The Andris Biedrins Made Free Throw Watch
by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 14, 2010 1:47 PM PST
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Andris Biedrins has not a made a free throw this season: 12 games, 227 minutes. After last night's 0-2 showing from the free throw line, he's now 0-7 on the season. I know it's not a lot of shots and I'm sure there have been far worse free throw droughts but he hasn't made a free throw since last April! It's a small bit of entertainment in this not so entertaining season.
He's 0-5 since coming back from injury. I didn't know a groin injury prevents you from practicing free throws. Here's the breakdown of his free throws this season:
10/31 vs Houston: 0-2
1/5 vs Denver: 0-2
1/6 vs Minnesota: 0-1
1/13 vs Miami: 0-2
When will he make a free throw? Will he make a free throw this week? This month? This season?
Barnett and Fitz made a suggestion last night. Shoot it underhanded. He's got nothing to lose. The honeys already love him, they'll think it's cute or something. Only real men wear pink and shoot free throws underhand, ask HOF Rick Barry. Beans, I got you covered after the jump with a couple of entertaining and instructional videos.
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I voted for later this January
he’s GOT to accidentally make one this season, and I’d like to see him accidentally make one this month.
When Sidney Moncrief comes back.
So… like…. never.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
you'd think that he would be a good shooter coming from europe and having played basketball his whole life practically
andris really should work hard in the offseason and probably now, on changing his shooting form and try to become a decent free throw shooter and 10-15 ft shooter. his arms are just so dang stiff at the free throw line. it’s hard to understand how he hasn’t become a better shooter. he just needs to relax and just shoot the ball. he extends his arms too much to start with and he ends up having to shoot the free throws with his hands. i’m surprised that teams don’t hack-a-andris because he’s even worse at the line than shaq.
I hope he doesn't make one...
Then they can manage to get rid of him because he’s actually hurting the team more than helping it.
We’re the most injured team in the NBA…geez.
Does they guy even practice?
He’s not trying hard enough I think. He has to make it a priority to improve.
Shoot it underhand Rick Barry style..of course try it out AB.
s there some kind of mental block that prevents him from putting an arch in the shot?? Big and dumb?? You tell me.
Getting AB to improve his freethrows is like trying to potty train my 2 year old son except that I know that my son is eventually going to get it. I can’t say the same for AB.
Yes, he does practice. His free throws are a result of something mental. If you watched some of the live practice streams during the preseason, you would see that freethrows were basically the only thing he practiced. He seemed like a 70% shooter from as much as I remember watching of the practices.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 14, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
What I dont get is his laser shot
Why doesnt he put a little arc on it and give it a chance to bounce in?
Heck, if he shot it 10 feet above the rim with an extreme drop towards the hoop, he would have a 50% better chance to make it.
I don't know why the coaches didn't blow up his shot
as soon as Biedrins entered the NBA. His free-throw form is outrageous… it’s truly absurd that the coaches allow him to shoot like that at 50% every year.
I didn’t know a groin injury prevents you from practicing free throws.
HAHA
FJ- How about I kick you in the nuts and we find out?
(Kids don’t try this at home)
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by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 14, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions
Hey now, no encouraging stupid ideas! Now, I’m going to have to wear a cup around Atma.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 14, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Only if he’s holding a video camera.
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by olympicmike on Jan 14, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
We need another superstar like Rick
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We should have a pool!
Reading this makes me think we should start up a pool. Have people pick which game, and which quarter(or which minute mark(s) if we want to break it down more) on when Biedrins will make his next free throw! Bring a little more excitement to the thing and someone could come away with some bragging rights!
Your all missing the point....
Forget the fact that he cannot seem to defend a big man….
Forget the fact that he cannot shoot a free throw to save his life…
Forget the fact that he is slow in transition…
Forget the fact that without a BD style provider he seems to get lost….
Forget the fact that boxing out means another sport to Beans…..
Forget the fact that he seems to show no aggresion or hunger on the court…
Forget ALL that……
Because the stats say he is a great rebounder….in the past….
However…I stick by my earlier thread proposal and think it is time for Andris to be moved on….before he destroys what value he currently has….otherwise…and I hope I am wrong… I have a nasty feeling we may have seen the best of Andris already….
But then what do I know… ;) I could be Lord Luchan and mad as a march hare!!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think we should ship him off also
Andris, another guy, and expirings for somebody who can help our team and be a good starter. A guy like Matt Steinmetz is always talking about. Another guy who can score a lot and be Montas sidekick.
It's all Good
I happen to agree that Andris should be shipped for the right player. I too think he is a poor on ball defender and has not nearly been the same as before. Whether it is because there is no Baron or not, he simply doesn’t do enough on both sides of the ball to really be considered too valuable to us.
But hey everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I think a lot of fans hold onto old stats hoping that they can be duplicated. To me though, I would really like a Center who commanded a little more attention than Andris does. Sometimes I feel like he dissapears out there.
i agree w/ what you're saying BUT...
until he can produce like he did last year his value is way lower than it should be. Why should we trade him as low instead of high?
Forget the fact that he cannot seem to defend a big man….
This does bother me sometimes. I don’t think he’s been an absolute liability though, probably around average.
Forget the fact that he cannot shoot a free throw to save his life…
He has shot all right in the past. Not well, but well enough to make intentionally fouling him a bad play, since he gets the ball and goes up so fast. Plus coaches don’t want their bigs racking up fouls.
Forget the fact that he is slow in transition…
He’s pretty quick/mobile for a center.
Forget the fact that without a BD style provider he seems to get lost….
Forget the fact that boxing out means another sport to Beans…..
Elaborate? He seems to be a good screener/cutter and gets a lot of easy dunks. And if he’s so bad at boxing out how come he gets so many rebounds?
Forget the fact that he seems to show no aggresion or hunger on the court…
That’s just his personality; Duncan is the same way. Would you rather have someone who rebounds and blocks shots less, but snarls and yells louder?
It seems like if we didn’t have Andris we’d be wishing we did. A young, mobile center with good hands, a nose for rebounds, and good help defense, who doesn’t dominate the ball- he seems like a pretty good fit here.
Anti....
I completely disagree with some of your points and wonder if we are watching the same guy??
Free Throws??? ‘Shot alright?’…are you serious? He is horrible Free throw shooter. Lets not forget his is a professional basketball player, that means he gets paid to do nothing all day but eat, sleep, drink, play, study basketball. It’s a sad day when I know I can put my hand on heart and honestly say I can shoot free throws better than someone in the NBA!!! There is no excuse for not practicing that for at least 2 hours a day, if you are really that bad…and even the worst free throw shooters would get better with that level of dedication…9 times out of 10 it is actualy about training your arm muscles to do a certain action…so that it becomes automatic…Biedrins simply does not have an action right now. Moncrief certainly started to make him better…but that seems to have all now gone out the window..indeed I have not been impressed with some of our players shooting and would dearly love to see the return of Moncrief.
As to him being pretty quick for a centre…? again am I watch a different guy? Granted Howard, Oden, Shaq, may be slower, but they have considerably more mass to move up and down, KG is definitely more nimble up and down the court, possibly even Howard.
As to elaborating on the BD thing… BD knew how to play Andris and they both worked the screen extremely effectively. The Warriors game has become less swingman focused now and where we had no interior/driving threat, we actually now have Maggette, Randolph and Ellis, driving the lane, whereas in the past, Andris was pretty much the only one going to the paint on a regular basis.
As to boxing out… again…I must be watching a completely different guy. He is a “verticle jumper”. There are centre’s and big men that know how to box out…and that means using the ‘booty’… to make themselves as big as possible to get around. If you watch a lot of Biedrin’s rebounds, the majority of the ones he takes are uncontested or mismatched. Anytime he has another big man one on one with him, he often does not come up with the ball as much as people might think. Granted he does deflect a lot in those situations, but he has rarely played with any truly athletic bigs around him on his own team.
Again I know many discount other players as contributors to a players stats, but I am sorry…. when you have a young player like Randolph at the 4…as a centre YOU WILL get less rebounds than if you have Matt Barnes or Al Harrington at the 4… Even Turiaf…while a fantastic shot blocker…is not the greatest rebounder….and we have hardly seen Biedrins and Turiaf playing on court at the same time, due to Nellies preference to play Turiaf as Biedrins back-up centre. A player like Randolph who is a rebounding machine, IS without doubt in my opinion, going to reduce the amount of rebounds Andris gets, which goes back to my arguement from a long time ago that Biedrins rebounding numbers in the We Believe team looked so good, BECAUSE we didnt have anyone at the 4 that truly rebounded well, whereas most other good NBA teams have a good centre AND a good 4.
As to personality….yes I’ll confess that I like to see a little aggression on the court. WHY? It makes an opponent think twice about getting into your space. Tim Duncan is one of the very rare examples of a perfect centre, who happens to be very mild mannered. Andris Biedrins is a LONG way from having the full game that Tim Duncan has and therefore that comparison can stop right there.
A centre is the guy who is like your forwards in Rugby…he is the guy no one wants to get near. Take Shaq as an example… or even KG/Howard…they have ‘presence’… you know that if you go one on one with them…you might get a few bruises.. I am 6’4" and 220lbs and I would have no hesitation in going one on one with AB…I would most likely lose from a scoring perspective…but I dont fear the guy to dominate me and as a result get a little battered…. Do you honestly think Shaq standing on Curry’s hand was an accident…? No… I think he knew exactly what he was doing. Dirty? possibly… will Curry remember that the next time he plays Shaq..absolutely. Sometimes that works for you or against you.
But yes… to answer your specific question, I would actually prefer a centre that rebounds a little less..has a better on ball gme, better defensive one on one game and the aggression that makes players think twice about driving the lane….so yes…for me, AT THE centre position…I do want a little snarling…wide elbows….booty out….bumping and banging…i.e. ‘This is my house….GTFO’ … and when you have a team that is as small as the Warriors… you truly need that power.
An interesting example is Monta Ellis… Many of the leagues centre have not worked this kid out yet…but when they do…I am actually a little concerned for the guy..because we are going to see a lot more of the Lebron style rejection when they get it. He has a pattern to his drives…you know he is going to drive the rim hard on many occasions… as of yet I have not seen anyone truly bodycheck him on a block into the 2nd row…it will come…and if it happens a few times…. he’ll start shooting more rather than driving…as he will then know the paint is closed for business!! As a centre…you do have a responsibility to dominate your area and in combination with a good 4, you should truly control the area beneath the bucket… Andris was a good player for the We Believe team and its style of play…I am just not sure that will transfer to this team once he is fully recovered and in fact I think he would be the perfect acquisition for the Clippers.
I would also be gladly proved wrong and actually hope that Biedrins really does realise that he still needs some more mass (I was surprised why he was not bigger in the upper body after his injury?, granted a groin injury stops your lower body workouts, but it does no stop your arm and chest excercises…which suggests to me, work ethic might be questionable..)
I hope he starts to improve…I really do… but I also think we now need a different style of centre for this team…and…all of this is personal opinion….its not there to be ‘proven’ wrong… we all have personal opinions and we are all entitled to them..but it’s interesting to discuss these things as we just have… :)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 15, 2010 4:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Biedrins has shot alright in the past. 52%, 62%, 55% from ’06-07. Certainly not good but better than the 0.0% he is shooting now. And certainly good enough to not kill his efficiency numbers, which are among the best.
And I really don’t see the productivity in ragging on the man about it, suggesting he is lazy, not earning his money, etc (you could argue it is absurd as is that there is this kind of money to be made playing ball). A lot of players do struggle with free throws, especially centers, for whatever reason. I think somebody mentioned that Biedrins shoots 70% in warmups, so it’s not necessarily a matter of changing his form.
I always thought Biedrins was a pretty mobile center. He darts to the right spot for easy dunks, often gets there to help on drives. He doesn’t necessarily run the break a lot, presumably because he always stays for the rebound.
I don’t want to get into the “rebounding is easy when you’re the only big on your team” argument… I made that argument myself a long time ago and got shot down repeatedly.
I agree that it can be beneficial to have a scary center. I think one of Howard’s problems is that he’s too smiley off the court, and on the court he lets players wander into his lane before batting the ball away cleanly. No bruises.
On the other hand, is a team like the Celtics good because KG and Perk are scary, or because they are just fundamentally sound at defense? Never through the Spurs’ championship runs have I thought “this team would be a lot better if Duncan (or Oberto or whoever) was gruffer…” If it’s not in AB’s personality I say let him work on his rebounding, shotblocking, defense, etc. and leave the snarling to someone else.
I was surprised why he was not bigger in the upper body after his injury?, granted a groin injury stops your lower body workouts, but it does no stop your arm and chest excercises…which suggests to me, work ethic might be questionable.
He had the kind of injury that meant he couldn’t really do any exercise at all for the duration. It wasn’t a leg injury- it was an injury to his core, which affects all movement on the body.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 19, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think all the Andris hate
should be post-poned for about three weeks.
If he’s still playing badly then, we can start up the trade talk again.
So basically right before the trade deadline?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 14, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
If he doesn't improve by the week before the deadline
then they should shop him and see what they can get for him(and maybe another player) and expirings.
He can also spiral downwards
To where he has little trade value
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He'll get worse than he is now?
When he’s just coming off a fairly serious injury?
That seems extremely unlikely.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 15, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
And so it continues until possibly Chicago.
0-0 against the Bucks. Still no made free throws.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 15, 2010 11:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
C'mon FJ
You know big men take longer to develop! 6 seasons in, Biedrins jumper coming in 2011, so he said in an interview earlier this season (wish i had link)!
by dj fuzzylogic on Jan 16, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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