RECAP: Milwaukee Bucks 113, Golden State Warriors 104 -- No Quit
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Recap: Bucks 113, Warriors 104 [Brew Hoop]
Is this a basketball season, or Custer's last stand? The Warriors began this game dressing the NBA league minimum 8 players. After Anthony Morrow injured his knee two minutes in, there were 7. Then Cartier Martin got his eye raked by Andrew Bogut, and the Warriors were down to 6. Martin eventually returned, but by that time the Warriors were in serious foul trouble. Chris Hunter fouled out, Andris Biedrins fouled out, Stephen Curry fouled out. And the Warriors were down to 4. FOUR PLAYERS? When Curry fouled out, the refs were forced to invoke the little-known NBA Rule No. 3 (Section 1A), which basically states that the last player to foul out stays on the court and continues to play, but if he fouls again the other team receives a technical free throw in addition to the usual free throws. Joey Crawford mentioned to the broadcasters that he'd never seen this happen before in his 33 years as a ref.
Ain't life as a Warriors fan grand?
What was amazing about this game was that it was such a good game. The undermanned and undersized Warriors fought and clawed all game long, and were down only three with :36 seconds left when the Bucks bricked a three, and the Warriors had a chance to rebound and go for the tie. Unfortunately, the ball bounced the Bucks way, and Brandon Jennings came right back with the game sealing three.
Despite the loss, I marveled at this Warriors performance. There is simply no quit in this team. Led by the determined and incredible play of Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette, the Warriors have refused to let adversity affect their effort on the court. Tonight they also got great efforts from Andris Biedrins, who played his best game of the season, and Stephen Curry, who did a fantastic job chasing Brandon Jennings and Luke Ridnour for the full 48 minutes.
No quit. As a fan, I truly appreciate what I am seeing from this Warriors team. I think the players deserve a ton of credit. And maybe Don Nelson and his coaching staff deserve a tiny bit of credit, too.
Let's talk players. (This is going to be a short list!)
No mas!
Monta Ellis: After his mental melt-down against the Cavs, Monta Ellis has transformed himself in the last two games. He has done a simply beautiful job at running the high pick and roll, and also driving and dishing. His pick and roll with Corey Maggette with 1:00 left was a thing of beauty, executed at crunch time. 8 assists in this game, in addition to his expected 33 points. Monta has come a long way as a player in a very short time this season. In the beginning of the season I had my doubts about whether he was even still a star. Now I think he's verging on superstardom.
Monta had a couple of his drives snuffed in crunch time, by Luc Mbah-Moute. I don't fault Monta for these plays. Both times, he made great moves, and appeared to be home free. But both times, MBam made an incredible recovery to cap Monta at the rim. I think these plays are a testament to the next great defensive player in this league. That Scott Skiles even thought he could use MBam, at 6-8 230 lbs., to guard Monta is a testament to his ability. He is an astounding player, and he showed it at the end of the game. Hats off.
If I have a quibble with Monta it is over his free throw shooting. He was 4-8 last game, 2-5 in this game. He's shooting 77% from the line, and should be able to do better. Perhaps he should spend more time practicing free throws, and less on trick shots? (Man, what an old curmudgeon I'm becoming.)
You want efficient?
Corey Maggette: Had another incredible performance that we've begun to take for granted. 32 points on 10-14 shooting. 12-13 from the line. 9 rebounds, 6 assists. While guarding power forwards. For 42 minutes. On a banged up knee.
Maggette came into this game shooting 60% over his last 15 games. Now its 16.
Feel like booing?
Stephen Curry: Its not reflected in the box score, but I think Curry played one of his best games of the season. The job he did on Brandon Jennings defensively in the first half was eye-opening. Curry was able to move his feet and stay in front of Jennings, to the shock I think of many. He forced Jennings into 7 turnovers, picking up 6 steals. And he forced him into bad shots.
Jennings came on strong in the second half, largely I think because Curry became exhausted having to play all 48 minutes. And also because Curry and the Warriors big men had to guard against foul trouble.
When Jennings hit his game-sealing three over Curry, it was because Curry had to give help on Bogut on the pick and roll. But I'll give Jennings credit: he likes the big shot, and he makes them.
Still, I think this game showed we got the better rookie.
Andris Biedrins: For the first time this season, Biedrins looked like the player I remember. Great help defense, great effort on the boards. Bogut won the matchup, but Biedrins played him tough. And the steal and great tap-ahead to Monta that Biedrins made in the fourth quarter was one of the highlights of the game. Welcome back, Beans.
The "Bench:" Cartier Martin did a decent job defensively in this game, guarding bigger players. His 8 rebounds were big. His offense is a little rough around the edges, but he will be an important piece for this Warriors team this year, even when (if?) they get some players back. I expect the Warriors to sign him.
Chris Hunter was a foul machine. But several of his fouls were invisible to me. Go back and take a look at the play that caused Morrow's injury. Bogut drove straight into the chest of a planted Corey Maggette, who was knocked back into Morrow's knee. Incredibly, no foul was called. No charge, no block. It is mind-boggling to me that the refs swallowed their whistles on that play, and called every touch foul on Chris Hunter. Another example of the friendly whistle the Warriors get at home.
Devean George was again forced into action. He still has nice defensive instincts, picking up 2 steals, but doesn't seem to have his old athleticism.
Do I have to choose? Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette have put this team on their back.
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C-Mag has been our best player last few weeks
He may become extremely valuable trade bait. The only person on this roster I’d keep is AR. We need to find a low post player, fast.
One of the few to have appreciated Cap'n Jax. Do well in NC, get that 8th seed!
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 16, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
PG: John Wall – Curry
SG: Ellis – Morrow
SF: Buki – Bell
PF: AR – Wright
C: Bosh – Turiaf
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Not our ’10 first round pick, no. Thats why John Wall is in our lineup
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Good point and if we don't get Wall we get Turner or Johnson
Throw in expirings and and extension and we have a winner.
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Ya
I really like Johnson for us, if we cant get Wall.
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i like turner anywhere. no problem with johnson, but man, turner is amazing.
also, if we could get a reasonable extension for bosh, i wouldn’t mind the maggs/biedrins for bosh deal. seems like a good way to cash in on how well maggs has been playing, despite his lengthy contract.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Ya ur prob right
Turner would def be a great fit as well.
I still really hope the stars aline for us for once…and we get John Wall
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oh yeah, the whole world should hear the cheers coming from the bay if we get the #1 pick. that’d be ridiculous.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
seriously...
i think this draft is the most hyped #1 pick since lebron
but the warriors nation never gets rewarded like that…
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I think a lot of people have been saying
most hyped since Dwight Howard
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 16, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
That may be viable actally.
One of the few to have appreciated Cap'n Jax. Do well in NC, get that 8th seed!
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Was never a fan of Maggs but...
I have never seen him play this well ever. He’s playing basketball with a higher IQ
Best time to trade him
Because you know this play wont last forever. Sell high.
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He’s playing basketball with a higher IQ
I don’t think that’s true. I think he’s playing better because he’s recovered from his countless injuries enough to gain a step on defenders, causing him to get fouled more. If you think of when he was playing badly, it was because he would either crash into people with no fouls called, or just chuck up perimeter shots because he didn’t want to drive.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 16, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
C-Mag has been our best player last few weeks
You realize how depressing that is?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 16, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
The team is depressing, obviously. The fact that Maggette has been playing the last month or so like the best small forward in the NBA not named LeBron isn’t particularly depressing. Corey’s numbers over the last 16 games are likely better than those of most NBA teams’ best players.
On a side note: can we please nip this “C-Mag” nonsense in the bud?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2010 5:02 AM PST up reply actions
Andrew Bogut apparently dunked on Kelenna Azubuike... look on the sidebar.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Jan 16, 2010 1:34 AM PST reply actions
Hmm..
Not sure I’d say Curry will never be better than Jennings, but so far Jennings > Curry.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
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How do you figure?
Jennings / Curry 09-10
.492 / .554 ts%
3.9 / 4.1 reb
6.3 / 4.9 ast
1.2 / 2.1 stl
3.0 / 2.8 tov
Hype notwithstanding, to me that looks like slight edge Curry.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 16, 2010 4:13 AM PST up reply actions
*numbers are per 36 mins.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 16, 2010 4:14 AM PST up reply actions
oh and defense
Jennings is giving up a PER of 15.8… Curry is giving up 20.2 @ PG and 19.0 @ SG….
I love curry, and i’d actually love the 2 together. But given the option i wouldn’t think twice. Jennings is a bigger talent and produced arguably more while being younger. The only thing he’s produced less is inconsistent shooting from midrange.
THe problem w/ jennings is look up his stats… he’s high 40s going left and 30s going right. That being said he can grow like monta.
Still if i had to rank this draft (keeping griffin out) I’d go 1. Tyreke, 2. Jennings 3. Curry.. Then u got guys like derozan, harden who i think in 2 years could be better than curry.
by tafkasam on Jan 16, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Harden’s better than Curry right now. His FG% stinks, but he shoots threes well and lives at the line; he’s actually scored as efficiently as Monta, and not far behind Curry. Rebounds and passes very well for a two, and he’s been a good defender from the get-go. He’s easily the most underrated rookie right now; if and when he starts hitting decently from midrange, he’ll be a beast.
It’s also pretty hard to make a case for Curry over Lawson, as Lawson has scored more often and more efficiently, passed better and defended better. And while I’d bet on Curry to have the more valuable career overall, I do think DeJuan Blair’s the better player this year; he’s only playing 17 minutes a night, but his foul rate wouldn’t preclude him from playing 25 or so.
Curry has certainly not been helped by being a Warrior; our laissez-faire, Monta-centric offense hasn’t played to his strengths, and it sure doesn’t seem like anybody’s been teaching him defense. Still and all, he has some of the worst passing numbers of any NBA point guard, he’s getting burned on D and he’s fouling people like crazy… he’s committing far more fouls than even Pietrus ever did. He needs to make some adjustments to catch up with the best players in his class. Cutting down on the lazy backcourt passes and fouls would be a good start.
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Obviously someone else was guarding Jennings last night then..
???
Curry’s defensive game last night other than the fouls….was spot on….
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 16, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I’d agree that Curry defended well last night; he got burned a number of times, but more than made up for that with his career-high steals total.
We have played 37 other games beside last night’s, however, and he’s defended very badly overall in those games. One game does not make Stephen Curry a good defender any more than it makes Andrew Bogut the best center in basketball. We can hope Curry’s defensive results will stay as good as they were last night, but it’d be a little premature to expect that they will.
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there speaketh the worrier....
I prefer to think that each game he learns something new… But in the meantime…lets keep the criticism fair…and highlight some of the excellent developments in his game as much as the areas for improvement…
This time next year… this kid will be committing half the number of fouls he is now…. he will be turning the ball over slightly less and his assists level will increase significantly I believe…
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 16, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
jennings did well
7-16, 7-8 ft….. TS% of .641 :-/
It’s ridiculous to call Hardin better than Curry at this point.. I like Hardin, but he isn’t being asked to do all the things Curry is or to play the minutes Curry is.
Jennings is giving up a PER of 15.8… Curry is giving up 20.2 @ PG and 19.0 @ SG…
It’s an illusion.
Curry plays on the Warriors… ’nuff said there.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 16, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
curry is awesome defensivel
he’s smart so he knows when to gamble on off ball steals but in terms of man defense, it’s bad…. foul of lay up… every time.
Maybe because...
we haven’t had two legit big men behind him to defend. He’d rather take the foul than let his big take the foul.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 16, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
It’s also pretty hard to make a case for Curry over Lawson, as Lawson has scored more often and more efficiently, passed better and defended better.
It’s hard to make a case for most rookie guards over Lawson. The strongest case is that Lawson’s in a lower pressure situation, but that only goes so far. He still makes his shots and connects on his passes, and continues to make the draft “experts”, who didn’t do anything more complex than assume he was going to be Ray Felton’s clone, look stupid.
Before the draft I called Lawson a “mini-Baron”.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 16, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
despite appearing like a ball dominant hog
jennings appears to be a much better passer
yep
Jennings also scores a lot more often and has been the vastly better defender. Curry can lessen the gap between then as he continues to shoot more, as that’s the one thing he’s done very well so far. But there’s definitely a gap between them right now. Jennings has been the better point guard, and the better player.
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Curry does more thing well than Jennings.
That’s reflected somewhat by his impressive fantasy rank. Curry is at # 35 While Jennings is at #51. I believe the rankings are based off of their performance vs the league avg. for all the stat categories. . Keep in mind Jennings plays more minutes which helps his stats a bit.
What really hurts Jennings is his FG%. He ranks 421st out of the 422 players ranked (ahead only of everyone’s favorite player -Ariza). That’s bad? Go on tell me how it’s not. I know you want to…
http://games.espn.go.com/fba/playerrater?
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
If we’re now using
fantasy basketball statsto measure the value of a player, we’ve gone pretty far afield, don’t you think? Steals, for instance, may look good on a fantasy scoreboard, but they’re not necessarily indicative of quality defense.
Jennings’s FG% is indeed horrible… he mitigates it somewhat by getting to the line twice as often as Curry does, but the efficiency gap is still big. Curry’s .554 TS% is a bit above the league average; Jennings’s .492 TS% is really, really bad. Jennings has to make up a ton of ground to be the better player. He makes up that ground it by 1) scoring more often, 2) passing better, and 3) defending better; they rebound comparably.
Jennings pretty obviously does more things well than Curry does. The only thing Curry does really well is jump-shooting, and he hasn’t done enough of it to make him an effective player overall. He’s gradually shooting more as the season goes on… let’s hope that continues.
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Jennings pretty obviously does more things well than Curry does
Sure, if you only watched the games he played against the Warriors.
In this fast food society, where quantity rules over quality, it’s not at all surprising that a lot of people would consider Jennings the better player.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 16, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed. I hope I eventually develop your sophisticated palate; only through the subtle beauties of fantasy basketball can one truly know this game.
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How do you figure?
55 points as a rookie versus 48 minutes played with 6 fouls.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 16, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Haha. Good to have you back, Skep. Thanks for playing.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2010 5:03 AM PST up reply actions
“feel like booing?”
uh yes. the guy needs to go. the guy’s been a loser his ENTIRE career, thats gotta mean something.
Disgusting comment
Enjoy his game and appreciate him being a positive dude.
"It really is a choice of whatever rotten fruit you fancy least." (Kelly Dwyer about NBA Franchise owner)
Uhhh
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woops
meant to say:
Just like Crawford has been a loser all his career? Now he’s one of the valuable assets for a legit playoff team, possible contending team.
I dislike maggs on this team as much as anyone, but he just has not been put with the correct team to actually fill their needs.
Maggs needs to be on a playoff team as the 6th man, not a young playoff team even. He needs to be on team like the Cavs, Spurs, Mavs, Celtics, etc. He is the missing piece to some team out there.
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which should anger us all even more really...
- pick!
by 123707THIZZ on Jan 16, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
we wouldn't get it
lottery is fixed and we r cursed :D
What we need is management to NOT TRADE FOR INJURED PLAYERS. Seriously… we’re using 3 roster spots on injured players…. raja, speedy and devean george (who is finally healthy)
I ussually hate kawakami, but i have ot agree w/ his point. I have little sympathy for a team injured when you trade for injured guys. If they turn these guys into something at trade deadline then I’ll say good job and admit i’m wrong.. BUT i don’t believe they will
I would trade Monta 4 Jennings in a second
I was really impressed by B-jennings last night because he started poorly, and fought back into the game.
Let’s do a comparison:
(all stars PER 36)
Monta/ Jennings
PPG- 22.4/ 19.1
APG- 6.3/ 4.6
ToPG- 3.6/ 3.0
RPG- 3.6/ 3.9
Steals- 1.9/ 1.2
TS%- .525/ .492
PER- 17.3/ 16.0
And hes a full 4 years younger than monta and a rookie. He’ll be amazing long term
I don't know why you would do that
we have young talent now, we don’t need to keep trading down.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 16, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
I would trade Monta 4 Jennings in a second
Yeah, Jennings and Curry-bury would be interesting together, they could probably communicate on an equal intellectual level?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 16, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Blazer fan here... How is Beidrins doing?
I heard that his condition isn’t really all that treatable. Has he been improving?
In truth, I think he’s fine. Nellie’s had him out on the perimeter setting picks, which has him shooting less and getting fewer offensive boards, but just about every other part of his game is about where it was last year. He played hard and well for long stretches last well, and had two diving deflections of Milwaukee passes… if your center’s doing that, he’s probably healthy.
Biedrins looks like his old self, and his numbers will reflect that once he’s re-incorporated into the offense.
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"Improving"
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by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 16, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Your...
…list of the games he’s played in fails to note the point at which he sustained his lower back injury, which is an undeniably tough thing for a big man. And the Hawes matchup that you said was “pretty close” in actuality is a clear win for Biedrins, assuming as presented that this is about statistical observations. All in all, it seems like an overzealous effort to have some fun by ragging on Biedrins, but I don’t think it’s terribly helpful to answer an earnest question about AB’s play or whether he’s improving.
I heard that his condition isn’t really all that treatable.
It could be if he’d learn to shoot them underhand. Calling Dr. Rick Barry stat.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 16, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
interesting side note about the game last night
the over/under was 216.5 and because of that final foul by Curry and the technical free throw, the score went over….by .5 points. I bet everyone that had the under isnt happy with that foul by Curry or the rule haha
Has anyone tried this rule
in any of the recent NBA video games? If you have 5 guys left and one of them fouls out, what does the video game do?
they’ll call foul but you’ll never foul out…no technical free throws
by Steph-Fan Curry on Jan 16, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions

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