Pessimism at its best, (read at your risk!!!)
This season looks very bleak. The near future of this franchise looks very bleak. The generally friendly bay area media and the east coast sports biased do their best to keep the absolute dysfunction and debauchery of the Golden State Warriors off the top headlines (being ridiculously unsuccessful the last 15 years helps as well) on ESPN and other sports related news outlets, but most of us stubbornly hardcore Warrior fans either know the truth or pretend we don’t know the truth.
I am a die hard 25 year old pessimistic Warriors fan that has very little faith in this current assemblage of players and even less faith in the front office. If you are a fan that still believes that we can make a serious run at the 8th seed (and that would be worth it) or that our youth movement is on the right track this time around, I implore you to stop reading at this point.
Reasons why this is going to get much worse before it gets better (in no specific order):
Monta Ellis and Stephan Jackson's dissatisfaction with the front office
Jackson and Ellis are the 2 best players on the Warriors. Jackson has not made any effort to hide his disdain for the Warriors and their recent moves. From a second round playoff team to a 48 win team, to a 29 win lottery team this team has gotten worse every year Jack has been here. He has seen JRich, Baron, Air France, Mohawk Barnes, and TMNT, all get ungraciously tossed to the curb by this franchise. While many of us did and still do (me included) make great reasons for why those moves were necessary, none of those moves were followed by any moves that made any sense. While many of us didn't not want to see the team built on a flawed 8th seed gimmick team, almost all of us would have preferred that to being a lottery team that is a complete joke across the country. Jackson has been very upfront for a trade to a team that resembles a winner, and has come out and said that he played ‘Bobby' Rowell for a contract extension because it was the smart thing to do. Jackson has no allegiance to this team and will look for his first opportunity to get out of here. While Jackson has been a great teammate on the court and a terrific performer (at times), no one will ever confuse Jackson with a consummate professional. This is a pile of dynamite that Jackson is tossing lighter fluid on. On top of that Nellie, Riley, and Rowell are trying to persuade the fans that this is not that big of a deal. It is a huge deal and this is going to get much worse before it gets better. Either it leads to a horrible trade for us or Jackson slowly burning the locker room down to the foundation.
Then there is Monta Ellis. Monta Ellis, the same guy that was the future face of the franchise one long year ago. How times change. Monta Ellis has been spending the summer has been working out hard this summer with Stephan Jackson and working on his game. Good news for us is he has stayed away from mo-peds and other low speed 2 wheel devices and has been working out. Bad news is that Monta Ellis is clearly not going to let bygones be bygones after ‘Bobby' let the void threat hang over his head all season last year. Monta Ellis is clearly not pumped up about having Stephan Curry being his running mate. While most fans and observers know that having two 6'3" scrawny guards running around together in the backcourt, Ellis has come out and pretty much laid it out that he has no doubt that it won't work and will not lead to winning. The subtext is very clear, our former franchise player doesn't want to play for Nelson or ‘Bobby' AND that Nelson prefers Curry to run his team and ‘Bobby' is going to continue to blame last year's fiasco on Ellis's mo-ped adventures. After Jackson is out of town, I look for Ellis to go grab his own gas can. Ellis can play, but he isn't a point and this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Dumping Marco Belinelli for Devean George
AND CLAIMING that George was brought here to play!
The trade itself is not a good one as we traded a player that can kind of play, for a guy that can't play. The thing that makes this worse is that Riley and Nelson making statements that George will not be a staple at the end of the bench but an actual contributor. It is quite obvious why this would be a horrendous move. George is horrible and he would take away minutes from the better younger players on the Warriors roster. Hopefully that was just Riley posturing and trying to justify the trade. It would have been much better if Riley came out and said that it was a salary dump and George would never play except for blowouts or injuries. Hopefully Nelson can carry that out.
Drafting Stephan Curry
I didn't like the draft pick of Curry when Jennings, DeRozan, and Williams were still available. But that's water under the bridge. Curry is a good player. He is a mature kid with a great head on his shoulder that will definitely be productive.
Curry Positives: Shooting, Creating his own shot, and Scoring
Curry Negatives: Defense, Rebounding, and Passing
Um...wait a second. Taking the best player available when you are as big of a ‘suck' as the Warriors is good idea, but it is awesome (not) when we draft a player that directly exemplifies our weaknesses and duplicates your strengths. I like Curry, don't get me wrong. I hope he has a great career with the Warriors. I just don't see him pairing well with Ellis and fixing any of our immediate needs.
Brandan Wright waiting for his plane ticket out of town
Short and sweet, Nelson is not a fan. Wright is sitting behind Randolph. Wright has been ridiculously effective when he has played. Jackson is going to be hard to trade, and Wright will inevitably be a throw in a trade. Good luck in the future Brandan.
Nobody wants to be here
Amare said it straight up. We have seen other players demanding way more money or rejecting the Warriors offers straight up in the last few years. The one that really stings is CJ Watson. A backup point guard that found a semi decent NBA career in Golden State declared that he didn't want to be here, then took less money in the hopes that he can leave the Warriors sooner than later.
Don Nelson
Don Nelson is a good coach. A great coach who will get us the most wins out of this team. It's the off court stuff that has to worry the Warrior fans. No one knows yet whether Nelson is really content and happy with ‘Bobby' and Chris or if Nelson is going to make a run at ‘Bobby's' job. Nelson is cerebral but he has a history of burning franchises to the ground on his way out. We know of Nelson from his 10 years here (over his 2 stints) and his other antics on other teams, we can't really believe a word out of this guy's mouth.
Nelson taking on his players is a much bigger problem than a potential problem with ‘Bobby.' Last year Nellie took on Crawford, Harrington, and Randolph directly in the media and on the court and several others behind the scene (Wright, Ellis, Belinelli, Morrow, Williams, Kurz, and Watson). With Jackson and Ellis already making the locker room quite volatile, we will just have to wait and see what self inflicted problems Nellie brings this season.
Robert Rowell
Is there a guy that you don't know (that isn't a terrorist or a criminal of some sort) and hate more than this guy? He is the worst, no explanation needed for Warrior faithful. Chris Cohan also deserves quite a bit of blame. Hey Cohan, you have owned this team 16 years and NEVER have finished in the better half of the teams in the Western Conference. Never. NOT ONCE. How is that possible?
Salary Cap Lockdown
Thanks to Maggette's and Jackson's lucrative contracts we will have nothing but the mid level exception and draft picks (lottery no doubt) to improve this team's talent.
There are many more reasons why this season will be another disaster for the Warriors, but here is a short closing paragraph wrapping up my thoughts. The Warriors (Rowell) is already making it clear that his 2 primary goals are to bring a marquee player or make a desperate run for the 8th seed to sell some tickets. Hopefully Nelson is being truthful and honest when he says this team is young and is building for the future, and hopefully developing our young talent and making this team a legitimate contender in the future. However nothing in Don Nelson, Larry Riley, Robert Rowell, and Chris Cohan's history shows that they have the willingness (Nelson) or ability (the rest of the guys) to make that happen.
Projection for 2009-2010 season 34-48, 11th seed in the West
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Curry Negatives: Defense, Rebounding, and Passing
I was under the impression that he was a good passer…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Sep 29, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions
Curry
I think his passing more of a strength than it is a weakness.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 29, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s also a pretty good rebounder and a pretty good defender.
But yeah … other than the fact that he’s a great passer, a pretty good rebounder, and a pretty good defender, his negatives are passing, rebounding, and defense.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, the jury’s still out on how his passing will be for an NBA PG, as well as his defense at an NBA level. College rebounding supposedly translates very well to the pro’s, though, so I do at least have confidence in that one (and I’ve heard rumors he may be good at the other two, I’m just claiming he’s still “unproven” in those areas).
by Missing Barry on Sep 29, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Where are you getting your opinion from,
Passing: He played one year of point guard and was a shooting guard most of his college career. He wasnt classified as a point guard when he entered the draft. So maybe I should of said ‘court vision’ instead of passing as a weakness. Curry is definetly not a guy that is ready to be a NBA point guard at the moment and if Nelson decides to play him at the 1, it will be a awork in progress.
Rebounding and Defender: Curry wasnt regarded as a good defender in college and many have speculated on his body not being NBA ready. I dont see Curry keeping his college rebounding stats the same in the pro’s.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Sep 29, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont see Curry keeping his college rebounding stats the same in the pro’s.
Why not? According to jae, that’s one of the least variable rates for a young hoopster. Curry averaged right around 5 boards per 36 minutes all three years in college, despite doing absolutely everything else on the floor for his team. Why would you assume that as he gets stronger and grows into his man-body, he’ll start rebounding significantly worse?
As for D, yeah, I’d say the jury’s still out. I really haven’t paid enough attention to him on D to judge. I’m basically going by two things: (1) the fact that he averaged 2.7 steals per 36 in college (roughly three times as many as a shlump like Crawford has managed in the pros); and the fact he’s by all accounts a smart and dedicated kid who puts in a ton of effort on both ends. This doesn’t make him the next Gary Payton, obviously, but it suggests that his defense may well not be a “negative.”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
According to jae, that’s one of the least variable rates for a young hoopster. Curry averaged right around 5 boards per 36 minutes all three years in college
Definetly, it seems to be a good carry over stat from college to the pros. My only worry about Curry is his non-NBA body. I am worried that it might lower his rebounding rate playing against bigger and faster athletes.
the fact that he averaged 2.7 steals per 36 in college
Steals are great as possesion is changed, however I think making steals and defense a parrallel is a mistake. Over the last 10 years 2 of the consistent leaders in steals per game are Shawn Marion and Allen Iverson. Marion is a great rebounder and Iverson is terriable. Monta Ellis is a gets a decent amount of steals per game but defense is definetly a weakness in his game.
but it suggests that his defense may well not be a "negative."
True, I might be over worries about this, but his average athleticism and his slight frame make me worry. Espicially when the Warriors have no other even semi good wing defenders on the team other than Jackson (when healthy and motivated) and Azibuike (average) to help the kid out.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Sep 29, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Marion is a great rebounder and Iverson is terriable.
meant to say defender : )
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Sep 29, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
Didn’t he play in a minor college league? The NBA is likely to have better rebounders fighting for those loose balls?
I don’t think his rebounding is really that important anyway, what I want to see is his ball handling and distribution skills, if he’s not significantly better than Montay at point skills then they made a big mistake drafting Curr-bury?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 29, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Will we ever learn??
For a decade and a half. All we say every year is:
-Rebuild
-Young talent
-Next year
We as fans deserve much more. There is no other arena that can claim they fill it like we do. We support our team every F***ing year. I go to over 30 games a year. Here and other towns.
Every year I say this is year, we have something special. WTF!!!!
I know some will say I’m not a true fan. But I ’m a 35 yr old man that has always followed this team no matter what. But the no matter what has just run out. Not becuase I am not a fan, but becuase of the joke the front office has made of this franchise. and us -the fans This will never get better and we are partially to blame why?-Ther front office as much as we claim, they are doing their job
-The arena is always full-We fill it up
-After all it is a business
They fill the seats-With our asses
-Memorbilia
-etc..
-etc..
What is the motive for them to change (business is booming). I do not want to hear some say they are in it “to win”.
Becuase if that was the fact. They would have done it a long time ago. The only success they had, they could not build on it. I do not care for what reasons. They do not have the credibility or have any excuses, in my book they are just laughing to the bank .
The reason I do not care to know why, is becuase they have an excuse every year, every year.
-Players do not want to come here now or stay
-We are now no doubt the worst runned franchised in the NBA!!!
-Even the Clippers can deal for players. We can get players even by over paying. Becuase we do not know how to give proper contracts
-The only players that are coming here are the ones that are not going to make a difference and they overpaid them so much, we can’t get rid of them(I do not think I need to mention them) and they know they are coming here for the money.
If we want to get this fixed do not go to the arena!!!
Let’s force them to continue to treat this as a business and
-fill the arena
-treat this as a business or go out of business
-fill seats
-etc..
-etc..
I will not stop watching them on TV, but I will not go to the arena until I see some improvement from the front office
.
And by the way get rid of the entire staff, including Nellie. I do not care about his legacy. He has not brough a chapionship? Not that we had a team to do so, but they sure f***d up on the continued progress—He is good no doubt about it, but I see distrcuction all over again, soon
Peace
Will we ever learn???
For a decade and a half. All we say every year is:
-Rebuild
-Young talent
-Next year
We as fans deserve much more. There is no other arena that can claim they fill it like we do. We support our team every F***ing year. I go to over 30 games a year. Here and other towns.
Every year I say this is year, we have something special. WTF!!!!
I know some will say I’m not a true fan. But I ’m a 35 yr old man that has always followed this team no matter what. But the no matter what has just run out. Not becuase I am not a fan, but becuase of the joke the front office has made of this franchise. and us -the fans This will never get better and we are partially to blame why?
-The arena is always full-We fill it up
-After all it is a business-Ther front office as much as we claim, they are doing their job
They fill the seats-With our asses
-Memorbilia
-etc..
-etc..
What is the motive for them to change (business is booming). I do not want to hear some say they are in it "to win".
Becuase if that was the fact. They would have done it a long time ago. The only success they had, they could not build on it. I do not care for what reasons. They do not have the credibility or have any excuses, in my book they are just laughing to the bank .
The reason I do not care to know why, is becuase they have an excuse every year, every year.
-Players do not want to come here now or stay
-We are now no doubt the worst runned franchised in the NBA!!!
-Even the Clippers can deal for players. We can get players even by over paying. Becuase we do not know how to give proper contracts
-The only players that are coming here are the ones that are not going to make a difference and they overpaid them so much, we can’t get rid of them(I do not think I need to mention them) and they know they are coming here for the money.
If we want to get this fixed do not go to the arena!!!
Let’s force them to continue to treat this as a business and
-fill the arena
-treat this as a business or go out of business
-fill seats
-etc..
-etc..
I will not stop watching them on TV, but I will not go to the arena until I see some improvement from the front office
.
And by the way get rid of the entire staff, including Nellie. I do not care about his legacy. He has not brough a chapionship? Not that we had a team to do so, but they sure f***d up on the continued progress—He is good no doubt about it, but I see distrcuction all over again, soon
Peace
Brutal.
Brutally well written and correct, that is.
I’m scurred ;(

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