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How are your feelings towards "Captain" Jack? -poll attached

After all this media attention Jackson is getting I want to know how people feel about our captain now that he wants to be traded. Yes, he may be the "best" or rather most complete player on a pretty deep squad but would it really be smart to keep him? We have so much untapped talent on our roster waiting to be given a chance we could probably afford to lose his expensive contract for expiring contracts or for whatever would make us better.

OK, so I thought about it and I was wondering how Stack Jack would take it if the crowd that he fell in love with boos him like crazy opening night or whenever he does something stupid. We all know he thrives off of Roaracles cheers/reactions so would he still play at his best? Or would he be affected by it? It's going to be real interesting opening night... What happens on that night could affect the teams chemistry. I attached a poll to see how you guys are going to cheer for him.

Poll
How will you cheer for captain Jack?
Cheer for him even though he gave up on our beloved team
97 votes
Boo him for being a trader after we gave him his money
211 votes
Do nothing because I still have respect for him
142 votes
Decide after someone in the media interviews him about his remarks
162 votes

612 votes | Poll has closed

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Still conflicted about Jackson

Jackson can be a very useful part of a good team. His heart and effort are to be admired and have made him a player and fan favorite. There is a reason he is a captain of the team (and I don’t think it’s just to try to appease him.) He also has a number of useful skills that allow him to match up well both offensively and defensively with some of the best in the league.

Unfortunately, Jackson can also be very detrimental to his team. Arguing with refs( ie. getting called for technical fouls and not getting back on defense,) taking low percentage shots, failing at times to even try to pass the ball and involve certain team mates, and/or attempting passes that are too risky and just result in turnovers are all things we have seen Jackson do that have hurt the Warriors.

If Jackson has little to no faith in the Warriors he’s not going to help them get anywhere good and he should be traded for the best package available. If his remarks were mostly off-the-cuff and his concerns are rectified by the front office and a good camp and preseason, he can be a big part of a successful season (not the best part, but a big part.) He might still be worth trading, but only for a really good package.

by toddaverth on Sep 15, 2009 2:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Agree with everything you said

by VERY VERY BUSY on Sep 15, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or I should say, I agree with you, I’m just not conflicted, I will be cheering for him. Jack is the biggest competitor we have on the team. I don’t agree with him arguing with the refs, but I do understand.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Sep 15, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about cheer for him because of the contributions he’s given us, because he hasn’t given up on our team. It’s amazing how far people run with a couple of comments. Acknowledging the truth – that we aren’t a championship contender – doesn’t mean he’s “given up on our team”.

by Missing Barry on Sep 15, 2009 7:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember when the Kobe asked to be traded

I think that was in the beginning of the 2007-2008 season, the season which they got Pau Gasol during midseason. I wonder how the Lakers fans reacted to that at the start of the season.

by IQofaWarrior on Sep 15, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I have to get this in before people crucify you for “Comparing Jackson to Kobe.” My friends and I were talking about this, this morning. The threat of losing their star play turned the Lakers from a 1st round playoff exit to a Championship contender. Jack is a competitor and our best player. He is to us what Kobe is to the Lakers. Hopefully the threat of possibly losing our best player will help us land a big name.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Sep 15, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN reports Nellie says Jackson will remain captain

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4473647

In other words, “we can’t trade you, so you’re staying put.”

Don’t know if that will work or last, but I guess there’s little choice. Get the best out of Jackson since we’re stuck with him.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Sep 15, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's no reason not to cheer

except for when he whines like a baby to the refs.

He has the right to say he doesnt want to play here anymore. Dont you have the right to say you dont want to work at your job anymore?!
 I believe he will still play hard and be professional.

by warriorsvictim on Sep 15, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cheer for him

…for the time being. I say as long as he’s in a Warriors uniform, you have to cheer for him. No matter what he says on or off the court, he’s still a Warrior. Like you said, Jackson feeds off the energy at the Oracle and the last thing you want to see is if the entire place booed him and he just self-destructed and became a detriment to our team. If he did do hella bad because of all the boos, it will not only drop his trade value, but cause us more losses than if he was at the top of his game. I say cheer for him for now until he is traded.

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by JustSomeName on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

i’m going to cheer forhim until he is traded. If we want to win thisyear we need Jackson at his best

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by GSW9 on Sep 15, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dont care about him

i never really like Jackson anyway , i don’t like his game, and many may disagree about what i am saying but, what leadership? He just old and has more seniority / our best player? he is not, he takes 40 shots a game , of course he scores more than everyone else,on the team he also lead the team in misses/bad shots. Still in the W’s uniform or not, still in NBA or not, i would never cheer for him. when baron was here it was about BD when he left it was about monta, when moped came along it was still about monta coming back. Jackson is really a nobody never was the face nor the best in the W’s.

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by Bonkers510 on Sep 15, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

plus turnovers. and bad decisions. and costly technicals…

"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits

by FriscoJoe on Sep 21, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends...

I will cheer for him as long as he can be a professional and still give his 100% here while he is here. If he starts pouting or appearing unmotivated because he wants out, then I will not cheer for him.

by bObaBaLLa on Sep 15, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

He has heart

but the organization has no heart. I bet that’s part of why he wants to leave.

by yobo on Sep 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course he’s gonna ask for an extension. Just like every player and every American, really, he was trying to get as much money as people would be willing to pay him.

by Missing Barry on Sep 15, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not the point

You work your way for an extension and then turn around and say you want out? Don’t expect much is all I’m saying. First off he gives a big FU to the Warriors, and secondly who the hell would want his contract anyways? All the legit championship-contending teams have all their pieces in place already for the upcoming season.

Now he needs to just shut up and go play ball.

by bObaBaLLa on Sep 16, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got his money, now he’s trying to get his location, so what if he tries to work the system a little bit? He’s not giving an FU to the Warriors, simply stating his personal preferences. I agree nobody wants to trade him and he’ll stay on the Warriors, and play the same he did last year. Not a big deal at all. The problem is the fans that are misinterpreting this and crying because it hurt their feelings. All I’m interested is the Warriors success on the court, and this has 0 bearing on it whatsoever. Jack’s simply trying to put himself in the best situation for him, I could care less.

Then we can touch on the whole fairness issue and look at how a team can trade a player who might take a discount to play for them despite the players wishes to say – why should the player, once he’s got his money, not be able to get himself traded where he wants to go?

I just don’t see the issue that’s got Warriors fans feeling all butthurt.

by Missing Barry on Sep 16, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree nobody wants to trade for him and he’ll stay on the Warriors

by Missing Barry on Sep 16, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it could/does have bearing on their success on the court

Like I said in my original post to the thread, as long as he can stay professional about being a basketball player, then I will not boo him. If he becomes unmotivated and doesn’t care to play, then that is detrimental to the team on and off the court. I don’t think anyone is misinterpreting anything. His statements, amongst a slew of many other things, are valid reasons for fans to be concerned about the future of the team.

Aren’t you concerned that the Warriors will end up trading him for crap just for the sake of getting him out of here? Aren’t you concerned that he worked the system and got his extension, and that reduces the cap flexibility the warriors have to go after future free agents? All those things affect the success on the court.

by bObaBaLLa on Sep 16, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, I’m withholding judgment until something actually happens. If the Warriors trade him in a bad trade, I’ll blame the FO because they don’t have to trade him. If Jack shows up and doesn’t give us the effort we expect, then yes, I’ll boo Jack, too, but that has yet to happen.

Aren’t you concerned that he worked the system and got his extension, and that reduces the cap flexibility the warriors have to go after future free agents?

I’m concerned that we signed him to an extension, I think it was a stupid move by the front office, and I do blame them for that. Through Jack’s eyes, though, I respect him for that move. Genius. More power to him for cutting an agent out and still managing to get his money. I don’t see any problem with that. Just living the American dream.

His statements have been greatly misinterpretted by a lot of fans. Maybe not you, but if you’ve been reading the forums here fans have been talking about Jack the traitor and how can he do this to us?! and all that kind of garbage. He hasn’t done anything to us, as of the current situation. He mentioned he’d like to be traded to a contender, doesn’t mean it will happen. Big deal, he was talking truth anyways, he’s getting old and we’re not a contender.

by Missing Barry on Sep 16, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got his money, now he’s trying to get his location, so what if he tries to work the system a little bit?

And so what if the Warrior fans boo him for his betrayal? It’s all part of the game, right?

He got his money early by promising leadership. Now he’s working to get to a better team. Well, let me work against him for working against MY interests as a Warriors fan. He can redeem himself still. If not, hell, it’s just basketball – BOOOO

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Sep 17, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And so what if the Warrior fans boo him for his betrayal? It’s all part of the game, right?

He got his money early by promising leadership. Now he’s working to get to a better team. Well, let me work against him for working against MY interests as a Warriors fan. He can redeem himself still. If not, hell, it’s just basketball – BOOOO

And this is exactly the type of attitude that I don’t understand. First of all, he hasn’t done a single thing that’s “betrayed” the team, not has he done a single thing that has gone against our interest as Warriors fans. The Warriors, to date, have not been any worse off than they were before Stephen Jackson said anything.

He got his money by negotiating with the Warriors and them giving it to him. Speculating that he “promised leadership” and has broken said promise is kind of…ridiculous. Link me to a transcript of his contract negotiations? In addition to that, what exactly about these comments changed how he was living up to any expectations of him being a leader? Please explain what, specifically, changed because of this?

If Jack comes out this season and doesn’t play hard, fine, boo him, I’ll join in. He has yet to do anything that has hurt this club, though, so why don’t you re-evaluate your stance. If the front office trades Jack, boo the front office. They don’t have to trade him. Until either of these things happens, though, have some perspective on what we want as a fan and cheer a player who’s provided us with a lot of excitement since he joined our team.

by Missing Barry on Sep 17, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please note Rowell’s and Jackson’s quotes in this article from ESPN on Jackson’s extension.

“We’re excited to have Stephen under contract for the next several years,” Warriors president Robert Rowell said in a statement. “He has been nothing short of terrific — both on the floor and in the community — since we acquired him almost two years ago. He has embraced this opportunity with the Warriors and has become a leader of a very young basketball team. Furthermore, he expressed a desire to be here long-term and we wanted him to be a part of our team as we move forward. We view this as a win-win for everyone.”

(emphasis added)

“I’m extremely happy,” Jackson said. “The Bay Area has become my second home since I arrived here in 2007 and I can’t accurately describe how good it feels to be wanted and appreciated by an organization. The Warriors from Chris Cohan, Robert Rowell, Chris Mullin and Coach Nelson to the last person working in the front office have embraced me since day one. This organization has put me in a position to succeed and, for that, I will be forever grateful. I am really looking forward to the next several years, helping this young team win and providing my veteran leadership.”

(emphasis added)

You can argue that he hasn’t really demanded a trade and that he hasn’t really betrayed the team. But I don’t think you can argue that he was expected to provide and promise to provide multiple years of professional basketball and, as he says, veteran leadership. It’s also hard to argue that publicly implying that your team is not a contender and not going to be a contender shows any kind of faith in your teammates, let alone leadership.

In this instance he has fallen short of what he promised when he signed the contract. He can still step up and fix it, and if he does well we’ll all let it go, but it is easy to understand why fans (and members of the organization) might be upset.

by toddaverth on Sep 17, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some good quotes, if I was running the show and Jack came and told me he wanted to be traded I’d read them to him as I explained I’m not going to trade him.

I still can’t get upset about anything until it somehow negatively affects our franchise. Jack is still a Warrior. The front office doesn’t have to trade him (and I believe they shouldn’t simply because nobody wants him enough to give us anything worthwhile).

As for the quotes themselves, to some degree of course they’re PR quotes. Not gonna speculate on how much so or not, just going to point out our situation has changed some since Jack signed it – we went from a 48 win team to a 29 win team, Ellis went down, Al got traded, I’m not surprised Jackson’s feelings have changed some. Even so, again, he can change his mind on the team the same way the team could change their mind on him (like Indiana did, for instance) and trade him, why can’t he do his best to get traded?

I’m getting repetetive here, but I’ll just say again, the most important point to me is this has yet to hurt the Warriors. I’m a fan of the Warriors and I want them to do as well as possible. If Jackson does something that gets in the way, I will be unhappy with it. So far, nothing has changed because of this situation. It has not made the Warriors worse as of the present.

by Missing Barry on Sep 17, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get where you are coming from and don’t strongly disagree. Though some of the things you mention technically happened before the extension was signed I can see how Jackson’s estimation of the situation may have changed over the past 10 months. I’m not ticked off. I’m not going to boo Jackson. I’m certainly not ready to demand a trade at all costs. I am disappointed and I can understand why some Warrior fans feel betrayed.

I do feel like Jackson’s comments detract from, rather than build excitement for the team both among the fan base and the players themselves. Since you and I have disagreed elsewhere on the importance of such things I can see how you wouldn’t regard this as hurting the team. I do. I think it can be overcome, but Jackson -and the team – has to work at it.

I agree with Naticus that it doesn’t really sound like Jackson was demanding a trade, so much as saying he expected one. I also have to admit that he didn’t specifically say that the Warriors were not going to contend. He said, with the understanding that he expected to be traded, he wanted to go to a contender, NY, or Texas.

 Unfortunately, the perception of what he said (an easy and expected interpretation under the circumstances) was that he wanted to be traded and that he didn’t believe his current team was going to contend for a championship in the next 4 years. He hasn’t done anything to dissuade people of that interpretation, probably because he realizes that he’s already said too much and trying to clarify the situation is just going to cause more problems (read: angry management, fines and obstacles to trades that might help the team.)

by toddaverth on Sep 18, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm always gonna have love for Jack. (BD, too)

Were his comments really a surprise? What’s surprising is that Monta and Andris haven’t made any waves.

"At the end of the day, you've just got to put the ball in the hole."

by SPREEE4THREEE on Sep 15, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did he not realize what this team was

when he signed his extension? Acourse he did but there was no way another team would have game him that much money at his age so he took it. Now hes got his money and thinks he’s going to get a trade to a contender with us recieving junk in return please. I’ll be booing Jack if I get any sign of less then 100% effort.
Now if he was just trying to get some media for his shoe sales I kind of get it for him but it only hurts the warriors.

by Warriorfan on Sep 15, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

get rid of him

jackson is a cancer bringing this team doqn he shoots way too many dumb shots and threes and is constantly gets T’s the sooner he and Nellis are gone the sooner they can get better

by tinbuk on Sep 15, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jack should be stripped of his captaincy

Hey, he’s got his team’s back, right? That’s what he supposed to be about. He has had ample chance to take his words back, and he hasn’t. If he had an agent, he would have made a public retraction within 24 hours. But, he saved the 4% and now he gets to pay $25k. Jack’s dead to me.

 Make Turiaf a captain. Make Ellis one and bench Jackson.

"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Sep 15, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He has had ample chance to take his words back, and he hasn’t.

Why should he take his words back? He said he’s getting old and he’d like to play for a contender, which we aren’t. What about that isn’t true or understandable? This situation really hasn’t had any negative effect on the Warriors yet, so before you go talking about Jack being dead to you, why don’t you just relax a bit and let things play out. I don’t see why the reaction is so strongly negative to something that has had no negative effect on the team we root for to date.

by Missing Barry on Sep 16, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

restatement: If he had taken his words back

he wouldn’t have been fined. i am not commenting on what he should or should not do. furthermore, i am responding to the question of this diary, which is what your feelings about cap’n jack? and after thoughtful reflection, feel that he should be stripped of his captaincy. his actions cheapen the position.

He is in a leadership position, right? You know, not every player gets to be a champion. Many above average players have solid careers never winning the whole shebang. Jack was lucky that he helped the Spurs with their 2nd championship, but he BOLTED to the Hawks as a free agent. Did he care much about winning then? He could have built a career as a Spur and been a champion. Instead, Bruce Bowen was their starting SF for all those years…

So, I don’t buy Jack’s act anymore. But, I don’t really care if you love him MB. Unfortunately, you feel incredulous that I may possess my opinions that he showed a weakness in character and a lack of leadership for this young team. Jack does not make good choices and doesn’t deserve my respect…

"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he had taken his words back he wouldn’t have been fined.

That is a good point. He did cost himself $25,000. Man I wish I had the kind of money to make a stupid comment that costs me $25,000 and I barely even have to blink…

So, I don’t buy Jack’s act anymore. But, I don’t really care if you love him MB. Unfortunately, you feel incredulous that I may possess my opinions that he showed a weakness in character and a lack of leadership for this young team. Jack does not make good choices and doesn’t deserve my respect…

Eh, it’s not so much that I love Jack as much as I appreciate his past contributions and have no problem with him treating basketball like a business, because it is one. I’m incredulous because I think people are looking at the issue through the wrong lens – they expect a player to be loyal to a team in an environment where the team has no obligation to be loyal to the player, and that simply doesn’t make any sense to me. Basketball players are just like any other Americans, they pursue their financial interests while weighing other factors that would make them happy. For Jack, he got the money he was looking for, and now he’s realized he wants something else (another championship), so he’s pursuing it. Oh well. What about that is “weakness in character”? I personally think it won’t even be an issue because nobody’s going to offer up any worthwhile trade for Jack; I think he has a distorted view of his own value (which people in general tend to have).

As for leadership, what exactly are your expectations of Jack? I have problems with the way he argues with refs and doesn’t always give a consistent effort on D. I’m just unsure how him wanting to play for a championship contender really relates to leadership and the leadership expectations people have of Jack at all.

Jack does not make good choices and doesn’t deserve my respect…

I can see some things Jack has been involved with in the past making you say this. As a Warriors fan, though, you have to have some appreciation for what he’s done here, right (and those things were all before he got to the Warriors)? Also, I’m again unsure why this particular issue would make you lose respect for Jack. It’s really not much of an issue…

by Missing Barry on Sep 17, 2009 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they expect a player to be loyal to a team in an environment where the team has no obligation to be loyal to the player

Not exactly. Jackson has a guaranteed contract (that the Warriors gave him when they did not have to and, many people think, it was not in their best interest to have done so.) The Warriors organization has not only demonstrated loyalty to Jackson, they have signed a contract that obligates them to continue to do so (monetarily at a minimum.) If this were an issue of Jackson being a free agent, your reasoning would be correct. It is not. Jackson committed to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for guaranteed monetary compensation. Jackson has just as much an obligation to make sure the Warriors get full value out of this arrangement as the Warriors do to pay him. Avoidable actions that reduce his value to the team – like demanding a trade publicly – are, to a degree, a breach of that contract. Getting what he wants (guaranteed money) and then not being willing to do what he promised to to get it (play for the Warriors to the best of his ability) because he wants something else now (to play for a championship or closer to home or with his buddy) is dishonest.

You can argue that Jackson didn’t demand a trade, but rather expressed that he expected a trade (had asked for it?) and had a preference to play for a contender or in Texas or with the Knicks. In that case it makes for a bad sound bite, was probably not wise, but really isn’t a big deal. (I think this is where things really stand. If not, its where the Warriors want to pretend it stands. This is why they are making the statements they are.)

 If he comes back and plays hard, fulfilling his obligation, there is no problem. If he and the Warriors work out a trade (or buyout?) that provides significantly equivalent (or better) value to the Warriors, there is also no problem. If he takes the money and pouts until he gets out of town, the Warriors may not be able to do anything, but that is dishonest.

by toddaverth on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You left out the part where the organization can trade him against his will. I see a situation where he’s trying to be the one to make a trade happen, instead of the organization. Same principle, just through the players point of view.

by Missing Barry on Sep 17, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You left out the part where the organization can trade him against his will

  Yes, This is sorta like a mirror image of the Crawford situation. Jamal committed to the team then they sat him till they could trade him.

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 17, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

an obligation to make sure the Warriors get full value out of this arrangement

Actually, I used this wording

an obligation to make sure the Warriors get full value out of this arrangement

specifically to acknowledge that the Warriors “can trade him against his will.” It is part of the agreement that they came to: he gets his money, they get his playing basketball or whatever they can trade those rights for. Jackson knew this going in to the negotiations. I highly doubt he was misled on the subject; nobody has said anything publicly about a no-trade clause.

I’m not trying to defend management; the extension should not have been done. Both sides would be in a better position right now – considering their current priorities – if it hadn’t, except that Jackson wouldn’t have his money and probably would not get anything close to it in the current economic climate. That’s kind of my point though – Jackson made a decision to get his money rather than look for a better team. Yeah, the situation has changed a bit since he made that call, but he still has the guarantee he’ll get paid and the obligations that come with it. Its time for him to be an honest man and fulfill those obligations. It is time for him to step up and help make the Warriors the type of team he wants to play for. I’m sure he realizes this and will do so.

by toddaverth on Sep 18, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

help make the Warriors the type of team he wants to play for

I realize it is hard for anybody either within or outside the Warriors organization to believe that this is possible considering the mess that has been the Warriors front office since Nelson-Weber (I give Mullin credit, but even that works against the front office because Rowell cut him off.) But, if it is ever going to turn around it will be because people within the organization (whether they are currently in it or come to it through, say, purchasing the team) decide to make it turn around. It takes leaders to succeed. It takes people who recognize problems and step up to fix them, rather than just complaining, blaming others, or turning and running.

 Now, if Cohan and Rowell don’t want to win or are too ignorant and proud to figure out how, if they can’t learn to enable their team to succeed and then share the credit when they do, if the situation is just so toxic that you can’t have faith any more then I can understand wanting to get out at all costs. It is just that Jackson is a little late coming to that conclusion. He signed a deal that said he’d be here and be part of the solution for the next 4 years. If he really wants to get out, let him negotiate a cheap buyout. Otherwise, its time to step up and win.

by toddaverth on Sep 18, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for leadership, what exactly are your expectations of Jack? I have problems with the way he argues with refs and doesn’t always give a consistent effort on D. I’m just unsure how him wanting to play for a championship contender really relates to leadership and the leadership expectations people have of Jack at all.

“A leader shows the right way by going first” is a concept a teacher of mine taught me. I think he attributed it to Gothe. Jackson is a captain of the team. He was extended, at least in part, for his leadership roles. As such, I expect him to show the Warriors “the right way” to play NBA basketball. To an extent he has done this: he worked hard, didn’t give up, played with confidence, took responsibility for winning rather than just conceding failure, and tried to enable his teammates to do well. Unfortunately, he also shows a rather poor example in some respects: arguing with refs, not having faith in team mates, being unable or unwilling to see his own faults, making ill-advised choices, “gettin’ paid” and than looking to get out of town. His most recent comments indicate that the best way to win a championship is not to make yourself and the team you are on better, but to latch on to a team with better players. It is giving up. It is giving in. It is a lack of faith. It is understandable and human; it is not leadership and is not what we’ve come to expect from Stephen Jackson over the last few years.

by toddaverth on Sep 17, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of your points are good. I just don’t see what this particular situation has to do with leadership, or how they demonstrate a lackthereof.

His most recent comments indicate that the best way to win a championship is not to make yourself and the team you are on better, but to latch on to a team with better players. It is giving up. It is giving in. It is a lack of faith.

Ok, I’ll go along with this. The thing is…he’s right. He’s much more likely to win a championship by going to a different team that’s currently a contender. He’s not the kind of player that will make the Warriors a championship team, and we currently don’t have anyone good enough to do that, so to accomplish that goal, he does have to get traded. Basketball is simply a business and he’s treating it like one – I don’t see how this situation is “bad leadership”. As far as I can see this is a business/personal decision and doesn’t have anything to do with leadership one way or another.

by Missing Barry on Sep 17, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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When you start thinking about personal goals rather than team goals, than that has something to do with leadership (or rather lack of it).

by bObaBaLLa on Sep 17, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he had an agent, he would have made a public retraction within 24 hours. But, he saved the 4% and now he gets to pay $25k.

  Haha, then he came out ahead. 4% of his salary is way more than 25K.
   Sometimes things need to be said, like Kanya West, this video sucks! and LilMama mocking Jay-Z , you go girl!

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 15, 2009 10:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Someone better interview him soon because us warriors fans want to know what’s really going on! But I doubt it’s going to happen because he has no agent to tell him what to say.

by bojangles408 on Sep 16, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

cannot argue with the those

who possess a command of the obvious.

"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Sep 16, 2009 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jack is a traitor

check out my video on FanShots about this. Jack is totally gonna get the Al Harrington treatment from us.

by thebeatlephil97 on Sep 18, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I suppose that’s marginally better than the Adriana La Cerva treatment…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 18, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

The thing that makes this more personal is that I felt I went out on a limb last year on this and other message boards defending the indefensible, Jack’s early extension. The ONLY argument that stood up then, IMO, was that a show of good faith toward Jack would help his leadership of a young team. The Warriors made a move based on faith alone, and took a lot of grief for it. That faith was placed in Jackson. Rowell should have known better. I should have known better than to have supported it. We were like the tourist walking downtown with a fat wad of cash half sticking out a bulging back pocket. When it is lifted you can ridicule the fool, but you don’t forgive the thief.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Sep 18, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about

we still trade him

"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits

by FriscoJoe on Sep 21, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS ISNT THE CUBS OR CHICAGO

lol i hope ther wont be lik a milton bradley effect wher neither sides want the other n we get shitty play from him for it… and having him throw the rock into the stands like bradley wouldnt help either haha jk

by slackersphere17 on Sep 23, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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