Rumor: Three-way Warriors, Mavericks, and Bobcats trade "brewing" centering around Monta Ellis
by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 8, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
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Q: What happens when Don Nelson, Larry Riley, Robert Rowell, Chris Cohan, Mark Cuban, Donnie Nelson, Larry Brown, and Rod Higgins walk into a bar?
JUMP to find out the answer!
A: Maybe what David Lord from DallasBasketball.com says:
If there's really a possible three-way brewing between Charlotte, Golden State and Dallas, the tea leaves keep pointing me to Monta Ellis rather than Stephen Jackson as the marquee talent being discussed in that deal. A quickie look:
*The Warriors would be clearing out a huge unwanted contract...
*The Mavs' role would presumably be to forward "The Buck Shot'' and a cheap/expiring contract or two to the Warriors; then they would take some of the talent (and payroll) changing hands off the table, with Golden State's ultimate benefit being huge salary reduction and a No. 1 pick from Charlotte.
(Hat tip to our old buddy Tim MacMahon from The Dallas Morning News and his commenters)
Not that I'm against trading away Monta Ellis one bit- putting aside Moped Gate he's a very flawed NBA cornerstone-but primarily for a "huge salary reduction"? Sigh. We've seen this countless times under Chris Cohan's Warriors regime and the results haven't been pretty. A look at the recent past...
What happened after the Warriors dumped this guy for "huge salary reduction" right after WE BELIEVE?
A picture this good doesn't even need a caption.
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Barely missed the playoffs after making it on the last day of the regular season as the final seed, finally ending a 12 year playoff drough.
What happened after the Warriors dumped this guy for "huge salary reduction" right after that 48 win season?
Hope you're enjoying the "salary protection" R.R and company!
29 wins.
What will happen if the Warriors dump this guy for "huge salary reduction" right after the return of WE SUCK?
WE SERIOUSLY SUCK?
See a pattern? Ain't Cohanomics wonderful?
I can only promise you 2 two things: 1) the Charlotte Bobcats do in fact exist and 2) the curse of the Dampier on the Mavs is pretty hilarious to watch from afar if you lived through that dream team center tandem of Erik Dampier and Adonal Foyle during the earlier part of this century.
If you want to go Bobtastic check out Rufus on Fire.
If you can handle the Mav-ness check out Mavs Moneyball.
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This could be a huge problem
I obviously dont mind trading Monta, but when there is no existing talent to trade him for, you are taking a big gamble trading him for cap space and a #1 pick.
Maybe there will be an amazing PG available next year some how, otherwise, Cohan is saving money and planning on just sucking until he sells the team.
by warriorsvictim on Sep 8, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One can only hope:
Cohan is saving money and planning on just sucking until he sells the team.
Build up picks, fire everyone, and start from scratch. That’s what this organization needs.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Sep 8, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CRAP
I don’t want to net a Pau Gasol-like bounty for our best player.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Sep 8, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to net a Pau Gasol-like bounty for our best player.
Dude ! I’d trade Montay for Gasol any day?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 8, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think what he meant was getting back something like what they got back for Gasol (not much).
by Rob Kurz blocks Yao Ming on Sep 8, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate Pau Gasol?!?!?
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 8, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I get sad when people don’t get Skeptik’s jokes. Then I take my Kwame Brown rookie cards out of their protecive sleeves to sop up my tears. Then I feel guilty. Then Skeptik makes another joke and the cycle begins anew. You shouldn’t be confused, you should send me money.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 9, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you seem to have completely missed the point
but while we’re on the topic i HATE gasol!
1) he’s on the lakers.
2)he has floppy hair.
3)he sucks.
i think i’ve made my point…
don't watch court/cop show's. they're propaganda designed legitimize the criminal justice system, which is a factory that produces commodities for the privatized prison industry.
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Sep 9, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: you seem to have completely missed the point
Why, then, have you gone out of your way to sing the praises of Kwame Brown?
1) he’s not on the Lakers
2) he doesn’t have floppy hair
3) he kawme
I think you’ve made your point.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 9, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i’ve made my point…
That winning a ring sucks?
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 9, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a fit of completely emotional homerism...
If I have to play for Kobe’s Lakers to get a championship, I don’t want it.
by toddaverth on Sep 11, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
i’m not that against trading monta either. but it needs to be done to make the warriors a better team. and unfortunately, we cannot be sure that the front office has that intention.
just like trading crawford for expiring contracts… pretty pointless unless you do something with those contracts.
i know i should be used to it by now, but this organization is really starting to piss me off. you would think that making the warriors a better team will be priority number one. but it’s clearly not. and they’re really starting to take advantage of us fans’ pretty unconditional love and support for the warriors… all i want is a team that can make the playoffs. is that too much to ask?
by Run Dubz on Sep 8, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how would trading our best player make us a better team?
what trade with the mavs or bobcats would we receive a better player? None (No dirk/josh/kidd/wallace/etc.)
by Sol Dog on Sep 8, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, my sentence is ambiguous. i meant that IF the warriors make a move, it needs to be done with the intention of making them a better team, rather than some political/financial objective. i didn’t mean that trading monta will necessarily make them a better team.
by Run Dubz on Sep 8, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha!
yes, that’s way too much to ask. what you should be asking for is a buyer for our lowly team…
don't watch court/cop show's. they're propaganda designed legitimize the criminal justice system, which is a factory that produces commodities for the privatized prison industry.
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Sep 9, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voted w/Tony the Tiger (rip)
The Warriors were going to be bad with or without Monta, with or without Sjack. Unloading salary, big contracts, etc…could possibly mean Cohan is getting ready to sell this team. At this point:
The hope that the Dubs are going to be sold > Monta Ellis
Burn the forest down.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Sep 8, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Monta’s contract and Jackson’s contract are pretty significant. When healthy, Monta is a better player and he’s also about 7 years younger. Monta’s contract is big. Jackson’s contract is bad. Getting a mid-level 1st round pick and an expiring contract for a bad contract/decent veteran player is a pretty good return for a bad team like ours. Getting a mid-level 1st round pick and an expiring contract for one of our two or three “highest ceiling” young players who is signed to a fairly long term, not totally unreasonable deal isn’t a good thing even if it does indicate the end of Cohan ownership is near.
Thing A
by sam23 on Sep 8, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the level of that first round pick did bother me a bit. The point I was trying to make is that we are basically rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. It’s a sinking ship either way. Monta Ellis makes this warrior team go from 30 to…35? Maybe? Let’s just cast him off, use the cash we save for overseas scouting, and start all over.
And, while I have done absolutely ZERO research on the subject…I would think a “blank slate” team, with zero contractual obligations, would appear to be much more attractive to a prospective buyer. Heck, it could even be a prerequisite to the deal itself.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Sep 8, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the level of that first round pick did bother me a bit. The point I was trying to make is that we are basically rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. It’s a sinking ship either way.
Cant really argue with that. I’ll just beupset if at the end of this offseason the only big contract we’ve managed to shed is Monta’s. Perhaps the recent Jackson rumors got my hopes up too high but I really was starting to envision a Jack-less, Cohan-less, and maybe even Maggette-less warriors team by the end of the year with just a whole bunch of young guys with average to above average contracts flying up and down the court. If we finish the year with Jackson and Maggette here but Monta shipped off for next to nothing the only thing that could get me excited about the future of the team would be a new owner committed to putting a winning product on the floor.
Thing A
by sam23 on Sep 8, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m ready to go all-in with the youngsters. Our youngsters are actually talented, as opposed to nightly trotting out murphy, dunleavy, etc. This team is worthless as constructed, so lets get rid of the financial anchors and go for this awesome team:
a Jack-less, Cohan-less, and maybe even Maggette-less warriors team by the end of the year with just a whole bunch of young guys with average to above average contracts flying up and down the court.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Sep 8, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is worthless as constructed, so lets get rid of the financial anchors and go for this awesome team
Randolph (possiable star, probable starter)
Morrow (Possiable starter, probable 6 -7th man)
Beidrins (Starter)
Curry
…..and garbage, not too good of a team. Lets see what the front office does the rest of the offseason, my hopes are not high, but we will see. We are going to suck this year, I am just curios whether we are going to build for the future or if we are going to go all in for the 9th spot in the West.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Sep 8, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta Ellis makes this warrior team go from 30 to…35? Maybe?
More like 42 to 45 games.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 8, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the risk of falling into the sarchasm (wouldn't be the first time)...
You know the Suns won 46 games last year, right..? 42-45 games is nothing to sneeze at.
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by GameSix on Sep 8, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh..
This seriously hurts. Again, trading Monta isn’t the problem, if we get a great player in return. Like everyone was saying last year, it’s going to be awful to trade away Monta and watch him bud into an All Star.
Expiring contracts – great…but we HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM.
Maybe we’re clearing a path for LeBron to the Bay?
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by R Dizzle on Sep 8, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah right
what free agent would ever come here?
by Sol Dog on Sep 8, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we bother signing guys to long term deals?
The Dubs have to have the absolute worst record for signing guys to long term deals. I think the general rule around here is: If the Warriors sign you to longer than a 3 year deal, they will regret it in less than one year and look to trade your a**.
by chacabuco on Sep 8, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Long term deals make news,
Trading the guy away saves money.
by Noe_Valley on Sep 8, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am
against trading Monta. Thankfully, it’s only a rumor.
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by disguy on Sep 8, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
The front office is realizing that season ticket sales are really down and the only way they are going to go up is by freeing up some cap space and hoping our very young talented players can do their thing this season and attract a big time free agent to sign during the next offseason… Well at least I hope that’s what is going to happen. Lebron! Haha FML…
by bojangles408 on Sep 8, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Prequel
I thought all summer that the Ws tried to make some trade and found out they had less value to trade than they thought. Seems to me cap space and draft choices may be more valuable. I just don’t figure Nelllie being there if this is strictly about financial matters. I also don’t see him wanting to coach another bad team. I still believe they are trying to put a decent team on the floor. They paid Ellis too much; it’s a good move to move him. I like Jax but for the right move, I would move him as well. The right move would have to involve bringing a veteran who would be a better leader of this very young squad.
by Marques8 on Sep 8, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As the great Monta Ellis said himself...
"Listen, whatever it is about me leaving, wanting to go, I don’t want to play for Nellie — that never came from my mouth. I don’t know where they got that from, but I’m here for the next six years. I’m a WarriorS. I’m going to always be a WarriorS. Whoever put that out there did it because they wanted a story. I’m making it known right now that I’m a WarriorS. I love playing for Nellie. And I never said that, not one time. So you don’t have to worry about that…I’m here for the next six years. Only thing I’m worried about is getting back on the basketball court."
I will believe his words until the day I get moded.
No big deal to me because I been moded 37 several million times in my life.
He said we dont have to be a Golden State Worriers and we are supposed to believe everything a player says.
Oh wait. The issue is the front office wanting to get rid of Monta.
Okay…start to panic….
[ dramatic pause ]
NOW.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Sep 8, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Atma Bro!
If one of us posted this on a fanshot it would be pulled for being unsubstatiated or inadequately researched. This is weak at best and is nothing more than a rumor about a rumor. Think you should play by the same rules you set forth for the rest of the community or this place will become nothing more than a cesspool of bs.
by crab dribble cocktail on Sep 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
if one of us posted this on a fanshot it would be pulled for being unsubstatiated or inadequately researched.
I really doubt that
Thing A
by sam23 on Sep 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A wonderful observation...
I saw this rumor elsewhere this morning, looked into it & all I could think was what garbage. A rumor of a rumor is exactly right.
Then I come here, see Atma’s post & i immediatly think of what dude just yesterday had to say in response to his justification for taking somebody else’s post down:
FanPosts submitted on GSoM are hidden because they aren’t high enough quality and the original poster is asked to move it to a FanShot where it belongs. This is not an issue of restricting discourse, but rather a way to ensure the FanPosts continue to be a venue for high quality work here. I am very proud of the community submissions that do stay up in the FanPosts section. There’s some great work there and it reflects the many great voices populating this diverse community.
Atma… do us a favor & move ur post over to the FanShot queue where it belongs.
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by Dubs Wise on Sep 8, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Umm...
It’s a rumor. The info is going to be fuzzy. You might not like it, and you might not like the content of Atma’s post, but you can’t argue the inherent lingual quality of the post. It uses sentences, punctuation, etc. It even has captioned images. It’s not just some jumbled mess of words with a “whadda u tink???” at the end.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 8, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My first reaction to this rumor is that it sucks…..really bad. The B-Cats could be a pretty decent team this year, and I the guys picked in the middle of the first round are usually right around Marco Belinelli’s talent level. I’d be fine if we were getting ready to really suck by dumping Jackson or Maggette for this kind of return, but if Monta is healthy his contract isnt bad, why are we so desperate to dump it? Ugh. I know Riley hasn’t scored many points with most GSoMers so far but this would be the the first move he makes that would have me really down on him.
Thing A
by sam23 on Sep 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1,
well we havent made the trade yet. One thing that bugs me on this site is people always say ‘do you want to trade…(insert player name).’ I am willing to trade any player on this team if the return is high enough. Monta for a 1st rounder and salary relief? Not worth it for me, but its no secret that Monta and Curry probably wont be a successful backcourt combo and that Nelson loves his new toy more than his older damaged toy.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Sep 8, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless that #1 draft pick turns into John Wall, I hate the idea of trading away Monta. He has the talent to become an all-star and he hasn’t even reached his prime. I know we will regret trading him if we do.
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by LostHawkGSW on Sep 8, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I’m not quite ready to dive headfirst onto the John Wall bandwagon but I wouldn’t be completely opposed to dealing Ellis for a potentially high draft pick and cap relief. The B-cats’ pick doesn’t look like its gonna be anywhere near the top 10 though. I guess we could make this deal and pray for injuries to Augustin, Chandler and Wallace.
Thing A
by sam23 on Sep 8, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bobcats are making the playoffs
so that is pick 15 or 16 (7th/8th seed in the east). Larry Brown always takes his teams to the playoffs year two (except for the stinking Knicks), and now he has a good defensive team just like he wants. Their pick is worthelss.
by Sol Dog on Sep 8, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we did make a deal with Charlotte. I'd propose this as a take it or leave it offer.
Monta & Jack
For:
DJ Augustin – I feel like if they pick up Monta and resign Felton, they could have their back court set. Augustin would be a tough sell, but again, this is my deal and they can take it or leave it. I can see Augustin being a great backup PG. We could potentially have our PG position locked down for the immediate future.
Boris Diaw – We need another decent player coming back if we’re trading the 1st, and 2nd-3rd best players. If we send Tay’ and Jack out, I could see a lineup of Curry-Azubuike-Maggette-Randolph-Biedrins. Have Diaw be the 6th man, or leave Maggette in that position.
Nazr Mohammed – Trade filler contract, expires in a year.
Alright, that’s my trade right there.
Charlotte probably turns it down, even though i personally feel we’re giving up an abundance of talent to Charlotte.
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by kenntoe on Sep 8, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take on another big contract and go shopping next year
How about the warriors just dump Monta (5yr/ 11M) and Jackson (4yr/ 7.5M) to Houston for TMac (1yr / 22M).
Granted Tmac might not play much this year but then you have 22 million off the books to try and go spending in the offseason. I know there would be some other logistics with the deal and Houston not wanting to take on so many years of bad contracts. What do you guys think?
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Sep 8, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
downside
Who wants to come here? If we could clear 22 mil in cap room and be somewhere between 25-30 under, tht’d be great. but we wont attract any a or b list free agents.
Sure if clearing room to get amare/bosh and rondo was in the cards i’d do it and touch out a bad year. But it wont happen
by tafkasam on Sep 8, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do it
-Lose a Big Contract
-Lose the potential to having an even worse defensive backcourt
-1st Rounder gives us trade flexibility
-Will let us be players in this free agency
-Will let us see Curry better
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by ejdacanay on Sep 8, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
-Lose the potential to having an even worse defensive backcourt
It might not be the players, but the coach at this point.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Sep 8, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s all 3 haha.
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by ejdacanay on Sep 8, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Monta now is stupid for one major reason
his value could NOT be any lower now. good teams trade players when they are perceived high, they don’t sell low.
but then again Warriors aren’t a good team
by tafkasam on Sep 8, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta gone???
Will my wish come true? Stay tuned…
by Golden Boy on Sep 8, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again, consider the source: DallasBasketball.com. Doesn’t this seem like the folks involved with the Mavs are just trying to throw some rumors out there and cause some turmoil in an opposing team’s front office? Give me another source before I’ll worry about this.
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by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We need stability, not a teardown. Keep Monta!
What the Warriors need is stability, not never-ending trades and managerial changes that we have seen the last 15 years.
Monta is not a player we should trade. He’s a unique scoring talent that brings real excitement to the Oracle. The moped injury is now ancient history and young players can come back easily. MJ did. Monta actually has a good contract for his talent that doesn’t balloon.
But Monta is NOT a PG. Hence, we now have “Kid Curry” for that.
While I’m at it, and while I’d like to see Amare here, I would NOT trade Biedrins either who also has a good contract, defends, and sucks down rebounds. Things this team needs.
We already have other future young stars like Randolph and Wright and Morrow.
And Maggette has proven to be instant offense off the bench as a 6th man.
What we need is stability for the Warriors young guns to grow and gell together as a team. Imploding and starting over will only lead to another 10 years of misery.
When we lost Baron, we lost the teams identity. That, admittedly, is hard to replace. But I don’t want Monta trying to be a leader. That’s not his role or character while everyone tries to have him take that role.
by bick on Sep 8, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading Monta...
I really don’t have a problem with the idea of trading Monta, but why now and why for salary relief. You can do that anytime. If they really want to move him why not let him put up numbers for half a season and deal him at the deadline where we might get some value for him. Plus by then we’ll have a chance to see how Curry’s game holds up in the pros.
Of course this whole rumor seems to be based purely on speculation so I won’t worry about it at this point. Dumping him right now would be a real head scratcher though.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Sep 8, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course this whole rumor seems to be based purely on speculation
Come on, OM. Does this sound like speculation to you?
the tea leaves keep pointing me to Monta Ellis rather than Stephen Jackson as the marquee talent being discussed in that deal
Tea leaves are one of the most solid front office sources I know of.
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by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tea leaves also have medicinal purposes, such as for when Monta crashes another mo-ped.
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by Yoyo on Sep 8, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
At least he gave us fair warning. To me the mention of tea leaves basically reads as “I will now proceed to pull the rest of this article from my backside”. So, you know… at least he was being honest.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Sep 8, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question:
Is David Lord a baller or folder? I don’t trust ballers… fold all the way baby.
Seriously though, I’m terribly disappointed in the GSoM community that I had to scroll all the way down here before seeing a dissenting point of view. This is a Dallas blogger hoping that they can throw peanuts at the Warriors and BETcats and haul in a stud instead of an overpaid old guy.
Couple that with Atma’s hatred of the FO and our loudly demonstrated unwillingness to tolerate his posting of the tired old Kawakami rumor mill, and here you go.
Dallas fans are dreaming if they think they can throw crap at us and get back Monta. Next they’ll be suggesting Josh Howard and Dampier for Monta, Biedrins, and Randolph. I just hope I don’t have to see it on the GSoM front page.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 8, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite the mass Kawakami hatred, wouldn’t most people trust someone who is actually talking to the Warriors’ front office over some Dallas blogger wishing, hoping and reading tea leaves to come up with a story? Do we save all of our skepticism for TK and blindly trust any other rumor? My guess is that if this were a TK column, everyone would be jumping down AB1’s throat (unfair as that usually is) for posting another Kawakami rumor with no real sources. But I guess that since Kawakami didn’t say it, it must be true.
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by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more of a "we know the evil that is TK"
People will come around to the “Hey, Dallas bloggers have an even less valid rumor mill than TK.”
As for the “jumping down his throat” business, it comes with the territory. Don’t try to convince me for a second that Atma knows the kind of trash that TK is throwing out there. He’s been around long enough to see enough of TK’s conspiracy theories to know that TK’s just trying to get the scoop on something “really big” to move up in the sports world. Though, at least TK’s rumors are substantiated by actual accounts (no matter how twisted) from Warriors brass, players, etc. This Dallas guy is just looking at the… residue… left on his ball of TP after a wipe.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 8, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Warriors are consistently one of the youngest teams in the NBA, and that’s because they draft the guys, develop them, then let them walk away, or trade them away, so that they can get even younger, and save money.
No wonder players don’t want to be traded here… they know it’s not a permanent situation, and that they will be treated poorly by management. The team has no player loyalty… of course they had started it a little with Mulin, when he signed Foyle, Dunleavy and Murphy, but those were second rate guys… the stars that have come and gone from this team get shipped out.
by aBulldog on Sep 8, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Warriors wanted to save money....
They shouldn’t have given that DUMBASS contract to Corey “Black Hole” Maggette and shouldn’t have extended Stephen “Now that I have my contract I want a better team” Jackson. Giving away our (arguably) best player does not help one bit.
If we trade away Monta we might as well trade away Randolph, Biedrins, Curry and Wright for 2k10 first rounders so we can have a fresh rookie starting five… then do the same next season… and the next season… and the next season (etc).
This management team is INFURIATING!!!
by Mr. Monday Night on Sep 8, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup
If you trade Monta, you might as well trade Jackson to another team because they proved last season that they’re not that good without Monta….. and there’s no promise that they will be good next year when he returns.
Trade Biedrins too.
They’ll be left with Curry, Randolph and Maggette (who should be traded too, but wont because of his contract). If they could get a decent player, like Bosh for Biedrins and Wright, and then get someone or SOMETHING of value for Jackson (preferably a decent guard, or #1 pick as well), then you have the makings of a very good team, built for the future….
BUT I’M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS TEAM BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE…. CUZ THEY DO IT EVERY YEAR.
by aBulldog on Sep 8, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Just re-read the quotes. I think this is complete crap and nothing to get worried about. Monta is not going to be traded this offseason.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Sep 8, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me this thread is worthless and nothing more than a bloggers Idea
I found no real source reference in any link on this thread or to anyone claiming to have a source. The need for site hits makes rumors like this exist.
With that being said, this is a clearly RETARED idea, literally. If we are dumping salaries and going with young talent than Jackson and Maggette should be the Targets of discussion. So the “youth movement” would certainly involve Monta.
The only motive for this move would be that Cohan is trying to position for a sell and that finacial flexability may be attractive to potential buyers but in terms of making a franchise attractive to potential buyers Monta sits at the head of young talent and ticket sales. Therefore, this move would certainly be retarded and I see no logic or sound theory behind the idea of trading Monta for expirign contracts.
Again, this is just a rumor without substance, right? Why are we even discussing? We might as well talk about the possibility of landing Lebron or transfering the lachness monster into the SF bay.
by Balance on Sep 8, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone recommend any good sandwich spots in San Jose?
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http://www.tonypsd.blogspot.com/
by Tony.psd on Sep 8, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eric's downtown
kind of pricey though.
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by disguy on Sep 8, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
Where’s that at?
This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM
by disguy on Sep 8, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where’s that at?
Reminds me of this joke they tell in Boston.
Dude from the boonies goes to visit Harvard for the first time. Wants to see the world-famous Widener Library. Approaches a guy who looks like a Harvard student and says, “excuse me sir, could you tell me where Widener Library’s at?”
Student clears throat, turns up nose, and says: “Ahem, at Harvard we don’t end our sentences in prepositions.”
Guy says: “oh, I’m sorry — could you tell me where Widener Library’s at … asshole?”
Don't put your heart out on your sleeve when your remarks are off the cuff
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 8, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Student clears throat, turns up nose
Clearly a joke that wasn’t invented by a Bostonian. Should be written as such:
Dude from the boonies goes to visit Harvard for the first time. Wants to see the world-famous Widener Library. Approaches a guy who looks like a Harvard student and says, "excuse me sir, could you tell me where Widener Library’s at?"
Student clears throat, turns up nose peers down perpetually turned up nose, and says: "Ahem, at Harvard we don’t end our sentences in prepositions."
Guy says: "oh, I’m sorry — could you tell me where Widener Library’s at … asshole?"
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 8, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You like Zannato's Family Market??
McCoy Zannato, son, is one of my friends, and goes to my school. :)
by GSWarrior18 on Sep 15, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
I just tried Freshly Baked Eatery on 3rd. Sooo gooood. Peppered Turkey on sourdough, oh yes.
This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM
by disguy on Sep 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freshly Baked Eatery
Is that a chain? Is disguy a chick?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 9, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
asdf
How can anyone want to trade Monta Ellis or condone the Warriors doing it? All I ever hear on this place is trade this person and that person. Do you realize the chances of us gaining back the talent that Monta has through a draft pick is remote at best? All most of you wanna do here is go god damn trade happy and get rid of anyone not on a rookie contract. I know he screwed up with the mo ped thing but do any of you have first hand knowledge that he’s not the same player he was before he earned his contract? I didn’t think so. If Monta wanted out I wouldn’t blame him one bit, he’s been dicked around by the Dubs for a year.
The Warriors have a ton of young talent on this team, the only team in the NBA with as much young talent that I can come up with his the Blazers. Instead of either A) letting our young talent grow and play or B) trading our young talent for a legit veteran who can help out the younger guys all everyone wants to do is trade for a stupid #1 pick that we’ll screw up anyways and expiring contracts.
I’m sorry but I’ve had it with this organization if this BS goes through. I already refuse to spend a dime on the Warriors until something changes. I’ve put a enough dumb blind faith into this franchise just like a lot of you have and maybe the only thing that will change this situation is if all the fans stop giving the front office the benefit of the doubt and start making the crowds at Warriors games look like an Atlanta Hawks game. The fans basically take it up the you know what from the front office and we’ve let them do it to us for years because we still keep pouring into the arena and have sold out crowds even the we’ve been a horrible team 15 of the last 17 years. I’d like for it to change but I don’t think it ever will because people seem to keep wanting to waste their money on this team.
by JRich4MVP on Sep 8, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can Someone Help Me Out
Beside the 1st round pick what would the Warriors be acquiring in this deal? expiring contracts? If so who? Or a young player?
by nocal81 on Sep 8, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is not a rumor.
This is an Amateur GM coming up with a fake trade,
by Bob on Sep 8, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm still Amazed
at how many people think Monta has a horrible contract.
Sequence of events:
Monta signs contract (woo, this is great!)
Monta gets hurt (misses season, but should not effect his talent, at all. or the amount we pay him per year).
Monta magically has a horrible contract.
MONTA ELLIS IS NO WORSE OF A PLAYER NOW THAN HE WAS TWO SEASONS AGO WHEN EVERYONE SAID WE SHOULD DO NOTHING EXCEPT RESIGN HIM AT ALL COSTS.
I don’t understand how now he has a horrible contract. yet no one (I’m not talking about GSoMers) minds Ben Gordon’s contract, Charlie V’s contract, Maggette’s contract, Gortat’s contract, etc…..it just baffles me a weensy bit.
by bradyk2 on Sep 8, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just watched a game from two years ago on youtube.
He was the best player on the court. The things he can do is just amazing. I must admit that when he came back last year I was amazed at how good he was. I was impressed knowing full well at the time that he wasn’t at 100%. I guess it was sort of “out of site, out of mind” thing going on.
I don’t advocate trading Monta. He’s still the best we’ve got. I am eager to see how he could be without Jack around thinking he’s the #1, However. Monta needs to be the #1 man, and hopefully he knows it.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Sep 8, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many rumors have we seen regarding Monta
from DallasNews in the past year? Too many. How many have had any sort of relevance? None.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Sep 8, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable
Dude, life long Warriors fan. Wht is it they ALWAYS find a way to screw EVERYTHING up again and again. I’m staill upset about Gilbert Arenas getting away. Chris Mullin ?! How can you fire the only person that had things going somewhat well. The GSW’s don’t deserve the fan base that they have. After this season I’ll know if I will let the Warriors go. I can become a general fan of the game.
by PLUNJER on Sep 8, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallasnews is not a good source.
Until statements are made I don’t believe it. Who is his source? Trade machine?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Sep 8, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic! We are perpetuating a rumor about a rumor obtained from a bad source. Just what this site needs more of. I am sure if we look hard enough we can find a rumor about LeBron coming here.
by crab dribble cocktail on Sep 8, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just Listening To The Ticket In Dallas
I will attempt to find a link so until then take this with a grain of salt. But according to reports out of Dallas, and not Dallas News. I was just listening to The Ticket in Dallas on my computer and it appears that the Warriors, Bobcats and Mavericks are indeed in conversations in regards to a three team deal. The parameters of the deal seem to be this
Warriors Get: G- Gerald Henderson, G- JJ Barea , F- Boris Diaw, F- Shawne Williams and 2010 unprotected 1st round pick
Mavericks Get: G- Raja Bell, G- Dontell Jefferson
Bobcats Get: G- Monta Ellis and F- Brandon Wright
I am not sure if this trade is on the up and up or not. I just received this information on the radio from a possible Maverick beat writer. If this rumor is true i have a couple questions. First we are sending two players in exchange for four. So that brings our roster up to what? 17? Obviously this if true would be another prelude to more deals with the warriors. Maybe Jackson or Maggette? Plus we would be acquiring Charlotte’s 1st round pick this season, Gerald Henderson and their 1st round pick (unprotected) in 2010. along with a young PG in Barea and pretty good PF in Diaw. If this trade is the case well then we might just want to do it.
by nocal81 on Sep 8, 2009 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not a big fan of this.
If we lose Ellis, I want a star. Not Diaw
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Sep 8, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I actually like that deal… I don’t really want to see Wright go, but Diaw would be an excellent backup PF, and the Biedrins, Turiaf, Diaw, Randolph rotation is solid. We’d also get Gerald Henderson, a guard with size and defense, who could easily be paired with Curry in the long run. Barea becomes CJ Watson’s competition… Shawne Williams becomes a body on the bench.
I would definitely do this deal IF the idea behind it is getting younger and getting rid of contracts in order to sell the team. If Cohan is just continuing his cycle of dumping good players… then no thanks.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Sep 8, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is getting rid of Monta (24) and Wright (22) “getting younger”?
Any major move the Warriors make right now should involve trading a bunch of their “pretty good” pieces for at least one bona fide good player. This achieves the exact opposite. Blecch.
Don't put your heart out on your sleeve when your remarks are off the cuff
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 8, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note the "getting rid of contracts" part
That’s how this would be getting younger. I meant if this goes in combination with some other deals that get rid of Jackson (and my hopes Maggette). Also, Henderson is young (21) and I’m pretty sure the 2010 pick will be young,… Barea is only 25… Shawne Williams is only 23… Diaw is a whopping 27. Pretty sure when you take the average of 22, 24, 31 vs 21, 25, 23, and 27, the second group is younger.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Sep 8, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Jackson nor Maggette was involved in that deal. To add them into the average age in that trade is just dishonest. This deal makes us older.
Of course, this is before we even go into the fact that Monta and Wright are young and talented while the hodgepodge of mediocre we get in return is just young.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So basically...
We swap:
Monta + Brandan for Gerald, Barea, Diaw, S. Williams, and 1st.
The value scale would probably look like this:
1. Monta
2. Brandan (Maybe homeristic, I know)
3. Diaw
4. Henderson
5. 1st Round Unprotected
6. Barea
7. S. Williams
We’re giving up the 1st and 2nd or 3rd best talents for lesser talent. And for what? To clear salary for a franchise that may or may not be selling in the near-future? Why we would even be thinking about trading Monta before trading Jackson or Maggette makes little sense. Monta has the best contract going forward compared to the other two. He’s less of a health risk (imo, moped notwithstanding), is a lot younger, and is more efficient than Jack and roughly comparable to Maggette. He’s also another playmaker we’d be giving away. Last time I checked we need more playmakers, not handing them away. And I’m still hoping Bradan can break out with us, and not with another team. But, then again I sigh because I know that the likelihood of that outcome is vanishing more with every second Don Nelson is employed.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Sep 9, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For all those Ellis Hater...
If you guys think losing Ellis is the way i really don’t think so. He’s still young and show the ability to take over games.. Some of you guys don’t mind losing Ellis but i disagree, In my eyes he still is the best player in our team. Building around Ellis will be the best idea for warriors right now. You have a guy like Ellis that could create and draw attention for himself, throw morrow in to shoot some 3’s and Randolph and Biedrins doing the inside work , will definitely spread the floor , and don’t matter who our 5th guy is, whether its a PG or an SG depending if Ellis will develop the PG part, If you guys think he’s not PG Status, and not very defensive ,remember he is still young and can still untap some potential in those area. He is one of the reason why we went so far during the Upset we gave Dallas , Yes i would love to debate over this, Because if you a Ellis hater, well than i got Ellis back , and believe he will one day become something spectacular. People are mad because he fell of the moped and lied? or think he is not worth to keep , well watch warriors basketball more, he is an important piece . Why would people even suggest trading him for cap relief and getting a draft pick would be better? i feel agitated reading this , once again , believe in ellis, believe in the warriors. where there is a new season there is new hope, much love to warriors fan, i just needed to give my input about this.
I am the coolest. Go Warriors!!!!!!!
by Bonkers510 on Sep 8, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Want To Keep Ellis. Make No Mistake About That
But if this is the trade it would be kinda hard to turn away from. I will give you a couple reasons why. Once again i have no link or established information just heard it one the radio waves. I will again attempt to find a link.
- We Shed ourselves of 11 million per over 5 seasons. If i had any faith in this organization then this would be a great benefit to making the deal. But Cohan sucks donkey dong.
- Not only do we receive Charlotte’s 1st round pick in 2010 (most likely a top 10 pick), we receive their 1st round pick this season, Gerald Henderson, who will prove to be a darn good player in the NBA
- At the very least we receive two more expiring contracts in Shawne Williams and JJ Barea, both of whom do have some pretty good upside Barea more so.
- This would bring our guaranteed roster total to 17 which means that we will not enter the season with both Jackson and Maggette on the roster. Shedding another large contract.
- It also leaves us with 2 possible 1st round picks and nine, count it 9 expiring contracts. What this organization plans to do with them is another story. But remember we did acquire Baron Davis for two expiring contracts (Dale Davis and Speedy Claxton) so it does leave open the possibility of acquiring a start that many of us want.
All that said, i would examine this trade in depth if i was Riley. It does make sense, but i am under the belief that Ellis could be a building block for this franchise along with Morrow, AB and Curry.
by nocal81 on Sep 8, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few things.
We are unlikely to spend that $11M on a player or players more productive than Monta Ellis. Even before BW is tossed in, this deal hurts the team.
Charlotte’s pick this year is highly unlikely to be a top ten pick (especially if we hand them Monta for next to nothing).
How do you plan on shedding Jack or Maggs? You can’t cut them, so are you just assuming that we will somehow deal them for expirings because we have too many players on the roster? This is almost certainly not going to happen.
Basically, the suggested deal gives us a middling first round pick and salary relief in exchange for a highly productive player signed to a reasonable contract and a young, talented big. Awful.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
We Could Easily Trade Jackson
His contract isn’t as bad as you all want to believe. It’s under 8 million per for a player that averaged 20-6-5 last season and will do the same for the next 2-3 seasons. Maggette well that’s a hard contract to unload. I agree in regards to trading Ellis, i was just saying if this is the deal we MAY have to consider it. Considering something is like drinking flat beer, you don’t want to do it, you just think about it. I considered funny love with my ex. Did i? NO. It i just a consideration is all.
In this trade you discount the upside of both Henderson and Barea while forgetting the acquisition of another 1st round pick and expiring contract. Even with Ellis is Charlotte making the playoffs in the east? NO! So right there that is a top 12 pick!
Can i make one thing clear? I want Ellis on the Warriors right now and 3 seasons from now. I believe him to be one of our franchise cornerstones. But if this trade is true and comes up the Warriors must consider it for 2 simple points. We receive Henderson, who will be a very good player, an unprotected 2010 1st round pick and folks Charlotte isn’t making the playoffs. And salary cap relief. Just consider he deal. I am not saying make it.
by nocal81 on Sep 8, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d deal Jack for expiring contracts without hestiation. This alone should be a signifier about how difficult it will be to trade him. The issue isn’t that he makes $8M; it’s that he’s making it over the next four seasons. That’s a long time for a guy in his 30s. That deal doesn’t get cheaper as the years go by, but he’ll get less productive. I’m not confident that he’ll be easy to trade.
I’m also less confident in Henderson. I expect him to be a decent bench guard who can play a little defense. Barea is going to be a decent backup point guard and not much more. Neither of those players excite me.
Why so quick to discount Charlotte as a playoff team? They were very close last year and this deal certainly makes them better. There’s no reason to say that they couldn’t make the playoffs after this deal goes through. And the 12th pick is a middling first rounder, which is exactly how I described it above (when I did mention it; I did not forget about it).
I also notice that you make no mention of the loss of Wright. I’m not a huge Wright fan, but to completely ignore that he was included seems a bit short sighted. He should, at a minimum, continue to be a productive backup for years to come. I don’t want him traded for Boris Diaw.
I did consider the deal. I don’t like it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here, cap’n hack: consider eating this crap sandwich. I’m not saying do it. Just think it over.
Don't put your heart out on your sleeve when your remarks are off the cuff
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 8, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
They trade Bell and Diaw. That makes them better? That’s the first point. Secondly, Jackson has 4 year remaining on that deal right? At 7+ per he will average 20+ and 5-5 in the first two seasons, right? Then he will fall to lower levels and they will take that heat. Right? And in the fourth season he is your most valuable asset as an expiring contract. It isn’t like we are trading a 20mm per player who is scoring 5PPG. Two 20-5-6 seasons and one sub par season with an expiring contract is so worth 28 million+.
by nocal81 on Sep 8, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta and Wright are an upgrade over Bell and Diaw.
I really doubt that Jackson will maintain his current level of production for the next two years. He’s 31, not 28. This is not a secret and considering that his extension was pretty unanimously considered stupid, I find it hard to believe that we’ll be able to get a deal that clears him from our roster without requiring us to take on a bad contract.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for what it’s worth, Jack is making about $35.5M over the next for years. He makes more money each year and it climbs all the way to just over $10M in year four.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Sep 8, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond Golden State of Design... and than some!
http://www.tonypsd.blogspot.com/
by Tony.psd on Sep 8, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Probably would have stuck with HOPE as the subtitle, but it does illustrate what a great year from Monta means to this team.
by toddaverth on Sep 11, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god-someone sane is in here
I feel you dude-why is everyone hating On Monta so hard? Just a year ago he WAS OUR Franchise. Whats changed? He rode a moped? who cares, im sure all of you have done dummer things. He got punished, pouted a bit, got over it, and now is ready to lead his team. He was getting better and better towards the end of last season (basically a wash) and should be able to start dominating games again.
Expiring contracts are worth jack!!! They can’t play basketball, why do you want them? You act like your saving money or something. Or that the dubs will actually use them for something instead of “letting them expire”.
New season is new hope, and either way, all the haters will be cheering for monta just as loud once he throws down a breakaway dunk on some scrub big mans face next year.
by Sol Dog on Sep 8, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want
But I don’t like the guy. Why should I? We were already a team in question of making the playoffs last year, and then we gave this guy the key to our franchise along with a huge contract. He then does something that’s forbidden in his contract. So then he lies, and then never aplogizes for it. Instead, he gets mad at upper management and threatens to file a grievance for something he shouldn’t have done in the first place. I know I, just like a lot of other people, work very, very hard for my money. The money I work long and hard for, I renewed my season tickets, which were raised by the price from the previous year. I don’t see what’s to forgive him for. Us as the ticket buyers/fans paid some of our money just to see him argue about something he wasn’t supposed to do. And of course we’ll cheer if he dunks on someone. I know I would, because that’s 2 points for my team. Doesn’t mean I’ll like him though. I may change my feelings of him one day, but it won’t be the same from how I used to like him. I would happily trade Monta Ellis to the Queens for Kevin Martin any day. Kevin can do almost anything Monta can do, plus shoot threes consistantly.
by Golden Boy on Sep 9, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they really wanted to dump him for salary relief . . .
Wouldn’t they have just voided his contract at any point last year or at least reserved the right to do so?
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 8, 2009 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Best case scenario
A “small forward round robin” involving Jackson (to the Mavs), Howard (to the Cats), and Wallace (to the Warriors). Cats get a huge pile of salary relief to rebuild with; Mavs dump a malcontent who’s worn out his welcome and get an experienced GFIN playoff performer to complement Dirk, Kidd, and JET; Warriors get the best player in the deal.
In any case, nothing Dallas or Charlotte has outside of Nowitzki and Wallace is worth giving up Monta for.
Don't put your heart out on your sleeve when your remarks are off the cuff
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 8, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why won't he just the sell the team already?
It’s no secret that he’s going to so why not leave the players in place to atleast spare us?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Sep 8, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One Word
Ellison!!!! Ellison!!!! Ellison!!!! Ellison!!! Ellison!!!! Ellison!!! Ellison.
Get it?
Lets as the Warriors official fan site LOL lobby for Cohan to sell this team to Ellison??
Cohan?
C: Coward
O: Only
H: Helping
A: Another
N: NBA Team
by nocal81 on Sep 8, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this trade is possible.....
BUT I dont think it involves Monta….
Personally I think it is more than likely to be about Jackson…. The guy does not want to play here it seems?
If so…. back court for the Mavs of Kidd and Jackson? Combine those two with Dirk and co and the Mavs could well cause a few surprises…
I am sure Jackson would love to be back in Texas, and that line up may just appeal to all….
However if we trade Monta and get pretty much bugger all back in return….which is most likely…. holy crap… welcome to $8 tickets again in Club “with free vaseline” 200!!
It’s my belief there are serious efforts right now to find a way to offload Jackson…. I am sure we will find out in the coming weeks….
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Sep 8, 2009 11:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Some of you are too incompetent for words
If that above trade is the way its going down…you people cant be serious about it going through?
Please tell me that the ones that said they are for it are employed by the Warriors and are secretely posting on here.
Were you people also for the asinine trade of Marco for D George? That trade was trash x 10.
So let me get this straight….Warriors would get Barea (scrub), Henderson (scrub), Diaw (scrub), Williams (Scrub) and a Mid first round pick for Ellis and Wright??
Are you people insane???
“oh oh but were getting salary cap relief”
Who gives a flying f**k about salary relief. You people swear that any impact free agent is going to want to come here
“oh oh it will give Curry more room to shine” uh hello Curry has not played 1 minute in an NBA game so basically we dont know what we got in him. At least Monta is a proven 20 ppg scorer in this league.
“oh oh his contract is bad” ..um real warrior fans should know Monta is the only player on this team with the ability to score 25 a night. And who knows..he may just avg that this year and when you have a 24 yr old 25 ppg scorer 11 million is a steal.
If this was Jackson instead of Ellis Im all for it but not Monta. Monta should be considered a building block for this franchise and if this Front Office is too stupid to realize that then they dont deserve die hard fans like me.
If Ellis is traded for this garbage you can officially cut down the warriors fan base by 1.
by CSalMJS on Sep 9, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You people!! You people!!!
Rick Barry? Is that you?
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Sep 9, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok im over it...
im so sick of our front office putting these rediculous trades together to save Cohan’s yacht. I would rather have the team moved to South Korea then be as bad as the Grizzlies and the Clippers have been for the past 20+ years. Dont waist your time with being so optimistic with this team saying things like its gonna be good if we build around our young players with draft picks blah blah… Deep down we know that we are going to develop some nice talent and then when it comes time to pay them the money they deserve were going to give it to them, but then oh wait we changed our mind they arent worth it so lets just give them to someone else and start the whole process over again. this team is going nowhere as long as Cohan and Nellie are here. Lets start posting bulletins or handing out flyers saying that the Warriors are in need of an owner. Isnt there anyone out there thats interested in the team? anyone?? Im gonna email Bill Gates a youtube link of BD dunking on AK47 maybe he can throw us some pennies.
by mekanikal on Sep 9, 2009 12:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I also hate seeing these salary dump rumors. Had we just not signed Maggette
we’d have a healthy looking payroll right now and none of this saving money stuff would be floating around.
by Bob on Sep 9, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a CHA-DAL-GSW trade
That works in the ESPN trade machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ma6hkc
It would hinge on the Warriors getting the Bobcat’s #1 pick in 2010 and eating the salaries of two player that they’d have to cut (I’d assume Speedy and one of the guys from the trade). If you buy John Hollinger’s estimated wins after the trade, then Dallas would be crazy not to do this deal to potential add 12 wins to it’s team.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
by mcwalter44 on Sep 9, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lets hope the plan is to sell
and the prospective buyer said find a way to get rid of Monta, he is not the PG to build the team around, then get me some expiring contracts so I can seek new talent in 2010.
If this is the plan, Cohan is getting an A+ right now.
by warriorsvictim on Sep 9, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
are you serious?
you’d think they screen these people who post
by CSalMJS on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Jackson
I dont think it will happen when he shows up for training camp and see’s all the young talent a year older and healthier i think he will change his mind. But…..if they do trade him ….why not to Utah for AK47 we get the 3 we are looking for Utah gets a hard nose player in jackson. The Utah fans will eat him alive unlike the loyal warrior fans. The warriors will make the playoffs this year I guarantee it.
by Borntowinn on Sep 9, 2009 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why not to Utah for AK47
1. Because the salaries don’t remotely match?
2. Because Utah would have to agree to it?
Don't put your heart out on your sleeve when your remarks are off the cuff
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 9, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is an "unwanted contract"
only in the eyes of the mavs.
by bebopmonkey on Sep 11, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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