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Originally posted Aug 29, 2009 10:16 AM PDT

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Interesting news that Jax wants to be traded. I wouldn't call it surprising. He's a loyal guy. Loyal to people he's close with, not necessarily the Warriors franchise, Cohan or Rowell.

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Look at it from his perspective:

- Great big 2007 playoff run. We Believe. That team never had a chance to play a full season together.

- Trade a key piece of the team, JRich, for BWright (so far a bust) and an unused trade exception, money that goes straight into Mr. Cohan's pockets

- One of his good friends on the team, Baron Davis, doesn't get a contract extension after literally putting this franchise back on the map. So he's gone from the team.

- Another of his close friends on the team, Al Harrington, has been so unhappy with how he's treated, that he demands a trade. Wish granted, he's gone.

- Chris Mullin, the guy who believed in Jax enough to trade for him, was essentially fired.

- He has to play 100 minutes per game because the players on the bench aren't good enough to give him a breather. Why would he want to continue to play on a team of developing players? Actually, why do we want to watch a team full of developing players?

- The team made no significant move this offseason to improve the team. Drafting a rookie, does not count. Having Monta stay off 2 wheeled motorized vehicles for an entire summer (almost there), does not count either.

So, I ask you, why would he want to stick around? Is it really that surprising?

Cohan and Rowell deserve it. They got fooled, badly. Jax got them to give him a big, fat contract extension that he would never have got from any other franchise. No other franchise would have come close to those dollars and that length. Now they're stuck with a trade demand from the guy who they thought could lead this team to glory.

The fans, we get screwed. The fans are always the last ones anyone cares about. The players don't ever stick around because of the fans. The owners never do anything for the fans. In both cases, it's always about making money. They have a lot, we don't.

This trade demand will not turn out well for the Warriors. How could it? A lengthy, expensive contract will only get you a lengthy, expensive contract back in return. Riley, have fun with that one.

You know who's laughing?
Chris Mullin
Al Harrington
Jason Richardson
Baron Davis
And hopefully Mickael Pietrus just because I want to imagine him laughing. He's got to have a funny laugh, I have this image in my head of him laughing like the Count on Sesame Street - Ah Ah Ah

 

And you thought the Warriors offseason was boring. It's a great time out.

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Assuming he will be traded, when will Jax be traded?
Before the start of the regular season
1159 votes
From the start of the regular season to the trade deadline
951 votes
Next offseason
257 votes
None of the above
492 votes

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I would bet that Pietrus laughs like Baron Samedi

Or Pedro Serrano from Major League.

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 29, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ahah all state man

came into my work the other day i called him serrano n he laughed

by itsAteamGAME on Aug 29, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should've offered him some rum and a cigar

Maybe he would hook you up with some sick curveball insurance

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 29, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats’s President Palmer to you.

Thing A

by sam23 on Aug 29, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No Chance

As much as we would love to him happy there is no chance we can get anyone to take on his contract, esspecially with 2010 coming up no one wants to spend that money. Another warrior miscue thats going to screw us long term.

by warriorsfanofthenorth on Aug 29, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

i believe jacks is a very solid roll player and no team is going to want him for that kind of money…

by Young Moolah on Aug 29, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It’ll hard to find a taker for Jax, so we’ll probably have yet another disgruntled player around. Jax would be a great player to have coming off the bench or playing hard as a starter who plays tough defense while not needing that many touches on offense—but those skills are not really in line with his contract IMO.

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by worldblee on Aug 29, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bench him!

two overpaid vets off the bench!

by mosdl on Aug 29, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maggette > Jackson

Honestly I liked Jackson a lot, but after his comments its made me realized that Maggette is better than Jackson. Maggette always draws a foul or somehow scores points and I think he rarely commits any turnovers. Jackson on the other hand always dribbles into traffic with nothing going for him, takes contested three pointers, and I think his overall efficiency is worse than Maggettes.

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by ballin on Aug 29, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying that because of what Jackson said, your’e changing your mind about his game?

by alexortman on Aug 29, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette is a better scorer than Jackson. I’d give Jack the overall edge when he’s putting effort on D, though.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggs is great at drawing fouls, but his passing leaves a lot to be desired. Jack is slightly better in the passing department.

by ryogahibiki on Aug 29, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette's nickname is THE BLACKHOLE,because he sucks all of the offense in.

Yeah sure he can get to the line,but if he doesn’t get the call,he begins to takes bad shots to get himself into the game and that causes everyone to just stand around and watch him.All this guy cares about is his stats,even KG said it out loud.
Maggette SUCKS!I hope his minutes goes down to 20,but then again we’re overpaying him so we have to play him.

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by Curry on Aug 29, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette has his problems as a player, but you have to at least acknowledge he’s a good scorer. He scores at a pretty high rate, and does so very efficiently. When Maggette shoots the ball, it helps his team.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but after his comments its made me realized that Maggette is better than Jackson

so before his comments, Jax was better? lol. Jax is a complete player who plays D, Mags is a black hole with a worse contract. ’Nuff said.

by RowellMustGo on Aug 29, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

we should bench him! he had become a liability on offense anyways with those constant turnovers and terrible shots.

by leo2008 on Aug 29, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The real shame is that if Rowell hadn't given him that extension ...

… he’s have a lot of value to a team like Cleveland. I’d swap him for expiring contracts/junk and Cleveland’s 2011 (eg, first year after Lebron) first round pick.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 29, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Buy out?

Think he will agree to one?

by mosdl on Aug 29, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know who's laughing?

  don’t forget Matty Barnes and probably Jamal Crawford too?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's because he knows that the organization sucks.

Everytime this team gets somewhere, they end up starting a new rebuilding process. Name me at least 1 or 2 good moves that the Warriors have made since the We Believe days? Trading J-Rich had the potential of making the team even better, but it just resulted in a wasted 10 million dollar TPE, and a bunch of other bad moves. Intead of building on that Playoff team that we had, the front office decided to break it up and start a new rebuilding process.

And yes, we do have a lot to look forward to with our young players. But really, the only reason we have Anthony Randolph right now is because we got LUCKY to have him fall to us at number 14. It has nothing to do with our front office being “good”. If we hadn’t gotten lucky to get him, we’d be an incredibly crap team with only Monta and Biedrins as our future (assuming that we didn’t get lucky to have Stephen Curry fall to us in the draft either).

by Precise Films Productions on Aug 29, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame him

He stuck around last year on a team post-Baron, post-JRich, post-AL, post-Mullin. Why would he want to stay with team who treats their best players like that? Or stick around with a bunch of overhyped “young-guns” led by Monta who’s ego is bigger than his actual game. Jax simply bailed on a sinking ship. Don’t worry though, I hear the Warriors are discussing a S Jax for Brian Scalabrine trade.

by RowellMustGo on Aug 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

realistically from a business stand point, J-Rich and Mullin are the only ones that were treated poorly. as much as Baron did, from a business stand point, could you really see giving him the money and years he wanted for how injury prone he is and his age? And as for Al? well he wasnt really any good after that initial we believe drive. Really inconsistent.

Someone mentioned Matt Barnes and Crawford laughing now. If by laughing that is cause we just didnt resign Barnes, or That Crawford didn’t have room here so we did him a favor and traded him to a team that will be in the playoffs next year? don’t really see that as a thing to be laughing at, as apposed to thanking.

by dannyschmanny on Sep 1, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a rec

For listing everything he’s gotten from being a Warrior that makes him a good guy to pay attention to nowadays, instead of being the guy who jumped in the stands with Artest, or shot a gun in the air.

Btw, when he mentioned Texas teams, he probably listed them as being “close to home”, not championship contenders. As for the Knicks, he probably listed them so he can play with his best bud and shoe partner Al.

by IQofaWarrior on Aug 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How bout this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lfcf2a

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by dubzero23 on Aug 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure he’d rather stay here than get shipped off to Minnie.

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by JustSomeName on Aug 29, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who cares

he doesn’t have a no-trade clause. he wants out he can go.

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Aug 29, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MN fan here, stopped by to commiserate

But first, would you mind explaining why my Wolves, in the earliest stages of rebuilding, would be interested in giving up two young players with cheap, short-term deals (Gomes’ 4 year contract is comprised of yearly team options) for a 31 year old on a sizable long-term deal?

I mean, I feel bad for your situation here, but not that bad.

by John Doe on Aug 29, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, the real question is, why would anyone give up anything worthwhile for Stephen Jackson? Honestly, I think this is all a moot point because no contenders want Jack enough to give us anything worthwhile for us. So in the end, he won’t get traded.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's stupid .. I lovE

How Jackson thinks any contender really wants him. I mean I would trade Jackson for jj hickson and d west but those othr teams don’t have anything valuable they would give up for Jackson

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by montadaboss on Aug 30, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The More Things Change The More They Stay The Same!

I’m tired of people who pretend to say all the right things then wham! The Warriors revived his career which was in shambles. Now that ungrateful bastard wants out! Screw you Jack! May you be sent to the purgatory of the L.A. Clippers! or have a miserable Toronto experience! I’d rather ship him of the worst place possible!

You want out? You proved who you really are! You are who they said you are! Don’t let the door hit ya in the ASS!

by samiam2112 on Aug 29, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lgcjlz

Ideally, we could try to pull off a trade like this. But we would likely have to give up Andris or Turiaf for Houston to have real incentive to go for it. Something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgfvf8

Basically a trade like this could put us in the running for a big name player next year like Bosh/Amare/etc.

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by LostHawkGSW on Aug 29, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point about Mullin . . .

“Interesting” as in “Wow, you’ve decided to get your eyeball pierced. Interesting . . .”


- Chris Mullin, the guy who believed in Jax enough to trade for him, was essentially fired.

Chris Mullin believed in Mike Dunnleavey, Troy Murphy, Ike Diagou and Al Harrington. Mullin’s guys were obviously not working in the system that the coach, that he hired, was running. They HAD to take Jackson back in the trade because Indiana needed to ditch him because the fans had completely turned on him. In fact, they agreed to take a chance on Jackson after Nelson, not Mullin, got reassurance from Greg Popavich.

Mullin gave Dunleavy and Murphy large extensions and reportedly didn’t want to trade Ike. We know he wanted Harrington. He tried to sign him as a FA and almost had him before Indiana traded Peja to Charlotte to create the cap room.

Most importantly, if Mullin was so supportive of Jackson, why did Jackson circumvent Mullin completely and negotiate his extension directly with Rowell?

Also interesting:

- Trade a key piece of the team, JRich, for BWright (so far a bust) and an unused trade exception, money that goes straight into Mr. Cohan’s pockets

So he waits 2 seasons and 3 off-seasons then says "Hey! You guys never gave me a chance to play with the J-Rich a second season even though we had a better team and won more games in a tougher conference after you did that. Then I thought about it for another year and concluded that I want out.

B. Wright also isn’t a “bust” by any reasonable definition. He’s still improving every year. Diagou and POB are “busts”.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 29, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I have to agree on the point about Wright

I don’t get why he takes so much flak. First off, Nelson never gives him any opportunities. Second off, we knew this is how the situation with him would be. He was always a project, a guy whose natural athleticism and talent was supposed to blossom 3 or 4 seasons down the road. He’s only be in the league two seasons, and he’ll only be 22 next season. And even when he’s played, he hasn’t been bad by any stretch. Decent rebounding numbers for his playing time, decent shot blocking, and a career .536 FG%.

On what planet, I ask, is Brandan Wright a bust?

by walk off bunt on Aug 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem he had

Was foul trouble. Which caused Nellie to pull him and put in Maggs. When BW was able to stay in the game, he was usually impressive. SO not a but yet

by mosdl on Aug 29, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first year it was the fact that he wasn’t running the floor and other normal rookie mistakes and inconsistency.

Last year, after he finally started putting it together, he started playing and starting for the most part. He just got injured. But he’s improved both years and is a legitimate rotation player in the NBA as a second-year player. That’s pretty good progress for a #8 pick.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 29, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s interesting that you think B Wright isn’t a bust

by RowellMustGo on Aug 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

B Wright's a skinny kid in a man's game

He can get stronger. Big men take time to develop. He’s 21 years old as of today.

Expecting Wright to be good out of the box isn’t consistent with how Andris developed. Young Andris took three years until he was a useful player.

by Noe_Valley on Aug 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It’s interesting that you think B Wright isn’t a bust

Why do you think he’s a bust?

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 29, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a bad opinion if you think he is a bust. If he was coming out of college as a junior right now (and the #2 overall pick), you would give him time to prove himself. He’s still young, and he’s shown decent numbers when he has played. How can that possibly be a bust? That’s simply a bad opinion.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys

He’s not pissed that mullin left. Mullin didn’t wNt to extend him. He wAnted to trade him for prince then rowell extended this buffoon.

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by montadaboss on Aug 30, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there goes are "captain"

although i never quite saw him as a leader(unlike baron) and more of a selfish primadonna, he is an essential piece to this team. im upset that he had to go public with it. in doing so, he slapped the fans in the face, unintentionally or not. and moving his bloated contract is a problem all on its own. Who is honestly going to be willing to take him on while all this penny-pinching is going on in the NBA? He will be a disgruntled W going into this year, some fans will probably boo him, some will not. Hopefully he doesnt blow up w frustration from being here.

by itsAteamGAME on Aug 29, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

surprised

I never thought I would see it NOW.

by justinleagueheroes on Aug 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Please Trade him.

I really think it would be good for moving the franchise forward. No more bench log jam, less turnovers. And forcing Nelly to give the youngins more playing time. Plus he wants out, no need to have a player that doesn’t want to be there in the first place.

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by FriscoJoe on Aug 29, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Another big worry

How this affects our young plays (monta/ar and buike/morrow).

by mosdl on Aug 29, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ask Jackson to stay home with pay.

Our youth movement will see an unhappy Jackson sitting it out, away from the team, waiting for a trade that helps the franchise.

They’ll get more playing minutes.

by Noe_Valley on Aug 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only we were so lucky

Jack’s out of his mind if he thinks ANY other team out there wants him, let alone a contender.

by walk off bunt on Aug 29, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are we worrying?

We’ve got DEVEAN GEORGE at SF. We’ll be just dandy!

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by dubshoops on Aug 29, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, this is where our front office shows it actually has some stones. This will mean keeping Mag’s but if some of our expirings’ and Jax lands us like value I will be happy and we will be a better team because of it. We wont be getting no Bosh and AK is still not out of the realm of possibilities.
But if we can get a quality point or a two to replace him even if its a prospect (hey were young and not pushing for a championship this year anyway). Then this just may work out for us.

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by qin on Aug 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Epic

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by ejdacanay on Aug 29, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mqg83x

If the front office pulls of some thievery like this, flying pigs will have taken over Hell with the aid of Mr. Freeze… and RR and Co. will have some legit street cred.

Won’t ever happen, too much compulsive masturbation going on around the league.

by Elevation Sensation on Aug 29, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, Even the We Believe Guy left!

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by Tony.psd on Aug 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade him IF & Only IF it makes sense for GSW

Weak teams let players dictate the terms.

Warriors can asked an unhappy Jackson to stay home.

Bulls sent Tim Thomas home Twice, Larry Hughes once. They keep the unhappy player away from the team and trade him if a trade is good for the franchise or can buy him out for less when the guy sees he’s stuck in LIMBO.

Harrington should have been asked to stay home.

by Noe_Valley on Aug 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

D. George

We can trade this guy after Sept 30 so I wouldn’t be surprised if we packaged a deal of George, Law, Claxton, Jackson once training camp begins.

by HopHurdles on Aug 29, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade for what?

Trades are for improving the the franchise, not the player’s wishes.

So what do we get and from whom since every GM knows 1) Jackson wants out so GSW have little leverage and 2) Jackson is a selfish player who couldn’t even stick it out with the one coach that got him to turn around, Nelson.

Jackson knowingly signed with the GSW and then wants out.

Oh the line to trade for him forms to the right.

by Noe_Valley on Aug 30, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Jackson wants to be traded, GSW will trade him

Mr. Cohen is so cheap that he won’t mind getting non factors in return of Jackson. Unfortunately, the same way he traded JC for Law and Claxton, I think he will trade Jackson for Mark Blount to save money next year and team sucks this year but their PR will hype that Curry and Ellis will lead the team. Nelson would quit on this team from the preseason and we will end up with worst record in the NBA. I think it all starts with management, if you willing to compete than u gotta have a plan, Jackson wants to quit cause he knows the Owner is cheap and won’t invest in this team. Let me ask you guys something, which one of you would still work for a company knowing that there is a chance that it might be sold and a management that are cutting salaries, wouldn’t you think that you might be the next to get laid off? I don’t blame Jackson, it is the Warriors management and if Jackson gets traded for a piece of junk, no FA would ever wanna come and play here, mark my words.
Here is the trade which will work after the season starts, I am afraid that will be the only team willing to take a risk and in need of SG or SF like Jackson.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

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by puffylove on Aug 29, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

“Mr. Cohen is so cheap that he won’t mind getting non factors in return of Jackson”

I hate Cohen as well, but I don’t see any validity in your argument. If Cohen was so cheap, why did we extend Jack in the first place? We chose to pay him.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't owe nothing

1. Jax owes us nothing
2. We owe him nothing

Jax gave us what he could, with and without all his “friends” – he competed, and it showed when he had to be the #1 option that he wasn’t a #1 player. We the fans gave him respect, admiration, even love. But he doesn’t owe anything more than what he’s given us. Of course he pines for the days when he was competing for a ring with SA, who wouldn’t in his situation?

GSW was the platform for him to redefine himself in the eyes of the league, he succeeded. We had to take him to get Harrington for Dunleavy/Murphy and we ended up getting the better part of that deal. Prior to the extension, it was a better deal because we would have cleared cap space sooner than prior to the trade. If he leaves now, that becomes the case again.

The irony in the situation is that the same contract extension he snaked out of the FO is what could make him much less likely to get the trade he wishes for to a Texas team. But that doesn’t mean he can’t be moved at all. The Crawford trade showed us we can give away players other clubs want to pay for if we don’t want anything in return. And, in the days of caponomics, nothing can be better than something sometimes.

by hardcore on Aug 29, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

If by nothing in return, you mean contract dumpage, then I hope we get nothing in return.

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by LostHawkGSW on Aug 29, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with the irony

especially when I looked up and found out that he HIMSELF (not his agent, which I see now that he had fired) was the one who pulled the extension out of the front office.

by IQofaWarrior on Aug 29, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

should be “that he had been fired”

by IQofaWarrior on Aug 29, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This would be terrible

Last time a disgruntled player wanted to be traded, we trade him to NY. Jack also wants to go to NY and play in a system similar to GSW that revived his career. Guess what? I think maybe the GSW will trade Jack and Claxton for Larry Hughes. If that happens? what you guys think of this lineup.

Ellis
Hughes
Maggette
AR
Biedrins

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Aug 29, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry Hughes?

Really?

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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 29, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This blows my mind

that he is either being ridiculously selfish or the ship is going under. I mean, why lobby for a long-term deal and then turn around and stab the Ws in the back. No one else in the world would have paid him that money, so I doubt he goes anywhere unless it is a buyout. The gall of this guy to take the money, no lobby for the money, and then try to run is ridiculous. Who does he think he is?

by belli nellie on Aug 29, 2009 9:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I seriously think S Jackson knows that this team won’t compete this year, and maybe he senses that GSW are trying to dump Ellis and Biedrins for salary flexibility. He says quote “It’s not about a decision I made,” and “It’s just things are in the air right now. I really can’t get too much into it right now.” I sense something bothered him to the extent that he requested to get traded. I am telling you Cohen will sell this team and he is trying to save money cause he is in huge debt.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who does he think he is?

  He’s the captain, we are no one
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Where talk is cheap and vision true
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since when is admitting you want to win stabbing an organization in the back? Jack had some pretty high praises for his time in the Bay Area, and was pretty upfront about the fact that he realizes he’s getting old and just wants to win a championship.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WISH LIST

- Jack destroys the locker room by acting like a total malcontent all throughout his stay here in the bay area

- Locker room is a total disaster, Riley couldnt find a taker for Jack, buys him out

- Cohan FINALLY realizes how much of an effin idiot Rowell is and fires him.

- Then Cohan realizes the money he’s lost on this team and sells the Ws to Ellison.

FINALLY THE SILVER LINING HAS SHINED AT THE WARRIORS………

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by VonteegoCummings on Aug 30, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW....

dunno what the big fuzz is all about. Its not like were going to win more than 25 games anyway with or without Jackson……sheesh.

my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"

by VonteegoCummings on Aug 30, 2009 12:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because we didn’t win more than 25 games last year or anything, despite our best player being hurt all year and a number of other injuries…

by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stank Jack

I agree with the idea of letting Jackson ride the season at home until he gets traded. That’s assuming the Ws don’t trade him before camp.

If he’s stupid enough to say this stuff in public, he’s stupid enough to poison the air in the locker room as well.

By the way – all the pessimism about this season – sheesh. I think with Ellis/Maggette, Randolph/Biedrins and whoever else plays around them, this team wins 40. Morrow is a wild card.

Btw…any possibility that Nellie, the mad genius, had the same talk with Jack that he had with Crawford? I think Nellie thinks Morrow is going to be a 20ppg guy and needs to find minutes for him. Plus Morrow rebounds.

by joegiant on Aug 30, 2009 2:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well then sir

how about a little friendly wager? 20 bucks? Warriors win less than 40 games you send a 20 my way, more than 40 you win? How about that?

my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"

by VonteegoCummings on Aug 30, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't bet, but...

i don’t bet on sports, but you can have bragging rights and call me out on the board if i’m wrong.

This team WON when Monta came back (and SJACK sat out a lot of those game with his toe injury). In fact the team played really well with Monta in the lineup (not even at 100% yet), Jack on the shelf, and Maggs coming off the bench. I’m referring to a long stretch in the middle of the season when Monta returned, not the last month when they were tanking for draft position.

I think potentially losing CJ would have had more impact than the impending loss of Jackson. Just like Baron could do when he was running bad, 1/2 the time Jack would shoot the W’s out of game or turnover so often that’d take us out of the game. Those negatives were only offset by that once every 4 game phenomenon when he’d hit 5 3’s in a row.

I really like SJack in the We Believe year. Maybe just what the doctor ordered that year. He brought intensity and a defensive mindset.

But the last season – he was sloppy, erratic, and a bad example for the younger players.

i think the W’s could lose SJACK for expiring contracts and the W/L for the team this upcoming season won’t be any different. I just happen to think the players they DO have will win 40+ this year.

by joegiant on Aug 30, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cant blame your optimism

as a fan (i used to be like that, year after year of frustration will get you to where I am believe me). And that 40 wins your saying is still true regardless on how everybody else in the west has improved right?

so tell me this, how can a team who won 20 something games not add anybody else of significance to their lineup add another 20 wins in the upcoming season?

look at everyone else in the west then tell me again if you truly believe this team as presently constructed can win 40 plus games.

my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"

by VonteegoCummings on Aug 30, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, you could try not distorting the facts that much. We won 29 games last year. Calling an 11 win change a 20 win change is just wrong. Second, we did add someone significant to the lineup. His name is Monta Ellis, if you’ll recall he basically didn’t play last season. We also added Curry, and our younger players are one year older (and one year better).

by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

so tell me this, how can a team who won 20 something games not add anybody else of significance to their lineup add another 20 wins in the upcoming season?

They won 29 games last season — but very cute with the round-down to “20 something.” As the.monk might say, it helps to clarify the manner and quality of thinking behind your analysis.

As for “not add[ing] anybody else of significance”: they’ve added Stephen Curry, one of the two or three most accomplished and polished college players in the draft. They’ll also add a full season from Monta (and, barring more rotten luck, can expect fewer missed games overall). As one of the youngest teams in the league, they can also expect significant improvement from a bunch of guys (Randolph and Morrow in particular), and regressions from almost nobody.

11 more wins than last season gets them to 40. Obviously there are no guarantees, but that’s hardly an unreasonable guesstimate. Homerish? Meh, not really. Berri and the WoW crew, who have no horse in the race, recently said the roster as it stands is capable of improving by 20 games.

I mostly dig your “we’re doooomed” schtick, ‘Teego, but it’s kind of unbecoming when you confuse it with actual, reasonable analysis.

Fake edit: what Barry said.

"I’M TAKING YOU TO THE HOLE, WONDERLIC!" [turns ball over] -- markdash

Get off my lawn, hipsters! -- Missing Barry

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 30, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sleepy

honestly i ddnt even know we won 29 games. i kinda stopped counting after 10 or so as the wins came few and far between. frustration does that to you.

i love curry, i dont know if u remember but i was one of the first ones to advocate (through a fan post) drafting curry years ago but until i see him play a minute of basketball i will reserve judgement.

you guys still buy the “internal development” crap made famous around these parts by Garry St. Jean?

Assuming all of what you guys said is true (improving etc.) none has answered the question I posted above, are we significantly better than our neighbors as we stand right now? are we truly 11 games (specifics…specifics) better?

BTW Sleepy…..where is my WELCOME BACK greeting? you of all people…. :)

my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"

by VonteegoCummings on Aug 31, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not everyone in the West has improved. I think Houston has taken some steps in the wrong direction for sure. And a lot of teams are getting older. Obviously a team like the Spurs will be in the conversation but with the increased age of their key players, it gets more likely that an injury would be for a longer period of time.

But sure, some have improved as well, I will admit. It’s just that it’s not like the Warriors lost anyone huge from last year either. Jamal Crawford is gone, but call me crazy, I’d rather have Monta Ellis.

by belilaugh on Sep 1, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess Jax doesn’t want to play for “the only coach that really understands me” any longer. Remember that quote? Loyalty, especially to the fanbase, has long, long been gone from professional sports. I just hope we can find a taker for that asinine contract!

by Jeffo on Aug 30, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Literally
Baron Davis, doesn’t get a contract extension after literally putting this franchise back on the map.

Sorry, pet peeve. Baron Davis didn’t literally put us back on the map. You mean figuratively. The two are not interchangeable.

But Brandan Wright is literally a disgruntled purple polar bear from Ohio. (By my definition, not a bust as of yet)

My icon is a testament to the Dubs ability to play defense.

by JR Repertoire on Aug 30, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

lakers will take him

we’ll give up luke and farmar for him. he’ll do much better with us than u gay area losers.

by wavenstein on Aug 30, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

remember how

Kobe wanted to be traded. Where is he now? The Lakers. Just because a player wants to be traded doesn’t mean he will be.

by HopHurdles on Aug 30, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jackson IS NOT Kobe fyi.

I would do anything to keep Kobe (if he was with the warriors). Jackson? not so much.

The probability that you just read my signature: 1

by girltothemax on Aug 31, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, but I think the point is demanding a trade doesn’t mean it will happen. We aren’t simply going to trade Jack just because he wants us to – we have to find someone that wants him enough to give us something we value enough to trade him. There’s a very good possibility nobody wants Jack and his contract that much.

by Missing Barry on Sep 1, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What superstar wants to play here?

JR gone, baron gone, harrington gone, petius gone , Crawford gone, mully gone, Marco gone should i say anymore?

until coehn sells to ellison,,we are screwed. At least get rid of that ego maniac Rowland

The bay area has the best fans in basketball we deserve better than this.

by Borntowinn on Aug 30, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

dannyschmanny is right about the superstar point

also
JR was traded, he didn’t ask to leave
Baron’s offer was reported to have been rescinded by Rowell, then he left; he would have likely stayed (and he’s the only one in the bunch even remotely close to a superstar)
True, Harrington was traded after asking for a trade – very quietly for well over 6 months to a year earlier
MP is gone, and IIRC he left as a FA so he did leave of his own accord
Crawford & Marco- both traded, but to situations where they will both play more than here making the same $ …

by hardcore on Sep 1, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the deal

Steven Jackson wants to be traded cause he is not happy with the direction of GSW. Nellie is trying to move Ellis read it here. There we go guys, Ellis and Jackson gone for trade relief. I also think they would move Biedrins, the team is going to be sold. Cohen is trying to minimize the salaries he is paying just like Memphis. Read about it here.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1974

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Aug 30, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all about the shoes

Jackson is doing and saying this for publicity and promoting his and harrington shoe company. It’s all about the money

by Borntowinn on Aug 30, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Jackson to NY

We could sign and trade for Lee, give them expiring contracts of Law, Claxton and George along with Jackson for Lee and Curry. I know Curry is not the right fit but who cares, we might buy him out and next year we will save $10 m in cap space. I would take Milicic but i know NY wants to trade Curry rather than Milicic.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Aug 30, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't Jack Know?

The Captain is supposed to go down WITH the ship!!


"If they Hurry here, they can get two for one!"

by LeSJepSen on Aug 30, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If this team trades ellis for garbage

i will no longer be a fan of this horrible franchise. i guess jackson can go but Ellis should be apart of our long term future.

Why dont we trade Randolph for some keystone light ?

stupid warriors

by CSalMJS on Aug 31, 2009 1:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont Trade Him

Im Sick of all these teams (hoop, football, etc.) giving into the demands of cranky players (cutler, brandon marshall, crabbytree, etc.) . Let them bitch and whine to the media, and by the time the season rolls around, make em play. If they don’t, don’t pay em. Don’t just trade players cause they ask or have a case of dirty diapers (aka poo buts).
Jack is a hater if he is trying to leave, but as everyone says, who will take on that contract. If we get a good offer (unlikely), then make a trade, if not, let him whine, and when the season rolls around and warriors are fun again, he’ll pep right back up.
DONT TRADE ELLIS either. I know some of you haters are hoping for this. Why? Trade our best player so “we can have more financial flexibility”. Forget that-I want our team to be in the luxury tax. Show committment to paying money, and players will want to come. Look at the Knicks. They are horrible (worse the dubs), have very few good players, yet everybody mentions them as a place they want to go.
I wish we had Mark Cuban. He opitimizes what an owner should be. Comitted to winning, willing to spend whatever it costs to make his team good, an actual fan of basketball, while Cohan just messes around trading good young players for terrible, terrible, hated by every fan in the leauge-no use to any team in the NBA-was washed up 10 years ago- Devan George.

by Sol Dog on Aug 31, 2009 4:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This should become my tm now.

WE SHOULD’VE KEPT BELINELLI!!!

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Aug 31, 2009 4:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Rowland

trade him to dallas for Donnie jr. whoopee

by Borntowinn on Aug 31, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ellis and jackson going nowhere

whoever started this rumor is probably our competition worried sick at all the talent we have. I’m telling you right here and now if the warriors stay healthy and stay together they will make the playoffs that’s right the playoffs. They are 2 deep at every position the second team almost as strong as 1st team they should run everybody off the court nonstop run and gun. if nellie doesn’t fall asleep on the bench and play his starters 46 minutes a game,

by Borntowinn on Aug 31, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure, maybe an 8th seed playoff team, and that’s only considering the Rockets got screwed….

by Badly Browned on Aug 31, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depth is overrated.

by Missing Barry on Sep 1, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the second team almost as strong as 1st team

Is the profile of a loser

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 31, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Another generic trade idea!

Jackson and Law for Howard then Maggette and Wright for Haslem and Wright.

Contracts work and works great for all these teams. Any questions?

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"

by dubzfan on Aug 31, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

TRADE THE WHOLE DAMN TEAM!!!

Just do it. Incept keep monta,AB, and Randolph. and maybe curry or morrow. But other than that start over and build around these 4!!!!

by goaldenstateboy on Sep 1, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can look at it from his perspective, but that is his perspective. 99% of the time, when someone does something, it is justified in their mind.

The fact is that while he can feel good that he screwed over the owners that screwed over his friends (not sure if he does think this, this was more you talking then him), he screwed over the fans as well. As fans, we have been good to him, and we don’t deserve to see our franchise get thrown off track like this. Him signing that giant contract was screwing the team, but that’s just him trying to play the same game everyone else is. He hurt our financial flexibility, but I don’t think anyone can knock him for that, just the organization. However, by talking to the public he is now making himself even less of a trading chip then he already was, and as fans we have to suffer for that. He could have talked to Riley/Nelson behind the scenes, but he chose to attempt and force our hand and while Rowell/Cohan get screwed, so do we. So I can look at it from his perspective but it was still a selfish move that was equivalent to him turning his back on the fans that supported him IMO.

But probably the more important point I realized is that this means nothing. His motivation is to win a championship. This means that he is going to play hard if the team is doing well, and if we are sucking, he will probably not care, but then maybe it would give Nelson reason to bench him finally. He’s not going to not play hard out there, so if we just don’t trade him, there’s not much he can do. It’s not like he is an expiring contract, if he tanks then he’ll be tanking for 4 more years, and after that if he wants to win a championship he is going to have to do so as an old, diminished role player. So have fun with that Jackson.

by belilaugh on Sep 1, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade

Let’s trade the Warrior’s 2 Texans, Jackson and Law to Dallas for Jason Terry! Terry is an outstanding point guard that would start on just about any team except Dallas.

by Jim T. on Sep 14, 2009 7:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade #2

A three way trade with Utah and Phoenix, could land the Warriors Amare Stoudemire and 2 back up 7 footers. Phoenix would get Carlos Boozer from Utah and Ronny Turiaf from Golden State. Utah would get Corey Maggette and Speedy Claxton from Golden State. Golden State would get Amare Stoudemire from Phoenix and Utah’s 2 reserve centers, Kosta Koufos and Kyrylo Fesenko. Everyone wins! We get the bigs we need and the cash works out about even.

by Jim T. on Sep 14, 2009 7:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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