Questions, Questions Questions... Round 2!
by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 20, 2009 12:26 AM PDT
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Ok....so this coming week I along with some others will be sitting listening to and asking questions of Larry Riley and Robert Rowell in person...
I can see another late night 3 hour review coming on again..... ;)
So, I have a few questions in mind already, but wanted to get some questions from you guys to understand some of the key concerns the GSOM fanbase has for the coming season and WHAT the FO intends to do about it...
The one thing that "I Believe" is that we are already seeing the promotions starting with the first four games of the season in the lower level for $70!... This alone is extremely telling about the quantum drop in ticket sales, especially in light of more and more stories of season tickets holders who have signed up for this year, considering their options to know get out of their tickets now before they may be worth less than half face value come January...
While some in the FO seem to be painting a bright picture....the storm clouds are gathering.....was that Thunder I just heard... oh no wait...our FO dumped his poor backside in China..
The question most want to know in my personal opinion is "what is the gameplan?" WHERE IS THIS BALL CLUB GOING??? is 2010/2011 the big season for GSW?...is this year about bringing in some vets to help raise our rookies game and "hope" to reach the playoffs with a committment to use the expiring contracts and if need be SPEND MONEY to bring a couple of big names to the bay area to complement our seasoned young guns then and thus have a potential championship team for the 2010/2011 Season???
If 2010/2011 is going to be the big year.....IS this going to be the season where GSW completely changes it's image? New logo's, etc etc.?
Another question may be.... "Do we actually want a player taking a slot in the team, who has stated he does not want to BE in the team?" Bench him? Trade him? Or simply kick his backside and tell him to get on with what he is paid to do?
The one thing I have accused this FO of most, is the cloak and dagger, smoke and mirrors crap, that goes on. It is time for some refreshing honesty....and no Robert....that does not mean telling your STH's they got screwed, I trust you now have a screen saver that flashes up "Do not tell season ticket holders they got screwed, it does not help next years sales..."
The one thing they have responded to and I applaud them for this, is increasing the website interaction with it's fanbase...HOWEVER....the marketing department is still falling WOEFULLY short.....
There seems to be distinct lack of understanding about what STH's want.... This could be easily solved, and yet the people who clearly do not have the talent in their current positions of marketing, clearly dont know what this is and so they look to pick bits of data from fans, which they probably then pass off as their own in FO meetings as a great new idea. CUT THE CRAP.... create a STH "council" for want of a better word....allow this group to meet with the FO once a month and allow them to put forward ideas and solutions to the marketing department and or the FO...in short...build a bridge between the fans and the FO that is not TAINTED by journalistic motives.
So...there is much to hear.....much to discuss....throw me your thoughts below and I will try to formulate another review of the session covering the key areas of interest that YOU want to hear about....
Rgds
Brit
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Can we expect a post with responses? This should be fun. Could you ask what their intentions are with our newly acquired trade chips(law, claxton, etc.)? Will they be moved, will they expire? Maybe ask if they’re reluctant to deal with dallas because of past ties(Nellie) and ask about how dallas is looking for a 2-1 trade?
re: expirings
Is there a plan with them? And is there a time line? Will we see a move before season starts (That could get more season tix sold), or are they going to hold out for “the best deal”.
How confident are they with Ellis playing point? (expect spin on this).
Is there anyone besides AR that is considered untradeable? (This is really low on the list as were so bad any trade to improve would be refreshing).
Thanks Brit and am looking forward to the post game report.
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And if they do expire...
Who are we hoping to sign? LEBRON! Who would be the top targets?
Also:
Where do they see our biggest weakness to be at? SF? C? PG? If we did make a big time move, what position can we expect the move to effect, where will we upgrade?
Curry:
Will he play?
How often can expect to see ellis and curry play side by side. Or should we expect more of an either or type thing? Is the organization pleased with his work ethic(meaning are we gonna see any excuses for why he isnt playing, like AR4 this past year)?
What are they hoping to see out of him in training camp? What does he need to do to earn a starting nod?
Here are a few questions that you might consider asking:
Stephen Jackson:
- When did you know that he wanted out of the Warriors?
- Were you as mad as Hitler when you found out?
- What will you do with him if the fans continually boo him whenever he’s on the floor?
- If you were to trade him, what kind of player(s) are you looking to get in return?
Monta Ellis:
- Since the birth of his child, have you sensed any more maturity in him?
- What type of leadership skills have you seen out of him?
- Has he communicated with any of the other players during the summer?
CJ Watson:
- Why were you so interested in CJ Watson?
Other:
- With Jackson not wanting to be here, whom do you label as the cornerstones of the Warriors?
- Who makes the decisions on what player to sign, how big a contract is, etc? Is it Rowell, or Riley, or both?
- It’s been a quiet summer. What kinds of trades were available to you during the summer?
- What kinds of things have you done to entice free agents to consider coming to the Warriors?
It is time for some refreshing honesty....
[Riley going all code-red on your little Q&A:] Truth?! You CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH! after which he proceeds to tell us that without him and Rowell on the wall defending our honor we’d have nothing, and be over-run, and we should damn well appreciate the fine job they’re doing and stay the hell out of the way. YOU WANT ANSWERS?! They’ll give you answers …
Er....
Been sitting in the sun too long? I’m a big boy and if Riley goes code red… well…lets just say the review will be even more interesting…. ;)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 20, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
What
Was the reason behind the Marco Bellini trade?
Did you know that Jackson wanted out after the Marco trade?
If you knew before would you have still made that move?
I have a feeling
that Morrow’s production made Belinelli expendable in their eyes. And let’s face it, Morrow is more of a Nellie guy than Marco ever was.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Belli doesn't fit in the NBA
He had some nice games when he started for a few weeks because he was hustling more than he ever had in whole life…and probably more than he ever will again.
Yes he has the quick trigger and ability to hit fade aways from 25ft….but he also can brick 8 wide open jumpers in a row with regularity.
He’s a great Euro league player, but at best a 12 minute/game NBA player on a weak team.
Devean George is just an expiring contract. Belli really couldn’t return anything of value other than that.
Morrow also needs 20-25 min/game freed up for him. He IS consistent.
by joegiant on Sep 21, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Size
We were able to swap expiring contracts and gain two things we are looking for: Size,and experience. And in the process we freed up time for some of our more promising rising stars(Ellis, Curry, and morrow).
Size,and experience.
Which really doesn’t mean a lot when you’re talking about one of the four or five most awful basketball players in the NBA. Nate Thurmond has more size and experience than Devean George, and would probably only be marginally less productive. (And he makes a mean BBQ).
The deal makes sense for only two reasons: (1) it adds another nice expiring contract to the pile, enhancing our ability to wheel-and-deal when the opportunity presents itself; and (2) as you point out, it’s a nice vote of confidence in the abilities of Morrow and Curry. That’s plenty for me, though if George ever sees meaningful playing time, I will have to revise my opinion of the deal drastically downward.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 21, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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Yes, Marco’s deal’s was expiring as well, but — as I recall from jae’s diary — making it an expiring would have required promptly exercising a team opt-out, which would have been a rather pointless and mean vote of no confidence in the young man. (And if we had any confidence in him, we would have picked up the option, thereby losing a couple million bucks of flexibility). Which reminds me of a third reason to like the deal: it gave Marco a fighting chance to make a nice little career for himself alongside his compatriot Bargnani in an interesting and fun city loaded with ethnic Italians. Win-win-win basically … unless both Curry and Morrow totally wash out, which seems very, very unlikely.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 21, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
excellent points
And i agree wholeheartedly. The only reason the size is an added bonus is because it is something we lack, and there is a school of thought that it is better to gain size in a trade, rather than lose it. In other words, you dont trade big for small, no matter how talented that small may be. But i guess that this is also assuming we are talking about relevant players that will actually make an impact on their team.
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…just encourage them to make decisions that move us toward a Championship team. Don’t try to placate us with teams that barely have a chance to make the playoffs at the expense of the development of a team that could have Championship potential in a few years.
In other words, develop the youth and don’t sign any expensive vet unless the addition of that vet immediately pushes the Warriors into contention – or its an expiring contract.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
I’d ask them something along the lines of:
1. With all the controversy surrounding the team the past 2 years, why should Warrior fans be optimistic for next season?
2. Don Nelson should be a Hall of Fame coach, he has the credentials, but is his style of coaching, alienation of certain players, as well as allowing some of his regulars a longer leash (Jackson) the best approach for this young team?
3. How likely is it that you will revisit trade talks at the deadline? Will you be a player with many assets such as expiring contracts and young players?
4. How can you see the Warriors transforming their image as a frugal cost-cutting franchise, yet hand out so many questionable/controversial contracts to solid-yet-not-spectacular players?
5. Can you give us any new information on Brandan Wright’s offseason? We’ve heard he’s added weight and played a lot of basketball at Chapel Hill. What will his role be this year? Is he the clear cut back up to Randolph? Will he receive more minutes than last year seeing as how he was highly productive before getting injured?
6. Any new news on new jerseys? I must admit I feel like puking every time I see our orange jerseys. Worst jerseys in the franchise in my opinion.
Sorry for so many double-barreled questions, they were just strung off the top of my head.
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When will the recap be, i'm excited. Ask them this
1 Who are the players that you are trying to build around
2 This team is very athletic and talented. Will we see more traditional lineups this year insted of small ball all the time
3 What is the goal for training camp and the season
4 Talk alittle about the young guys on the team(Wright, Morrow, Randolph, Andris, Monta, Curry)and how you see them developing over the next couple years.
5 Ask them if they know how the fans feel about our team and if they are making moves to become a contender while not sacrificing our youth
6 Is Randolph the one guy you want trade or are there others
7 An update on changing or image(Jerseys, Logo ect)
Can’t wait to read your recap and i hope atleast some of my questions are answered.
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I'm not a STH
so I have a question for you. Have these Q&As happened in years past? Do these things ever happen in other sports? I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything like this coming from say the Giants or 49ers about Barry Bonds or trading away Joe Montana.
It just seems weird that a team would care to listen to its fans…
There seems to be distinct lack of understanding about what STH’s want
I don’t know how there can be a misunderstanding. People pay to see their team win. It’s that simple.
A lot of these questions are specific and I don’t see why Riley would discuss them, or even why it would be in the Warriors best interest to discuss them. For instance:
“Do we actually want a player taking a slot in the team, who has stated he does not want to BE in the team?”
How does telling the season tickets holders what the plan with Jack is do anything other than make the situation worse. If word gets out we’re selling on Jack, his trade value falls. If Riley says something direct about it, maybe the situation gets worse (this tends to happen when people talk about situations to the media/public rather than dealing with it in house).
From other posters:
“Who are we hoping to sign? LEBRON! Who would be the top targets?”
I don’t see how letting other teams in on your plans does anything but hurt the situation.
Well, that’s all the specifics I care to use as examples, my point is, if you’re really trying to come up with good questions, think about it from the other side. What would the Warriors gain, or what reason would they have, to answer the question? The point of talking to STH’s is to keep them interested and in the loop so they continue to buy tickets, so questions you ask have to give them a chance to accomplish that with their answers…
by Missing Barry on Sep 21, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is what the vast majority of the general public fails to realize:
What would the Warriors gain, or what reason would they have, to answer the question?
Duh, nothing.
Very well said.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 21, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
word.
it’s their job to deflect any question that casts the organization in a negative light.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Sep 21, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m offering this advice just to help people come up with good questions that will give them some info. What good does having a question deflected do? We don’t learn anything from that…
by Missing Barry on Sep 21, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Barry...
This will probably be just like the session we had where I did a review and some interesting things came to light. If you dont think any point comesof this….DONT READ IT!
as to Dubs fan in Boston…. pretty standard fare from him…
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by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying there isn’t a point to this, in fact I think I’ve been participating to try to help improve this (you may not think I am improving the process, that’s fine, but do you not at least see the intent)?
What kinds of interesting things came to light? Wasn’t it stuff like "we’re looking to add some more beef and such? All I’m really saying is they aren’t going to discuss specific players they’re targetting or such, but they may give us some insights into general strategies, so I think questions should be tailored to get them to discuss things they’re willing to discuss, to make the whole process more productive.
by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
they may give us some insights into general strategies
I’m rather doubtful of that. It’d give a negotiating edge to other teams in trade talks, players & their agents in free agency discussions, etc.
On Bimbo’s point. Their deflections only cast the team in a negative light because the team is losing. If they were winning (like Belichick’s Pats in the mid 2000s), people would say the deflection was “a way to stay ahead of the opponents” and they’d like it. The FO’s job is to target players and put together a winning team, not to broadcast to their competitors what they’re doing/planning to do through the media.
Thanks Brit, glad you still love me.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 23, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The whole thing is just a marketing gimmick
Don’t expect to get any useful info out of them… unless they’re complete idiots.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 23, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Not what Barry was saying...
Barry is just suggesting we focus the questions on those things we would want answered publicly – so that the team CAN answer them. I am sure he, like the rest of us, appreciates the write up you did previously and the work you are doing now.
no problem at all... will try to get the best answers I can...
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by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 23, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Diplomacy!
What I believe Brit is saying is that by carefully parsing their language during this open press conference, the front office will let drop certain morsels that are meant to act upon their fans in certain ways. These fans are one of the many masters they must please, and cannot ignore. As diplomats choose words to indicate certain directions and intentions, while allowing themselves plausible deniability and all the rest, an NBA front office must also choose words with the precision of haiku poets. Fortunately for us, these business/athlete types aren’t nearly disciplined enough for their performances to come off perfectly. It is their gaffes and their internal contradictions and their impatience that shine lights on the inner workings of the organization. It’s all we get in the off-season.
So ask them questions that operate within that framework, so that they can practice their semiotics and let us know with certain keywords that Monta isn’t ever going to be a classic point guard or what have you. This isn’t marketing on the level of Starbucks or Best Buy, it’s diplomacy like the Middle East Peace Process.
by whoarethewarriors on Sep 23, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s diplomacy like the Middle East Peace Process.
you mean totally fvcked up?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 23, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well this is another specific question
maybe you guys could help me craft it better.
What are your intentions in postponing the NJ pick? Why did we postpone sending them their due lottery picks? There is clearly a plan behind this move, and we should try and find out what that is. So how do we craft the question so that it allows them to tell us something without hurting themselves.
They’re not going to tell us what their plan is, but if you ask more a more general question, you might get some info. What are the possible benefits of postponing the draft picks? Does it give us extra flexibility to trade draft picks? Something like that – not specifically what their plan is, but something that would give us a general idea of what could happen without forcing them to reveal their exact plan.
by Missing Barry on Sep 21, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
could we ask...
Maybe if there are any specific players that we might be drafting next summer assuming they enter the draft?
OR if we know of other teams that are looking to accumulate draft picks? OR other teams that have their eyes set on someone? I know its early to have any idea about next years draft, but this way we get them to discuss the pick, and maybe give us something.
I wouldn’t see them targeting specific players at this point, it’s way too early for that and there’s a whole year’s worth of basketball to be played first, but maybe they’d be inclined to talk about those other questions? I dunno.
by Missing Barry on Sep 21, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
hmm.
Well do you think the draft picks are worth asking about? How would you suggest we get them to talk about it?
Or do we even want them to say anything? As previously discussed its probably best they dont comment on it, for the sake or leverage in trading.
I think it’d be nice to get a sense of what reasons they saw to do it. If we got them to talk about what potential benefits there were that lead us to make the trade that doesn’t really get into any specifics that would cause serious rumors or damage their trading leverage. “What was the reasoning behind trading the draft picks?” “What potential opportunities does the trading draft picks with New Jersey open up for us?” I know I’d be curious to know what the thought process for that was.
by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally
I think that is the best way to go at this. Ask what are the potential opportunities from postponing the draft picks? That way they can actually mislead the public a little if they wanted to. Drop hints towards not not trading them, that way they seem of higher value to the warriors, and are higher value in trades.
These are a few questions I would ask.
Why hasn’t Jackson made a statement? Or what has Jackson said?
At any point this off season (prior to his public comments) did you inform Jackson that he may be getting traded?
How is keeping Jackson a team captain after his trade demand any different from the Al Harrington situation?
Will Jackson remain the floor leader or is he going to be taking a backseat to others (Monta and Curry namely)?
You (Rowell) previously stated that you have a 3 year window in which to reach the playoffs or it is “Bye Bye” Rowell and Riley. In that light the deferral of trading the first round pick for 2 seconds until 2012 seems a bit self serving. Can we have a personal guarantee that by 2012 this team will consistently be in the playoffs and not marketed as rebuilding project or youth movement? One year to ensure your job security is not enough. Is that clear?
Late in the season and immediately following it the team made a commitment to being more involved with the online community (Facebook, CJ watch, etc.). At what point are the fans going to see a means of accountability in the front office?
If Jackson doesn’t back down on his trade demand then will the team reduce his role on the court?
The product on the court does not make me forget about the high beer prices. (Sorry that is a statement)
Ask him why it took so long for him to get back to you when he was out doing season ticket holder conferences in phone and in person?
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
Excellent questions...
i think all of these should be asked. Especially the beer statement.
Especially the beer statement.
yeah, tell him we want Pliny the Elder for $2 a bottle.
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Somewhere in San Francisco
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 22, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps a little Pabst Blue Ribbon!
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Sep 22, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade for Amare Stoudemire
If the Golden State Warriors could get Stoudemire for Maggette and Acie Law plus an increase in payroll to $67.9 million, would we do it? It would cost us Jackson and Turiaf also, but we would get Ronnie Brewer and Kosta Koufos in return. Phoenix would get Carlos Boozer and Turiaf. Utah would get Jackson, Maggette, and Law. Golden State would get Stoudemire and, Goran Dragic from Phoenix, then Brewer, Koufos, and Kyle Korver from Utah. Utah and Phoenix save some Luxury Tax and GSW get the power forward we need.
the power forward we need.
That actually may be the position we least need, after shooting guard.
What we could use is a young, proven star at any position, and Amare pretty much fits that bill. Of course, you have to give to get in the NBA; and that trade you’ve proposed involves the Warriors getting a ton and giving very little. Utah in particular gets totally hosed in that exchange.
More importantly: why you think the Warriors’ FO would be inclined to weigh in one way or the other on unrealistic hypothetical trades?
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
OK questions set....
Heading off shortly… will hope to get the review up later tonight…!
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Great!!!
I hope 1 of my ? gets answered
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Randolph-22pts,11rbs,3ast, 2blk
Morrow-18pts,5rbs,2ast,48 3pt%
Can't wait until GS make it to the PLAYOFFS!!
Living 4 a GSW Championship!!!
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by IQofaWarrior on Sep 23, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be funnier to hide it in a big cowboy hat assuming you have an English accent of some sort. Keep calling Rowell “pardner” too.
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