The trade would be even better if NY would toss in cash (for Cohan and Rowell) or a protected first rounder pick.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 29, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
My point was just that there’s no way the Knicks could afford to have that much money sunk into Jax, and still hope to get 2 premiere players. If they buy 2 premiere players (at least $35MM/year), they’re going to have to be more careful with where they spread the rest of their loot… At BEST they could afford 2 players in the Jax price range - and that would commit them to going well over the cap in order to fill out the rest of the team. Aged 31+ Jax for $8MM$10MM over 4 years does not sound like a good “cornerstone” investment…esp. when the Rockets just got Ariza for half that. NY could get more for their money in next year’s FA class.
Jeffries and Chandler are both under contract through 2010, so swapping them for Jackson does not affect their free agent activities next summer. Jack might actually help the Knicks in 2010, as he’s known as a good teammate (which seems patently ridiculous at the moment) and might be a successful lobbyist.
If thats true
what a d-bag thing to say after signing a contract extension last year when things weren’t going great. He knew what situation he was in. Why is he complaining all of a sudden.
Someone send this to C.j.'s twitter and see what he thinks.
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They’re still around?! LOL!
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When he says “I don’t think i’ll be a warrior next year” does he mean this upcoming season? Because that would insinuate that the warriors will trade him, which would be fantastic. Get his butt out of here. We will never win with him as captain and primary ball-handler/ballhog. The way he complains about calls every game instead of playing, hustling, getting back on defense, just realizing that he is not going to get every call, is whiny. I remember a list of players other nba players voted on who they would LEAST like to play with and Jackson was one or two on that list. Why? Because he does not stay cool and composed under pressure or when things do not go his way, which is a quality leaders should have. Trade him. He is the most tradeable piece on this squad and other teams want him. Remember last season when it was painfully obvious — what with his 12 turnovers per game — that Jackson was not capable of carrying the team, Jackson THREW THE WHOLE TEAM UNDER A BUS and said something like “it’s not my fault, man, it’s everyone else’s?” Who says that? In sports, you keep your true opinions to yourself and tell the media a cliche, contrived response like “we’re going to keep fighting,” you don’t say my teammates suck and I don’t, at least not in public. And by the way, he did suck. Even Nelson told him, said he was the worst player on the floor. Trade him. Should have kept Belinelli, watch him blow up in Toronto.
Didn't you know Jackson was forced to play PG?
his attitude is still not acceptable though.
"IT'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!"
This would not bode well for the Dubs this year. Maggette is not very good and injury prone. Azubuike will have no backup SF, when Maggs is down with injury. Neither of them are good passers. Unless we make a big trade for the PF and miraculously Anthony Randolph can play the 3, we are in serious trouble if Jack moves this season. Next year, if Jackson leaves, that would be more tolerable to me. I’m not ready to have Jack leave just yet, despite his shortcomings. His benefits far outweigh his flaws.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
Fine then, Jack
Get a “back” injury, sit your butt down on the bench at the start of the season, and we’ll play Azubuike at the 3 instead of you. Meanwhile, we’ll find some way to dump you.
WTF? Dime Magazine?
I guess when the only news you’ve made in a while is “Holy crap Dime Magazine is still around?!” You have to make up crap for people to read it.
Someone probably saw Jack at a party super smashed off of Grey Goose and made this up knowing he wouldn’t be able to remember crap about the night before.
Yah, he sounds hammered:
Dime: So what have you been up to this offseason?
SJ: I have a foundation. I opened a school, The Stephen Jackson academy in my hometown so that’s the big thing I’ve been doing this summer. I had my second annual foundation banquet. So it’s been a great summer for me, I got married this summer, so God has been good to me.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 28, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah this sounds pretty legit
if Jack’s going to go into that level of personal detail
by IQofaWarrior on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Isn't that Belvy?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Seriously
People see a fancy looking bottle of vodka and immediately jump to the “It’s Gray Goose!!!” conclusion.
Which one of these has trees on it?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 29, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll believe it when I hear it from a source that I trust.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 29, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll believe it when I hear it from a source that I trust.
IIRC Belvedere does have trees and Greygoose has birds. I don’t have a bottle of either here now as I can get Tito’s in a plain bottle for half as much and it tastes just as good.
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On a back porch in July
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Believe what?
If he like vodka, I’m sure he’s consumed GG & Belvedere (not to mention countless others). However, explain to me why you don’t see a smidgen of ocean or birds on the bottle he’s drinking and you do see a white tree (that looks like the one on the bottom of the bottle in the Belvedere picture I loaded), and yet still want further validation? Do you think I photoshoped the pictures?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 30, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I was referencing ZaMzAm FiRe's embarking on the "7 Stages of Grief" when this story first broke . . .
I’ll believe it when I hear it from a source that I trust.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Aug 28, 2009 4:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
You are always a dependable source as far as I’m concerned. Except that time you compared me to Walter from the Big Labowski. That was a bit unfair . . . Am I wrong DFiB? AM I WRONG?
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 30, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll believe you believe that when I hear it from a source that I trust.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 31, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Going meta are we?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 31, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Calmer than you are, dude.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 31, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha. That’s one of 2 movies I own. I rarely re-watch movies, but that one, Idiocracy and Brain Candy (which I don’t own) are movies I have to watch at least once every six months.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Idiocracy seems like a movie I'd like
But I can’t stand it. I think it’s just too dumb, expect for “Ow, my balls”.
Here’s my gold standard:
Or should I say my Blue Steel standard?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 31, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It helped me to look at Idiocracy as more Science Fiction than comedy. That really cemented it for me. It’s creepy-prophetic.
Zoolander is my benchmark for that type of movie. Rarely does one of those “let’s see how many jokes we can cram into each minute” movies surpass Zoolander. Dodgeball may have but that’s about it.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 31, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgeball?
Eeewwww. It wasn’t as bad as I was expecting, but still fell very flat for me.
As for idiocracy, it also falls a little flat, and combined with the reality of it all is just depressing. Flat, depressing movie, not so fun.
On a philosophical level, I’d rather have future be like the matrix (we’re so good at creating technology that it eventually overtakes us evolutionarily, leading to our extinction) than Idiocracy (our idiots procreate so much that we regress into a species of idiots, inevitably resulting in our extinction).
At least future archeologists will have some respect for us in the former case…
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 31, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Oooh! Maybe we can get Dunnleavy, he’s coming off an injury so they may be willing to part with him.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 28, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions
If this is true
forget Jackson. Warriors gave him everything and now he wants to leave. Go ahead and leave we don’t need his turnover prone, old, streaky jumpsjot anymore. What ever happened to being loyal
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Wow yeh, pretty punk move to pull on an organization that revitalized your career and rewarded you with a bloated contract.
by randolphforpresident on Aug 29, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I won't believe it until it actually becomes a "story". Not this
If so he does have trade value. His big issue is his attitude, your making more money then you should! Just be happy in this economy that you still have money! And I think we have a brighter future then the teams he named if Lebron leaves Cleveland. If the cavs lost LBJ and Shaq there screwed, Dallas is already starting to fall off some, I don’t see much in Houston other then Yao, San Antonio is old and really have no where to go but down,NY? Wow, that’s a new low Jack, what if Lebron goes somewhere else? If Wade stays in MIA? I don’t think NYK will get any Wade or Lebron type players, maybe an Amare though. Jack , your making a bad move here.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
horrible source
I remember REALGM having all those postings say monta wanted out which were all false so this isnt true
Come on guys, the Real GM story is just the same story
regurgitated. Now when a reputable source puts it up then we can beleive it. By the way he already has a ring from
SA.
by crab dribble cocktail on Aug 28, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions
Sportsnet Central
On Sportsnet Central they talked about calling Larry Riley in response to this quote, and while he did not say very much in response to it, the reporter stated that Riley wasn’t at all surprised by the news of Jackson wanting out of Golden State.
by randolphforpresident on Aug 29, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
i'll drop a tear . Sorry for the double post. Fail.
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by Anthony Randolph needs a beard on Aug 28, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions
Part of this is the organization's fault.
They had a chance to build a contender but they simply couldn’t manage their money and players.
The only reason the Warriors’ future still looks bright is because we were LUCKY to have Anthony Randolph fall to us at number 14 and Stephen Curry at number 7. If we weren’t LUCKY then our bad decisions would have just left us with only Monta and Biedrins after we had that amazing We Believe team to build with that we destroyed.
by Precise Films Productions on Aug 28, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions
I hope we get some
clearification soon, maybe put Jackson on KNBR or something, cause without Jackson, we have an even worse shot of making the playoffs because after Monta he is probably or best player.
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by goldenboywarrior on Aug 28, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions
Who will start at the SF is we don’t have Jackson?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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I still think Curry should come off the bench for the first half of the season
Monta/Watson
Morrow/Curry
Buike/Maggette
Randolph/Wright
Biedrins/Turiaf
"IT'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!"
YES!!! +1
Monta
Morrow
Bukie
Randolph
Biedrins
We can actually try and play 5 on 5 ball again without the ballhog that wanted to get his numbers up without caring about the team because he already knew he’d say this during the offseason.
by bojangles408 on Aug 28, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Caught me way off guard ..
I’ll look into it. I know people pretty close to Jack .. and I haven’t heard anything like this. They probably held out on me, but now that it is out there, we’ll see.
Is it lonely being one of the only reasonable people in the media?
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 29, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Cool
I hope he leaves because Morrow deserves to be a starter. He’s way more efficient and in time can maybe learn how to play D like Stack.
No cap'n... nooo!
I’m gonna miss Jax if this is true. I’m gonna be pissed too.
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Doubtfull any contender would take SJax
Most are way over the cap, unless they unload some bad contracts on us.
The knicks, not sure they would take him due to his contract.
Man, this team is going to be young. Might not be a bad thing.
Trade bwright/sjax for Amare!
btw, if this turns out to be true and Tim Kawakami didn’t report about it – boy is he loosing cred
No!
Enough of Amare, forever! I’m sad though, he’s the last person from the we believe tram that was the “heart and soul of the team”. First J Rich, then B diddy, now capn. jack.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
You don't want Amare?
What is there not to like about a rental, injury prone, take minutes away from our most promising players guy who doesn’t even want to be here?
by Sricko on Aug 28, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
who will he take minutes from? He will be playing center.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Why is that a good thing?
He’s not even a great center.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
Man.
I have been coveting Stephen Jackson for 3 years. He’d be a great triangle pg.
Unfortunately LA doesn’t have anything but Adam Morrison’s expiring contract.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
According to the article
He says he wants to leave for a contender, then states that he would want to go to NY with Al?? I think Al paid him some money to mess with everyone’s head. He still has bad blood with Nellie. We all know that Nellie loves Jack.
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If this is true
…and I hope it’s not, Jack will be the first ex-Warrior I will boo at games.
Vigorously.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Jack will be the first ex-Warrior I will boo at games.
Actually they deserve getting the shaft for the way they lied to JRich about not trading him. If Jax can settle the scored then I’m all for it. This is why you should treat players with respect, no one with better options wants to play for lying management .
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Only reason Mully traded J-Rich was to get KG...
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I wouldn’t boo Dunleavy. What he do to us that he didn’t do worse to himself? He’s a weak defender and a below average starter. He’s been mocked and boo’d enough, and it sucks to be him already. I don’t know why people boo the guy. He was probably doing his best, but he’s just kind of a wuss compared to the competition. He’d still own any of us on the basketball court.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
deserve
we deserve new ownership
I agree JRich was a good guy who was treated poorly – though an attempt to get Garnett was worth taking some chances. But, if Jack was so upset about Jason, he didn’t have to sign a contract that makes it likely we’ll be giving up something to move him.
Same old s…tuff, different day.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
I usually defend the players in these types of situation, my motto is, if the organization treats you as an expendable commodity, you have every right to do the same.
If this is true, however, I will put Jackson in the same boat as Brett Favre. Selfish, and takes advantage of a team that has been loyal to him unlike any other player they’ve had recently.
Since this is an interview from his mouth and he has not denied it, I am going to assume it is true.
He has every right to want to go to a contender, but he doesn’t have to leave a team hostage by signing an extension behind the GM’s back for more then he is worth. If that is how you feel, then why did you have to sign the contract making you untradeable that only the Warriors would give you, and then severley handicap them by letting the rest of the league know you don’t want to play for them.
I’m fine with a player getting his money, but not by taking advantage of an organization and then not honoring his half of the deal. It’s not like he is getting the short end of the stick with his playing time/position/all that. The organization has treated him great, and he repays them with this.
I’m sorry, I’ll still root for him if he’s on the team because as long as he is playing then I will assume this is frustration talk rather than anything serious, but if he goes or makes it even more public that he wants to be with a contender, then good riddance.
Still not as bad as Brett Favre though.
Disagree.
But they’re both bad.
Favre made a decision. He decided to retire. He went back on that, and decided he wanted to play. After Aaron Rodgers was given the starting job. He put himself above his teammate, and more importantly, he betrayed his teammate.
I don’t need to get into the Javon Walker incident, but if you are complaining about someone else’s contract negotiations, what does that make you when you hold an entire team (Vikings this year) hostage and wait until training camp is over to sign your deal, potentially ruining the careers of Jackson (who has pretty good stats, I don’t get why he is thought of as so bad?) and Rosenfels (who would have had a chance to become the starting QB and maybe turn into a starting QB in the league) by playing mind games and annouuncing your retirement/comeback every other week?
I would say it makes you a selfish hypocrite.
And it didn’t sound like his Jet teammates last year thought he was a very good teammate either, he didn’t make the effort.
I mean, I won’t blame him for all the attention he’s received, that’s a media problem, but his actions in the recent past do not suggest he is a good teammate.
Well... I don't think there is much comparison out there between Favre and Jackso...
…Except fans hate them now.
But I will say this, Favre was on his way out. The Packers didn’t want him, but he wanted to keep playing? How did he put himself above Rogers? He just wanted to keep playing well past his prime, not the first time an athlete wants to do that.
Jackson betrayed the team that took him in after everyone thought he was a degenerate nobody, then gave him a ridiculous contract extension. And now he turns his back on them….
Favre was shunned by organization, Jackson did the shunning. I think that is worse.
If Favre wanted to keep playing, he should not have announced his retirement.
What he did was make a tough decision. I respected that. However, not accepting the consequences of his decision and just deciding to come back because he could not handle his own choice. He did not think about the team, he did not think about Rodger’s career. He thought about himself, and decided to not accept the consequences of his decision at the expense of his teammate and team.
That’s being selfish.
If this is really the truth and Jackson foolishly went public with his trade demands, they should just give him the NY-Marbury treatment and make an example of him. Worst of all, this is setting a bad precedence for our young (and actually talented) players.
Jackson has absolutely no trade value in the NBA, especially after this. We could only move him for a worse contract and I don’t even know if such a contract exists. Just bench him, ban him, whatever. And if he wants a buy-out, he better be prepared to shave off 10’s of millions off his contract that he didn’t deserve in the first place.
"We Deserve"
I agree, at least repay the team that has done you good even while screwing its other players, GMs, and fans by not going public with your trade demands. To me that is a spit in the face, after all they’ve done for you you cannot even allow them the slightest bit of leverage.
All him going public does is ensure whichever team he gets traded to has to give up a little less.
I have a different view of Marbury than most, as far as similar treatment, that would be pretty harsh IMO, but I’m struggling to justify this from Jackson’s perspective as anything other than a selfish move. For all I know, Azubuike could be demanding a trade right now, but he sure as hell isn’t going public with it, even though he and basically every other current Warrior (does anyone disagree with this?) has been treated less favorably by the organization then Jackson. I can understand Jackson wanting to play on a contender, but going public with that desire is a selfish move considering his situation on the Warriors.
+1
I still think that’s what they should have done with Al. Teams should not let players force their hands. Esp. last year, when we were already beat up (no Monta) and clearly not going anywhere… Sit his ass on the bench and punish him and his career for poisoning the team. If his signing was “just about the money”, then let him sit on the bench and collect his money until we find a deal that WE like…
Crawford ended up turning out OK when it was all said and done, but not as good as it could have been. We’d have WAY more flexibility if we were sitting on an expiring Al than an expiring Speedy+Law.
I think he’s been talking to the organization about how pieces must be moved. We have an incredibly ridiculous log jam at the 2 and 3, now. It’s gotten worse with Curry here! Obviously, we all want to move Maggette to solve that problem, but no one wants him. My suspicion is that other teams have no interest in Maggs but show at least some in Jackson. We can get an expiring back and maybe a young player, which can help free up money to pay Randolph and Morrow. I have thought to myself that the Dubs best option is to trade Jacks, if they’re going to trade anyone except for the fact that Jack is the team leader. If the Dubs initiated the trade without him, that would create a serious problem for the team chemistry. However, if he agrees to it and announces it, that’s just leadership on his part that actually helps the team.
If we’re going to fix our logjam situation and have enough money to pay our young guys, this is the best case scenario. I don’t like him leaving. I want Maggs to leave. However, that’s not going to happen, so Jax is the best person to move and this is the best case scenario for the Warriors to have him announce that he wants to move. Everyone hates Jax, instead of the Dubs for this. Nice for the Dubs. I think Jax did us a favor and isn’t being selfish particularly. I don’t mind him wanting to play for a better team at all, either. He’s worked hard and has done lots of dirty work for us. Let him reap some playoff reward.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
Remember when
SJAX was quoted as saying Baron told him leaving for LA was a terrible move and wished he was back in the Bay Area?
I think Jack has a bit of a screw loose and says anything at anytime. Al probably got him all ginned up and then the reporter hit him up.
It’s going to very interesting to hear his retraction. The question will be is it a sincere retraction or one of those “taken out of context” excuse laden retractions? That will tell the tale.
“something in the air” - i think he was referring to Monta + Randolph + Curry - very evident that Cap Jack is going to have to take a scoring back seat from now on. No more 20/game —-more like 14.
I could take or leave him on the team this year. But if he can get the W’s who can get 8rpg or better – book it!
forget what he does or doesn't offer statistically
this is all about the warrior team and fan psyche. to have the heart and emotional center of this team, “the guy who makes love to pressure”, butt rape dubs fans by jumping ship when we have renewed optimism about the playoffs this year is a low blow.
sigh
I have mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand, I know without him we have less of a chance to make the playoffs this year since most likely we won’t get a player of equal value in return. I wanna see the dubs in the playoffs again soon!
On the other hand, this might accelerate our ability to rebuild with a good young core and surrounding with team first, good character players (ala Portland would be nice).
LGW
some corroboration
marcus T. II just put a short piece about it on his blog—the detail that gives it credibility, jackson has hired an agent to assist him finding a team. part of his successful gambit to get the extension directly from rowell was firing his agent and negotiating personally, we should recall with amusement.
leibnitz deserves our thanks and appreciation but it probably isn’t the best of all possible worlds we live in, granted, it’s not verifiable one way or the other. in a more just hoops world, jackson requesting an exit would give cohan motive to fire rowell.
A Capt Jack quote from http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3709347
“I’m extremely happy,” Jackson said. “The Bay Area has become my second home since I arrived here in 2007 and I can’t accurately describe how good it feels to be wanted and appreciated by an organization. The Warriors from Chris Cohan, Robert Rowell, Chris Mullin and Coach Nelson to the last person working in the front office have embraced me since day one. This organization has put me in a position to succeed and, for that, I will be forever grateful. I am really looking forward to the next several years, helping this young team win and providing my veteran leadership.”
So what's got Jack suddenly changing his mind?
I don’t think he’s got a beef with Nellie. Nellie loves him to death, gives him a green light, etc. Did he get mad because Keith Smart told him to stop complaining to the refs? What else could it be??? I really wonder.
by IQofaWarrior on Aug 29, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s mad. What he said was, “I didn’t make the decision myself.” He made it sound like it was the situation he was in. The guy is “the ultimate team player.” I think the organization is fine with him moving, as long as they can get something in return and clear up our log jam. This is probably best for the long term health of the club. Jackson is ageing, and if he gets injured this year, there goes his trade value. Then we have a really bad contract. Better to trade early than late.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
How the hell
do all you people want cap’n jack out of here. Hey let’s always have a young lineup that might have a great future! Um…Jack still has 4 good years left in him, and really i love morrow and buike, but jackson comon he’s our facilitator, he’s our heart, he’s our god damn leader for god sakes. Honestly, this is making me sad and depressed because Jackson put his best in every night. He was dedicated to winning and without him, there would be no we believe, or that 48 win season. Last year, sure the turnovers, but everyone else was injured, he had to take risks. He still had 20 ish ppg and 5-6 apg. A hard worker, Warrior for life. Jack don’t leave, your place on this team will be missed truly, but if he wants a ring then Golden State ain’t the right place ya’ll. Always about money in this business, not a sport. He’s cemented a place in our hearts and i’ll never forget the good (and bad) memories of s-jax. Stay true, and i Believe number 1 will be there come opening night
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Aug 29, 2009 2:29 AM PDT reply actions
i liked jax
ppl always complain he took bad shots, he dribbles off his foot, etc… but seriously, he was the only guy on our team that could do anything. He played 48 mins a game, defended against the other teams best player each game and pretty much had to do everything as we had no Monta.
jackson is a beast, the guy plays hard every game and wants to win more than anyone else i’ve seen play.
Having said that, I think he has good (not great) trade value and can def. put a team over the top looking to make a run at a championship. Lets just hope we can actually make a decent deal that makes all sides happy.
it's just a game.
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Jack still has 4 good years left in him
Jack may think he has 4 good years left in him, but I doubt you’d find many basketball people who thinks he has 4 good years left. He’s already 31.
by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, and his primary value as a “defender” will almost certainly decline each year as he gets older and continues to lose a step. Unless he goes dirty like Bowen.
Bowen was always dirty
He’s finally gone off into the sunset, thankfully, but he was in “he’s too old, he’ll start declining this year” for about 5 years. Jax still has a few years in him.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 30, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
"It was great for me, but at this point, I'm 31 years old.
I have four or five years left, I want to be in a situation where I can continually be in the playoffs and get another ring. So that’s where my mind is at now. “I’m just looking to go somewhere where I can go and win a championship.”
I, me, my… Send the ass…. to Milwaukee.
He demanded the respect of an extension last year and this fan, me, thought it was probably worth it. Against common sense, I defended his contract on this board. Like Rowell, I bought his crap and thought he’d be loyal. I cringed when he acted like a baby on the court but he was our guy. He had passion. I’m done making excuses for the guy.
Jack, you got a giant screw loose. Boooooooo.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Stephen Jackson ultimate in selfishness
I am saddened by this, because I don’t understand how he could do this…
This team takes him from Indiana where he was hated and thought of as “nothin” but a ghetto thug, to being respected both on and off the court …and gives him the infamous contract! How dare him!
The Warriors are a young and talented team, why can’t we be in the playoffs? It’s like he’s telling the team (Ant, Ammo, Monta, etc) that they ain’t worth a dime! AR thinks we can be in the playoffs! The young guns have been working hard all summer. Buike has been in Chicago working with a trainer; Curry has gotten a personal trainer and working out as well, and we all know about the Anthonys. They seem very positive about the team’s coming season season. Then along comes long thin can’t be trusted Jack!
I wonder where Monta’s head is. He and Jack communicate a lot.
I hope the front office group and coaches have enough insight to nip the possible negative effects on team morale in the bud. Don’t let it grow.
Teams operate off of emotion and belief in their abilities. Jack’s behavior could have a very negative effect on team attitude.
by deja8 on Aug 29, 2009 7:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well the good news if this is true is that he spouted off BEFORE we got rid of all our expirings’. So at least now there is a possibility of a package deal to at least get something of value for him. This would probably still leave us with Mag’s but depending on what we got I would be OK with him still coming off the bench.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
He said this last year
I remember early in the season when we went on that long losing streak he said the same stuff. what about stephen jackson day in san francisco!?!?
EXCELLENT!!
he’s by far our worst player under contract…. finally we’ll get over this useless piece of sheet who doesn’t care about team game, only about himself, can’t defend anything, can’t shoot, can’t handle the ball, can’t do nothing…..
even worst is the fact that he firmly believes he’s one of the best shooters out there…. and keeps shooting early on the clock, under pressure, etc etc
terrible bball IQ….
go away loser!
Can we trade him for baron davis?
=Gaucho=
“even worst is the fact that he firmly believes he’s one of the best shooters out there…. and keeps shooting early on the clock, under pressure, etc etc”
I find it funny that you say this about Jack, and then want to trade him for Baron Davis…
by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree
how about trade him for that pietrus guy?? his defense looked pretty good to me in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by nomoremopedsformonta on Aug 30, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
I’d be definitely okay with the idea of moving Jack. One of the biggest structural problems with this team, even stretching back before last season, is that Jack has been given a bigger role than he deserves. He’s notionally our defensive stopper, but his defense, while good, isn’t a difference-maker. He has the shooting frequency of a star, but the shooting accuracy of a role player. And while he’s a good passer for a swingman, the idea that he can be a real playmaker for a team got pretty thoroughly debunked last year.
I’m not convinced that a Warriors team without Jack would be any worse at all. It’d give us a rotation where everybody scores pretty efficiently, it’d help our rebounding, and it’d open up more minutes for Morrow and Azubuike, which is worthwhile. We’d still have serious issues, defense and playmaking among them, but at least Nellie and Riley wouldn’t be able to convince themselves that Jack can somehow fix those problems. And obviously our contractual situation would be a lot brighter without him.
Bad news is, of course, he’s not a very tradable guy… no other team is gonna like his contract much more than we do. There’s a slight chance that a contender that’s going all-in — Cleveland in an effort to keep Lebron, San Antonio in an effort to keep their window cracked open — would eat his contract, but overall, I don’t see it happening. Jack crippled his flexibility by negotiating his extension last year. I don’t begrudge him for that, as you should take what a team will give you… good on him for manipulating Rowell. But he’s probably stuck here for the foreseeable future.
The other interesting thing here, if you’re in a tea-leaves-reading mood, is it sounds like the Warriors are really, really high on Curry. I don’t buy the idea that Jack is worried about team quality all of a sudden — our future is brighter than it was a year ago. The only way he’s demanding a trade is if he’s sensing that his minutes and role will be reduced, and the only scenario in which I can see that happening is the scenario where Monta and Curry get a lot of minutes alongside each other. A Monta/Curry backcourt creates defensive question marks and makes the absurd logjam at the 2 and 3 even more absurd… there are real costs to it. The only way the team’s considering that route is if they think Curry’s going to be a really effective player. That doesn’t mean they’re right, of course, but it sure is interesting.
Will be fun to see how this develops. I can’t say that I’m too worried about it… Jack is too mediocre to screw up a team much with his complaining. I’d rather see him go nuts in the press than play 40 minutes a night.
by onlxn on Aug 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I don’t buy the idea that Jack is worried about team quality all of a sudden — our future is brighter than it was a year ago. The only way he’s demanding a trade is if he’s sensing that his minutes and role will be reduced
Bingo. He’s not going to get 40 minutes a night so he can call himself a 20ppg scorer and complain about not being an All-Star.
and the only scenario in which I can see that happening is the scenario where Monta and Curry get a lot of minutes alongside each other.
There’s also the possibility of a 3-guard, no defense, rotation of Monta, Morrow and Curry with Buike filling in as a 2 for more size/strength. You have Buike and Maggette at the 3 as well as some possible minutes for Randolph with Wright/Turiaf at the 4 on a given night. There’s actually a lot of scenarios at the G and SF spots that are preferable or as-good-as Jackson getting a ton of minutes.
I can’t say that I’m too worried about it… Jack is too mediocre to screw up a team much with his complaining. I’d rather see him go nuts in the press than play 40 minutes a night.
I’m a bit more concerned about this than you. I would say the players follow Jackson before anybody else in that organization and that has to do with who he is and how good the other players think he is rather than how good he actually is based on his production. I’m actually banking on the fact that he’s not going to want to cause problems since he’s finally (mostly) been able to resurrect his image, which was as bad or worse than Ron Artest’s.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 29, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say the players follow Jackson before anybody else in that organization
Probably true, but I don’t think the players really follow anyone all that much. If there’s a leader, it’s Jack, but I don’t think he’s nearly as much of one as he likes to claim. He’s friends with a couple guys, sure, but how many Warriors have credited him with inspiring them, forcing them to improve, anything like that?
I dunno. I’m not saying there’d be zero effect on team morale. But Jack is acting so transparently in his own self-interest (which I’m fine with, incidentally) that I don’t think any other guys will get angry at the organization or anything.
I’m actually banking on the fact that he’s not going to want to cause problems since he’s finally (mostly) been able to resurrect his image, which was as bad or worse than Ron Artest’s.
His quotes from last night made the top stories on ESPN.com, so if his goal is to avoid causing problems, he’s off to a bad start. Having said that, I’d more or less agree. The dude’s not Marbury. He’s savvy enough to realize that he’ll be doing himself no favors by pouting if we don’t trade him right away. I imagine we’ll keep him and he’ll fall more or less in line, come November.
He’s savvy enough to realize that he’ll be doing himself no favors by pouting if we don’t trade him right away. I imagine we’ll keep him and he’ll fall more or less in line, come November.
Yep, unless some other nitwit is willing to give up top dollar for him. He might pull a TMNT though.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 30, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not that bad!
We have Claxton!
Kidding aside, I’m getting sort of numb to this sort of thing. Everything goes wrong with the Warriors. However, I think we’re overrated Stephen’s abilities a bit. His shooting efficiency is mediocre and can’t rebound, and his turnover rate has risen every year. His defensive abilities have been largely hampered by the fact he plays out of position. He’s scoring more points, but only because he gets the ball more, not because he got more efficient. I really hate to admit this because he’s played with heart for us, but if we can trade him, it would be a good move for the Warriors. Biedrins has been way more effective for us.
Stephen Jackson’s contract will be hard to move, though, so I’ll be interested in you guys’ thoughts on how to do this.
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this is not a surprise
You have to remember… when these players sign contracts, many of them, if not the majority – are looking at it different than us fans.
They consider themselves employees of the National Basketball Association.
The contract is the most important thing.
Which franchise’s uniform they wear, is definitely, secondary for most.
Jack got his contract, now he’s asking to wear another uniform.
We should never consider a signing to mean that a guy really wants be here.
Its actually a quite “fair” position to take.
Think about it … a franchise can, basically, trade you whenever they want to.
What’s wrong with a worker, empowering himself, and forcing a deal?
Or should franchises have all the leverage?
I know the money the players are making is “absurd”, but what about all the loot the teams make?
If they can afford to pay it …
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when these players sign contracts, many of them, if not the majority – are looking at it different than us fans.
All good points you make and as NBA fans we actually benefit from the liquidity although with our management it is hard to believe it, the warriors might suck but the lakers are great for instance.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just thinking about it
We’ve got Speedy and Law, right?
Can we move them along with Jax to a team for someone efficient?
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Could this be the infamous video?
Stack Jack and Pulled my Back Harrington, shoe block party (audio cut out, what?!?!?!)
Monta Ellis- 23 ppg 5 asst 5 rebs 2 stls
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I say we should trade him to the Rockets for Trevor Ariza
It helps both parties. Jackson said he’s willing to play for one of the Texas teams, and Ariza is like a stronger and younger version of Jackson.
No way in hell the Rockets take that deal
They actually know what basketball efficiency means (see Scola, Battier, Hayes, Brooks, etc.).
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
haha
yeh right. Its debatable what Jack really brings to a team. Ariza on the other hand has so many things going for him: great defender, athletic, young, very solid 3 point shot, not turnover prone, doen’t take many bad shots, and has playoff experience (just won a ring).
Jack: slow, turnover-prone, not very athletic, takes a lot of bad shots, decent defender (when he isn’t taking a play off), led the league in technicals.
In my opinion these two guys aren’t even in the same league, and it seems likely that the margin between them is only going to continue to widen in the next couple of years.
by randolphforpresident on Aug 29, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ariza on the other hand has so many things going for him: great defender, athletic, young, very solid 3 point shot, not turnover prone, doen’t take many bad shots, and has playoff experience (just won a ring).
Ariza is not a good 3pt shooter over his career. He just caught fire in the playoffs. He isnt turnover prone because he doesnt make plays off the dribble and doesnt do much on offense. Playoff expirience and wining rings are kind of over rated, see Posey, James. And Jackson has considerably more playoff expirince than Ariza and was also the starting 2 guard on a championship team.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 29, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Stephen Jackson for Shane Battier?
T-Mac won’t come back to all star weekend and Yao’s out for the whole season, the Rockets need a scorer. They already have a young Battier in Trevor Ariza, so why not trade Jackson for Battier? The Warrior’s don’t need a scorer, they need some defense. Battier’s one of the best defenders in the league, and his 3 point shooting is good too. Also, he’s pretty cheap. I’d rather have Battier as leader because he’s probably the nicest guy in the NBA and he always seems have a positive influence when it comes to the team.
battier valued extremely highly in Hou
regarded as the mvp there w/o Yao. R.Gay and Swift were traded to Mem to get him and he met expectations. He is exactly the kind of player this team needs in place of either jackson or m’gette. Trade values shift around in Jan when contending teams reassess and possibly deal with injuries—i’d be surprised if they find a deal for jackson before then.
Why would Houston do this?
Battier is, statistically, one of the best make-your-team-better players in the league. Why the hell would they trade him for Jackson? For points? Von Wafer filled that roll last year. Scorers are a dime a dozen in the NBA. You hear that, Monta?
Why would Houston do this?
Doesn’t SJax live down gulf coast way? Maybe they’d like a local boy on their squad?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
local =/= worthwhile
Would he take a pay cut to live near home? Even so, I doubt the Rockets would take him for half his current salary. Seriously.
Here’s my W’s turnaround strategy:
Larry Ellison buys the team and hires Daryl Morey at whatever price he demands.
Morey (Rox GM) is the best in the business right now.
trade for Rudy Fernandez and a 1st round pick.
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kevin pritchard is pre-emptively hanging up all of his phones over and over, waiting for riley’s call.
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by cap'n hack on Aug 29, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a just world, with a sane organization,
Rowell would be fired on the spot. He gave him the extension so that he wouldn’t make waves with trade demands, and then.. he does anyway. Somewhere Chris Mullin is smiling.
Of his preferred destinations, which is even remotely plausible? Cleveland seems like a possibility, as they have a couple of strangely bad contracts (Varejao and Boobie Gibson), but Varejao can’t be traded before December 15. NYK aren’t gonna take his contract; SAS is pretty set for this season; Dallas will probably never trade with us as long as Cuban and Nellie exist; and Houston is much too smart to make a Jackson trade.
by ivanbe on Aug 29, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
In a just world, with a sane organization, Rowell would be fired on the spot. He gave him the extension so that he wouldn’t make waves with trade demands, and then.. he does anyway. Somewhere Chris Mullin is smiling.
The only justification for that extension was to avoid this situation (not that it was a reasonable justification) and yet here we are.
Also, I hate it when players negotiate extensions and then demand trades. If you didn’t want to play here then just finish out your deal and go somewhere else, or try to work a sign and trade. Don’t commit to a team you’re not willing to play for. Ugh…
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Aug 29, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
NYK aren’t gonna take his contract
I posted a Jackson for Jeffries+Wilson Chandler a little bit above. That would make sense for the Warriors and the Knicks.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 29, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Incidentally
The trade works out financially without Chandler. I know the Knicks like him a lot, so they may try to withhold him from the trade and include… somebody.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 30, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Knicks may actually prefer adding Chandler, that way the overall deal doesn't cut into the 2010 cap
Jack for Jeffries would add $1.6M to the payroll in 2010. Adding Chandlers makes it about even. Plus Jackson would make Chandler expendable anyways.
any idea how far under the cap NY is next year? Would 1.6 mil affect their ability to attract LeBron/Wade/Bosh? I kinda like the Jeffries for Jackson trade idea.
Thing A
its hard to tell because you don't know what the cap will be, cap is supposed to drop
I heard they actually want to cut more payroll to try and get Two Max players.
They have $27.3M committed in 2010.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=r0EIACYJtq4Wgjl-ZmYzRug&gid=22
The cap is supposed to fall between $51M – $55M in 2010. So you can guesstimate they currently have $24M-$28M in capspace depending where the cap is.
Shard Lewis deal in 08/09 started around $16.5M, So you figure Two Max players you need atleast $33M in capspace. They have work to do.
not sure how much they would need the 1.6,
Jack is known around the league as a good teammate and he might help the Knicks bring in some fans. This trade makes alot of sense for both teams.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 30, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus they need to win. Utah owns their 2010 1st(unprotected)
Could you imagine if that picked ended up in the lottery, #1 overall? That would look bad, NY media would beat that to death.
Why the Al+Jax in NYC scenario cracks me up
It’s simple: Al will not be in NY next year. Period. They will trade him by mid-season. I’d bet on this in Vegas if I could. If Al thinks he’s part of the “rebuilding” strategy of the Knicks, he’s smoking crack. He’s a gap-filler, that’s all. He’s an expiring. And they could have had Jax in a sign-and-trade for David Lee IF Jax hadn’t signed that extension. But even so, he just be an expiring to them too.
These guys are both too high on themselves.
2:1 odds on Harrington ending up in Milwaukee or Memphis: possibly before the season starts in a sign-and-trade for Sessions, otherwise as a free agent next year, since no one else will pay him what he thinks he’s worth.
100:1 odds on Harrington staying in NYC.
this is truly sad
hopefully we just trade him so we never have to watch jax dribble the ball off his foot again.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 29, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions
I agree
As much as I cringed whenever he handled the ball, he made the difficult shot when it mattered most. I still feel when the game’s on the line I’d give the ball to either Monta or Jackson. Having said that I do think it’s best to trade him. But no way he ends up with a contender with his contract. Unless he has a no-trade clause, even with an agent, he probably ends up somewhere like the T-wolves for a Devean George clone.
somebody pinch me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dreams do come true. god im gonna miss cpt.crack crying to the ref while his teamates get to play 4 on 5 defense. wonder why they give up so many pts? how many times a game does he pull that crap? too bad somebody else will be taking those 3s next year. ive been having nightmares all summer thinking about morrow and curry sitting there watching their team capt “throw up” airballs from 3 pt land. good riddance!! gonna miss u jack.
by nomoremopedsformonta on Aug 30, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions
how
is Stephen just going to become the main captain and sign an extension and then want to leave us. I don’t blame him for wanting to leave because we are a horrible franchise and no players want to go here so we will not get that one player we are missing. But the thing that pisses me off is saying that he wouldn’t mind going to new york with that trader Al!! they aren’t any better than us. They are us except they are on the east coast. He really thinks he can win with the knicks!! good luck and good ridence stack jack.
Perhaps the Wizards are feeling enough buyers’ remorse to make this trade:
Gilbert back to the Bay.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
I say Trade HIm
His value seems to be really high right now and with KA and Maggs to we really need him?
I could see him fetching a player like JR Smith, Roger Mason or someone of that level plus a 1st round pick.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 30, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions
Any chance this is a stunt masterminded by the front office?
Jax has shown he has some sort of relationship with Nellie and Rowell that we will never fully understand.
Is it possible he did this to create a storm of trade discussion so the Warriors could hope to create new trade scenarios? It seems like trade talks have gone nowhere recently and some sort of incident is necessary to get us back in the hunt for a real player – sorry Mr Moore, but we need a franchise guy right now.
by warriorsvictim on Aug 31, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions
E-Gad...
The Merk is reporting that the Mav’s want to do a swap of Jax for Jason Terry. Please just say no.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
this is funny cause he isn’t going anywhere, and thats his own fault. i can’t see any average team let alone good team giving up anything whatsoever to take on that contract. Captain Jack Made his bed when he went for the big money last year and now he is going to have to finish out his career lying in it. Better make the most of it to not ruin the bit of repair he had done to his rep since he’s been here.
he could also look at the bright side as there are some pieces to work with here. the western conference as a whole wasnt nearly that great last year and had the warriors not being hampered so much with injuries they likely could have still been battling out for the 8th seed at the end of the year. course they would have been out in the first round cause they would have faced the lakers. but hey, some seasons just get out of your control like that. will be curious to see come season starting when he’s still on the team if he acts like a grown up and leader, or tries to emotionally tank the team.
You know what would be funny?
The Warriors trade Jack to a bottom feeding team, like the Kings, Wizard, Grizzlies, or the TWolves. How do you like your championship contending team now???
by IQofaWarrior on Aug 31, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Other stupid GM's? Steve Kerr
Would Phoenix aquire Jack? His contract would lead you to say no, however what if it allowed them to dump more money for next season to throw at Amar’e.
Jack(4 yrs 7+mil)Speedy(1 yr 5mil) for J-Rich( 2 yrs 13+ mil)
This move allows them to shave 5 mil off J-Rich’s contract to try and keep Amar’e with during the summer. In 2 years Nash comes off the books, suddenly Jack’s contract isn’t so bad.
J-Rich comes back to the bay, rescues the locker room from peril, we go to the playoffs?
We’d have to trade Monta or J-Rich in the near future to clear up a serious logjam at the 2. We’ve got to get Morrow and Curry minutes, and we have C.J. as a solid backup 1 as well. J-Rich is not remotely ideal for our team.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
T-Mac & Chuck Hayes?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kvojr2
I say this because the Warriors get rid of contracts they honestly don’t need and recieve Bay Area native Chuck Hayes and Tracy McGrady in return. It would benefit the Warriors because they are expiring contracts while they get rid of horrible ones. Stephen Jackson said he wanted to go to a title contender OR any team from Texas & NY. The HOU lineup would be:
C-Anderson(Yao?)
PF-Scola
SF-Ariza
SG-Jackson
PG- Brooks
6th Man- Maggette
GSW Lineup:
C-Biedrins/Turiaf
PF-Wright/Hayes
SF-Randolph/Azubuike
SG-McGrady(When he returns)/Morrow/Ellis
PG-Ellis/Curry/Law/Watson
I don’t think the Rockets want to ruin their books for the next 4 years with both Maggette’s and Jackson’s contracts. The Dubs are f’ing DUMB for extending Jackson and paying Maggette that much. The Rockets aren’t that dumb.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
Ha..I bloody knew it....
Jul 24 I had posted this
[quote]Stephen Jackson….. Again personally, I feel like his turnaround as a person and his efforts in the community are beyond comparison..however I see storm clouds brewing… Monta Ellis has made it clear he wants to be seen as GSW’s “Leader”. Now that may not be “floor general” leader but overall leader. (I think he has a couple of years to go yet to learn HOW to lead, but thats another topic).
Jackson on court can be super hot from the 3, can defend most key NBA players well (his job on Kobe is always good to watch) however, he has a horrible turnover rate, he thinks he is a better handler of the rock than he truly is, he spends WAY too much time arguing and complaining to the refs when he should be back on “D” and due to the players we now have, I can see his time being reduced and this is not going to go down well with him.[/quote]
WELL THE STORM ARRIVED! Thanks Jackson…. yet another overpaid sports star, who believes his own hype then sticks the knife in the very fans who gave him their very best support when no one else would….
YOU CRASS ARROGANT PUNK!
Ship his ass outta here, at least Magette is happy with his position of 6th man….somethin Jackson was never going to like and he knows damn well that Randolph, Monta and Curry are going to be taking the spotlights with supporting acts from Andris, Morrow and co…. Jackson is doing what he did last year and throwing a tantrum….
If New York want him…tell him to bugger off!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Aug 31, 2009 11:16 PM PDT reply actions
also forgot to mention.....mark my words....
Monta Ellis is not as “fully” behind this club as he is being touted right now and I could easily see Monta requesting a trade to go to New York to be with Jackson and Harrington…..
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Aug 31, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a pretty over the top reaction to a player simply saying he wants to play for a championship contender because he’s getting old…
by Missing Barry on Sep 1, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
sugar coat it all ya like....
Having thrown his toys out of the pram last year he got what he wanted….as far as I am concerned, if being with a top team was so important to him…he should have walked last year…
However he took the money (which in my book means he should have committed to this team to see out his career).
In short…PUNK MOVE…
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 1, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He got paid. Things changed. He said he wants to go to a championship team. Someone even suggested something I found funny – that he played the Warriors front office, got money from them nobody else would give him, and now is trying to get into the situation he wants. If that’s true, that’s probably the most respectable move he’s ever made. I can’t hate on someone for being more clever than the front office. It’s not like Jack actually has control of his situation, though. We can keep him around if we want. I’m not sugarcoating it, I’m simply not going to completely overreact to the fact that a player had a possible change of heart and wants something a crappy organization like the Warriors can’t provide him.
To compare it to a real life job, it’s like he made a commitment to a company he liked at first, but now he’s realized there’s a glass ceiling on what he can accomplish there so he’s looking to go to another company. Given the Warriors reputation as a company, I can’t say that I really blame him.
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
What kind of fan doesn’t feel betrayed by Jack? WE can bitch and moan all we like about how dumb this contract was but in the end the reason given by both parties for the early and sizable extension used words like love and loyalty and trust. The time for criticizing Rowell was a year ago. Plenty did. It’s on Jack now.
The guy is a self centered, whining, 200 pound child with absolutely NO impulse control. We don’t need “leaders” like that. And I have no time for fans who think he was clever in his betrayal. He lied last year. And if you are a Warriors fan, when that guy looked into the camera and said he wants to end his career in the Bay Area, he lied to YOU.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
He lied last year. And if you are a Warriors fan, when that guy looked into the camera and said he wants to end his career in the Bay Area, he lied to YOU.
Haha, Guess you’ve never changed your mind about anything?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 2, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Changing a mind and reneging on a commitment are two different things. A commitment comes with certain responsibilities. If he were truly clever, or even a professional, he would have helped the Warriors keep his value up by keeping his fat mouth shut.
Rowell didn’t have to give him the extension. As bad a manager as he seems to be, I think it is safe to assume he believed Jackson made a commitment to this organization. A 30 million dollar commiitment.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
A commitment comes with certain responsibilities.
Hmm….so the team can go out and trade a player whether the players wants it or not, despite making a “commitment” to them, but if the player wants to get traded, somehow he’s not fulfilling his commitment? It doesn’t seem like we’re looking at all sides equally to me…
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
All sides aren’t equal if you are a fan. You pull for your team. What Jackson said last week did not help HIS team. And it didn’t help him.
I’m not a cynical fan of the NBA. I admit to reasonable homerism. I like my players to have good character as well as a nice shot. The particular mix of Jackson’s situation, words, and actions – as described so well this past week – reflect poorly on the leadership qualities Rowell paid for last year.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
“reflect poorly on the leadership qualities Rowell paid for last year.”
I’ve never quite understood this Jackson as a leader stuff. I think there’s enough past evidence to reasonably conclude if Jackson is a “team leader”, your team has problems…
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I think there’s enough past evidence to reasonably conclude if Jackson is a "team leader", your team has problems…
Yep. Though it’s a bit easier to say that now than last year when “We Believe” still had some legs.
We Believe was about many things, but one endearing aspect was the redemption quality of so many individual stories. The bad, the immature, and the rejected showed the world they could rise above the low expectations the rest of the NBA had for them. Last week Jackson undid whatever was left of that.
Do you know this one? I’ve thought about it more than once this week.
A scorpion wanted to cross a river, so he asked the fox to carry him. The fox refused because the scorpion would sting him. That would not be logical, explained the scorpion, because if he stung the fox they would both drown. So the fox agreed to carry the scorpion. Half way across, the fox felt a terrible pain – the scorpion had stung him. There is no logic in this, exclaimed the fox. I know, replied the scorpion, but I cannot help it – it is my character.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Sep 2, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, it’s a business. All the people with monetary interests involved do whatever they can to promote those interests. Stephen Jackson is no different. Can’t say I let it bother me one bit. I don’t feel the least bit betrayed by Jack. He’s given us far more than I expected when we traded for him.
Earlier in the thread I’ve been discussing with Naticus why I hate Dunleavy – at least I think I’m being consistent right now, while Dunleavy disappointed us with his play, Jack exceeded expectations, so I’m pleased with him and will continue cheering for him.
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we ought to not jump to conclusions. He’s been doing pretty well for our team. He may well play one more year for us or more, if we can make a trade and improve the team enough to make him happy. We should be doing that anyway.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
What do you guys think?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mggwra
Jack and Maggs just don’t fit on our team!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Another decent scenario for all teams involved.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ntkrxo
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
In your first scenario, no team in their right mind would take Jackson and Maggette’s contract, unless we threw in Morrow and Randolph to bribe them to take it. In your 2nd, Miami is getting screwed. Maggette’s contract is horrendous, he plays bad defense, he’s injury prone, and they lose a useful big man.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
I made a fanshot like this!
Except it had Wright going to Miami so it would make more sense for everyone and I threw in Law to Dallas.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
If there's one good thing that has come from this....
it’s that Rowell and Cohan have been exposed as the fools they are for the whole league to see. Please sell the team. The Warriors franchise and their fans deserve better.
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