Polling GSoM: Should the Warriors pick up Brandan Wright's 4th year option?
One story line that has gone relatively under the radar in Dubs Land is that the Warriors have yet to pick up Brandan Wright's 4th year rookie option. The team has until October 31st to make their decision, but I"m little surprised that they haven't made a decision already. Is there really anything in training camp or the preseason that is going to change their mind? I guess you can't fault them for playing it safe, but it'd be nice to send a clear message roughly a month before the season that a) they have faith in him or b) he better make big improvements in his game or he should start packing his bags like Patrick O'Bryant.
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Over at NBA.com John Schuhmann takes a look at some names from the 2007 NBA Draft who are running out of time to develop and Wright unsurprisingly made the list:
It wasn't too hard to see this coming. As a freshman with length and athleticism, but one who was inconsistent and not nearly the best player on his college team, Wright was drafted for potential. Two years later, it has yet to be realized. Worse yet, we've seen the same things at Golden State that we saw at North Carolina.
Injuries were an issue last season, but so were inconsistency and the whims of Warriors coach Don Nelson. Of course, the Warriors also have a slew of players that do the same things that Wright can do, only better -- such as rising second-year forward Anthony Randolph.
It's very possible that the Warriors won't pick up Wright's fourth-year option by Oct. 31, making him an unrestricted free agent next summer. A change of scenery might not be a bad solution for the forward who doesn't turn 22 for another two months.
Earlier this offseason we discussed this in Brandan Wright and Marco Belinelli: To Renew or Not to Renew. The Warriors obviously didn't renew Marco Belinelli, instead electing to ship him out the country, so that's a non-issue.
One down, one to go?
Here's my unchanged thoughts on Wright and the renewal:
Brandan Wright: Picking up Wright's 4th year option seems like a no-brainer to me. He is an extremely talented, big man with Inspector Gadget like wingspan. He's still only 21 too, so I doubt we've seen his peak. Current Warrior double-double machine Andris Biedrins was a complete disaster his first 2 seasons in the league. Wright has been bad, but not nearly as bad as Biedrins was and Biedrins definitely blossomed. Wright is far more naturally hoops talented and physically gifted than Biedrins, so maybe there's hope for Wright too in year 3 and beyond.
Wright has shown very little of the right stuff in his first 2 seasons.
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Reality is the problem though. Wright has been injury-prone, absolutely lost on defense, and has shown less fire than a cigarette lighter. There are some huge physical red flags: he's a 6'9 "big man" who still weighs about 20 pounds less than the shooting guard the Warriors foolishly traded him for and his body looks very, very brittle. Additionally, there are some huge mental red flags: he doesn't seem all that prepared or cognizant of what the Dubs are trying to run on offense and his man-to-man defensive instincts and positioning are very, very poor.
As an aside, I must admit I do feel bad for him. All signs and indications point to the Warriors never really wanting Wright. He was (most likely) a mistaken selection for the Minnesota Timberwolves (way to work the phones Chris Mullin). Then he was (most likely) part of a failed attempt to land Kevin Garnett, before old green buddies Danny Ainge and Kevin McHale decided collusion was the best way to hook up their alma matter with another banner. Just recently Wright was part of a failed attempt to land Amare Stoudemire. Since day 1 the Warriors have been trying to ship off Wright. I don't doubt for a second that this has dramatically hurt his psyche.
I'd say: Pick up for year 4.
Brandan Wright: To Renew or Not to Renew? That is the question.
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Should the Warriors pick up Brandan Wright's 4th year option?
What would be the contract price? Could we get something better for the money?? Would Wright’s trade value be higher than our costs to keep him???
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions
What would be the contract price?
$3, 398,071
Could we get something better for the money??
Dollar for dollar unless it’s a rookie I doubt it although I will note that Kelenna Azubuike is making ~$3 million. My fav and your fav Anthony Morrow makes $736, 420 too. (See Warriors salaries on HoopsHype)
It might be the case that in this economy Wright has more value in a trade package as an expiring contract, but I could go either way on that.
Would Wright’s trade value be higher than our costs to keep him???
Andris Biedrins + Brandan Wright + expirings for Amare Stoudemire. Let’s do it already!
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by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 25, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Andris Biedrins + Brandan Wright + expirings for Amare Stoudemire. Let’s do it already!
Haha, OK but who would play center? Rony can’t play the whole game.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The new guy from Phoenix who weighs more and is much stronger than the Warriors current center can play C.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 25, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you think the HONEST percentages are Amare would re-sign with us?
Considering next offseason, NYC, NYJ (with devin harris and 30 mil in cap room), chicago bulls, Detroit, and Miami (most intriguing… massive cap room and Dwade) come calling. Bosh will probably be teams #1 option cause of age, but amare will be the consolation prize.
I say slim to none. And we’ve just given away a 23 year old productive NBA center who is a double double machine under a long term contract for a 1 year rental to make a run at the 8 seed? Pass.
Now if amare signs extension before the trade, then that’s another thing….
I'd still be hesitant though, because.......
No matter how much more talented Amare is than Biedrins. The prospect of Biedrins and Randolph front court for a decade is mouth watering. and While Amare will make us better now, in 3 years when Randolph could be an all-star PF, we’ll have a declining pf playing center. I dunno, its not so simple IMO
Even if it’s 0% I’d still do it. The Warriors make the playoffs once every 15 years under Cohan. This would be their best shot at twice in 4 years. That’s spectacular. You wouldn’t hear about Jackson’s trade demands either. It solves a lot of problems and gives Nellie a very interesting team.
I seriously doubt Amare bolts if the Warriors had his Bird rights though. He’d be losing a lot of guaranteed money to depart via free agency. That just doesn’t happen in the NBA. There’s very little precedent. No matter how much “massive cap room” a team creates a player’s current team always has the advantage in retaining them- they can almost always pay them more than any other squad. There’s a reason CWebb never bolted tiny market Sacrapmento for brighter city lights.
LeBron James is the exception because he’s after marketing dollars in the Big Apple. I don’t think that really applies to Amare. He’s probably down the list on NY’s free agent targets.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 25, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Good points but...
It should be noted Miami, Chicago and Detroit are still more attractive cause of chance to win.
-Miami cause obviously if you team an all star big with DWade and any sort of decent role players they are automatically a championship contender.
-Chicago is an exciting young team, with great history and a fun city.
-Detroit has a reputation of a winner as well cause of dumars. Even if its far from the case, and we all know the Warriors reputation, MESS.
The Cwebb comparison is moot because at the time they were the best team in NBA (and the ref’s did screw them). Players rarely leave contenders. Players do leave 8th place teams.
Finally and most concerning, I don’t think the Warriors (under Cohan) would give him Max money. They’ll try and nickel and dime him, then match another teams offer and piss him off. As usual they’ll spin it ‘risk over injury’ and claim he wanted to leave. If we could keep him though, like I said I’d probably say yes.
Miami is undoubtedly as good as you say. Shoot, I’d love to live and work there. Wade + anyone ain’t no joke.
Chicago will all depend on whether Rose can take that next big leap.
Detroit is about to be a very unattractive destination. Those long term lucrative deals for Villanueva and Gordon were a joke and Detroit/ Michigan is one of the worst places to live in this country.
The fact remains that Amare would be taking a pretty substantial pay cut to bolt and play anywhere else. Why leave Nellieball too when it’s perfect for a big man with his game and fondness for running and scoring?
The Cwebb comparison is moot because at the time they were the best team in NBA (and the ref’s did screw them). Players rarely leave contenders. Players do leave 8th place teams.
If memory serves correctly CWebb re-upped right after the Kings got swept in the second round pretty badly by the Lakers. It was a year before that infamous reffing in the Western Conference Finals. The Kings didn’t have much of a claim to being the best team in the league at that point.
Finally and most concerning, I don’t think the Warriors (under Cohan) would give him Max money. They’ll try and nickel and dime him, then match another teams offer and piss him off. As usual they’ll spin it ‘risk over injury’ and claim he wanted to leave.
That’s an astute observation and surely a cause for concern. Cohan does not exactly have the “green thumb”.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 25, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Shoot, I’d love to live and work there.
It’s hot, sticky ,trashy, and nasty there, just not worth living there to be able to watch a real NBA team. We might have one of the worst teams in the league but we definitely have the best weather and people.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Sidenote: unless lebron moves
I’ll be shocked if Bosh doesn’t go to Miami…. and if not Bosh Amare or Boozer definately. I’d like to see it happen. DWade is likeable. Prefer them win championships than lakers, celtics, spurs etc. (cause god knows we won’t anytime soon)
That is crazy talk. The reasoning is, we’ve sucked in the past, so let’s make a huge gamble, win one year (if we’re lucky) and suck for years more. How about we just build gradually like smart teams do and forget about losing? In that circumstance, Amar’e would not even have time to gel with the team, plays to get his own stats instead of win, doesn’t play good defense and may not even be healthy. For ONE year, we have a chance to MAYBE improve. If he doesn’t sign long term, that is a galactically foolish move. Insane.
I’m not even sure it’s a good idea, if we did a sign and trade. It’s an absolutely crazy idea, if he only signs for one year. We would again be a laughing stock. Right now, people are at least excited about us and for good reason.
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If he didn’t resign, we would have enough cap space to go for bosh.
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And you think Bosh would sign here … why?
It’s hard to believe anyone would sincerely want to trade Biedrins + Wright for a year’s rental of a third-tier NBA star, coming off a summer of recovering from major eye surgery. It’s not so different from wanting just to cut AB and BW — which might make some sense if they weren’t both very young and very productive NBA players, at positions that are notoriously difficult to fill.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
How about we just build gradually like smart teams do and forget about losing?
I don’t think most teams to build gradually. Most get better players and improve quite a bit, then build gradually from the standpoint of not sucking.
by jae on Sep 25, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
build gradually from the standpoint of not sucking.
Its also not entirely clear that the Warriors actually “suck.” Certainly last year was bad, very bad. But even then it was 29 wins, not 19. As you’ve said elsewhere losing Monta was probably worth 8 wins – which would have made it a 37 win season. If you can attribute any loses to injuries to Jackson, Maggette, Biedrins, etc. you are starting to get awfully close to a .500 season and the level that Jordan’s Bulls were after he showed up, from whence the Bulls started making those gradual improvements you’ve been talking about. That’s without taking in to account the Harrington debacle, the human inefficiency that is Jamal Crawford (at least for the Warriors last year,) the potential effects of the Mullin situation, Nelson’s rest-a-vet program, or any other factors that resulted from the coach’s early conclusion that last year was a lost year.
In that context, maybe trading multiple young, inexpensive, reasonably productive if limited big men under relatively long contracts for one very productive but also very flawed, recently injured (in multiple disconcerting ways,) very expensive and potentially ridiculously short contract hurts the team’s progress more than it helps.
by toddaverth on Sep 26, 2009 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fully Agree
What is the point in getting Amare for one year and losing Bedes for the next 5 years. I think that Andris is only going to get better and he may not have the offensive fire power of Amare but we are offensively stacked already with Randolph, Curry, Ellis, Morrow, Maggs. We need a sober Latvian to just gets some boards and maybe bulk up a little to play some D. Keep the Latvian King unless we get something obviously better in return.
by GSWDownUnder on Sep 26, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
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I just don’t see Randolph and Amare playing alongside each other. I would like to see AR at the 3 but he has grown to be 7’ tall, (still growing), and will fit better as a versatile 4. Plus Biedrins and Turiaf play the traditional center role better than Amare could. Other than Jax they are the best defenders on the team.
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Randolph can easily be a taller version of Shawn Marion
Granted he’s only 20, and Marion was in his mid/late 20s when that lineup was running all over the nba. Marion is no more athletic than Randolph, and of what We’ve seen Randolph can rebound at the same rate as Marion (big key). Marion was obviously alot thicker, but Randolph has length and should strengthen (though he might not ever be big).
Randolph, Amare is an ideal front court for nelly-ball because no 2 bigs can keep up with them in an uptempo game. Imagine us against Big Z and Shaq, lol. They may post us up, but they may bend over and pass out by halftime
Werd.
Amare cons:
1. Plays the same position as our franchise player.
2. Is coming off eye surgery, just now getting into playing shape.
3. Is coming off a down season.
4. Is reputed to be a bit of a whiner and a malcontent, with no real history of being a team leader, on or off court.
5. Is a poor defender who’d be joining a team with poor defense.
6. Is a ballhog / poor passer (nearly double the number of turnovers as assists, career) joining a team with lots of offensive firepower and no legit PG.
7. Is a Mediocre rebounder joining a poor-rebounding team that will have just lost its best rebounder.
8. Has said that he doesn’t want to play here.
9. If he does deign to play here, won’t likely accept a “friendly discount.” We’d basically be locked into him as the franchise for the forseeable future.
Amare pros:
1. Fantastic offensive player.
On topic: I agree with AB1 that it seems like a no-brainer to pick up Wright’s 4th year option. I’d actually love them to be a little pro-active and see if they can’t “buy low” and forgo the 4th year option and 5th year Q.O. by inking him to reasonable 3-5 year deal.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amare pros:
1. Fantastic offensive player.
2. Best player in the hypothetical trades.
How often has a trade for a superstar in his prime backfired?
How often has the team giving up the greater number of players regretted it?
The contract situation would be what decides it for me. Without an extension, I wouldn’t take the one-year gamble, but otherwise, he’s worth it. I don’t worry about his poor passing since when he touches the ball, he scores at a rate better than nearly anyone else in the game.
Jae willing to trade biedrins?
frustration has truly set in in warrior-land
I said as much when the Stoudemire discussion first came up. I was on the fence leaning against, until I bothered to try to write up my pro and con and then came out marginally for trading.
I don’t want to give up Biedrins, but trades are almost always about the best players involved with anyone else usually irrelevant in short order. The trade then is Biedrins vs. Stoudemire. At his best, Stoudemire is better than Biedrins, though I do think that it’s closer than many thing if Nellie wasn’t as gung-ho about overwhelming the opponents with offense.
2. Best player in the hypothetical trades.
That too.
How often has a trade for a superstar in his prime backfired?
I question the characterization of Amare as “superstar” — at least without the qualification “offensive.” Obviously I’d have no issue with flipping anyone on our team for LeBron, CP3, Howard, or Wade. And I’d gladly flip anyone (probably even AR) for the next tier after that: say, Roy, Deron, Gasol, Rose, heck throw Blake Griffin in this group. (I’m excluding Kobe, Duncan and Garnett from this hypothetical beause their age complicates the question a bit). It’s the next tier — the Carmelos and Boozers and Amares of the world — that I’d seriously question hitching our team’s wagon to for the rest of eternity. It really has less to do with whom we’re giving than whom we’re getting.
How often has the team giving up the greater number of players regretted it?
Depends what you mean by “regret.” I certainly wouldn’t hang myself in my padded cell over the loss Biedrins and Wright. I don’t think the deal would “backfire” like an exploding cigar. But I do have a sneaky feeling that soon after the deal — maybe not immediately, but by and by — I’d grow to dislike Amare’s game. I just think it’s too similar to Jefferson’s and not similar enough enough to Garnett’s. I can’t really imagine learning to love him, unless he somehow got us close to a championship, which seems totally implausible anytime soon … unless of course Randolph becomes a true franchise player, in which case we’re basically golden either way.
I don’t worry about his poor passing since when he touches the ball, he scores at a rate better than nearly anyone else in the game.
I do worry, when Randolph, Morrow, Curry, and Monta could all lose touches and opportunites to develop due to his ball-sucking black-hole presence. Maybe Amare’s upgrade in offensive efficiency over these guys offsets this (and offsets his indifferent rebounding and poor defense); maybe it doesn’t. At some level it’s just aesthetic. I grew up watching Magic’s Lakers and Bird’s Celtics — hating the former, loving the latter, but relishing every minute I got to watch them play. Amare to me represents the anthesis of the teamwork/UBUNTU that makes the game at its best so beautiful.
In sum: pass.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I just think it’s too similar to Jefferson’s and not similar enough enough to Garnett’s
I would just like to take this time to point out Jefferson, contrary to popular belief, is not a very good offensive player. I think there are better comparisons out there (Carlos Boozer maybe).
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
True. Jefferson’s the proverbial 20/10 guy, but his TS% is nowhere close to Amare’s (.604 to .538, career). And his defense is even more indifferent than Amare’s. Boozer is probably a better comp statistically, though he’s much less convincing as a "center’ (playing alongside AR).
I’d take Amare over either of these guys. I still don’t really want him.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And his defense is even more indifferent than Amare’s
i think this could be a very interesting debate. i’ve heard someone (simmons, i think) say that it looks like amare is drunk when he tries to defend and i’d agree with that assessment. he might not be as indifferent as jefferson, but i’d say he’s at least as bad.
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Really?
2. Best player in the hypothetical trades.
That’s like saying he’s the best turd in a bag full of over-hyped, over-paid doo doo. I would think you of all people would be the first to point out he’s only a good offensive player and not worth the max contract he will likely demand.
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If you could find statistics on super stars like Amar’e and how successful they proved to be, I’d be interested in the statistics more. I’m not all that interested in a generic label “superstar.” I’m interested in a winner. I’m not sure Amar’e is the key to being a big winner, especially coming off a bad year, not being healthy and being a bad defender.
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The statistic exists. It’s called “wins produced” and it’s rather reliable. In the past, Stoudemire has faired real well by it.
The worry is that the statistic seems to fail specifically for 2 types of players: #1, guards who are very good on ball defenders, under-rating them and #2, big men who are pathetic defenders but still manage to be adequate or better rebounders. Is Amar’e really that pathetic? Does he really give up gigantic nights to other bigs on a regular basis?
Yet by Wins Produced last season he wasn’t even Top 15 in the league at his position. (Alas, I can’t find his exact final numbers — would love to see them if you have them).
Dave Berri had some pretty damning things to say about the aptly-nicknamed STAT halfway through last season:
…his scoring has declined. This decline is caused by drop-offs in both shooting efficiency and shot attempts. Certainly the decline in scoring is part of the problem. Apparently, though, another big part of the problem is how Stoudemire has reacted to his declining point totals. The story people tell is that Stoudemire is motivated by his point production. When he gets as many chances to score as he likes, he’s motivated to rebound, block shots, and avoid turnovers. When he doesn’t score as much as he likes, these other aspects of the game get ignored.
Auerbach said that the Celtics represent a philosophy that in its simplest form maintains that victory belongs to the team. "Individual honors are nice, but no Celtic has ever gone out of his way to achieve them," he said. "We have never had the league’s top scorer. In fact, we won seven league championships without placing even one among the league’s top 10 scorers. Our pride was never rooted in statistics."
When I look at this quote I wonder what Auerbach would be saying to Stoudemire today. I can imagine much of it could not be printed in a family friendly forum. And I imagine, the same could be said to a number of other players who think scoring first (and winning and team somewhere down the list).
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m kinda with you on this. I have trouble being a fan of a selfish player. Even if he produces win, I still don’t like selfishness. I don’t see it as helping the people around him at all. If I’m going to be a fan of a team, I want the players that I like to get the credit.
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What are his wins produced is my question, then. Is he really a superstar by that measure?
If God dwells in all of us, like some people say he does, I sure hope he likes nachos, because that's what he's getting!
Last year he dropped off quite a bit because his rebounding stunk. Prior to that, he was just a shade under elite. His WP48 has been in the mid to high .2’s when he’s been health, save last season. Average is (by definition) .1. Anything over 0.2 is very good. Anything over 0.3 starts getting you to “build a champion around” space. Over 0.4 and your name is Lebron or Chris Paul.
Anything over 0.3 starts getting you to "build a champion around" space.
Biedrins last season: .316
(Or maybe .277 *)
I guess we can assume he falls under your category #2 of WP48 overachievers —
#2, big men who are pathetic defenders but still manage to be adequate or better rebounders.
— but still. He’s 23 and making $9M per year till he’s 27, non-escalating. I also wouldn’t call him a “pathetic” defender. More like average: good hands, quick feet, solid effort, just pretty poor at holding his position inside against most NBA centers. Still: seems like if you believe in WP, you gotta believe in AB, no?
*Curious about the discrepancy in the two numbers. Am I reading something wrong? Did you give them an updated algorithm to correct for good rebounders / poor defenders like Murphy?
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Randolph as much as the next delusional Warriors fan, but if he can’t play alongside a superstar of Amare’s caliber, then it’s time to ship out Randolph.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 25, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Blasphemy! Haha, J/k. I totally agree with everything you say when it comes to Amar’e to GSW.
Hope our management makes the move at some point for Amar’e, he is made for Nellie.
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by LostHawkGSW on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The new guy from Phoenix
I don’t think Amare wants to be someone’s center, and he’s a lot better when playing PF.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Amare wants to be someone’s center
He said in a recent interview (sorry having trouble retrieving it) that he’s fine with center since he’s stronger and ready to bang.
he’s a lot better when playing PF
His highest PPG came when he was playing center in 2004-2005 at 26 ppg
Winning teams with a clue make trades like this. Losing teams caught up in the vicious cycle of suckdom (excuses and fear of Amare bolting) don’t. Guess which category the Warriors are in?
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by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 25, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
His highest PPG came when he was playing center in 2004-2005 at 26 ppg
Well ok then. I’ve always thought of Amare as a mobile opportunist who likes to roam and score but if you think he can be homeboy in the paint I’ll be down. Just don’t get him hurt again :>)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
But when a bad thing is very likely to happen, and you can’t possibly control it, why put yourself in harms way? Granted, fear is not the right motivation. But we should still expect him to bolt, because he almost certainly will. He SAID he doesn’t want to be here.
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Is he really better when playing PF? His best seasons so far were when the Suns had a front line of Diaw, Marion and Stoudemire. Stoudemire was certainly the tallest, most equipped to play in the paint of that lot.
Is he really better when playing PF?
I think so. He’s got a good shot , a lot of range and is fast and mobile. He seems to be more at home when he’s moving around looking for opportunities instead of stuck in the paint playin sumo wrestler.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He pretty much said he didn't want to play center for Golden State.
Besides, he needs those knees to challenge shots on taller centers.
Stick a fork in this trade please (though for ticket sales it would not surprise me if it went through).
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by Nuck Chorris on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, without question
The only time when it’s appropriate for a team to decline options on players’ rookie deals is when said player is an absolute bust. Guys like Yaroslav Korolev, Rafael Araujo, and (GSW’s own!) Patrick O’Bryant merit such treatment. But Wright has put up solid numbers (6.2 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 0.8 blocks on 53.6% shooting) in limited minutes (13.8 per game), and he’s young enough (he’ll turn 22 next week) that he could still improve.
Bottom line, you don’t give up on a guy unless he’s a complete and total failure. Wright is far from that.
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Renew and don't trade!!
What’s the point of having a young solid team if you don’t keep all important pieces. It’s like Fitz said on KNBR: Start with making the playoffs consistently before you talk about the finals. Trading a key piece wright now for a short term question mark doesn’t necessarily fit in a cohesive long term plan.
BWright has the talent, length and potential to be a solid contributor, and at 3 mil he’s a bargain. Supposedly he has bulked up quite a bit, which was expected because of his shoulder, but if he has gained some weight he could hold his own down low. Definitely a solid backup to AR, and he’s a better on the ball defender.
Am I the only one excited to watch this roster play together? If he stays I see 8ppg, 6 boards and 1.5blocks. Yoga Dunk!!
Anthony Randoph for Most Improved Player
Ha ha. Will he blow fire, too?
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That would be an awesome post-dunk celebration.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say it depends on the extent of his shoulder injury. They may want to see him on the court in real competition to see how he holds up. If the reports are true and he is stronger and does not play scared of a reinjury then his stock will be high and they should without a doubt resign him. If he gets put on the IR again because of the shoulder or plays timid, then I would have pause and probably not resign him.
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Of course
Athletic Big men with his upside are hard to come by. Whats the alternative? Sign another Mikki Moore??
Can someone correct me but it’d just be picking up a 1 year option, so he’s still very tradeable and an interesting trade piece. Even if warriors management don’t see him as a player for the future, some team will like him thrown in a trade.
But not resigning him because of randolph is simply crazy.
Pick it up, ONLY!
If they are going to play him
Don't Get TOO excited about BWright "bulking up"
An Extra 20lbs over 7ft is not enough for him to “hold his ground” in the post.
he will always be slight of frame. in fact, i doubt he could even get fat if he tried.
I think he has EXTRA value as an expiring contract because he is young and has some skills. usually expirings are old/injured has beens.
He’s already built better than some centers. Also, he’s shorter, which gives him more stability. I am quite excited at the rate at which he’s gaining weight. It’s pretty impressive. No, I am not worried about his frame. It’s kinda like Garnett’s frame.
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Most one sided poll ever?
I think Rowell would have to knock Riley down with a sledgehammer to stop him from picking up the option.
Given the potential (existing or not), his still existing trade value, his age and our front court flatness there is no real reason not to pick up the option.
That said, I can ansolutly forsee a gasping Cohan after he gets the numbers of the season tickets sale, handing a large heavy hammer that is wielded with both hands to Rowell.
whoa, reply fail
I think the reply box should be a different shade of blue, so it differentiates a comment reply from a new command thread
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 25, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
argh
new comment, not new command. I suck today.
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 25, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
There is a good reason for not picking up the option until late October
If he is one of the trade chips, they have him until the end of October as either an expiring contract or a good young big who is locked up for a couple more years. Wright is a better trade chip with that dual value.
If they don’t trade him, they’ll pick up the option. It’s pretty close to a no-brainer, which means Cohan is uniquely qualified to approve it.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 25, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions
Pick it up
He has shown flashes of ability, and as a guy who is only 22 and supposedly has bulked up a bit in the offseason, he still could develop in to a good rotation player. Seeing as good big men are hard to find, it seems a waste to not pick up his option if he ends up having a break out year. If he doesn’t, I don’t see his last year really affecting their roster flexibility.
by Pearlsofwisdom on Sep 25, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions
"The team has until October 31st to make their decision, but I"m little surprised that they haven't made a decision already."
Hey guess what, they haven’t picked up Randolphs option yet either. This is normal, you look at the last 5-6 years however far you want to go back they don’t pick up options till later in October.
And yes you pick up the option. We knew going in he would take 2-3 years, give him another year.
+1
Options always seem to be undecided upon until mid-late october.
100% yes, Brandan’s option should be picked up. I fail to see any logical or sound reason why they wouldn’t pick it up. We have enough expiring contracts already, we need players!
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Suspect he may be part of the "great trade" opportunity....
AB + BW + a couple of expirings + the 2010 1st round draft pick… SHOULD give us the opportunity to go for a pretty big name!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 25, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
My question is, who do we get? What we need if we trade Biedrins is a center that can defend the post that is better than Biedrins overall. Good luck finding that. I don’t think that’s available, unless you insist on getting Amar’e, which is not a big improvement, IMO. I don’t know why we want to trade Biedrins. Why not Monta, Wright, expirings and a first? If Monta and Curry play really well this year, I think a good move would be to nab a star or superstar 2 or 3 like Hamilton or Kirlenko, which directly addresses our other big weakness, perimeter defense. (Besides, Turiaf can defend the post, so we’ll be getting something a little redundant. Our perimeter defense is nearly non-existent, though).
If we can get 1 or even 2 strong defenders to improve our perimeter defense, that seems like an easier way to improve. Maybe if we us blackmail or work with the mafia, we can get Dwayne Wade.
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If perimeter defense is what you want, then I’d rather make a play for Caron Butler over Hamilton and Kirilenko. Butler would be a great second or third option on this team.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
why would we sign him now?
How much could he possibly be worth next year? He is not going to have a break out season and be an allstar. He may get better and show he has value, but with the salary cap coming down even lower next year, salaries are going to be very flat. We can probably make the decision to resign him next year with no financial impact
by warriorsvictim on Sep 25, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
Hope!
Another oportunity for Wright!
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Amare had TWO eye surgeries!! TWO! The first one was botched, how is this never mentioned?
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Don't Resign him
Wright will never succeed with our style, Nellie hates him, they can’t wait till they get rid of him or trade him, is that fair for Wright? No, but end of the day NBA is about business. Having Wright on the payroll for close to $3.5 mill and playing only 10 mins is not worth it. He has more value as an expiring contract rather than resigning him. I think Nellie would rather play a bum like Devan George rather than seeing Wright play any min. I say trade cause I want him to succeed and he might succeed with the thunders or Kings but not with the Warriors under Nellie.
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Re: Nellie hates him
Nellie disagrees . . .
Don Nelson today:
I thought Wright was on a nice track as well. I wasn’t disappointed in him at all. I thought Randolph beat him out and was a better player last year, but Wright was also improving nicely until he dislocated his shoulder. He was on a nice track, too.
I’m anxious to see him. See how he plays early this year.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 25, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
and later on he addresses playing "a bum like Devan George"
Puffy says:
I think Nellie would rather play a bum like Devan George rather than seeing Wright play any min.
Nelson says:
Q: You’ve added Law, Claxton, Devean George, Mikki Moore… Any of those guys have a shot at making your main rotation?
NELSON: Potential what?
Q: Rotation players.
NELSON: What does that mean?
Q: Guys who will be in your main eight-man, nine-man rotation.
NELSON: We’re dedicated to our youth here. The youth’s going to play. We’ll develop them. There’ll be minutes to fit in here or there, but I’m here to tell you we’re going to develop our youth.
Q: Law is young. Could he find time?
NELSON: We’ve got an overload in the backcourt. What can I tell you? I can’t play everybody. We’ll have to see how it works out.
It doesn’t sound like Nelson intends to show a preference for George over Wright.
It doesn’t sound like Nelson intends to show a preference for George over Wright.
also doesn’t sound like he’s interested in winning as much as he’s interested in playing with the kids? Is this just a fleeting love affair?? Will we get back to real basketball soon???
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 26, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Will we get back to real basketball soon???
My definition of real NBA basketball leaves no room for Devan George actually playing for my team. Somehow I doubt you actually disagree with that statement.
Of course, you’re probably just referring to the fact that the season doesn’t start for another month. Then we will see what Nelson actually believes about who should get how much playing time. Of course, that doesn’t mean we’ll understand why.
the kids probably give us the best chance of winning with this roster. i lineup of mikki moore, george, maggs, jack, and claxton would make us older, but it would also make us worse. the youth has to play because there’s really no other options.
by the way, our youngest possible lineup (randolph, curry, wright, biedrins, ellis) isn’t really that far off from our best possible lineup (replace wright with jack and maybe curry with buike). a youth movement and an effort to win games are one and the same this year. it’s going to be a wild ride.
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I still don't trust Nellie to do the right thing. Do you?!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
I remember reading the Curry article and in it, Randolph said that if Nelson isn’t being tough on you, then something wrong. He doesn’t believe in you. I took this as a good sign for Wright, since Nelson has been as hard on him as anyone else on the roster.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
the hiring of S.Roth as an ass't coach
is probably intended to give the younger players including Wright some extra t.l.c. in their development. I suspect Nelson has adjusted his expectations about what can be done to improve the talent level of his team, and sees he has good possibilities in his younger players, most obviously with Randolph, Curry, and Morrow but including Wright, Azubuike, and Watson.
I think Wright has more potential than Morrow, Azubuike or Watson. Morrow isn’t very athletic (although I love him). Azu and Watson are what they are. Wright, if he can smooth out a couple things, has the potential to be a top-tier offensive force and a very good defender, too. (If by some strange chance, he starts rebounding well, then he could be a top-tier big man, period).
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Nelson didn't rank them today
Be he did have these things to say about Morrow:
You know, [Anthony Randolph] and Morrow are my hardest workers right now.
What I do [know] is we’re going to be very small in the backcourt this year. Our 1s and 2s are going to be small, so we’ll have to compensate defensively for some of those things.
And do some scheming defensively to help cover that.
Q: Morrow fits in that? He’s not too small.
NELSON: Morrow’s 6-5. Not a big 2-guard.
About the only guy who seems to be predictable as a young player at this point, other than potential and a good track, and improvement, would be Morrow. Morrow seems to be probably more well-rounded in what he is than anybody else.
The other guys we don’t really know yet how good or when the curve stops, if they’re going to be great, good, average, what they’re going to be. But right now, their curve is going on very nicely.
[regarding trading Belinelli]There was just no room in the inn for everybody. We thought Morrow was better. We just had to make a decision. He wanted to play and he deserved to play. He was moving along nicely. There just wasn’t enough minutes for him.
These are from Tim Kawakami’s transcript of Friday’s meeting with the press: part 1 and part 2.
I don’t doubt Morrow will be a very good player. But there are a lot of good 2’s in the league, and he has the disadvantage of not being particularly athletic. Wright, on the other hand, is especially valuable due to his size and length. Much harder to find that. On top of that, he’s very physically gifted. I see less of a ceiling for him to be a strong contributor. I could be wrong, though. Morrow’s threes are pretty deadly.
If God dwells in all of us, like some people say he does, I sure hope he likes nachos, because that's what he's getting!
I get what you are saying. I’m a big fan of both Morrow and Wright. Nelson seems to be saying that Morrow is a bit more of a known quantity right now, but that does not necessarily mean one is better than the other, just that it is fairly clear that Morrow works hard and is going to be an effective shooter. Wright could be either better or worse in Nelson’s estimation, but, for the reasons you cited, have more potential upside.
The Examiner quotes Nelson as saying the two are competing for a spot in the starting line-up:
He said Ellis, Jackson, Anthony Randolph and Andris Biedrins will start. At which position Ellis, Jackson and Randolph start is up to the play of Curry, Kelenna Azubuike, Anthony Morrow and Brandan Wright, Nelson said.
Corey Maggette will be the sixth man. If Curry starts, Ellis plays the 2; if Azubuike starts, Ellis plays point and Jackson plays the 2; if Morrow starts, Ellis plays point and Jackson plays 3; and if Wright starts, Randolph moves to the 3 and Jackson plays the 2.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
hmmm.
Ellis, Jackson, Azubuike, Randolph, Biedrins – 60% chance, opening night.
Curry, Ellis, Jackson, Randolph, Biedrins – 5% chance, opening night.
Ellis, Morrow, Jackson, Randolph, Biedrins – 32% chance, opening night.
Ellis, Jackson, Randolph, Wright, Biedrins – 2% chance, opening night.
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those odds sound about right. i might even say that the last lineup (as bad of an idea as i think it is) has a little better than a 2% chance because nellie could very well take an opening night risk to see what he has (think demarcus nelson starting last year).
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Wright could be the 7th man, and if Randolph is playing heavy minutes, we may well be seeing a Wright, Biedrins, Randolph front court. Never been done, as of yet. Interestingly, it sounds like Nelson is simply assuming that Randolph can play the 3. Very interesting.
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Brandan Wright is a B-U-S-T
Trade his skinny azz for Amare already. He’s bball IQ is crap. He’s brittle as a twig. All people can say is “big wingspan.” Well, wow.
This team hasn’t had a superstar, let alone an allstar, since Latrell freakin Sprewell! (playoff drought a coincidence? ). Amare is a beast, a dominant all-nba big man we haven’t seen since young Webber! Ancient times!
I’ve had enough of this “wait and see / youth movement / maybe good in the future” crap. Vets win, young teams lose. No suprise that this team started winning finally with a lineup of mostly vets: Baron/JRich/S Jax/Harrington/Biedrins.
Things become easier when you have that #1 option allstar to build around. Just about every playoff team has a star player. It also attracts other players to actually want to come to GS. So instead of constantly wondering who’s going to “hopefully” step up from our roster of 2nd rate players, trade for the sure thing.
I don’t understand the fans who would rather have a team of 2nd rates than a proven superstar. Makes no sense. The risks he has are exaggerated.
by RowellMustGo on Sep 27, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Brandan Wright is a B-U-S-T
Yup. This cry is heard around here every so often, generally not supported by anything other than a quasi-fetishitic aversion to his lack of muscles. Wright’s per-minute numbers in the NBA as both a skinny 20 year old and a skinny 21 year old were very promising. Last season by Wins Produced per minute, he was the second best player on the Warriors last season, after Biedrins. And by PER he was the seventh best small forward in the NBA (why they consider him a small forward is another question). Word is now he’s been working hard on his game and has gained 20 pounds of bulk. He’s far from perfect, obviously, but it’s just silly to say he’s a B-U-S-T.
Trade his skinny azz for Amare already.
Well for one, that’s not the deal that was rumored. The Warrior package that was rumored was Wright (all of him, not just his azz ;-)), Biedrins, and Curry. We have no idea that Phoenix is willing to take the deal with expirings instead of Curry, or even that the deal with Curry is still on the table. For all we know, Phoenix has decided to move on and take their chances with re-signing Amare, or maybe go hard after Bosh if they lose out. Or maybe the Ws have heard enough about Amare’s eye issues to make them walk away for good. Or maybe they’ve been scouting Wright’s workouts and love what they see. In any case, until we hear otherwise, for now it seems best to assume this deal is D-E-A-D.
This team hasn’t had a superstar, let alone an allstar since Latrell Sprewell.
First, I think you may need to learn the meaning and usage of “let alone” — you seem to have it backwards. ;-P Second, “All-star” is often not the best gauge of a player’s contributions to winning. Jamison, Baron, JRich, Monta, Biedrins have all been as good as Sprewell, imo. I agree that a legit superstar — the type of player who can add 15-25 wins to a mediocre team — is something we’ve been missing since Webber (and even he was borderline). But, as detailed above, I don’t think the 2009-10 version of Amare really fits that bill.
Amare is a beast, a dominant all-nba big man we haven’t seen since young Webber! Ancient times!
He’s really nothing like Webber. Webber was an elite passing big man who loved to get his teammates invloved. Amare’s exactly the opposite. Further, if you look at the history of elite-scoring defensively challenged ball-hog PFs like Amare, it’s not that pretty. At the low-end there’s the ZBos and Jeffersons of the world who exasperate their fans and torpedo their teams. But even at the absolute top end — young Amare, Barkley, Boozer, Malone — no players of this type seem to have been capable of taking their team all the way. And of course: the aforementioned “big four” all had elite or historically great PGs setting them up (Nash, KJ, Deron, Stockton, respectively). Our Ws, as you know, have nothing resembling this.
I’ve had enough of this "wait and see / youth movement / maybe good in the future" crap. Vets win, young teams lose. No suprise that this team started winning finally with a lineup of mostly vets: Baron/JRich/S Jax/Harrington/Biedrins.
I totally understand the frustration. But frustration is not a good reason to do something rash like trade all our productive players for a big-name “all-star.” Former all-stars Iverson and Starbury are probably available too … would you sell the farm for them?
Things become easier when you have that #1 option allstar to build around. Just about every playoff team has a star player. It also attracts other players to actually want to come to GS. So instead of constantly wondering who’s going to "hopefully" step up from our roster of 2nd rate players, trade for the sure thing.
Agreed with all the above, except the idea that Amare’s the “sure thing” you say. Last season somehow the “sure thing” wasn’t even Top 15 at his position. If he’s as all-that as you say, why do so many Suns fans seem so eager to dump him? Some time you should go over to the bright side of the Sun and gauge the overall sentiment about their so-called “franchise player.” My guess is that the responses will be pretty mixed.
I don’t understand the fans who would rather have a team of 2nd rates than a proven superstar. Makes no sense. The risks he has are exaggerated
You haven’t been reading very carefully, then. I think there are reasonable arguments for the deal, but don’t act like the arguments against haven’t been laid out clearly and logically. To date, Adam Lauridsen still probably laid it out best.
Fake edit: plus, as Skep says,
Apparently Amare don’t want to play here?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 27, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Trade his skinny azz for Amare already.
I don’t think it’s that simple, apparently Amare don’t want to play here?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 27, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions
sleepy-
ok so just a question..
you’d rather have:
Biedrins – will never be a post presence
Wright – a bust or non-contributer, take yer pick.
Curry – 4 other guards were taken before him in the draft. no certainty that he’ll be good or his game will translate to the nba. and if he does start w/Ellis, that spells a defensive disaster.
(filler) – used to be Belinelli in the deal but we gave him away for nothing anyway
instead of:
Amare Stoudemire (signed long term)
a 4 time all star, 2-time all-nba player who’s still young and in his prime.
You’d essentially rather gamble on Curry and Wright hopefully reaching their potential. something you won’t likely see for another 2-3 yrs. And Biedrins who is valuable but not a star and Turiaf would be adequate. It’s much easier to replace the likes of 2nd and 3rd tier player than it is to replace a superstar. Wake up from your GSW “future-movment” mentality. It is more risky to gamble on uncertain potential, than on a proven superstar. And yes, Amare still is a superstar. And a person could change his mind about not wanting to play here, if the right factors are present.
by RowellMustGo on Sep 28, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I would rather have Biedrins, Wright, and Curry than Amare Stoudemire.
I’m awake. I’m not particularly wedded to any “future-movement.” I’d happily trade those three players for LeBron, or Howard, or Paul, or Wade, or Deron, or Roy, or Rose, or Rondo, or Griffin, or Gasol … and maybe 5-6 other guys. (Maybe Durant, maybe Horford, maybe Oden, maybe Love…) Amare doesn’t make that list. No need to rehash the reasons for the 4,786th time.
Stay up! ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 28, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for holding down the “I don’t want to give up the farm for Amare” fort, Sleepy. Job admirably done and I didn’t even feel the need to add my two cents at any point. I feel like there are more people on our side of the camp than post about it, so I figured I’d add my voice somewhere behind you.
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