How Long Can We Believe?
Oh what the year will bring.
Everyone is excited about this upcoming season, however, it seems as if to be a warriors fan, we have gotten into an overly comfortable routine of looking to the upcoming season for some glimmer of hope. Let it be clear, our team is not so drastically different from last year. Sure, we’ve acquired Stephen Curry and for the first time in a while, we can say our players are healthy. Oh and of course, we’ve lost a few players who clogged our system up a bit.
But what will this year bring? Despite our devotion and passion towards this squad, I think we can all agree that a championship will not be won. After all, the Cavs have gotten better, the Lakers have arguably gotten better, Kevin Garnett hopes to come back from injury and with Rasheed Wallace, the Celtics have arguably gotten better. Lets not stop there; the Mavericks have put together a deal with Marion creating a more solid group (despite the average age on the team being 53), until steroid-gate, Orlando seemed ready as ever, and hell, even the Clippers have gotten better. Essentially, we have our same team as last year with a years maturity and everyone else has…well they have been making moves.
However, what we will be able to see this year is where we actually stand among teams.
If you were to give the Warriors one adjective it would be "potential." This website and any other website constantly discusses the potential in our team. It is true, we believe we have potential and that potential can very well blossom into fantastic super stars if not extremely solid players. Are Anthony Randolph and Anthony Morrow really as good as we hype them up to be? Will Monta Ellis be his same self two years ago without Baron Davis? Has he truly healed from his ankle injury? Will Brandon Wright be the player we think he can be? How quickly will Curry develop? Could Beans get better?
None of these questions can be answered until the season starts.
For this reason, I believe we are in an awkward position where we just don’t know how good or how bad we are. We haven’t been able to play as a healthy unit in over a year. Therefore, what this year will bring is just that; an understanding and realization of how our beloved compares to the rest. With that said, as much as I like Kelenna Azubuike, if he doesn’t put together decent numbers this year, I would agree with a few other posts that he has reached his potential. This goes for Brandon Wright as well. If this were the case, I would hate to see us hold on to them as we cling onto the sheer possibility of greatness.
We have been a potentially good team for too long. Lets make moves if we need to. Lets not be passive in our actions. I have split up our team to 3 categories:
You have Potential but we just don’t know where you stand
Stephen Curry
Monta Ellis
Anthony Randolph
Anthony Morrow
Brandon Wright
Kelenna Azubuike (On the border Know)
Andris Beadrins (On the border of Know)
We know what you bring most nights so we know what to expect
Have you consider retiring or working for free?
Most of us would have easily put Marco in the Potential category as well - I’m glad he was traded as it allows us to focus on the other 6 or 7 we continue to believe in. What I’m trying to say is; if we don’t make the playoffs this year, I would not mind gutting the excess of our team, holding onto the few shining starts and rebuilding. Who makes this cut, only this season will tell. Until then, as always, We Believe.
So now I ask you, how many years would you continue to support a player based on potential? Better yet, how long will "We Believe" for?
I have included the potentials with the number of years they have played.
Stephen Curry (0)
Monta Ellis (4)
Anthony Randolph (1)
Anthony Morrow (1)
Brandon Wright (1)
Kelenna Azubuike (3)
Andris Beadrins (5)
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Potential is a B**ch or a best friend.
we just have to wait and make sure Mr. Potential does become a friend to these cats.
I’d say we’re a lot different this season, mostly due to Monta coming back and Randolph coming around. Other than that, we’re largely the same… wait.. I forgot about George’s impact warming the bench. That guy has a pretty big butt, so our bench should be nice and cozy.
I hate those normal-sized midgets. What are they called again? Oh, yeah. People.
I'd say 2 years is about the right amount of time
I give 1 year for everyone to go through their bumps and learn the system and their roles and the 2nd year to play as a cohesive team.

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by Tony.psd on Aug 7, 2009 7:09 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL... drawing Stephen Curry right now...
Dudes lookin like Chris Brown LOL! Run it! Run it!
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We Suck,
that really shouldnt be a news flash to anyone. It will be a struggle to be better than half the teams in the west, and most likely we wont make the playoffs. If we do pull of a miracle and make the playoffs, it is unlikely we get to game 5 against either Denver, LA, or San Antonio.
But thats not the real ‘sucky’ part. The worst part, is that our front office is going to try and make some kinds of trades to make a push toward the 8th seed, by sacrificing one of our young prospects or/and developmental playing time. Cohan has set the bar so low here, that if we can even be in a competetion for the 8th spot out of 15 teams in the West, the fans will get pumped up and fill up his stadium. We wont make the playoffs this season, but if we can stay within 5 games of the 8th spot, than the season will be a success for Cohan, Rowell, Riley, and Nelson. (I don’t blame Nelson or Riley for this, and I doubt they can even get us that close to the 8th seed, so if they do I would be impressed)
The fustrating part for me is that its really not that bad of a roster. We got 4 or 5 really good young players that have good potential and we got another 4 or so guys that are good young solid role players on good contracts. If the front office would just look at the team that way and sacrifice this season and maybe we can actually become a legitiment playoff team in 2 years time.
Maybe one day this team’s motto won’t be ‘8th Seed or Bust!’ (and we usually bust) but I’m not counting on that any time soon.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 7, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs

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by Tony.psd on Aug 7, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're missing the point
It’s a parody of “We Believe…” last seasons record wasn’t the best, I’m sure you were surfing along these pages seeing everyones displeasure last season. So… while people write out in words… I poked fun of the W’s iconic “we believe” symbol.
I don’t see myself as wasting my time, its all in good fun… I don’t get a check from the front office. :-)
See you next season
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oh sorry
about that i got the wrong idea then. Ok well maybe we can get the real we believe back alright
later.
why do I see you at the games if we suck?
You must lead a sheltered life? All people don’t enjoy the same things. Some will walk a long ways for a good suck.
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Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 9, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow the Bay Area Has to Become a More Attractive Place to Play
Either players need to like the ownership, coaches, or the physical area. Otherwise we are limited to the draft which does not work. We actually have a decent roster but we are missing a star (do not think Curry will be the star, but he could be a great complimentary player like Hornacek, etc.). Until we secure that star (Warriors are permanently screwed in the draft so it would need to be a trade which would probably be uneven in the other team’s favor), nothing will happen for us in the post season.
I think we are maxing out with what we have, so I guess I am satisfied as a fan.
What makes a location attractive?
Most people would say Los Angeles is an attractive destination for free agents, and I think that’s true … for the Lakers. It doesn’t seem to be doing the Clippers much good.
New York is the media capital of the world – but have there been many examples of top basketball players choosing to move there unless it was the best offer?
There are three considerations which make a location attractive.
1) They’re willing to pay the most money. It is EXTREMELY rare that a player goes to a team other than the one who’s willing to pay him the most.
2) They’re a championship contender. When the money is equal, free agents seem to pick the team which has the best chance of succeeding. But it’s really rare that players pick this over money. Also, sometimes, older players will take less money to get a ring.
3) A player wants to go home. They have roots in a city, and would rather play there.
by Ronaldinho on Aug 7, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
1) They’re willing to pay the most money. It is EXTREMELY rare that a player goes to a team other than the one who’s willing to pay him the most.
Example: Gilbert Arenas and Elton Brand last year…The Bay is not an attractive destination
The Bay Area was an amazingly attractive destination when Eddie D. was buying the 2nd best team in football to play second string to the best team in football. Money and winning seem to be more important than culture and weather to pro athletes.
Probably naive saying this, but maybe it’s not all about money? If the FO is unwilling to spend the $$ to bring in a superstar, maybe it’s up to the players to play well on the court this year and create the foundation for winning that a SS might be interested in joining the following year (minus the lure of $$). I think the biggest question for the team isn’t so much the players but the coach we have. All I can think about is how Al Attles knew everybody’s abilities/inabilities. He had only 1 superstar and still won a championship.
When you're talking about Max players ...
Then we can’t offer any more than anyone else … and those other factors come into play.
I’m wracking my brain to come up with a single example of an in-his-prime superstar who went to a team for less than the max money in order to win. Maybe there is one – anyone?
The other thing to bear in mind is that superstar players are the best value in the NBA. LEGITIMATE superstar players. The cap on the max contract holds down the price of those best players – you can only pay Lebron a few $m more than we’re paying Corey. That makes Corey overpaid … but Lebron underpaid. I haven’t heard of an example of a front office refusing to offer max money to a LEGITIMATE superstar.
The guys who go to a winning environment are the late-career Gary Paytons and Karl Malones. No longer great players, they’re still capable, in limited minutes, of bringing a lot to the table.
But Lebron, Chris Paul, etc … they’re going to sign for the max possible contract. If you’re not offering that, you’re not in the discussion.
But every front office in the league would be happy to offer them those contracts, if they had the cap room. There isn’t an owner in the league – even Sterling – who’s so cheap he wouldn’t do that.
If the FO is unwilling to spend the $$ to bring in a superstar…
Given a salary cap that prevents you from signing free agents to large contracts when you’re over the cap how exactly would management spent the $$ to bring in a superstar, even if they were completely willing to spend it?
by jae on Aug 8, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Arenas got an even bigger contract by the Wizards
And the 76ers offered about as much money as we did…. the biggest difference was the 76ers had a better chance at the playoffs (and made it there w/o Brand).
In any situation, they were both damaged goods and by the end of last season, their respective fans were calling for their heads. Just imagine what we’d be saying if we signed either of them
by Mr. Monday Night on Aug 8, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The Philly offer to Brand was comparable to what we offered. The money in Philly goes further as there’s a lower state income tax rate.
by jae on Aug 8, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t Brand also say he wanted to go back to the east coast. If we offered enough money, I’m sure he would have been a Warrior, but all else equal, he wanted to go back there (and I think I heard something about his wife being from around Philly or something).
by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I also heard,
that he thought he a had a much better chance of becoming an All Star in the East than in the West.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 10, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Gilbert and Brand ...
In either case, were we offering more than they ended up taking where they ended up?
My whole point is that if there’s more money at stake, it’s not about the city, it’s about th emoney.
Unless you’re Turkoglu’s wife then it is about the city.
From what I understand he took less money to go to the non-contending Raptors than what Portland offered.
A couple of other players have made moves for sake of a spouse’s wishes. I believe that Divac signed with the Kings because his wife wanted to be closer to LA where she had ambitions of acting.
In hockey, Wayne Gretzky engineered his trade to the LA Kings because his (good looking but not at all talented) wife was an actress.
by jae on Aug 8, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Toronto offered more money. 3 mill more.
by Sabonis4Ever on Aug 11, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually,
teams can be built through the draft….
Basically our entire roster was built through the draft or through draft day trades.
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 10, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that this season is a very important evaluating time
Wright is under the gun now, he either needs to stay healthy and contribute or we should move him if he can’t do so. Randolph needs to develop and start to become a leader for the team, Monta needs to show that he is fully healed and back to his form of 2 years ago, and is it too much to ask Beans to get a little hook, 5 ft. shot, something? Maybe I’m being a little greedy with the last request, but in all honesty, I expect the Warriors to be exciting and fun to watch, but with a lot of hicups along the way and most likely with somewhere around 35 wins. Barring a mid season trade, we will have to wait at least one more year (given our long suffering, whats one more year?) to return to the promised land.
Randolph needs to develop and start to become a leader for the team
I think that may be asking for a bit much. He’s still the youngest player on this team. You cannot expect players 3, 4 years older than him, or even Maggette who is almost a decade older than him to look to him for leadership. I think he should just focus on his game and be somewhat of a Monta Ellis from the 07-08 season, where he was very fun to watch but was not given any leadership responsibilities. This would be the best role he would get on this team, all he would have to do would play his game and leave the leadership roles to the likes of Jackson, Ellis, and to a less extent, Biedrins and Turiaf. He would need at least another couple of years under his belt before he can be considered for leadership roles.
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by JustSomeName on Aug 7, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Randolph needs to take the step to being a regular above average contributor on both ends of the court before we start talking about a 20 year-old as the “team leader.” Let’s remember what he was and start from there rather than having him improve upon what we so want him to be that we forget what he actually has done. He was a very, very good rebounder and a good shot blocker. When he limited himself to scoring in the paint he was a reasonable, albeit not fantastic, contributor on offense. Even just looking at what Randolph did his last couple of months, Wright was better at finding shots and making shots, and I don’t think anyone considers Wright to be an offensive monster. AR showed some flashes of ball handling ability and a mid-range jumper that can make him a matchup problem at the 4, but both were wildly inconsistent all season long.
I’d like to see: no drop off in the rebounding, something close to the blocked shot rate of this year while moving the foul rate down, and a somewhat more diversified offensive game that keeps him at or above 50% from the floor. If that happens, he’ll likely start drawing some more fouls (something that moving him out away from the basket is unlikely to do) and get enough attention that he’ll make things just a bit easier on everyone else. This happening is not a guarantee by any stretch, but it’s realistic, more realistic than dreaming that he’ll come in and dominate and have the team rally around him.
Hey Jae
What do you think Randolph will realisticly average this season
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No idea. It depends so much on
I like the dedication stories we’ve heard, but I worry that it’s not always clear to players that they can contribute without lighting up the scoreboard.
My pessimistic view: I worry that he’ll decide that he must.score.more.points and take that to be a green light to go back to the wild shooting ways that rightly kept him on the bench early last year. If he’s better at it, he could still see court time while still not being much of a help which would provide a feedback loop encouraging him to keep it up. Score 18 ppg in 34 minutes on 16 shots and he may think that he’s doing what he needs to (and the ppg-watchers will say he is) even if his offense then is a detriment.
My realistic view: 29mpg, varying according to fouls and matchup problems. Some games Nellie will still get frustrated with him and stick in a smaller guy for some reason. 48-49% shooting, because even as an interior player, he still wasn’t the high efficiency converter that Wright and Biedrins are and will at times drift to the jumper. 13 points and 8.5 to 9 rpg and a block and a half (he’ll learn that to stay out of foul trouble, he has to be more selective on the blocks).
by jae on Aug 7, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Randolph could go back to the way he played at the beginng of the year but i hope note. I really do think Randolph’s season will be how much he plays. Nellie has somewhat of an obsession with small ball which may hold Anthony back but if he can play consistent minutes(around 25 to 35) a night and also stay consistent in his play i see about 13 to 15 points, but like you said hopefully he will get his points effeciently.
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You have to give up talent to get talent
I am getting a little tired of the people who dont want to trade ANY of our young talent. How are we supposed to get better then? I for one do not want to wait to draft an all star and let him develop. We have been waiting too long!
I understand that none of us believe that the front office will make the right trade. We are just going to have to live with that gamble at some point.
We are actually in the perfect position to make a big trade this year. We have had many of our players together for a few years now, we have a young core, and we have a lot of expiring contracts/expendable players to sweeten the pot on a trade involving one of our premier players. In addition to that, there are a lot of teams who should be willing to make a big move to get ready for 2010 if their seasons dont start out well. There are a lot of superstars coming on the market next year, why not move yours for cap space as soon as you see there is no shot at a run deep into the playoffs?
Biedrins
according to interview i saw in Latvian TV said that besides other training work with national team -he is working on his midange game
so -i asked myself a question -is it somehow related to W’s plans and my answer is ….yes
because his preNBA coach Raivo Otersons said that AB always had OK midrange game (i believe he is talking about 10-12 fts) just on W’s he’s not allowed to play away from the rim because his biggest talent and contribution last 3 seasons was rebounding
but -when i stick together fact that AR ir really superb rebounder and Andris working on his midrange shot (considering he always had it) …prolly here is some room for another nice surprise
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My idea of Biedrins’ mid range game are free throws…
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yeah
i understand what you are talking about -but still if he can manage the same % from the midrange as from the stripe he’ll gonna be gooood
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by Lat We N Trash on Aug 7, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be great
if Andris can hit a little mid range jumper. Not only will it improve his game, but it would make it harder for Don Nelson to trade him or not play him. I think Andris should be a player who we shouldkeep cause he is a very nice Center.
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last place warriors
I just like everyone else have high hopes for the warriors and i agree that next year is not looking too bright as far as winning, of course we will have high moments but nothing but a building year. The Warriors also have one of the youngest teams, so making the playoffs or even breathing playoff air does not look to be coming up for another 2 years or so. If our front office keeps the core of the team and slides a few players over here and there to make some slight changes I think the Warriors can be pretty competitive. But the question after the next season or 2 is who are the players you want to build around and who are the players you can use for trade bait? of course (In my eyes) Monta & Randolph but we will see if Monta can overcome his injuries and attitude and will AR come into his own and be a solid productive player. Expect some mid-season trades this year and the end of the year hopefully and eventually we should be contenders If we build our core and not trade it.
Bukie
Maybe he has reached his potential but he is only a role player who puts up his 10-15 points on a daily baisis and that is all the Warriors need him to do, but if he can continue to improve then the Warriors should get some great offers from him which would be WONDERFUL!!!
Don't forget
Bukie’s rebounding and hustle despite being kind of undersized at forward(6’5)
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I Believe
We have a chance for the playoffs. Once were in the playoffs I believe we could knock a team off but win a championship naw. At least making it back to the playoff is a win to me. To me that shows we are improving with our home grown talent and with cap room next summer WE CAN pickup another piece that might but us in contention.
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If I don't like it, I don't like it, that don't mean that I'm hatin.
by LighTz707OuT on Aug 10, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Since I’m supplying somewhere around 14.678% of all the stats presented on this site, I think this implies I shouldn’t believe anything the rest of you say.
LOL
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by LighTz707OuT on Aug 10, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
How dare you say Devean George have no potential
You’re all haters. Murphyleavy would be ashamed to see this horrific act.
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Oh wow, did I just type Devean George have
Should have stayed off those things that make you high.
"It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit." - Coach John Wooden
“we have gotten into an overly comfortable routine of looking to the upcoming season for some glimmer of hope.”
I’ve been doing it for the last 16 years, I don’t see any reason to stop now, or at any point in the future…
As for this specific group of players, I’d give them the next 2 years to see if they show glimpses of becoming worthwhile. 2 years is not enough to evaluate a rookie coming into the league, some people seem to think it is, but keep in mind these kids are coming in 1 or 2 years removed from high school. Some people want to judge Brandan Wright already, despite the fact that he could still be in college. If Wright doesn’t turn into a substantial contributor in the next 2 years, he probably won’t. If Randolph’s game doesn’t take a big step forward in the next 2 years, he probably won’t become a superstar (though he could still be a good player). I’d like to see things from Curry in the next 2 years that show he might be a good player, but he has a longer leash than the others, I’m ok with a lot of inconsistency over that time. If 2 years from now Ellis hasn’t made it back to his pre-moped form, it’s time to head in a new direction. So…2 years is a good amount of time to evaluate the direction of the team. If they don’t look headed towards playoff contention, we need to find a new focal point, move a couple of guys, change things up some, and keep the guys that look like contributors.
I will trade you one Travis Outlaw
for one Ronny Turiaf.
Do we have a deal?
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 10, 2009 8:13 PM PDT reply actions
No deal. We’re already thin on the front line. You have to come up with something that gives us a guy that can play both PF and C in return.
by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
We will give you Dante Cunningham and the rights to Joel Freeland as well...
Deal?
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 10, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant guys that can actually contribute at both the PF and C. We have 4 guys that are good enough to get playing time in the NBA at 4 and 5 on our team, and you want one of them. It’s a bad fit.
by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
well....
you cannot have Oden or Przybilla… so Freeland is all I have to offer. Turiaf for…. Outlaw and 1st rounder and Freeland. Man I feel like I am giving up a lot for this guy. Forget it!! Discussions are off the table.
At least I tried
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 10, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions
And it’s not that the offer wasn’t fair, just that we aren’t in a position where we can afford to give up Turiaf. I wish we were, but we just don’t have much depth on the front line…
by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Then don’t get excited, be miserable, act like the Warriors not doing well is the end of the world. Is that going to make them play better? No? ok then, be a fan then and just support your team.
Thx come again!
I'm used to this already
I been a Warriors fan since the spree, mullin and timmy days. I’m die hard fan, but i can’t really see them going back to the playoff until they trade some player like action jackson, magg and Wright for a good pf and get cohan out of here. All i got to say the “We Believe” bullshyt didnt dawn on me at all. I been waiting for them to go deep in playoff for 15 yrs. I wont be happy until i see them reach the west final or the final. I be very if they go all the way. That would really make my day.
by warriorfan4life on Aug 14, 2009 3:57 AM PDT reply actions
Monta (4)
I’ll be nice and give him 3.5. I still believe that the Warriors will make it to the playoff this year. Every other Western Conference team, team franchiser (whatever the correct jargon is), all star men will just be injured throughout this season. Some, because, well they’re getting old.
Let them get a feel of that. Let’s go Warriors still.
We Believe?
I’m a die-hard Warriors fan, but I also like to think that I’m a realist. Looking back at how things transpired for the Warriors, I really do believe the one great year the Warriors had in the We Believe season was nothing more than a fluke. I don’t recall anyone (e.g. the writers) ever saying that it was a fluke, but I’m not afraid to label it as such. It took a really healthy Baron Davis, a midseason trade to land Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington, and the best fans in the NBA, to pull off such an incredible run. THAT, my friends, was the formula of success for that magical season. Well, missing from that formula today is the biggest piece of all, Davis. Cohan was the dummy that vetoed Mullin’s decision to give Davis the deal that he wanted (and EARNED, mind you). Whether Davis would have been able to stay healthy for the Warriors or not is beside the point. Cohan’s refusal to give Davis the contract doesn’t reflect well on him and his commitment to winning. Davis proved he was the guy to run Nelson’s system, and Cohan deliberately ignored that. What was he thinking? That Ellis could somehow become a point guard all of sudden and lead the team? Or was it that Jackson’s leadership and scruffy defense was going to do wonders for the Warriors? Which is why Cohan gave Jackson that extension in the first place, right?
How long can we believe? I don’t know, but all I know is that so long as Cohan and/or that dummy, Don Nelson, are running this team, I’m a Warriors fan that’s not going to believe anymore IN THE BULLSHIT THAT THEY SPEW OUT TO THE FANS. The only thing I’m going to believe in is the players. I believe in Anthony Randolph’s dedication to becoming a better player and proving that he was one of the top three players taken out of last year’s draft, and I believe in Anthony Morrow proving everyone wrong that they made a huge mistake drafting Stephen Curry (Morrow will prove that HE is the sharpshooter with more potential, and not Curry). Those opposed to this view should look at Curry’s awful performance so far during summer league, and then flip the page, only to come across Morrow’s record setting 47-point-performance in a summer league game. I said it on draft day, and I’ll say it again, Curry is another J.J. Reddick waiting to happen. I’ll eat my words the day he proves me wrong, but I think that’s very unlikely.
Taking Curry with the high pick further proves the incompetence of Nelson and Cohan. The guy is soft (just what the Warriors need, another soft guy who doesn’t rebound); the guy is small (just what the Warriors needs, more small guys playing in the backcourt); the guy only has a desire to score (just what the Warriors need, more players who aren’t committed to playing defense).
I can only hope that the Warriors are entertaining this upcoming year. I hope they’re competitive. I hope Monte can show improvement handling the ball and making decisions on the fly, and above all, I hope Randolph and Morrow tear it up together. Morrow’s shot is, as Monte put it, “cold-vicious”. If you don’t put a hand up, he’ll drain it in your grill. Nuff said…
(This just in from Chronicle Live, Raiders release Lorenzo Neal. Ouch!)
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 19, 2009 7:54 PM PDT reply actions
Hmmm…I pretty much disagree with every point you made. You don’t give a contract to a player for what he did in the past. You give a contract for what the player will do in the future, over the life of that contract. There is a reasonable argument that maybe we should have signed Baron. There is also a strong case against it (especially given the proof we have now, as in, Baron was horrible last season ,do we really want him for 4 more years after that?). More to the point, Cohan is a terrible owner, yes, but worrying about if Baron gets hurt is extremely relevant, and claiming it’s besides the point is ridiculous.
Drafting Curry may or may not be a mistake, we won’t know for a while, but your reasons for thinking it was a mistake are way off. First of all, Curry and Morrow are very different players and play different positions, and have very different skill sets. Just because one of them shoots well does not mean we can’t play two players who shoot well at the same time. Second, Curry does in fact rebound fairly well for his position based on his college stats, so that simply was a false claim. Third, summer league doesn’t mean ****. There is basically no correlation between summer league performance and NBA performance. Fourth, Stephen Curry and JJ Redick are extremely different players, just a bad comparison. Fifth, given that we want to play Curry at the 1, he is not small. He’s pretty big for a 1. Sixth, what makes you think he only has a desire to score, just because his college teammates sucked so much that he took all the shots (which was better for the team’s chances of winning)? His defense is a question mark, finally something I can agree with, but until we actually see him play an NBA game, there is no way we can make much of a prediction on how he’s going to play on that side of the floor.
by Missing Barry on Aug 19, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear you
Thanks for offering different perspectives on the matter. I must admit, my response to this post wasn’t that well thought out to begin with as it was more of an “angry” response towards everything that has happened. It sure did feel good though as a fan (to be able to let some steam out). But the points you raised about Baron Davis didn’t really help to explain much for me (the fan). Granted, Baron wasn’t 100%, and he played only 65 games for the Clips last year, but when you say horrible, you forget to mention that Baron was running Coach Dumleavy’s offensive system, which didn’t allow Baron to be the Baron that he was under Coach Nelson. Thus, the horrible numbers.
I was wrong in saying that Baron’s injury history shouldn’t have factored into Cohan’s decision to give him that contract, but who is to say that he wouldn’t have been to stay healthy for the Warriors and play 60-80 games last season. Put this into perspective. Baron Davis played in only 63 games in the 06-07 campaign, and yet that was enough to propel the Warriors into the playoffs. For my money, I’d take that any day! A banged up Baron Davis who plays in 63 games is better than no Baron Davis. Don’t forget that he came back the next year, played in all 82 games, and guided them to a 2nd consecutive winning season. Further, he played all 82 games in his first three years in Charlotte, so it’s not like the guy is a stick who goes out there and just breaks every time.
You say that “you don’t give a contract to a player for what he did in the past”… that kinda makes sense, but when it’s the player that guided you to your very first playoff season in the past 14 years, I think it’s safe to say that that particular player earned a new contract (because he showed what he could do for you, right?). Baron led the Warriors to the playoffs in the ‘07 We Believe season, and helped them to another winning season the following year. That wasn’t too long ago if I’m correct. So saying you don’t pay someone for what they’ve done in the past really doesn’t make much sense (and is REALLY UNFAIR TO THE PLAYER) when the past was only, what… 1, 2 years ago? Where have you been this whole time? If the “past” you’re referring to was, say, 7-8 years ago and in that timespan he failed to stay healthy and produce consistently, then yes, I would agree with you. But that wasn’t the case. Baron asked for a 3 year contract if I’m correct, and to me, 3 years isn’t asking for much. He was in the prime of his career. Are you telling me his body was breaking down, was just too old, and no longer had the capacity to play through injuries and/or stay healthy at that juncture in his career? The Warriors weren’t dealing with a 39 year old at the time, they were dealing with a 29 year old!
Listen, if Baron was riddled with injuries and couldn’t play in his last season with the Warriors, then I’ll understand the freaking decision to let the guy go. But once again, he played in all 82 games! That’s not enough to convince you as an owner to sign the guy to an extension? The man helped put an end to 14 years of misery, brought the Warriors to the national spotlight, and helped Cohan and his greedy people generate so much revenue from selling tickets and apparel, and you don’t want to give him an extension? That’s really not fair. From the fans’ perspective, that doesn’t reflect well on you as an owner, and as I said in my first response, it pretty much questions your commitment to winning. Thus, you have my angry “fan” response to this “How long can we believe question?” A friend of mine said, “Pull the trigger and sign him, and stop being a pussy about it.” I thought that’s what Cohan should have done.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 20, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think our differences really come from what we think of Baron, as opposed to what we think of ownership (who obviously constantly screws up decisions and how they handle things). I see a guy who’s usually hurt, who has attitude problems that show up both in not getting along with coaches and in motivational issues. His decision making and effort are inconsistent. The year we didn’t make the playoffs we were a legitimately good team, and Baron was the best player on that team. At 29 players start to physically decline, though, and between not trusting Baron’s commitment to being a winning basketball player (that is, doing the little things like making good decisions, staying in shape in the offseason, giving consistent effort on D and such) and the risk with committing to him long term, I just don’t think it would have been the right move for us. If it didn’t work out it would set us back years.
That said, I obviously appreciate all Baron did for our franchise, especially the We Believe year and the following season. I will always look back on him with good memories (I’ll conveniently ignore the year under Monty). I just think from a pure basketball standpoint, committing to Baron is a risky proposition, and there’s a good chance it would have set us back.
by Missing Barry on Aug 20, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry
I was expecting a better rebuttal regarding Curry, but the things you said, once again, didn’t help explain much for me. I made the comparison while taking into consideration who the Warriors already have on the roster. Ellis, Azabuike, Morrow, Speedy Claxton, and Acie Law (a 24 year old 6-3 guard with whom the Warriors are intrigued with in playing the 1 to backup Monta). Did you forget about the roster, or were you just ignoring it? With the make-up of the team as it is, why draft another small guy. Your 5th rebuttal says that the Warriors want to play Curry at the 1. That would be perfectly fine, but you ignore the fact that they already have a star in the making in Monta Ellis, who is built very similar to Curry, mind you, and plays the exact same position(s) of point and shooting guard. You honestly think Ellis and Curry together would work? Look at the whole picture why don’t you… Ellis at the point (where he has said he feels comfortable playing in), Morrow at the 2 (a 6-5, 210 lbs guard who can stand a much better chance of guarding the prototypical two guards around the league, and has proven he can shoot the lights out, so why need Curry…), Jackson at the 3 (his natural position), Randolph at the 4, and Biedrins at the 5. Where does that leave Curry? On the bench? Or were you thinking about starting Curry in place of Ellis, or starting both of them. The former would cause a huge problem with Ellis (the team’s last star player) who will not be happy with it, and the latter would create a defensive issue at the guard positions, which is a problem that the team doesn’t need because defense is already an issue.
About his rebounding… are you kidding me? “…based on his college stats”, yes, he’s an okay rebounder I suppose, but even then he did so only “fairly well” as you put it. Rebounding fairly well at the college level, I don’t think, will translate to the NBA. You honestly think that at 6-3, 185 lbs., Curry will be able to provide the kind of rebounding that the Warriors desperately need at the NBA level? When making my case against Curry, I also considered the fact that the Warriors constantly get murdered on the glass every single season, which is a tidbit of information about the team that you ignored.
And my ‘comparison’ to Reddick wasn’t really a comparison, even though I think they’re similar, so much as it was a statement in saying that I think Curry has a good chance of becoming a bust. That’s all I was saying. You know? Like one of those players who many considered would come into the league and shoot the lights out and failed miserably. Like an Adam Morrison (dubbed the next Larry Bird, hahaha)… etc. But if you’d like to make the comparison, allow me… Redick was thought of in the same light as Curry. A 6-4, 190 lbs guard with a shoot first mentality who was drafted high at 11 overall. Pretty similar if you ask me. Thus, the brief ‘comparison’.
The only thing I’ll agree with you regarding Curry is that there is absolutely no correlation between summer league and NBA performances, so we’ll never know, but his performance so far is kinda hard to ignore when I take EVERYTHING into consideration (which I won’t elaborate on now because it would take a while, as it usually does when I write about something).
Lastly, you challenged my reasons for thinking that drafting Curry was a mistake, but you failed to even give me one reason as to why they drafted him in the first place? To score? Seriously? Is that what they need? Another scorer? You gotta give me somethin’. WHY DID THEY DRAFT HIM?
(Thanks for the response. I took much of that into consideration as well. That is, his attitude and motivational issues. But I think he loved playing for Nelson and the Warriors. I think he would have been able to set aside the attitude and motivational issues because he felt comfortable in the environment he was in. There were a number of things that confirm this: 1) he had his two friends Harrington and Jackson at the time, 2) he enjoyed playing with Monta (mini-Baron, remember?) and Biedrins (with his great hands down low helping Baron rack up those assist totals), 3) he was in good standing with Chris Mullin, and 4) he knew that under Nelson’s system, he could continue flourishing and becoming ‘reborn’, after the debacle in New Orleans. But, it’s as if Cohan ignored this stuff and only focused only on whether or not this guy could stay healthy.)
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 20, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like I have a lot of stuff to respond to….Guess I’ll go through point by point
First of all, in terms of roster construction, I don’t see much of a problem. I don’t think Law is really a factor in our plans as much as just an expiring contract. He hasn’t played well in what limited minutes he’s received so far in the NBA, and doesn’t look like a contributor. Claxton definitely isn’t going to play. The rotation I see is Ellis, Jackson, Maggette, Morrow, ‘Buike, Curry for 3 spots. There’s minutes for everyone, and they all bring a variety of different skills and abilities so that gives Nelson a lot of flexibility to throw mismatches out there. Jackson can play the 2 or 3 (though he doesn’t rebound well enough to be a 3 but physically that’s where his best fit is), same with ‘Buike and Morrow. Maggette is a 3. Ellis will see time at both 1 and 2, and Curry will play 1. You can count on injuries, which will make the minutes situation even more clear. At times Curry and Monta will be out there together, but I’m not nearly as worried about it as others. First of all, we have yet to see them play together, there’s a chance defensively it works out better than people are expecting. More importantly, what you really have to consider is the net effect it has – is the offensive benefit equal or better than the defensive problem it creates? I dunno, but I feel at worse it will be better than most people think.
As for Curry as a player, a number of people think he’s a great passer, though he didn’t do much of it in college because his teammates sucked. My view of the pick is we just took the best player available, and we see Curry as a potential Steve Nash type. Of course that will take a lot of development (Nash took a while to get where he was, after all), and I don’t realistically expect him to be nearly that good, but the thought process is we have a high basketball IQ, good passing player to run the offense.
As for rebounding, I believe stats show college rebounding ability translates very well to the pros. Curry’s rebounding will be fine for a PG, after all not much is expected from PG’s to begin with – the bigger problems are guys like Stephen Jackson who rebounds like a PG despite being 6’8. Having Randolph in addition to Biedrins should help our rebounding.
Basically, I think we drafted him to run the point and help create shots for his teammates. His shooting will keep the defense honest, as well as the guy guarding him, allowing him to penetrate and create for others easier. Better shooting = better offense, ceteris paribus, so there’s not a problem having Morrow, ‘Buike and Curry. It’s not like Curry is supposed to be a 3 point specialist, his role will be very different than that.
Anyways, I don’t really want to defend the pick, I’m just giving you my opinion why I don’t mind the pick too much (though I will admit, if it was up to me I would have taken Brandon Jennings). I don’t think the Warriors management and ownership runs the team well, so maybe it really was just a dumb pick. However, in a draft that may have been somewhat deep but definitely was not very talented at the top, I didn’t mind taking the best player available. We aren’t a championship team right now, we don’t need to be overly concerned with filling needs as much as acquiring the most/best talent possible, which I think we might have done. If Curry works out, we can figure out how the pieces fit together to make a championship contender later.
by Missing Barry on Aug 20, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions

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