A post about Keith Smart turned into GSOM political forum by Naticus!
Hello all,
I started writing a blog on wordpress about 3 months ago.
Basketball Tales: Warriors and Beyond
I stopped writing after only one post but I just want to hear what you all think of the post and if i should do more.
A Little Introduction!
Hello, My name is Kyle and I love the game of basketball. Basketball is a great sport when played to it’s maximum potential. In my opinion, Coaches such as Mike D’Antoni and Don Nelson push basketball to its full potential. For example, do you really think walking the ball up the court and taking 20-23 seconds off the shot clock to finally find a "perfect" shot. I tend to disagree due to the fact that this actually causes players to realize the clock is winding down, then in panic-mode, take a rushed shot with no intention to go in. D’Antoni pushes the game to it’s limits by forcing upon his players to take : A, the first shot they see, B. A shot within 7 seconds of the rebound, or C. spread the floor with shooters and set up the pick and roll.
Don Nelson pushes the game to a new limit with his style of basketball. He plays ridiculously small, yet quick and skilled lineups that force the other team to adjust to his style of play or take the risk that it will not succeed against its more conventional lineups. His lineups are rather positionless for the most part.
This is the type of basketball i enjoy to watch and play. The stereotype is that ‘Defense Wins Championships’ is correct but only in the sense that teams who have won in the past 20 years have been defensive-oriented or adequate defensive teams. When i look back rather, it seems like more teams go with the defensive standpoint allowing more defensive teams compete for a championship. So if only 2 teams play Run and Gun and they come close to a championship, that is better than 28 teams trying to win with defense and only one coming out on top. Basketball is a game that is heavily influenced on the teams coaching styles for the better or worse. You Decide.
What is up with this large stereotype about only defense wins championships. PPG is not the best way to determine a teams offense or defense. It is really located in the teams efficiency. If the Warriors play at the fastest pace in the league and only give up 106 points per game, that actually might be good defense.
I was looking up what made the Sun's so good in the past 6 years and it was in large part: defense. They ranked very highly in defensive efficiency.
If the Warriors could ever rank just average or slightly below average, i think this team could be very special. I don't know how reasonable this could be under a 70 year old Don Nelson. Under Keith Smart however, i think this team could become so much better. Do you all remember that great game at the end of the season against Utah?
Keith did such a good job preparing our guys for that game and giving them a balanced gameplan that he got everyone to buy into. I would thoroughly enjoy letting Smart do this 10-15 times next year. I think we should at least give this a try.
Also, a funny video.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Keith Smart would be a very good choice
Trains , planes, and automoblies,.... better have my donuts!!!!
by dubzero23 on Aug 6, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The only thing that concerns me about Smart is his 9-31 run as head coach of the Cavs. Other than Miller and Z there wasn’t a whole lot of talent on that team, but 9-31 is still pretty awful.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 6, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
9-31 with that roster isn’t too bad.
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by montadaboss on Aug 6, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its pretty terrible with just about any roster and Andre Miller was really really good then
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 6, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
Andre Miller still isn’t and never really was “really, really good.” He’s just good. Decent, even.
by Aemoc on Aug 7, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh....
around 16 points and well over 10 assists per 36 mins that year while playing good defense and rebounding his position very well…….. Sure wish we could find a “decent” PG like that.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam,
a team headlined by a coming of major injury Big Z and Andre Miller put with Ricky Davis to handle the scoring is not going to win more than 15-20 games. So in theory if he won 9 games in half a season, he did just about what that team should be doing.
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by montadaboss on Aug 7, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the roster was bad, but keep in mind that Miller, Big Z, and Ricky Davis were all a whole lot closer to their primes than they are now. I’m not saying Smart should’ve carried that team to a winning record but losing more than 3/4 of your games is terrible. Only Washington, Sacramento, and the Clippers pulled that off last year. I’m not saying this should condemn Smart to being a career assistant either, I’m just saying it concerns me a little. I’m also assuming Smart is a much better coach now than he was 7 years ago.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t the goal of 2002-2003 in Cleveland to lose as many games as possible? To that end Keith Smart was very successful, though slightly less successful than John Lucas. As a whole, 2002-2003 has to be considered a HUGE success in Cleveland. If only the Warriors could’ve landed Lebron…
by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still do have a big problem with the way the Warriors run their offense. Scoring in transition when you have the numbers advantage is a good thing. But dribbling the ball up to the arc, calling for a screen (or not), and chucking up a contested 3pointer is not good offense, whether it takes 7 seconds to do or 24 seconds.
Another negative to having such quick offensive possessions is that it takes the other teams’ defense off the hook. Instead of having to play hard nosed defense for 24 seconds every possession, they’re now let off easy. If we ourselves ran more traditional offensive sets and utilized the clock better, it would give our players more time to rest on offense so we could actually exert some effort on the defensive end.
I know Run-N-Gun is some exciting basketball to watch. But there is a reason why defense and offensive execution win championships time and time again. With the way we’re currently constructed (and coached), we can only beat the good teams when they’re too undisciplined and fall into our trap, which happens often in the regular season but rarely in the deep postseason. That’s exactly why Don Nelson doesn’t win in the postseason and has never won a championship.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Aug 6, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have changed my opinion on Don Nelson since then, but I think the way he runs an offense if better than 75% of this leagues coaches.
For example the offense doesn’t need to be fast paced but if it’s not, it should be efficient. For example, the Boston Celtics were playing basketball at a very slow pace yet they had the number one efficient offense in the league and it was very exciting.
Efficient Offense and Defense are exciting.
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by montadaboss on Aug 6, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Keith Smart because of the way he coaches these particular players.
During summer league, he talked to players and taught them. The players responded. The summer league team developed a chemistry in just two weeks. So did Ar, Ammo, and Curry. They seemed to have learned each other’s style. They encouraged each other.
Near the end of 08/09 season, when Nellie had given up, KS kept the team motivated and playing strong. They became the “Magnificent Seven”, remember?! During that span, they beat two teams that were headed for the playoffs, and needed to win (Hornets & Utah), and jacked up Sacramento.
These things happened under KS. But give Nellie his due. He gave KS a chance. I wonder if Nellie has enough confidence in himself to basically let KS take over the
"knitty-gritty" coaching.
By the way, the summer team played defense! I know … it was just SL, but to see any Dubs team play defense, is a joy.
by deja8 on Aug 6, 2009 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh thanks
The only reason i put that was because it was my first post.
However your last comment is right. I’ll try to improve in the future.
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by montadaboss on Aug 7, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all Naticus’s and antihero’s suggestions, mdb. More broadly, I would say this: at your age, you could probably stand to spend more time reading (ideally, stuff a notch or two above what you read on GSoM) and less time posting. You could also, I suspect, spend a bit more time just living life. Good writing is generally less about grammar and syntax and stuff than about having a distinctive style and a “voice” that people are interested in hearing. I’m sure you’ll develop that voice eventually; in the meantime, keep working to make yourself a cool and interesting and well-rounded person.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 7, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Good writing is generally less about grammar and syntax and stuff than about having a distinctive style and a "voice" that people are interested in hearing.
Exactly. I always read Skeptic’s posts even though I literally can’t remember the last time I agreed with any of his basketball takes.
He’s gotten off two gems in this post alone.
Also, I think there is a difference between having no control over your grammar because you don’t understand the rules and using “creative” grammar to give your posts personality . . . and readers can tell the difference.
To kind of hedge between what Nauticus and antihero are saying, I think it’s important to start with learning and understanding the somewhat arbitrary rules or grammar and spelling so that you have them at your disposal when you need them. The more tools you have to clearly express what you want to say, the more you power you have over how people interpret your message.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 7, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
should read: “rules or of grammar”
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 7, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Nellie and Smart play good cop-bad cop
They have complimentary styles and work the team very well. I don’t know that Smart will transition into being a head coach for a franchise still trying to find an identity. We all know the Warriors will still be struggling next year, even if we make it to the playoffs.
I think the second prolem here is that if you go get a really strong assitant coach to back Smart up, you run into a potential situation with players wondering who the coach really is or liking the assitant better at soem point.
Smart is in a dangerous position.
by warriorsvictim on Aug 7, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of my arguement above
Lets say Smart takes over and then grabs Del Harris as his assitant.
Doesnt that seem confusing? But doesnt Smart need backup as a rookie head coach in a franchise like this?
by warriorsvictim on Aug 7, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Conservative Best Sellers
If it is surprising that conservatives have best sellers it is because most of their books are full of crap. Who are best selling conservative authors? Ann Coulter? Bill O’Reilly? Even the supposed intellectuals like George Will and William Kristol are full of garbage. They are best sellers because conservative foundations take out large buys on the books and give them away for free. It started with Nixon buying out Ephron’s unscientific book on how the media is liberal. You are right that the media is failing, but it is not because they are liberal. It is because they are controlled by corporations that are quite happy poisoning our food and electoral process without scrutiny. They don’t even allow real liberals to talk on TV anymore. It is almost always some centrist corporate sellout.
by pericles31081 on Aug 12, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Random thought right here but
if you all want to continue this discussion you might want to rec it so it doesn’t just go away.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 12, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You can’t fool me. I know you just want a rec’d fanpost.
by Missing Barry on Aug 12, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. You may not remember the week when all 5 of the GSoM recommended fanposts were by him (at least I think it was him…) Which is to say, assuming he’s that same guy, his GSoM HOF portfolio is basically complete.
Thank you for clarifying the manner and quality of the thinking behind your analysis. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 12, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point i don't care because i changed the title of my page if you couldn't tell
and somehow i have 6 or 7 posts rec’d in the past. i just want to continue this thread before someone posts a trade for emeka okafor and chris paul by trading acie law..lol…if you get my drift or by tommorow it will just be gone? your choice. everyone knows this post isn’t getting tons of comments for my writing.
it got one rec with 45 comments before this political thread so it wasn’t really going anywhere. thats why i changed the title. if it got rec’s people would realize this is a political thread, am i right.
so will you rec it now or do you want this to disappear? i’m just curious.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 12, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone knows this post isn’t getting tons of comments for my writing.
Don’t sell yourself short, you’ve made some good points back there. Your grandpa would be proud of you.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 12, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If anything, we should all rec him as penance for crapping all over of his nice thread…
Thank you for clarifying the manner and quality of the thinking behind your analysis. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 12, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
do it then…like i said another Mike Fox type of post is most likely lurking and this will go away really quickly.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 13, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 13, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, just to be nice to montadaboss, I’m recking this beast of a thread, which I think should give it the 5-rec count required for promotion.
I still say 95% of the opinions that have been posted in here, by me and others, are standard issue partisan talking points that everyone has heard a zillion times (I’m thinking in particularly of the back-and-forth on abortion, gay marriage, and the war in Iraq). Basically, I see close to zero value in asserting crap like “human life begins at conception,” or “a fetus is like a parasite.” I really wish a much higher percentage of the content in here were dry statements of fact with links to reputable documents and sources. I also wish I could invoke that proposed rule whereby everyone who has posted their views in this thread over ten times (or so) should be henceforth mandated to argue the opposing viewpoint.
Here’s my first opposing viewpoint: I do not think people should eat human eggs.
Thank you for clarifying the manner and quality of the thinking behind your analysis. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 13, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think people should eat eggs at all. They smell terrible unless you thoroughly disguise them as an ingredient in cake or something like that. I can’t stand that breakfast places seem to think that “breakfast” = eggs when enlightened people know it means bacon and fried potatoes.
by jae on Aug 13, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong. Just wrong. Eggs are great. I am pretty picky about my eggs though, I’m generally only into scrambled eggs…
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about egg whites
those are the best.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 13, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raw, just suck um’ down, ala Rocky!
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Aug 13, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK jae, you’re on the clock now. You get nine more anti-egg posts, after which you have to start arguing the pro-egg position (“cake only tastes good because of the delicious, fragrant unborn chicken goop in the batter” e.g.)
After that, you will write an entire diary in praise of Andrea Bargnani. In all caps.
Thank you for clarifying the manner and quality of the thinking behind your analysis. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 13, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After that, you will write an entire diary in praise of Andrea Bargnani. In all caps.
Why is it that this blog hates him much more than the rest of the blogs do?
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 13, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because, unlike the other blogs, we have JAE and his increasingly large group of acolytes who believe that analysis of a player’s performance should consist first and foremost of his contribution to wins.
In other words, we’re just cooler.

Thank you for clarifying the manner and quality of the thinking behind your analysis. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 13, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea but I can’t credit jae with ALL of my Bargnani hate. As a tall (compared to most people playing pickup ball) white guy who likes to shoot 3’s but also likes mixing it up, Bargnani gives the rest of us a bad reputation by being about 9 billion times as soft as guys like Murphy and Dirk who are already saddled with the “soft” rep. jae has just given me the tools to validate my Bargnani hate.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 13, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how tall?
6’2 or 6’3?
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by montadaboss on Aug 13, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6’3". are you like building an info file on me or something? ; )
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 13, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, I hate 6’3 people. They’re kind of tall, but really not tall enough to be a real inside presence. Such a ‘tweener. Either grow to 6’5 or shrink to 6’1-6’2 already and figure out your true position.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha, I totally know what you mean. I played on two intramural teams last year and on one team everyone was constantly telling me to go inside more while on the other one my teammates kept telling me to take my guy outside and spread the floor more. Can’t win.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 14, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Report:
First Name: Sam
Last NAme: i dont know
occupation: unknown, however ex marine
interests: basketball, politics
race: caucasian
random facts: thing A
thats all i got. i’ll be sure to compile more information throughout the season.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 14, 2009 3:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not buying it!
This record is a FAKE! It clearly does not show that sam23 is 6’-2" or 6’-3" as recounted elsewhere. Quit hiding the truth Monta!
by toddaverth on Aug 14, 2009 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction*
Report:
First Name: Sam
Last NAme: i dont know
height: 6’3
political views: moderate conservative
wpm: 5
occupation: unknown, however ex marine
interests: basketball, politics
race: caucasian
random facts: thing A, seems cool
random random assertion: hes got red hair?

thats all i got. i’ll be sure to compile more information throughout the season.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 14, 2009 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for being so forthcoming
…we’ll be keeping an eye on you ;-)
by toddaverth on Aug 14, 2009 3:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol its a joke
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by montadaboss on Aug 14, 2009 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as was the "an eye" comment
…note the winking smile at the end
by toddaverth on Aug 14, 2009 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im taking a guess on you.
first name: todd
Last name: verth?
fun facts…: very smart, i think he’s a bi-racial character who attended an outstanding college…
this a joke….

Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 14, 2009 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like

Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 14, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for you?!
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 14, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to have miscommunicated something
I’m not bi-racial in the sense people usually mean it. I’m Italian, Danish, German, Scot, and a bunch of other white, European stuff. On the other hand, two of my uncles are Mexican immigrants and my grandmother married an African-American Buddist (her 3rd husband) who was an amazing example of what it means to be a truly good man. He has passed on, but his daughter and grandson still join us for family celebrations.
Oh, and Todd of Earth is a ridiculous pseudonym that I came up with for no particular reason about 15 years ago. My dad came up with the alternate spelling.
I, like sam and Nat, am a tall white guy. This would tend to back up the idea that people with similar racial and socioeconomic backgrounds tend to think similarly.
by toddaverth on Aug 14, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…so I’m not bi-racial, but my extended family is multi-racial.
by toddaverth on Aug 14, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, like sam and Nat, am a tall white guy. This would tend to back up the idea that people with similar racial and socioeconomic backgrounds tend to think similarly.
Er, unless you’re just goofing around, I think this is what’s known among stat nerds as a “small sample size”… ;-P
Life is a much better teacher than these blog back and forths. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...who attended an outstanding college
The California community collage (DVC) and CSU (CSUH) systems are excellent. I also spent some time at the U of U.
by toddaverth on Aug 14, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats all i got.
add that he’s got lots of friends on GSofM
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 14, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it that this blog hates him much more than the rest of the blogs do?
cause we’re elitist ! Like it or not you made the bigtime young montadaboss.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 13, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you for clarifying the manner and quality of the thinking behind your analysis. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 13, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQh3pWLx-Rg
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by montadaboss on Aug 13, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And just cus its funny, bible based marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Aug 13, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/recess_watch_a_death_to_obama_sign_at_cardins_town-hall.php
While this isolated incident might have existed regardless of his race, all this Obama is socialist/fascist/anarchist (the Joker? Wtf was that) talk is heading down a dangerous slope.
There is freedom of speech, but there is also ignorance, intentional or not, of reality. People like Glenn Beck who say that Obama has a deep-seated (I’m sorry monk, I forgot and do not want to scroll up, but I will look later) hatred of white people, people that irresponsibly throw out words like Nazi, people that refuse to see the brewing racial backlash that is coming from uneasy, powerful white people that perceive their grip on that power slipping are all feeding something that looks like it will have a violent end. You may not agree with Obama’s policies, that is fine, for one thing, I don’t agree with everything he does, but taking your disputes beyond policy quarrels to race-baiting diatribe or guaranteed to stir intense xenophobic feeling words like fascist/socialist/Muslim/born outside the USA is dangerous. And if you willingly ignore that then you are pretty much a part of the problem in my eyes. You might sincerely believe that he is a socialist, but there are others that are hearing those words and thinking “enemy”. And let’s be honest, no one benefits from a dead President. If Obama is assassinated, all racial hell will break loose.
If you want to talk policies, I would be glad to. If you want to throw around borderline hate speech, then quit getting offended when someone calls you what you are.
by belilaugh on Aug 13, 2009 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Indeed, our friend Naticus is already on record on this board saying (presumably jokingly?) that he’s going to go on a shooting spree if Rahm Emmanuel continues his fascist ways. (At least that was the gist of it — correct me if I’m wrong Nat). I can’t seem to find the post now … either it was deleted or just buried somewhere amid the piles of posts herein. What may have been most remarkable about it is that amid all the other borderline hateful comments he has spewed in these threads, it didn’t even really stand out.
I always try not to be alarmist about these things. I mean, extremist zealots say extreme and zealous things about leaders they hate all the time — doesn’t mean they’re going to go out and get a gun and try to kill them. Worrisome thing is, when you look at our country’s history, it’s not exactly unprecedented.
Naticus: obviously, I don’t mean to imply you’re remotely capable of such a thing. But as Belialugh suggests, there are others out there with similar views who are angrier, more desperate, and less kind than you. You could really, really stand to take better account of the negative force of some of your words.
Thank you for clarifying the manner and quality of the thinking behind your analysis. -- the.monk
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 13, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might be a bit more alarmist than you...
but there are some really disturbing things going on lately. Hate crimes are up since Obama was elected (I’ll admit, I remember reading this in multiple places but could be wrong if someone submits contrary evidence).
http://digg.com/politics/Book_Claims_Secret_Service_Cuts_Corners_on_Obama_s_Safety
This may be racism, or harder economic times, in this case I don’t care. The end result, which is what matters, is that Obama is getting substandard protection.
http://www.slate.com/id/2191202/
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138612
Unless all these Secret Service officials are gone, how can you know that there is not collusion to bring Obama down from the inside?
And what scares me most is that all of these protesters at these town hall meetings all appear to be white. It seems that any issue Obama touches becomes racial. I guarantee you quite a few people believe better health care is for the benefit of minorities and the demise of white people (how’s it going Glenn Beck).
If I would make an equation, it would be…
Increased hate crimes+increased racial paranoia+decreased Secret Service quality+potentially racist Secret Service people on the inside=reason to worry (IMO).
by belilaugh on Aug 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually heard a similar report about the secret service “cutting corners/costs” a couple weeks ago and fired off an email to a buddy of mine in the secret service out of curiosity/concern because it just seemed so odd to me. He primarily works out of Chicago these days, but assured me that the rumors are completely false and that when he visited Camp David recently he noticed an even higher level of security than when the two of us were stationed there together, and he hasn’t noticed any cost-cutting whatsoever in the past 9 months. He was quite adamant that all the reports of racial tension or relaxed security in the secret service are nothing more than attempts to grab headlines or sell books.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 15, 2009 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I rec’ed that because that needs to be read.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Aug 15, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I’d post the email he sent me if I wasn’t pretty sure he wouldn’t want me to. Obviously he’s not exactly emailing me any top secret information, but I’m doubting he’d want his exact words and language from a casual email laid out on a public forum.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 15, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would make sense
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by montadaboss on Aug 15, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d post the email he sent me if I wasn’t pretty sure he wouldn’t want me to.
Hi Sammy, Not at all necessary. We trust you to give us an accurate interpretation of his opinion.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 17, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DISTRICT 9 WAS AMAZING
12:01 show. you should all see. it has a large political message. best movie i have seen in the past 2 years.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 14, 2009 3:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hypocrisy 101: Guest Speaker, Naticus
(I said I was out but he took another nameless hit and run cheap shot, so that’s not gonna happen just yet.)
Everyone is qualified to talk about race. Everyone is a part of a race. Everyone has different perspectives that only their race provides them. You are trying to restrict it to a few people, and from clues like
I do not recommend whites going on rants about race
You think only people of color should talk about race. It’s their problem, right? You probably honestly believe you are trying to help POCs by saying this. However, by simultaneously only calling out a Latina for ruling on "race and sentiment" (ignoring how white people and the other Justices do this too) and saying only POCs should talk about race, you are putting all of the burdens of race on them. It’s not your problem right? If they want to do something about racism, they should be the ones who bring it up because white people are unaffected by race. And then, if they do express it, you call them racist (talking about Sotomayor).
And if you are not saying white people are unaffected by race, you are admitting you were wrong in our initial point of contention and everything you have been arguing to this point is a lie. If you are saying that white people are affected by race, so then why should they not be allowed to talk about it?
You are making race an issue that only affects minorities, not everyone. And I’m the one who makes it into an other issue?
Naticus wrote:
"Negro"
"Midget"
Yet has the nerve to get mad at me when I write the word "Beaner". If I used the term in a derogatory, or even a casual sense, I could understand his anger. But I am merely quoting it in a way that admonishes it. The same thing Naticus was supposedly doing in his SIGNATURE LINE! It’s okay when he does it though, apparently. He gives way too much power to words that he will not even allow context to be taken into consideration. If that is the case Naticus, I hope that every time a POC says a racial epithet you jump on them and tell them how offended you are. You won’t admit this, obviously, I just want you to think about this and admit that you do not do this before you post an irrelevant couple of sentences. Again, Naticus is making race something that should only exist for POC.
I am the only one who even brings racism up from both sides. Naticus only talks about Barbara Boxer, Sonia Sotomayor, etc. Yet he is the one trying to tell people to not use racism for their benefit. HYPOCRITICAL.
Naticus wrote:
I am not particularly white
Since other white guys are rambling about race, I’m going to make a few comments
SO HE IS A WHITE GUY! HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF A WHITE GUY! YET HE CALLS HIMSELF NOT PARTICULARLY WHITE AND HISPANIC WHEN IT SUITS HIM! People of color do not have the benefit of choosing to be oppressed when it suits them and choosing not to be when it doesn’t. He apparently does.
Are you really going to trust someone to tell the truth when they say things like this?
I would read it if it were #1 not so insulting/prejudice and #2 actually was interesting
In fact he (belilaugh) had a few insights I agree with.
Contradicts #2
By the way, if I didn’t read your posts, how did I know about your racially insensitive comments?
Contradicts his entire statement that he did not read it.
The evidence is right in front of you.
Next quarter there will be a Racism as A Political Talking Point seminar…guess who is teaching that one?
by belilaugh on Aug 16, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Naticus is saying
he is proud of what he is(white) but he doesn’t agree with things white people did 150-50 years ago .
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Aug 17, 2009 12:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
a war of ideas?
A war of ideas was what I said we should have done, they initiated a war of weapons instead. Shooting out ideas doesn’t make the profits for the war mongers that using up smart bombs makes but it’s a lot less deadly for men, women, and children.
How much did it cost to defeat the Soviet Union with diplomacy? If we can take down a super power without firing a shot then Iraq would have been a piece of cake, of course Reagen had more patience than Cheney and was far less evil, I can’t recall Reagen ever shooting anyone with a shotgun?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That kind of approach would have FAILED.
We’ll never know now cause we never tried, that ’s the problem with hasty actions.
We do know our money is spent, all gone! We also have almost a million iraqi deaths on our balance sheet and a poor stance from which to preach peace to any other countries who might be considering military solutions to their problems.
But we do have some neocons happy that they killed so many heathens before being reigned in.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 19, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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