Player A and Player B

Kobe is producing those numbers an a championship caliber team, where as Monta is putting up identical numbers for a lottery bound team. No way he gets considered for MVP unless the Warriors hit a hot streak and get into the playoff race.

As far as the All-Star selection, our record will hurt Ellis as well. There are too many good guards in the west and it is almost guarenteed that a guard on a better team will be picked over Monta.

other than TO and ft% its pretty close and even that can be chalked up to reputation and favortism. Dwades number are cmparable too but its simply a metter of how long he’s been doing to it how long they have to get that respect from the refs and peers. all that will come but he does need to be a better closer tho. im sure that will come too but sometimes the best shot at the end of games is the one he doesnt take and he needsto realize that.

Monta is having a great season but won’t make it because the Warriors have 12 wins. The stats simply don’t matter. If you go way back into Warriors history Purvis Short in 1985 was leading the entire NBA in scoring at the All-Star break but didn’t make the All-Star team because the Warriors had 12 wins.
Lakers have 32 wins.

Kobe scoring more points on basically the same number of possessions is noteworthy. His fewer turnovers are noteworthy, too. His fewer minutes are another noteworthy aspect – it’s whole concept of “replacement” level we use in baseball. That’s why you have to look at a players contributions on a per minute basis – because even the worst player in the league, if they replaced Kobe for those extra minutes he doesn’t play that Monta does, would accomplish something in that PT. Defense matters, too, and I’m not one to praise Kobe’s defense (he’s very good when he tries, but he rarely tries)…but it’s better than Monta’s.

Also, while I think way too much emphasis is placed on team record, it does mean something. To put up a given number of stats on a winning team says more about your contirbutions than putting them up on a losing team – it implies that your production really does contribute to winning basketball, whereas a players production on a losing team may or may not contribute much towards winning games….

Last point – if Monta isn’t a #1 guy, he’s not an All-star, plain and simple. 15 teams in the Western Conference, so there should be about 15 #1 guys. Not that every team has one (Lakers have a couple, for instance)….but the whole number system implies on average there’s one per team, no?

A measure of how valuable a player is can be seen by how well he works with his team.

I love Monta as much as the next dubs fan but he is not at all in Kobe’s league. Kobe is one of the greatest players of all time, Monta is a very good shooting guard who may make the all star game in the next year or two. I hope he gets picked by coaches but too many good players on team with better records will get the love.
Plus, Warriors are the perennial doormats of the league, put Monta with the same numbers on the Knicks, Bulls or Celtics and he would be an allstar because those are the flagship NBA teams who could use a better shooting guard

I did guess Kobe and Monta though. Monta’s minutes per gave him away, The attempts and ppg for KB made him an easy guess.

Kobe is one of the GREATEST ever and still killin these fools because his game has evolved with his age. When he was Monta’s age he wasn’t the leader he is now. He had Shaq to make his job easier, then he lost Shaq and had to find a way to be a better teammate before the Lakers became contenders again. Monta is at the point where his maturation as a player is going to define his greatness and how high the ceiling for this team is going to be. This is his first year as “The Man” and he is dealing with an incredible amount of adversity with the injuries and the jackson situation. This Monta-Curry backcourt can definately work as long as Monta keeps his head on straight and focus’s on making the adjustments in his game that will propell this team to more wins at the sacrifice of his personal #‘s.(thats what makes B. Roy so great) Right now he dominates the ball way too much in the same manner that Kobe did, he needs to learn to pick his spots to do that but not damn near every time he touches the ball. You really have to put a lot of this on nellie though because he doesn’t seem to trust anyone other than him and Corey. This comparison should be revisited in 3 years when Monta’s contract is up and the Warriors are deciding whether to re-sign him or not. He has the ability to be a winner in this league but as we all should know by now a Nellie led team will never do more than make a confernce championship series so we should be prepared to endure possibly 1 more season of mediocrity before we can talk about Monta as one of the top 10 players in this league.