Around the Association: 2009-2010 Chicago Bulls- Ring Around the Rose-y
After bumpin' atlantaplayalisticcadillachoopz, chillin' out to Anything is Possible by K-Boogie, and recognizing that the BETcats do exist, we turn our attention to the house that MJ built.
Jump for a look at the 2k9-2k10 Chicago Bulls.
The biggest story of the Bulls' previous season was a young man with a very interesting strategy to boost his SAT score- kids don't try that at home. Truth be told on draft day 2008 I actually thought the Bulls should have taken Michael Beasley. It's still early, but right now I don't think anyone's questioning their selection of the 2008-2009 NBA Rookie of the Year Derrick Rose.
I was perusing trusty old Basketball Reference and this rookie comparison popped out at me (highs across 3 players bolded):
- Rookie PG A: 16.1 ppg (43.0% FG, 28.2% 3pt, 84.7% FT), 7.8 apg : 2.3 tov, 5.1 rpg, 2.2 stl
- Rookie PG B: 16.8 ppg (47.5% FG, 22.2% 3pt, 78.8% FT), 6.3 apg : 2.5 tov, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 stl
- Rookie PG C: 10.8 ppg (42.1% FG, 41.6% 3pt, 70.4% FT), 4.5 apg : 1.8 tov, 2.4 rpg, 0.8 stl
Based on their rookie stats how would you rank these 3 rookie PG's NBA futures?
A is Chris Paul, B is Derrick Rose, and C is Deron Williams. I'm not really sure what or how much to read into that, but interesting to say the least.
Last season CP3 and DWill were mighty impressive (in case you weren't living on hoops planet NBA):
- Chris Paul: 22.8 ppg (50.3% FG, 36.4% 3pt, 86.8% FT), 11.0 apg : 3.0 apg, 5.5 rpg, 2.8 stl
- Deron Williams: 19.4 ppg (47.1% FG, 31.0% 3pt, 84.9% FT), 10.7 apg : 3.4 tov, 2.9 rpg, 1.1 stl
(Side note does hoops nation realize that the "bigger and stronger" Williams is a far inferior rebounder to the "smallish" PG with two first names? Pretty amazing.)
I'd rate these two as legitimate superstars in the league for years to come and I think most would agree- even the delusional and low IQ masses of LA Laker fans (sorry had to get that in there after being surrounding by the Faker-ness during my recent excursion to SoCal aka Shallow Cal). The question everyone in Chicago and around the association should be asking themselves is does Derrick Rose got next? It'll be interesting to see if he make that leap. I know I'm curious.
Call me skeptical though. First thing's first he has to take much better care of the rock. That 7 game 1st round series and all those insane OT's with the Boston Celtics last spring was absolutely thrilling. But one thing stood out in my mind while watching that series. Sure Rose was scoring a ton, but he was an absolute turnover machine. If I remember correctly there was one game in the 4th quarter where he had an unfathomable number of turnovers in a row and his coach was hesitant to let him even bring up the ball. He simply could not take care of the rock and make good decisions- a critical element for any NBA PG. Take a look at his turnovers in that series against Boston:
- Game 1: 5 turnovers
- Game 2: 2 turnovers
- Game 3: 7 turnovers
- Game 4: 7 turnovers
- Game 5: 6 turnovers
- Game 6: 5 turnovers
- Game 7: 3 turnovers
(He'd sure fit right in with the young and dumb turnover prone 2008-2009 Golden State Warriors!)
This is the PG ROY we're talking about. Maybe it was an anomaly and maybe it shouldn't be as big of a precaution as I'm making it out to be, but it still makes me wonder. We shall see soon enough.
Rewinding 2k8-2k9 Season: 41-41 - Lost to Boston Celtics in absolutely thrilling 7 game series (minus KG)
Projecting 2k9-2k10 Season: 40-42 - 1st round exit with less OTs than the previous season.
I honestly don't see how the Bulls really improved this offseason. They lost Ben Gordon to free agency (I give the Bulls props for not trying to ink him to anything like the Detroit Pistons silly 5 year $55 million deal) and although I'm not a huge fan of his game his absence will make things tougher for Rose and crew.
To make a leap forward or even maintain their .500 record of a season before, the Bulls are going to need a major trade a la Carlos Boozer (but don't count on it- the Bulls have repeatedly shown a complete inability to pull off a trade for an All-Star caliber player the past few seasons even when it seemed like the player was theirs for the taking) or some in-house development (but we've been hearing that for years from guys like Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, and if you want to b e strict Joakim Noah). I expect Rose to continue to progress, but that improvement will most likely only begin to account for the Gordon loss.
Unfortunately it appears the Bulls are saturated with fairly middling young talent. No future All-Star/ All-NBA appearances seem to be in sight for the Bulls young core of Deng, Thomas, and Noah. They're nice players, but not the kind you build around. The Warriors analogy would be Andris Biedrins, Kelenna Azubuike, and Brandan Wright (being extremely generous with that one).
Despite the shortcomings of this roster the 2009-2010 Chicago Bulls are pretty much destined for a low playoff seed thanks to the Leastern part of the Eastern Conference. That's all fine and dandy until you realize that this means a date with the Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, or Cleveland Cavaliers.
Gone Fishing- later than the lottery teams, but still pretty fast.
Golden Predictions
- Luol Deng picks up some of the scoring slack from the Gordon departure to Detroit by raising his PPG totals to his 2007-2008 17.0 ppg.
- The Bulls finally trade Kirk Hinrich- a fantastic defender, but mediocre at best offensive player who hasn't quite lived up to his big money deal.
- Jerome James matches his games played totals of the two previous seasons. (That's 2 games each season if you're counting at home.)
- Brad Miller pitches in a very solid 12 ppg, 8 rpg, and 3.5 apg.
- Joakim Noah draws a ton of boos in every away arena while approaching a double-double average with increased playing time.
- We give up any dreams of Tyrus Thomas being a star in this league. That's unfortunate because he can be pretty exciting to watch.
- John Salmons continues to be the best player putting up 18 ppg that gets zero national media love.
- Derrick Rose raises his scoring average to 20 ppg, but still can't get his SAT score up without a little help from his associates.
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Chicago chose the right player
Rose is a facilitator in addition to being an exciting player. What more could you want? The odds of drafting another Jordan are as close to zero as you can get.
They will find big men to put around rose with no problem
Bulls prediction
I see the Bulls moving up a bit in the east. They made no improvements off-season but the late season additions of Salmons and Miller made them better than their 41-41 record at the end of last season. Rose will probably be substantially better. At the end of last year the Bulls were probably about as good as the Heat and the Hawks who were 5 and 4 seeds. Neither of those teams made any big improvements either and neither has anyone on the cusp of improving to all-star status like Rose (Beasley? Smith?). Bulls could easily leapfrog those teams. Thomas, Noah and Deng should benefit from Rose’s improvement as well although I’m not a Deng fan.
Rose is legit and his combination of Paul’s quickness and Williams’ strength plus more explosiveness and hops than either will put him in the elite pt guard group. He might be a stronger finisher than either of those guys and could get to the line more although he’s got a ways to go to rival their passing and leadership skills (may never quite get there).
They will be fun to watch especially if they play up-tempo with the athletes they have. That said, I agree with Atma that there’s something frustrating about Noah, Thomas, Deng- they’re pretty inconsistant and seem like they may never put it together to be really good players. I kind of like Noah of the three- he really improved when he started getting consistant minutes last year.
I predict 47 wins and a 5 seed although the Wizards and/or Raptors could get in the mix and make it interesting
by gsfool on Sep 4, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He might be a stronger finisher than either of those guys
I would think that Williams is a better finisher than Rose, but that’s just my two cents…
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by JustSomeName on Sep 4, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Williams is stronger, Rose probably quicker.
Williams didn’t contribute much his rookie year. Rose did.
Go to Blog-a-Bull, they are unhappy with the Bulls
GSW fans are Awesome. Chicago Bulls fans are pissed Paxson didn’t over pay for FA Ben Gordon. They think it will be a wasted year.
Sister blog Blog-a-Bull has this lede.
“Step1: Cut Payroll Step2: Profit! Step3: There’s supposed to be another step?”
Let’s give them Chris Cohan and give them something to cry about.
As a Bull fan
I’m honestly glad they didn’t pay Gordon. Theres a good number of Bulls fan that though B.G. was overrated… mostly because of the fact that hes only 6’2, can score, and can’t grasp the concept of defense.
Willams/Rose
Williams is awesome and may well be a better finisher now. I just think that Rose has almost Wade-like physical tools that could make him even more of a nightmare if you’re facing him at the top of the key with the game on the line.
I defenitely see some Wade in Rose
One key thing… their INSANE Quickness/dexterity/speed/whatever-you-wanna-call it.
I’d trade Anthony Randolph and Monta Ellis for Derrick Rose and Tyrus Thomas if I could.
Don’t hate me, but you can call me stupid.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions
Thats a close one...
but i think i might too. D-Rose will be a top 3 PG in the league for the next 10 years. Randolph will be a lot better then thomas, but will he be a top-3 PF/SF/anything? Will Monta? Great teams are built around superstars-and we don’t have one.
I'll admit I was sceptical of the pick
Personally, I would have taken Beasley first, and that would have been a big mistake. I think Rose is pretty legit.
Hit turnover rate wasn’t horrible during the year, so I’d probably say that his playoff numbers have something to do with Rondo guarding him.
Rookie, one year out of High school.
The kid played 1 year in Memphis and did very well under pressure in that 7 game series.
He’s got the eye-of-the-tiger.
Derrick Rose will be more than a superstar
He will be my husband. He might be the greatest to ever touch a basketball except for Michael Jordan and Earl Boykins.
Except that Earl Boykins was too short. If he were as tall as Greg Ostertag, he would have scored 400 points a game. Kind of like a super Vlade Divacs, but not as hot. Also I really liked Clarence Weatherspoon. If Turiaf was half as good as him the warriors would win the NBA championship every day. I’m not sure why we still have Erik Dampier, he was almost as good as Adonal Foyle. Let’s trade him for Antawn Jamison and Chauncy Bilups!!!
I miss PJCarlesimo. We need to hire Jerry Sloan.
Puzzled at the Whinning about Ben Grodon and Jerry the owner
Sister Blog Blog-a-Bull fans consider Bulls owner a cheapskate. 6 NBA titles and 1 World Series (he owners the ChiSox). and the guy is a cheapskate.
They is also a sizable group who think not over paying for Ben Gordon was a mistake. Detriot is not going anywhere with their over-salaried perimeter lineup.
Bulls have had a long series of failures starting in 1999-2000 when they tried to draft for size and use FA to sign stars. The NBA CHANGED how FA worked so their plan to buy talent failed. Bulls could not lure away good talent and the Chandler /Curry / Fizer / Crawford picks never panned out.
Rose is a godsend. A local product who wants to win and can pass the ball.
Paxson is one of the better GMs but you wouldn’t know it at Blog-a-bull. I wish we could switch franchises and give them all something to cry about.
No offense, GSOM-ers
but I don’t think I should lower my standards of fandom to the point where I’m saying ‘Hey, at least we’re not the Warriors!’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 8, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Absolute turnover machine"
He was playing in his 1st playoff series, being guarded by Rajon Rondo, an absolute ballhawk.
Let’s not forget that he averaged 46 minutes a game in that series. Did he make some bad decisions with the ball? Yeah, but his entire regular season proves he’s not careless with the ball. I don’t know why a 7 game sample size would indicate otherwise.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

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