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Jack trades, based on his requests. Then mine...

Cap'n Jack wants out, so I thought of ways we could let him go while getting decent value back. Since he had some specific requests, I'll address those first, then move onto some other trades I find worthwhile. There are some trades that involve dumping Maggette as well. There are still a lot of trade restrictions that don't go away until Dec 15, so this is a post that assumes Jack will get traded before the season starts. All suggested trades are trade machine approved.

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Cleveland/New York:  I looked up and down these rosters, outside of LeBron, there's absolutely nothing I would want from either team. I wasn't looking to make a salary dump with no value in return so I decided to forgo making any trades with these teams. This doesn't mean that the front office won't make a salary dump to appease Jack, although I don't know why they would.

Texas

Dallas: Jack+Acie+BWright for Josh Howard

I think this is an awesome trade for us, and for Dallas. We lose front court depth, which sucks. But we get a player who is just as good, if not better than Jack. On top of getting Josh Howard, we also get his contract, which expires at the end of the year.

Losing the front court depth BWright adds makes me apprehensive, but not as much as replacing a leader on and off the court like Jack with Josh Howard. His behavior and motivation have been in question several times in his career, with our young team I'm not sure that's a very good idea.

Dallas just aquired Marion's bad contract, and they still have Dampier's contract for 2 years, so I'm not so sure they want to take on another long term contract for an expiring. However if they want to win this year or the next Jack is the better post season performer. Plus they probably wouldn't have the money to keep Josh Howard after this year, so this ensures they get something back for him. Throw in BWright as an added bonus, Dallas may very well go for this.

Houston: Jack for Battier + Joey Dorsey 

Being from Port. Arthur, Jack would love to go to Houston. We get front court depth in Dorsey, we get help on D and with rebounding in Battier. I honestly don't really like this trade. Battier has 2 years left at around 7 mil a year. Dorsey has 3 left, but he is on a cheap rookie contract. If we made this trade, I would see Maggette starting and Battier being a 6th man, Nellie wants the starting lineup to score. This is the best trade that works for us that I could also see Houston going for, this trade isn't that good. I don't see Jack going to Houston.

San Antonio:  I have two proposals for San Antonio, they focus on the same player, one just involves dumping Corey

Jack+Speedy+ either Acie or George (can't be traded 'til Sept 30) for Richard Jefferson

This trade allows us to trade Jack for another veteran SF who has great offense and solid defense. San Antonio loves Jack, Timmy loves him, Pop loves him, the fans love him. They would probably go for this trade. RJ has two years left on his contract at ~15 mil a year. I'm not sure how I feel about this trade, I wouldn't be disappointed in the least, at the same time I wouldn't be ecstatic about it.

Jack+Corey for RJ+either Finley or Mason Jr.

San Antonio wanted Corey before we signed him, that's not the contract they wanted for him, but getting Jack, who is virtually as good if not better than RJ, for half the money makes this deal. As the dubs we obviously ask for Roger Mason Jr, San Antonio obviously suggests that we take Finley. Both are solid vets on the last year of their deals. Mason Jr is better, Finley is a seasoned vet and a good teammate, good for the locker room. I've only suggested these two trades because Jack wants to be traded. Although I don't think this trade makes us any worse than we are now.

Other Trades

Atlanta: Jack+Corey for Joe Johnson+ Mo Evans (I know, pretty unrealistic)

This is obviously wishful thinking. Both Johnson and Evans are entering the last year of their contracts, and they should have enough money to sign both next season. Obviously we do this because we get two vets, Johnson is a beast, and they are both expiring deals, which would mean we would have over 20 mil in expiring contracts heading into next season. Atlanta probably wouldn't do this trade, I promise this is the most unrealistic trade I propose.

Boston: Jack+Corey for Ray Allen

I really have no idea whether Boston would go for this. Jack isn't that much worse than Ray, plus they also wanted Corey for a 6th man role before we signed him. They aren't worried about having cap relief in the next few years, they are already built to contend for the championship for the next few years. This just adds to their bench scoring and their D. Ray Allen is Ray Allen, but even better he is Ray Allen on the last year of his contract, which would mean we would have over 20 mil in cap space heading into next season. A Monta and Ray Ray backcourt would be Nellie's dream. I love this trade. It also gives more PT to Buike, Steph, and Morrow.

Chicago: Jack for John Salmons

Salmons' contract is expiring so we would obviously do this, it's also 500,000 or so less than Jack's. Chicago probably wouldn't do this, they obviously are looking for cap relief to sign D-Rose long term, this move would definitely be counterproductive.

Orlando: I also have a couple different trade proposals for this one

Jack for MP2, JJ Reddick, and Ryan Anderson 

I know there are a lot of Pietrus haters who would definitely be opposed to this trade. However, he is on a 2 year deal at 5 mil for this season, it may go up or down, I don't know. JJ and Ryan Anderson are on 1 year deals, so more cap relief.

I don't know why I am even putting this next trade up I'm not sure I like it, nor do I think Orlando would go for this

Jack+Corey+BWright For Rashard Lewis+ JJ Reddick

Yuk!!!! I love Lewis as a player, but his contract is wack , and would be counterproductive to clearing cap space. However, having AR and Rashard playing the 4 and the 3 for the next four years would make for an interesting take on Nellie Ball. If we wait until Dec 15 we could have Barnes instead of Reddick.  This move would force Orlando to play BWright, Bass, or Gortat as their PF. However the additions of Jack, Vince, and Corey, as their 6th man, would mean that Lewis' offense would not be missed. I wouldn't be pissed if this trade went down, I'm just not sure it makes us better.

Phoenix: I would first just like to say that I have never proposed reaquiring J-Rich, and have never supported a deal that would do so.... until now.

Jack+Corey for J-Rich and 2 players out of Tucker, Dudley, and Lopez, or we can wait and have Pavlovic at the end of Sept.

We dump Corey and Jack's contracts for J-Rich, and expirings, or one expiring in Pavlovic's case. Phoenix would probably do this. This is decent for us, we all get to wear our J-Rich jersey's to the response of smiles not sad faces.

Jack+BWright+Acie for J-Rich

J-Rich returns, but we lose frontcourt depth

Jack+Speedy for J-Rich

This is the best trade for both teams. We don't give up anything besides Jack and 5 mil in cap relief. Phoenix recieves 5 mil in cap relief towards keeping Amar'e. I would be down for this trade. Monta J-Rich Azu AR AB with Steph Ammo Corey BW Ronny off the bench. That's a good trade for us.

Utah: Jack+Speedy+BWright for AK47

This is the same trade that has been thrown around, except we take out Maggette and add Jack. Sure we have to take on AK's bad contract for 2 years, but I think this trade is lateral at worst, and could actually be a positive. We would start Monta either Buike or Morrow with AK47 AR and AB. Corey comes in for any player between the 2, 3 , and 4 because AK can play the 4. I don't really see us losing anything on offense, Kirilenko in Nellie's system would do wonders for his offensive output. We would see a vast improvement in D and rebounding though.  I don't see why Utah wouldn't make this trade, not only do they get Jack, they also get 5 mil in cap relief next year, and they get BWright. This is a good trade.

Washington: Jack+Azubuike for Caron Butler+Nick Young

I'm not sure Washington goes for this. Losing Buike sucks, I didn't realize he is in the last year of his contract, that's what the trade machine says anyway. We get Butler for 2 years, Young is in the last year of his contract. I would be down for this trade, but the Wiz would probably pass.

 

So these are just some ideas that I came up with after getting pissed about Jack's demands. I'm not putting up a damned poll because they are now overused, I'm more interested in feedback through comments

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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why are you using bwright..

as almost just another throw-in in your trades.. he’s got potential. i say if we move jack they gotta take corey too.. salary dump please.

by dez4o8 on Aug 29, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I only used him in one trade I'm down for

that’s to aquire AK47. I don’t like including him in the Phoenix deal, and the second magic trade is kind of a joke. I would prefer not to trade him, unless we get quality frontcourt depth in return, like the AK47 trade.

by myk on Aug 29, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s hardly a “throw in” in those trades. try an “absolute necessity to get anyone to listen to a deal involving jack’s bloated deal”. you have to give something to get something.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 29, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we trade Jackson

I’d rather just ship out all the vets and go full rebuild mode with our yougins. Send Jackson out for expirings and picks same with Maggette although i doubt we get more then some 2nd rounders and expirings. Give the keys to the car to monta,randolph,morrow and let them run these old teams into the ground. Forget trying to find someone to make us a win or two better. For Jack were only going to get someone less talented while we scratch and claw for a 30 win season. Time has come to get real young and less expierenced let the potential movement begin.

by Warriorfan on Aug 29, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ronnie brewer and andrei kirilenko

please tell me these two guys are the answers to our problem!! a solid, strong sg and a versatile, veteran sf. with the trade of brewer and kirilenko for jack, maggete, and law we would be getting rid of our 2 bad contracts and also ronnie brewers contract ends this season. if he doesnt work out we can always let him go. think of a line up of

Monta
Ronnie
AK47
AR
Andris

with a bench of

Curry
Morrow
Azuibuike
Wright
Turiaf

please give me a good reason why we shouldnt do this!!

by ceejayybreh on Aug 29, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There are 10 fanposts that get featured on the front page. 9 of them are about Captain Jack (maybe all 10, depending on if the current top one is actually about Jack or not, I’m not sure). There’s also a front page article about Captain Jack. Please start posting your thoughts in these other areas people. We do not need 10 fanshots about the same subject. I’m also not one to complain about issues like these – it’s just gotten that ridiculous.

by Missing Barry on Aug 29, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

also 2 of the rec’d posts

Thing A

by sam23 on Aug 30, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My huge Trade..

Golden State, Portland, Houston, and Dallas deal.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5233470
Portland
In: Jason Terry
Out: Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw
Why:Clears logjam at sf, better backup pg
Golden State
In:Steve Blake, Josh Howard, McGrady
Out: Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Andris Biedrins, Anthony Morrow,Kelenna Azubuike
why: Recieve 40 million in expiring contracts, clears lots of minutes for Brandon Wright, Anthony Randolph, and Stephen Curry while ditching a couple terrible contracts
Dallas
In:Anthony Morrow, Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins
Out: Jason Terry, Erick Dampier, Josh Howard
Why: Better big man, younger better pg, and helps the starting unit immensely
Houston
In: Travis Outlaw, Stephen Jackson, Erick Dampier,Kelenna Azubuike
Out: Tracy McGrady
Why: Become A waaaaaay better team and increase their depth by just giving up tmacs contract, and definetly become a playoff team again with a unit of Brooks/Jackson/Ariza/scola/Dampier and Outlaw, Azubuike, Battier, Landry, and Lowry off the bench.
I feel Every team would get exactly what they need and all teams would improve on last seasons record and the warriors would only have Stephen Curry, Corey Maggette, and ronny Turiaf on the books at the end of the season, leaving a hell of a lot of money to lure in free agents.

by philthebballplayer on Aug 30, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it’s rare that someone suggests a trade that fleeces the warriors around here. thank you for creating a little balance.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 30, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea even I’m not down with dumping Jackson for nothing but a ton of cap space if it means having to give up Morrow, Buike, Biedrins, and Ellis who are all young and signed for very reasonable amounts of money.

Thing A

by sam23 on Aug 30, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if we got Kidd and Howard for Ellis and Jack?

I think that would be great, if our FO can figure that out.

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by dubzfan on Aug 30, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can’t see the Mavs considering that. If they are gonna make a championship run then taking a shot at Jackson makes some sense but removing Kidd’s steady PG play and replacing it Ellis doesn’t really.

Thing A

by sam23 on Aug 30, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROTTEN TRADE 4 WARRIORS !!!

GREAT FOR THE OTHER TEAMS!

Dr. Jeff

by JEFFSJAZZ on Aug 30, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston and Dubs trade

My friend was talking to me at school and he proposed a trade that piqued my interest. He said that if the warriors had the chance, they should trade B. Wright, Stephen Jackson, and Corey Maggette for T-Mac. I was appalled by his decision at first, but he than made me realize that there was still a possibility that T-Mac might get good this season. If he doesnt, he still has his 23mill contract that expires in a year. That gives us around 30million to spend on the 2010 free agent frenzy. o_o" if this trade doesnt work or make sense, i apologize because i dont really understand the Nba trade system. However, i tried it on the trade machine and it works. In addition, we might be really bad this year but this way, our young players will develope, we might get John Wall if we suck enough, and we get tons of money for Free Agency. Though….this plan banks on the assumption that Houston wants to make playoffs this year, which isn’t a guaranteed w/ maggs stack jax and bwright.

by waterbottle415 on Aug 31, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem is Houston is too smart for something like this. They’re a well run franchise that seems to be as advanced as any NBA franchise in terms of understanding player values. If nothing else, think about it this way. If we don’t like Jack or Maggette’s contracts and want to get rid of them for an expiring, why would anyone else want to get rid of an expiring for them? If this FA opportunity is so great, why would teams pass up their chance to spend so they can take on Jack and Maggs?

by Missing Barry on Aug 31, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because some teams want to win now, and have the opportunity to do so. If we wanted T-Mac, we’d probably have to give up Andris or Turiaf though.

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by LostHawkGSW on Aug 31, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

myk,
the first half of your trade proposals are WAY off. the following players i don’t see being reasonably traded by their respective teams this offseason: Howard, Battier, Jefferson, J. Johnson, or Rashard Lewis. And it’s not reasonable to think you can acquire Ray Allen for JAx and Maggette’s terrible contract. for that matter, it’s not reasonable to think you can trade Maggette AT ALL. no GM will trade for such a terrible player/contract outside of memphis.

but your proposals with phoenix and utah are better. the Kirilenko for Jackson, Claxton & Wright is a good trade for both teams (saves utah money with the expiring contracts, gives GSW a multi-use forward well fit for the fast paced offense). that’s the best (and most reasonable) trade i’ve looked at so far. some others:

Jackson + Claxton (e) for delonte west + daniel gibson
**this trade is not flashy by any means. west and gibson are both young, i really like west’s all around game and he’s a good distributor on the run. cleveland would be happy to unload gibson’s contract and upgrade west’s playoff struggles to Jax’ experience…a move cleveland would make to win now and prove to lebron they’re trying.

Jackson + Wright (e) + Claxton (e) for Richardson + Dragic
**Might have to include a pick here to get Dragic away from phoenix. saves money for phoenix which is priority for them right now. the warriors motivation in this trade would be getting talent in return for an unhappy Jax.

the money saving deal i could see happening:

Jackson for Scalabrine (e), Tony Allen (e), Giddeons (e)
**This trade relies heavily on boston’s faith in Garnett’s health. but if they are healthy at C in boston, they could conceivably deal scalabrine. if the priority is dumping Jax and improving the Cap situation for the W’s…this would do it. and boston would add another veteran to win now ( i like this trade a lot for boston as their window is closing fast, and Jax could bomb wide open three’s as Ray and Pierce are doubled)

by Brickowski BOOM on Aug 31, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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