Monta Ellis may ask out of the #Warriors too soon, via some1 in his camp. Still bitterness on both sides from the mo-ped fiasco.
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3 seasons removed from being the up and coming team in the NBA. What has happened to our Warriors? One has to wonder if it is time to blow the entire thing up and start from scratch. By this i mean unloading the likes of Ellis, Jackson and Maggette. The latter two even for pennies on the dollar. Lets roll with KA, Morrow, Curry, Randolph and Beans.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 29, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF TIM KAWAKAMI IS SO STOOPID! ALWAYS DISHING DIRT!
Who’s face is red now?
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 29, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am so sick and tired of this
I was so excited about training camp 24 hours ago thinking jackson was gonna keep his mouth shut and just perform just like monta ellis but nooooooo. We have to start training camp full of distractions and drama. I feel so bad about morrow, Curry and Randolph who we NEED to have the desire to play for the warriors and make us a better team. I can’t help but think that AR is going “god I can’t wait to get out of here” after all the crap he has gone through in 1 year (although nelson benching him might’ve made him a harder worker).
Just like nocal81 was saying, I kinda might not be too upset to unload at least jackson for some less value as long as it doesn’t compromise our ability to be a player in next summer’s market and behond. I would LOVE for a warriors season that even if we suck is filled with optimism for the future: think Oklahoma city and portland a few years ago.
Still….. Go warriors!
LGW
by jpratm on Sep 29, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind trading Ellis
if Curry looks good this year. I know you can’t expect too much out of rooks, but if he performs well enough, Ellis becomes expendable, and we can look to balance the team out a little more. I just hope he doesn’t voice his dissatisfaction with the team. Two pouting guards demanding a trade is a BAD way to start the season.
by Pearlsofwisdom on Sep 29, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta is not leaving anyime soon,
This crazy, he just stated that two small guards is a bad idea. He is being honest, what’s wrong with that.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Sep 29, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's correct
Quite a few writers misinterpreted Monta’s “I can’t play with Curry” as Monta whining about not wanting to play with Curry, when what Monta was saying was that 2 small guards on the court won’t win games in the long term.
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 29, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Monta is scary fast. Curry is a rookie. I know what Nellie said about Curry but do you remember his preseason raves about Marco? This shouldn’t even be a discussion.
Monta needs to stay.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Sep 29, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but the point is if Curry shows something at the PG position – it’s time to consider moving Monta. it’s a lot easier to find a SG to pair with Curry than a PG that can pair with Monta. small backcourts only work if they’re both good, tough defenders (J. West/Murphy, Dumars/Thomas, Harris/Terry) and Monta’s the opposite of that.
by homer simpson on Sep 29, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
like the dubzfan said:" he just stated that two small guards is a bad idea." adding to that he said he was a warrior until his contract is up. Now 24 hours later he wants out. smh
by shay_boggy on Sep 29, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rajan Rondo
Even Rondo is speaking the truth about Warriors Media Day on Twitter…
@Jpdabrams Wait, you think there was bitterness at the Warriors media day? Nahhhh
- @MrTrpleDouble10
@Jpdabrams I agree, and amazingly it seems like Stephen Curry is the most mature/veteran-esque out of everyone there!
- @MrTrpleDouble10
I wonder how that makes our “veterans” feel… just embarrassing the entire Bay Area with their drama, like they all a bunch of children squabbling in elementary school, it is hard to believe that grown men can’t act like it, especially when it matters the most. It will definitely be hard to ever pull anyone with a big name to this franchise with the kind of press we get. Whoever said any press is good press is dead wrong when it comes to modern day technologies in media.
by Essential on Sep 29, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you forgot to paste Rondo’s comments, but if that’s it, it just sounds like people talking smack to me. Besides what the F does Rondo know about the Warriors anyways?
by VERY VERY BUSY on Sep 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha The Celtics were shopping Rondo earlier in the off season
Man I hate that guy, Rondo and KG are like the Wonder Twins of doucheness
by 123707THIZZ on Sep 29, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Wonder Twins of doucheness
That might be the funniest thing I have ever read! I just laughed out loud at work, thank you.
by VERY VERY BUSY on Sep 29, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d give a lot to have the Wonder Twins of Doucheness on the Warriors.
Rondo is good pals with Kelenna, so maybe he knows more about the Ws than you think…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm what?
I’m good pals with a succesful 26 year old entrepreneur. I still don’t know jack about running my own buisness. Baron Davis is good friends with Magic Johnson, does that mean Baron has great work ethic?
by VERY VERY BUSY on Sep 29, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might know a little more about that successful young entrepreneur’s business than I do. If nothing else, you know who they are and, maybe, what line of work they are in. People talk with their friends. It tends to give the friends some insight into what those people think. ;-)
by toddaverth on Sep 29, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are both very very good and very very relevant rhetorical questions, VVB. Especially the one about Baron and Magic. Indeed, not only does the fact that Magic Johnson had a better work ethic than Baron Davis negate the fact that Kelenna Azubuike might know a thing or two about the Warriors, but it also negates Azubuike’s existence entirely. Damn you! Now you have to find us a new backup small forward!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo is good pals with Kelenna?
Lebron is BFF with Curr-bury??
How come we always get the sucky side of these relationships???
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 29, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t forget Cap’n Jack and his BFF Duncan… :,-(
Yeah, somehow we always seem to get the Ocaseks to their Porizkovas…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are Rondo’s comments to Jonathan Abrams, the NY Times reporter (@Jpdabrams = Jonathan Abrams, @MrTrpleDouble10 = Rondo)
For the record, I’ve ALWAYS hated Rondo, everything from his name to his game. He looks like Skeeter from Doug, but Skeeter was cool, and I don’t want to hate Skeeter so I try not to think about it.
by Essential on Sep 30, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is silly
This is the same dirt that we have heard before, just speculation. Kind of like every other trade rumor that has been out there before.. let it go people, its just writers filling lines to collect paychecks.
by pinkycheal on Sep 29, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are they getting paid to fill their twitter feeds?
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 29, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised anyone would gamble on him after the injury
Now closer to mid season, if he is back to his old self, then I could believe this.
by mosdl on Sep 29, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But guys
IT WASNT HIS FAULT, THE MOPED MALFUNCTIONED! We need to give him another chance! It’s ok if he makes the guy he’s defending look like an all star! It’s ok guys! He needs another chance! He’s still handling this situation well! It’s like he had no injury at all! C’mon guys, he’ll be the best Warrior ever! He’ll be a superstar, up there with the 5 best in the NBA! He has matured, we all know it!
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by ejdacanay on Sep 29, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish after the Moped Malfunction....
Janet Jackson’s boob popped out.
by FiveAlarmFreddy on Sep 29, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't care anymore.
Maybe if Jackson and Ellis are gone we can focus on winning.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Sep 29, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
with what?
they are our 2 best players. Sorry Keleena Azubiuke isn’t leading us anywhere except to the most pingpong balls. We wont get near the value they have to the warriors from anyone. Not for jack cause of his horrendous contract. Not for monta being off a horrendous injury
by tafkasam on Sep 29, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if they do stay
and half-‘butt’ it the whole season or pout until they do get traded. I don’t think either one of them is above that.
by 123707THIZZ on Sep 29, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope that
they won’t be a cancer for the team
by thecity23 on Sep 29, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you trade both of them, then the Warriors can create some cap space. Just something to think about it?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 29, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am happy and EXCITED
I been saying it all summer, Ellis is an arrogant idiot who thinks he is the best player in this league or acts like it cause he is getting paid Superstar money. I first said we should cancel his contract and allow him to test free agency and he will be back signing Midlevel excemption with us, then I said we should trade him the same way we did with J Rich especially since we drafted Curry, yet many guys who being drinking the kool aid kept bringing up the stats of Ellis and how he was improving. Dude doesn’t want play for us, lol. I m loving it trade him, Jackson and Wright for Tmac. I am going to start digging the archives to call out those idiots who kept jumping on Ellis bandwagon. Lol I m so happy thanks Ellis for proving to your fans that you are an idiot.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea Robert shouldn't have given Monta his Moped.
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by ejdacanay on Sep 29, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No Rowells arrogance...
Stepping over boundaries, not letting Mullin do his job, not resigning baron, firing mullin, and numerous other moves have made the franchise look horrible, and continued the perception that GSW will NEVER be a winner. If we leave our home fan bias, we are no different than clippers to an outside perspective.
by tafkasam on Sep 29, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not resigning baron
though BD was the main reason for those 2 winning seasons, based on last season – it looks like he might be over the hill. if we see the same thing this year, then that will have turned out to be a good move by Rowell.
firing mullinmeh. mullin is the same guy who threw money at Brand, then Arenas & finally at Maggette, traded a 1st rounder away for MWill (the Nets picked up Keyon Dooling to back up Devin Harris and the year before they played Darrell Armstrong ahead of him – that had to be a sign) and overpaid a combo guard. Monta got a Kevin Martin deal even though he’s 4 inches shorter and his career TS% is 54.8% vs Martin’s 60.5%.
Rowell’s mishaps last season were calling out Mullin for not wanting to fine Monta, not voiding Monta’s overpaid contract, the toxic atmosphere he created in the front office, the completely unnecessary Jackson & Nelson extensions and the firing of Mullin’s top aide for suspicions of leaking info to the media.
by homer simpson on Sep 29, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're missing my point....
No doubt Baron had a horrible year, and mullin was an average GM. Both got the warriors respect as a VIABLE team around the league. Something we haven’t been for over a decade.
you have to crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run. Sure i’d rather let baron go, and sign CP3…. It isn’t happening. I wouldn’t care if we traded Monta, jack if we got deron williams and josh howard, but it won’t happen.
Players have a lot of power in this league and above all winning makes you attractive. Its the reason people will go to San Antonio and Cleveland over bay area.
Under Mullin’s direction we were taking positive steps. Without Mullin I HIGHLY doubt we draft Biedrins, Monta or Randolph. Those 3 alone are our best draft picks since CWeb (possibly bar JRich). I still feel BWright has a place, the guy isn’t even 22 yet. And more so, Chris Mullin was widely respected around the league as a player, and with his evaluations of steals like Monta and Randolph (appears to be), he was gaining respect as a GM.
It’s not like Joe dumars (regarded as a top GM) didn’t make gigantic mistakes (much worse than Mully’s with his darko miss). But he has the perception of being a quality GM, and players want to come to Detroit (another terrible city) because they trust Dumar’s will build a team that will be playoff competitive yearly.
firing Mullin did A LOT more to destabilize the foundation, than I think we give it credit for, even if he was an average GM (and I will argue, after saint jean and previous jokers, an average GM is a HUGE upgrade)
by tafkasam on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone help me out here
Can anyone think of a team that has done well (consistent playoff contender) with as toxic a front office as ours?
by tafkasam on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron had a price. It was a high price. You seem to be acting as if there wasn’t a big gamble to that or that somehow they could have just kept him without dealing with his desires for much money over much time.
There were several possibilities with Baron assuming, and that’s a big one, that he’d have been willing to stay in any event. He seemed to want to leave. But assuming that we could have reached a price comparable to what LA offered to keep him around…
1. Baron stays the player that he was in the run up to the playoffs and his last year here, meaning we had a strong (not really tall, but strong) playmaker with moxie to lead a team. We’d have remained a good team and have had a shot at the playoffs. This scenario presumes that staying here he’d have kept his conditioning up, something that didn’t appear to be the case in LA and stayed healthy, perhaps as a result of the conditioning, perhaps just due to luck. This would be best-case-scenario.
2. Baron stays, and the decline he showed last year carried over was natural decline and we’d be on the hook big for a guy who wouldn’t really be making us better. Transpose the 08-09 Baron onto last year’s Warriors and there’s a whole lot of suck happening. This is a possible scenario, and one that we would not have wanted.
3. Baron stays, keeps his conditioning up better but doesn’t stay as healthy as he was in 07-08 and reverts to his more typical “plays about 60-70% of a season” form, but plays well. This is a possible scenario and it would have kept our team better than we were last year, but not as good as in 07-08.
So if #1 is likely, they should have ponied up for Baron. If 2 is likely, then they made the right call despite the implications that we’d be worse. 3 is a middle ground, a judgment call. Anyone really believe they can tell what would have happened?
And again, all of these gambles still require a willing Baron for us to even have that option. I don’t really believe most of the reports about contracts he was eager to sign but were veto’d by management. They may be true, but I’m certain we don’t really know all the real details.
by jae on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not discussing your point. I’m discussing the arguments you’re using to back up your point which are flawed when you consider many of the realities that actually happened.
and can people stop pointing at Monta to praise Mullin? that’s about as relevant to skill as St Jean picking Arenas up in the 2nd round. unfortunately for St Jean, the rules didn’t protect him from losing Arenas. how is Mullin an average GM? he’s about the same as St Jean. they were on the brink of being a fringe playoff team w/ Arenas, JRich, Jamison, Murphy & crew. basically the difference between St Jean & Mullin as GMs was that the rules protected Mullin’s 2nd round pick & Nelson.
which is the only actual decision making difference Mullin had over St Jean. hiring Nelson who got Baron to be Baron, convinced Mullin that Dunleavy & Murphy needed to be moved and that Foyle was useless while Andris was not got them to 42 & 48 wins, but also contributed to 29 wins last season. also, based on the article below, i have a hard time believing Nelson would not have also selected Randolph regardless of Mullin. just b/c Nelson fell out of love w/ AR and may or may not have tried to trade him – doesn’t mean he never wanted him. and again, Nelson might also end up being Mullin’s worst decision as GM as well. reality is, Mullin destabilized the franchise as soon as he hired Nelson. his modus operandi is that he energizes, then destabilizes franchises.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/062508dnsporandolph.23e17ad.html
by homer simpson on Sep 30, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not saying nelson wouldn’t have drafted Randolph. But my recollection of the previous decade + of GSW drafts was ALWAYS taking a safe college player. foyle over tmac, fuller over kobe, jermaine oneal etc. I don’t need to go on. Randolph was a ballsy pick, regarded as ‘high risk, high reward’. After everyone in the league has seen him, I’m sure atleast half the teams who passed on him wish they could re-do it.
Biedrins didn’t help? He was our only consistent rebounder/big on those 42, 48 win teams. He gave us atleast a consistent center who could be counted to do his role, something we haven’t had as long as I can remember (I’m 24). Furthermore, look at his draft…Rafael Aurajo, Luke Jackson, josh childress, shaun livingston all went ahead of him. I bet they wish they could have it back.
by tafkasam on Sep 30, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets REALLY rebuild now
So let me see this again we got guys who dont wanna play for this team unhappy and bums who cant play period, let me count oh hold on name them is better Ellis, Jackson, Wright, Claxton, Law, George, Mikki is that 7 players? So 8 players are on board and 7 are worthless, lets 8*%+-square root= Rebuild this team NOW. Trade anyone except Randolph, Biedrins, Morrow and Curry. We need new 11 players, I would contact all gms and notify them we got 3 for 1 packages going on before opening game. Anyone wants to buy my season tickets? Lol
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but what are we gonna get for jack and Monta?
Unless Miami is willing to give us beasley for Monta, I don’t see it.
by tafkasam on Sep 30, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s keep these guys for another year or two, and if they are still unhappy then give them the boot (unless we can get something of equal or similar value in return).
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Sep 29, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
U must be one of them
dude, no disrespect to you, but if a female tells me just doesn’t want me and wants to find a new man in a new place but until then she would stay in my crip, I would be like hell no, go ahead and peace out. It is really simple, if they dont wanna play for you then they going to do all they can to avoid being on court, you sell your stocks when they are high. If we start this season with this group and they numbers end up mediocre, u wont get anything worthy in return.
Jackson had his best year last year, Ellis was ok and fully healthy, sell them now and trade them for anyone like Tmac or Redd. Jackson and Ellis are way over payed if u get someone like Dallas to take them, you should do it in a heart beat. (Btw, I do think you were one of the guys who kept jocking Ellis stats when it is now clear he is a prima donna lol)
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sell your stocks when they are high.
Which is precisely not now.
p.s. nitpick, but would it kill you to spell “Warriors” right in your sigline? (Not talking about the extra A’s, talking about the French-style O before I…)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U another one
Wow, thanks for making my job easier, I dont have to find all those kool aid drinkers cause u must be one of them. As far as stocks high comment, listen NBA teams know that Jackson and Ellis wanna be traded but tell me which team would trade for them in the middle of the season before the trade line if any of them gets injured. Sell them now when they are still healthy. Like I said, teams remember Jackson had his best year last year, I dont see him having better numbers than that so the stock still high as far as stats, Ellis was ok a team might take a chance on him. Come on, if we start the season with a losing record by mid season, Jackson and Ellis wont be worth anything.
Btw, don’t worry abt my sigline worry about your mental condition since I been saying all summer that we need to get rid of Ellis, n kool aid drinkers like you and others were attacking me as if I hurt your feelings, dude I forgive u all u gotta say is that you hate Ellis now. Lol
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before you get all dramatic on us.
Need I remind you that not once last year did our entire squad get to play with each other all together in a game. NOT ONCE! Can you at least give them a shot to play together before you start jumping to conclusions? None of us have even seen what this squad can give us when together and healthy and you’re already talking about trading away all our best players? Don’t judge a book by its cover. So can you at least let the regular season start and rate our team after 15-25 games before you start running your mouth? If they’re losing alot, then yes, it’s time to reevaluate, but if they win, then what? Then you look like an ass. Like bick said below me, winning can solve alot of problems in sports.
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by JustSomeName on Sep 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before you get all dramatic on us.
Er… I think that train left the station long ago… ;-P
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drink the kool aid too
Dude, I m sorry to spit out to u, I don’t need a crystal ball to see where is this thing heading, the signs r very clear it’s like a biblical revelation. I don’t know why u doing this to yourself 25 games lol, this team will have losing record by that time, they can’t win period. Jackson, Ellis, Maggette are cancers to this team just cause thy got nothing to play for, dude tells u I m winner I don’t wanna be a loser means he expects a losing season, I bet all three would laugh at your comment just like as I am. Stop drinking da kool aid n realize that this team is dysfunctional.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He made no statement about the team being dysfunctional or not, stop putting words in his mouth. He simply said the team should wait 15-25 games before deciding to blow it up. That’s a very reasonable suggestion.
Thing C
by markdash on Sep 29, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone here to see you, Dash…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MarkDash, wow b4 u comment please read what I said clearly, u must be drinking the kool aid too lol. I never said that he said that this team is dysfunctional so what r u talkin abt? I never put words to anyone’s mouth matter fact u guilty of blaming for the same act u claim I m doing wow this hilarious. Dude if I hurt ur feeling my bad but let me say what Jackson said when they asked him if there is any optimism in this team, his answer was what’s optimism lol. 25 games I can’t wait to call u out n other kool aid drinkers around here. Dash learn to read n then click reply with something meaningful.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
learn to read
Haha. Funny thing is that I’ve actually attempted to read most of your posts in this thread, puffylove, and I honestly think I can only decipher about 5% of what you’re saying. Here’s what basically every one of your posts looks like to me:
wow … lol … u stop drinkin da kool-aid … Monta … lol … u [ad hom insult of some kind] … I wuz right … lol … kool aid … u wuz wrong … Monta … u r [another ad hom] … kool-aid … lol … [straw man of some kind] … kool-aid … Jackson … lol … kool-aid … waaaaroirs
Is there a point here? Does anybody have a Gibberish decoder ring?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gebberish lol what a joke!!! I am as clear as it gets, all summer u and your kool aid buddies were hyping Ellis to be the messiah for this team. I was the most critical person pointing out to that we should trade Ellis cause he is not worth 11 mill a year, some guys will pull up stats other would say Ellis is better than Tony Parker I heard it all. Now it is clear this dude got his money and the innocent young kid is all of sudden man enough to bite the hands the fed him, he doesn’t
Gibberish, what a joke? You must be reading on the kool aid just like your buddies been all summer. Some quoting Ellis stats others comparing his numbers to Tony Parker, all I was trying to point out was that Ellis is overpaid and we should trade him but you and your bodies kept saying that Ellis is our teams savior. Dude relax and read I am as CLEAR as it gets, Ellis is playing the same thing Jackson is playing on this organization. They both dont care about this organization since they got what they wanted, just wait and see what happens, both Ellis and Jackson are going to get traded I can guarantee that then come back and keep saying that I am speaking gibberish when I am revealing the truth about Ellis.
FYI for you, I use shortcuts don’t mean I that I am talking gibberish. Jamarcus Russell is gibberish speaker not me, but I guess the kool aid is affecting your brains, drink more Ellis will remain your savior as he ruins the soul of this team. Lol dats gibberish typing now.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 30, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U lucky I m typing from my cell but tomm I will dig the archives and show how naive you were defending Ellis. Now keep drinking the kool aid until tomm lol Ellis is your savior I heard it all summer wow. I should call u Sleepy Fraud for your opinions, do you still offer your customers cash for clankers?
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 30, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here let me copy n paste the statement I said " Stop drinking da kool aid n realize that this team is dysfunctional"
I m pointing out a fact so please enlighten me when did I say that JustSomeName is saying that this team is dysfunctional?
Dude slow down on the kool aid, Ellis n Jackson don’t wanna be here cause they r winners n this team is a loser. U should know by now we been to the playoff ones in the last 15 yrs. Start the rebuilding mode again. Lol
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers won a championship
with a female that told them she didn’t want them.
by 54 wasn't THAT long ago on Sep 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certain Warriors are having a mid-life crisis
Certain Warriors are having a mid-life crisis. Don’t over-react.
by toddaverth on Sep 29, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta is Untradeable... because he's THAT good!
Winning has a way of solving most problems in sports. I see the Warriors winning games this year and any player discontent disappearing. Monta is untradeable because he’s THAT good. I’ll take quickness over size at the guard position any day. Heck, start Curry on CP3 on Oct. 22nd and let Monta “motor” on offense. Let our young squad gel. Starting lineup: Beans, AR, Wright, Monta, Curry. This gives us length up front and quickness back court with instant offense (Morrow) off the bench.
by bick on Sep 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry dude
Ellis said we can’t play together, why ? Cause I can’t see us wining that way. Meaning the first game Warriors lose with Curry and Ellis playing at the same time, the locker will be divided in half. I am not sure, if u understand the importance of team chemistry. If not, I can point out to you when two or three (I m counting Ellis, Jackson and Maggette who will join the axis of evil) starters are against the organization, you end up with dysfunctional team. Just ask the next door team the Raiders what happened when Randy Moss and Jerry Porter weren’t on board with bed and breakfast offense. OK, if you don’t wanna ask the Raiders ask Indiana Pacers whom wanted to get rid of Artest, Jackson, Al Harrington, Tinsley why? It resulted in unhappy dysfunctional team.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not about discontent, about size...
I read no discontent into Monta’s comments. He talks about small size at the guard position can’t win. I think he’s wrong. The coaching staff seems up for the challenge of making it work. :-)
by bick on Sep 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he should have said was:
It would only work if ….. and that is what the camp is about, to see if it would work or not.
by mosdl on Sep 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody wants a fine
Bick, man nobody would wanna come out and say I wanna get traded openly, I believe already notified the team he wanted out of the Warriors and that’s why Nelson (who is the real GM and controls everything) discussed trading him to Dallas. Btw, read the Mercury news here is what it said “Their best two players are the most disgruntled…and they’re also both much smarter than Warriors management”. I guess they are also smarter than some fans who kept saying give them the money we can be a playoff team with Monta coming back healthy, haha what a joke.
Monta Ellis may ask out of the #Warriors too soon, via some1 in his camp. Still bitterness on both sides from the mo-ped fiasco.
— Jonathan Abrams
@ Jpdabrams – NY Times Sports Reporter
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Sep 29, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, read the Mercury news here is what it said "Their best two players are the most disgruntled…and they’re also both much smarter than Warriors management".
Who wrote this? If it’s Tim Kawakami, go to google and type in Area 51. You’ll find plenty of Tim Kawakami-esque information there.
by VERY VERY BUSY on Sep 29, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fans wanted to give sjax money?
Doubtfull.
by mosdl on Sep 29, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IS IT POSSIBLE....
To have Mike Singletary coach the 49ers and Warriors???
by BarnettBeBallin on Sep 29, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+10000000
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Sep 29, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha that is pure genius.
I really do see the Warriors greatly overachieving and loving each other under Samurai Mike.
by Run Dubz on Sep 29, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Want Winners!!!!
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 29, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of SPIN! But................
I have to say….Monta’s whole attitude has been a massive concern of mine for a long time. He went from young kid shooting the lights out to “gangsta tattoo wearer that thinks he is the da man” in one season… as soon as he signed the fat pay check…. the stupidity began…
He is clearly good mates with Harrington and probably Jackson too, and it is clear all the talk has been about Randolph, Curry, Morrow and hardly a mention for Ellis. He (Ellis) stated quite arrogantly that he see’s himself as the natural leader of the team toward the end of last year yet he has done nothing to engratiate himself with the other youngsters in fact he just kicked one in the balls..
His people made it very clear to all that would listen that he felt he was dealt with too harshly after “Mopedgate” when what he should have done was step forward and apologise profusely for screwing our season up….. then shut his pie hole and done everything in his power to show how truly sorry he was…but no…he chose the sulky route..
In short….the boy has become what seems to be an arrogant young man that is in dire need of some personal coaching and I can easily believe he thinks he is the next greatest thing and therefore is not feeling “appreciated” enough right now.
Respect has to earned young Ellis….and YOU have a long way to go before you earn any further respect from this fanbase… actions speak louder than words and maybe this is all usual TK fantasy land stuff….BUT I suspect not…
Could we be seeing the start of a mega trade involving Ellis and Jackson together, along with the first round pick in 2010 and maybe a couple of our expiring contracts???? That alone probably gets us a pretty damn good player back who may be excited to play with our new young guns!
If however all this comes to nothing…. I have every suspicion that Jackson and Ellis will play, the Warriors will be hanging around the 8th playoff spot again and THEN they will trade Ellis and Jackson to a team contending for a championship run…. possibly someone like the Magic? We would probaly then take some expirings back to be in a position to be a BIG player in the 2010/2011 FA merry-go-round….
So this may not happen now…or it might…. but either way…. its a “growth” year again… with lots of cheap ticket deals to be had as the season goes on I suspect!….
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 29, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I pretty much agree
He’s done nothing to be part of the team, and apparently was practicing with Jax all summer. I think you’re being a little positive on two points, though:
Could we be seeing the start of a mega trade involving Ellis and Jackson together, along with the first round pick in 2010 and maybe a couple of our expiring contracts???? That alone probably gets us a pretty damn good player back who may be excited to play with our new young guns!
Probably something like T-Mac’s expiring contract… we’re not getting anything really good for two malcontents.
I have every suspicion that Jackson and Ellis will play, the Warriors will be hanging around the 8th playoff spot again and THEN they will trade Ellis and Jackson to a team contending for a championship run…. possibly someone like the Magic? We would probaly then take some expirings back to be in a position to be a BIG player in the 2010/2011 FA merry-go-round….
After all the bad press our FO has gotten, what makes you think any FA will consider signing with us unless we give him a contract that overpays them even more than Sam thinks Maggette’s overpaid (e.g. Give boozer $100M/5).
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 29, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for saying this.
People right now tend to fall into the “Monta is stupid, the moped incident proves it, he should go” camp or the “Monta is so good at basketball that he should never be traded” camp… but you got it completely right. This has absolutely nothing to do with how good Ellis is or the whole moped thing, it’s all about attitude. If Ellis is going to have the same attitude as Jackson, you absolutely cannot keep them long term and expect to succeed.
One of the major problems I have with their attitude is that they always say the NBA is a business. However, they form a little clique (Jackson, Harrington, etc) and they only hang out with each other and talk about how awesome the playoff run was when they all played together… but that isn’t very business-like. You should be friends with the people you work with, but if one of them gets fired for not performing his duties, you can’t go tell your boss that you don’t like the direction the company is going in, or you don’t think you can work with his replacement.
I’m not saying the front office isn’t at fault at all, I’m just saying it isn’t up to the players what direction the organization goes in. Now, the organization should take the players suggestions into account, because if they want to keep players they will have to please them, but once they’re committed they can’t just back out when something they don’t like happens (i.e. not trading for Amare, drafting Curry). The problem is that both sides are at fault! The front office doesn’t do enough to keep our good employees happy, and the good employees complain too much about how their superiors operate the business.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Sep 29, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Ellis is going to have the same attitude as Jackson, you absolutely cannot keep them long term and expect to succeed.
In fairness: how great was Kobe’s attitude?
I see your points, but the bottom line is that if Monta could distribute the ball as well as Ramon Sessions, and Jackson could rebound as well as Renaldo Balkman, we could start printing our playoff tix now, and the mood around here would be a whole lot less pissy.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 29, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that’s the whole point, isn’t it? The problem isn’t that Jack is causing drama; the problem is that we’re getting MVP-sized drama from a roughly league-average starter. Jack is badly misunderstanding his place in the NBA universe.
If Kobe acts like a boner and points to his four rings, Laker fans shrug and say, “fair enough.” But Jack is basing his demands on the leadership and winning he displayed in… one second-round playoff appearance? Ye gods. It’s one thing for fans to wax poetic about “We Believe”… it’s embarrassing to see the players do it.
I’m not yet convinced that Monta should be painted with the same brush as Jack. But Jack’s acting like a fool… he’s not nearly good enough to make this much noise. If he could rebound like Renaldo Balkman, he’d be much more justified in speaking out.
by onlxn on Sep 29, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jackson can point to his ring too!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Sep 29, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and say, “Tim Duncan got me this ring! Now there was a guy who bragged about his leadership role and demanded a trade when things weren’t going his way.”
Or not.
Thing C
by markdash on Sep 29, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem isn’t that Jack is causing drama
Jax isn’t causing any drama, he just explaining his feelings. The hysterical fans are making it into the big DRAMA. If we din’t know this talk was happening we’d all go to opening day and be fine. They’ll toss up the ball and Jax and Montay will play like they would have no matter what was said so the old ladies among us are getting all puffed up about nothing.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 29, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jax isn’t causing any drama, he just explaining his feelings. The hysterical fans are making it into the big DRAMA.
The problem with this theory is that Jax explained his feelings at Media Day. And ESPN.com deemed it dramatic enough to make it the fourth-listed story on their home page at one point yesterday.
You may be right that people are overreacting and that this will all blow over — in fact, I think it probably will. But this is not a case of people “getting all puffed up about nothing”. This is a story because Jack wanted it to be… the drama is coming directly from him, not some hyperventilating fans.
by onlxn on Sep 29, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is a story because Jack wanted it to be
A’men owen. We’ll see what comes out about it, but Jax is clearly “playing the game” here.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 30, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe is the boss of the Lakers, so he doesn’t count. :P
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Sep 29, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The solution for the Lakers wasn't making Kobe a better player
It was trading for Gasol, Odom becoming a better player, Bynum becoming… whatever he is, and everybody else finding a role.
The team got better, despite Kobe’s antics because the FO and other players were professional about it. The FO didn’t want to trade him for 70c on the dollar, so they held onto him to see if they could get a better deal or make it work. It worked because the rest of the team came together, did their job, and didn’t turn on Kobe because he dissed them (seriously, though, they couldn’t turn on Kobe because they already knew he was an a-hole and were already in “jeez, I hate playing with this guy, but whatever, I’ll take my millions” mode).
Now, how does this apply to the Warriors? If Randolph blows up, Biedrins brings his lunch pail for 35MPG and keeps up his per 36 numbers, Curry slides into a back up point role (but deferring to Monta), Kelenna & Morrow keep up their 3pt barrage, Jax starts focusing on defense instead of trying to be the playmaker, and Monta is a capable PG, we’re set (i.e. if we have a good team that’s winning). If not, Jax & Monta will continue to be a problem.
Winning cures all woes, in basketball, in football, sports in general, and life. If we’re winning, the FO actually looks like a savvy group who kept together a solid core despite a lot of incentive to do otherwise.
If we’re losing, the FO & players look like sorry, unprofessional cry babys and nitwits. If they hadn’t caused the drama, they’d look like sorry, boring nitwits. Is one really any better or worse than the other? Frankly, I’ll take the drama… at least it’s something to pay attention to other than the losing.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 30, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the major problems I have with their attitude is that they always say the NBA is a business. However, they form a little clique (Jackson, Harrington, etc) and they only hang out with each other and talk about how awesome the playoff run was when they all played together… but that isn’t very business-like. You should be friends with the people you work with, but if one of them gets fired for not performing his duties, you can’t go tell your boss that you don’t like the direction the company is going in, or you don’t think you can work with his replacement.
This is very well put, and while I’m not convinced it’s totally applicable to Monta (all we really have to go on here is his point that two tiny guards will have defensive problems, which I agree with), it sums up why Jack’s histrionics have been annoying me. I’m usually sympathetic to the player in a dispute with management, but Jack’s talking out of both sides of his mouth… the cold it’s-a-business-stuff and the me-and-Al-are-BFFs stuff don’t mesh well together.
I’m guessing a lot of this will settle down once they start actually playing basketball, but it’s really tone-deaf stuff from Jack, and it’s making him look silly. Thanks for putting your finger on that.
by onlxn on Sep 29, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jack was promised to have help added to the team (Amare) but it fell through and Jack wants out. I still think we may have a few moves up our sleeves.
We have been getting expiring contracts and first round picks back and hopefully we will use them in combination with Andis to come up with a Bosh/Amare All-Star caliber player.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Sep 29, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the major problems I have with their attitude is that they always say the NBA is a business. However, they form a little clique (Jackson, Harrington, etc) and they only hang out with each other and talk about how awesome the playoff run was when they all played together… but that isn’t very business-like. You should be friends with the people you work with, but if one of them gets fired for not performing his duties, you can’t go tell your boss that you don’t like the direction the company is going in, or you don’t think you can work with his replacement.
Actually, firing the wrong guy can in fact result in exactly the sort of complaining and poor work environment we are seeing with Jackson. I’ve watched it happen around me at a company I used to contract for; part of the problem actually: too many contractors at too many different levels from too many different companies. People were scared, saw leadership making moves they didn’t trust or understand, and everybody felt like they had to look at for themselves. People were actively seeking other jobs and/or doing stupid stuff to get themselves fired (possibly deliberately, possibly just because they were not thinking straight.) Sounds a bit like the Warriors this past year.
by toddaverth on Sep 29, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that what unions are supposed to protect though? And don’t the players have a union?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Sep 29, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see the general point, that a union (or frankly, a good manager and/or HR department) can help to deal with these sorts of issues. I don’t think we are going to see the NBAPA step in for Jackson and fix this. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they’ve got player reps talking him down from his public statements. But I doubt it.
Hopefully it isn’t necessary because Jack works hard just like he said he would and the Warriors play well enough that he isn’t upset any more.
by toddaverth on Sep 29, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some east coast scrub tweets that Monta MAY ask to be traded and you all act like a freakin 3 alarm fire. What if I tweet that Monta says he loves being a warrior and plans on staying for the next 5 years. Oh wait,, thats what Monta said yesterday. Maybe that should be the post. Back away from the ledge everyone.
by crab dribble cocktail on Sep 29, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Back away from the ledge everyone.
haha, Yeah cause if you jump me and the crab aint gonna catch y’all.
I think someone needs to drink lots of vodka , build a campfire in the hotel room, and go throw up in the airport ?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 29, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bench them now...send them to anyone silly enough to
take them!
Warriors will be a better team without them. Selfish egos are not needed….especially stupid egos who can’t see themselves.
Let the positive attitudes of Randolph, Morrow and Curry should lead this team.
by deja8 on Sep 29, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome!!
as ive said a million times last season… V O I D
my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"
by VonteegoCummings on Sep 30, 2009 1:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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