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Ankles and 'Das Boot!'

Many MANY moons ago in a galaxy far far away... I actually owned a pair of Jordan 1's (damn how I wish I had kept them for keep sake value). You remember them?

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Now being a relatively skinny, tall, beanpole of a young teenage basketball player, I had small ankles and often used to twist my ankle in my early soccer career of 8 years from the age of 6 to 13 years old. So when I first started playing basketball at UK college prior to University, I preferred the 'High Top' support of a shoe like the Jordan one's and even then had pairs of the Shaq Reebok 'Pump up' boots, that inflated a support in the boot tongue and sides, to give a truly great snug fit around the ankle and never had a problem...

When I then went to University I switched to Converse and the Aerojam 'Grandmama' editions just like these and also another pair that were also 3/4 quarters and Black and Purple....the key thing being, they were 3/4 tops.

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Well....as some of you know, during the 1994 British University Quarter Finals, I was wearing a pairof the above 'Cons' and having taken a board, spun out to my left to head off down the right side on a fast break. At full sprint, I passed the opposing shooter who had just missed and was turning to his right, my right toe clipped the back of his left heel and when my foot came into contact with the court, instead of it being flat and forwards, it was 45 degrees to the left and rolled onto its right side..... CRACK!!!!! on impact... I kid you not, the entire hall heard my ankle crack on landing, yet it was not my ankle breaking thank god, but my Achilles tendon tearing with a huge ankle sprain and other minor tendon damage and pulls....

I was extremely lucky the Achilles did not snap all the way across and so it was able to fuse back together and repair/heal, unfortunately that was the end of my basketball game at University...

To this day...I suspect that had I been wearing my old favoured high-tops, the damage might have been just a bad sprain, as my ankle did not truly have much support around the ankle joint in the 3/4 shoe... which got me thinking in light of the current spate of ankle sprains.... Do current NBA players think enough about their shoe selection?

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Migrate this subject forward to today's Basketball shoes and the seemingly increasing number of ankle injuries and it started to get me thinking about footwear and 'Das Boot!' (No not the German U-boat film or a drinking vessle in Beerfest!)....the same problem for many years affected football (yes the proper version played with the foot and a ball) players, especially with the introduction in the mid 90's of the Adidas 'Blades' football boots that David Beckham made popular, due to the texture of the boot upper and the ability to put a curve on the ball. The problem with this football boot was the fashionable style lacing and studs/blades and the very soft leather, giving very little support to the ankle bone and yet gave a better grip ability in the grass due to the blade design of the studs. Suddenly ankle injuries in the leading leagues players were increasing due to increased grip, less support and lower cut sides.

Cut now back to the basketball shoe question.... have they become too much like a fashion statement, rather than a functional tool to protect your ankle in an extremely tough environment? It is fair to say that the modern basketball athlete is a pretty impressive beast! With not only explosive power and strength, but speed and agility too.

As someone pointed out the other day, Ronny Turiaf seems to favour a 'Low-top' shoe.... which is quite frankly staggering, considering the fragility of his ankles, his height and his weight....so why is no one saying..."Er...excuse me Ronny old chap!...would you mind wearing a more supportive shoe please...as we get better value from you when your playing..."

If you look at many of the basketball shoe designs now, there are very few 'high-tops' anymore with a majority of lowish 3/4 shoes, offering little in the way of ankle support to the frankly bizarre 'low-tops'. I understand that this is very much a players choice and a faster player may prefer the flexibility and light weight that a less cumbersome shoe might offer, but at what cost?

If we take Monta Ellis as an example. Here is a guy that is often running at high speed and in a lot of traffic, jumping like a flea!! The classic ingredients for an ankle injury to occur. The question that could possibly be raised by the team is... are your chosen shoes offering you enough protection to your ankle?

A player can be offered sponsorship to take a particular shoe...but is that necessarily the right shoe for them? and if it is not... should a team have right to insist that a player like Ronny Turiaf does not wear low top shoes, as an injury due to poor shoe choice could then affect the fortunes and business financials of a club, if it loses too many players to ankle injuries.

The reason why I created this thread, was to discuss the subject of shoes in relation to ankle injuries, as it seems for some bizarre reason, to be a bigger issue this year, than I have ever noticed in previous years?

What are your thoughts?...should a team have any influence in helping a player get the right footwear for them? Or is this just part of the risk...and 'a mans shoes are his own private kingdom...and he should defend them with his life!?'

If you look at basketball shoe design over the years, not much has actually changed a great deal, which I find surprising. There do not seem to be many shoes designed that incorporate some form of neoprene ankle support/guard? Is it time for Nike, Adidas, Reebok, Converse et al, to start to redesign the basketball boot, to offer greater support for the ankle, due to the greater size and power of the players today. If you look back at basketball in the 70's and 80's, we had many players with Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright's type of frame and build, but in the modern NBA, the average physical strength and power for a player seems to be increasing as with every sport in the modern era...

Is it time for a radical rethink when it comes to basketball shoe design... or is it subject to whims and fashion? and as such...until Kobe and LeBron start wearing high-tops... the low 3/4 shoe will remain the primary choice for the majority!?

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I remember a minor surge of college players, almost all guards, in the late 80s/early 90s switching to low-top shoes, arguing that they felt that it didn’t slow them down as much as a hightop and that they could jump better. Not sure if it’s true, but that was the argument. The sports-med guy I worked with on the track team said that if you tape the ankle well enough you should get better support than with a high top shoe, since even the best fitting shoe will allow more movement within than with the tape if taped properly. He said that the problem was that to tape it well enough, you restricted movement such that the gain of the lighter shoe totally went away, though the tape is lighter which may make a player feel faster.

It doesn’t seem like any of this should apply to someone like Turiaf, who, although able to get up and down the court well enough for a big, isn’t exactly a sprinter and doesn’t really base his game on elevation off the ground. Maybe Abdenour is recommending something for some other issue of Ronny’s and the lowtops are a compromise, but it doesn’t make sense to me.

Or maybe Tom Abdenour is the nicest guy in the world and just fun to hang around with. Players are doing whatever they can to get hurt so they can chill with Tom.

by jae on Jan 24, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

being a guy that plays like an undersized 2 guard with a really inconsistent jumper, i have always relied on speed to have any marginal success playing basketball. i can definitely attest to the fact that the 3/4 shoe allows much more range of motion, which is key to the extra spring a quick/small player needs to blow by their defender or elevate over someone with a jump stop.
i have tried all sorts of ankle braces, air casts, and older high top shoes, and all of them severely limited what little athleticism i had. it blows my mind how guys play with taped ankles!

having said that, if you’ve had any problems with ankle injuries you need to suck it up and learn to play with less mobility, or not play at all. ankle braces, unlike knee braces, do not have long term negative effects on the ligaments, and are much more affective than high tops, in my opinion.

also, i must caution against taping ankles in general. as your bold text eluded to, this must be done properly. a bad tape job can screw your circulation up and/or leave you susceptible to injury, and there is a specific way to do it!

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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 29, 2010 2:57 AM PST up reply actions  

You get used to the tape. You don’t even really notice a loss in athleticism once you’re used to it. Once you get used to getting taped, it’s also pretty easy to just feel if the tape job is good or not….

by Missing Barry on Jan 29, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW, great post, BW.

by jae on Jan 24, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

Nice post...

I hear Jim Barnett bring this up on occasion. His big issue is that now that the rubber doesn’t come up as high on the side of many of the newer shoes you’ll see more guys roll their ankles when they catch that edge as there is not enough traction. It’s not the same exact issue that you bring up, but they both seem to fall into the category of style over substance.

I have to say, I really like basketball shoes. I like interesting new designs that challenge my preconceptions of what a shoe should look like, or feel like. But you are absolutely right that, especially in the case of players with a history of ankle problems, function has to take the highest priority. This is equipment after all.

"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."

by olympicmike on Jan 24, 2010 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

I hear Jim Barnett bring this up on occasion

it was in game with Nuggets when Monta slipped (in 3rd Q i guess)

my first idea reading this fanpost was that’s exactly where Brit got this fanpost out of

WTF FTW!

by Lat We N Trash on Jan 25, 2010 5:04 AM PST up reply actions  

No to be fair its been bubbling for a while...as I didnt watch the nuggets game.

Since Randolph and Turiaf had their ankle moments was what actually got me thinking about this and looking at a lot of the modern shoe options and what the guys are wearing now…

I actually think the Nfinity shoes look to have the right idea….
http://old.nfinity.com/basketball/footwear.aspx

If you look at the design, from the different angles, there is a lot of ‘strap’ style support from the Upper and the laces, with good ankle protection… seems to have been well thought out..

Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"

by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 25, 2010 6:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Every player should tape their ankles. A good tape job will give you more support than pretty much anything else you can do besides a ridiculous ankle brace that would pretty much completely restrict all your movement. I’d be surprised if there are many players out there that don’t tape their ankles, especially if they’re not wearing high tops. If I’m in charge of a team, every player on my team is taping their ankles. Once you get used to it, you really don’t even notice it….

by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2010 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

Nice Post!

If any of you ever had the Jason Kidds from the mid 90’s they were a 3/4 shoe but had a very wide base that gave great traction. If you have them on and stand on one foot you can easily notice how much better balance you have because of the wide forefoot. These were a great design to protect the ankle because the wide forefoot makes it hader to roll the ankle. Compared to most of todays shoes they are about half an inch wider. Here’s a link to a pic of them
 
http://www.myairshoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nike-zoom-uptempo-v-premium-jason-kidd-og-4.jpg

by pre10d on Jan 24, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

Yep...I remember those..

Also as Mike pointed out…if you look at how high the rubber (bobbles) come up on the outside of the shoe, giving more grip there…. it does indeed look like that was a good shoe.

Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"

by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 25, 2010 3:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha

The ‘Pumps’ are making a comeback…
http://www.thebestbasketballshoes.com/previews/the-best-basketball-shoes-pumps.html

Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"

by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 25, 2010 6:53 AM PST reply actions  

I believe all players are required to tape their ankles

I am sure some skimp on the tape though which is a big mistake.

While I would not say the high top shoe itself guards against ankle injury sufficiently, lacing a high top properly will improve the performance of the shoes thus lowering your chance for injury.

Your foot moves around inside the shoe less and allows the sole to really grab the court. This also takes advantage of the contouring of the sole and engineering of the tread pattern. If your foot is moving around inside the shoe, the wearer is unable to align the shoe with the playing surface properly.

by warriorsvictim on Jan 25, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

I bet they wear what they are paid to wear.

Whether or not they have any say in the construction and testing of that shoe is another issue.

I try to play pickup ball a few times a week, but there are several consideration I take into my purchase of a shoe. I even did some casual research on this after I got to visit the Nike museum/art exhibit in Beijing and sat next to the chairman of Jordan’s brand for the USA vs. Australia game (total coincidence). Anyhoo I think about my shoes more seriously now, and this is what I look for.

Because I am just under six feet tall I pretty much only consider the 1/2 to 3/4 range of shoe.

I want the top of the shoe to be constructed with a light, close fitting material. Right now I’m pretty high on the light stretchy material of the Hyperizers, but the tailoring needs tweaks and there are problems with the rubber sole (the rubber is almost flush with the foam).

I like to have a solid rubber bottom with it running high up the side. The rubber runs high but the actual heel should sit low in the show to prevent (HEY!) ankle sprains. The weight of the shoe is kept down by not having a solid rubber soul.

On top of that I look for laces to distribute pressure evenly across the foot and avoid poofy tongues.

Then I replace the inner sole with a better one that supports the arch more and counteracts the effects of having an inner sole with a low center of gravity. What the heck, I like the thin double layered socks better than trying to wear two pairs.

Some players probably only play tapped up so their shoes may be designed with that in mind. I know that if they want the athletes can test the bejeezus out of their shoes with Nike.

I dunno, That’s just my formula for shoe shopping, but I’ll play in flip flops if I have too.

Anyways. Good post, Tom Abdenour and Mark Grabow should be taking notes.

Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!

by Nuck Chorris on Jan 25, 2010 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

wish i could edit.

Rubber soul. lol

Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!

by Nuck Chorris on Jan 25, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."

by olympicmike on Jan 25, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well played sir

Well played………

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by dubzfan on Jan 25, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think was one of my all-time favorites.

The Jordan Oo’Wee is a cross trainer but I just replaced the insole and used it for B-Ball.

Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!

by Nuck Chorris on Jan 25, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting....

I think quite a few people pull out the standard innersole and replace it with something more supportive, which makes me wonder why the manufacturers dont put more thought into the innersole in the first place?

Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"

by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Different strokes for different folks

Everybody’s arch is a little different. Thus, people need different levels of arch support. I’ve never had a problem with standard soles, but maybe that’s because I don’t know what it’s supposed to feel like :-P

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 26, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m giving this a REC to get it to the magic five. Nice job, Brit.

I also owned a pair of Jordan 1s. The buddy with whom I bought them sold them years later on eBay and wrote and article in the NYTimes about it.

And hey, OM: “Rubber Soul” was my absolute favorite album growing up. No, I wasn’t even born when it came out, but I got into my folks’ Beatles collection at an early age…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jan 26, 2010 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the comments all

Makes a nice change not to be at each others throats over our team beliefs! :-)

Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"

by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

Here is a link to some science supporting the notion that high-tops can protect against ankle injuries. The link is just an excerpt, but it more or less gets all the pertinent (and riveting!) points.

One might be tempted to respond to a study like this with “duh”, but apparently, Gilbert Arenas (whose injury track record might make one question whether he should be giving such advice) appears to doubt that it makes a difference.

by jae on Jan 26, 2010 7:05 PM PST reply actions  

I think we’ve found out a lot about Gilbert’s decision making and common sense recently…

by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice post

Fun read, interesting subject. I too owned a pair of the Jordan 1s, got ’em on clearance in 1988 for around $15 and thrashed them on a hike. Doh!

I always thought they looked like clown shoes… but maybe not as much as these: http://www.freshnessmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/air-jordan-1-leroy-jenkins-386186-071-01-570×427.jpg

by RonG on Jan 27, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

I can relate

Hey Brit, glad to see you post this. If you remember, we shared a few posts about ankle injuries when Monta had his incident. I’ve had two surgeries done to my each of my ankles. Both times to repair bone spurs, bone chips, torn ligaments, and cartilage damage. Basically, I had sprained my ankles so many times that my soft tissues no longer were protecting my bones, resulting in the bone spurs and chips, which resulted in eating up more of my soft tissues. Add that I continued to play like this and continued to sprain my ankles on a regular basis until I finally got a job that gives me benefits LOL.

Now, I can’t attribute my injuries just to my shoes, because I use to play pretty recklessly. (Funny, I only really started to learn how to play bball AFTER I couldn’t do all the high-flying stuff due to my injuries). That being said, I’m a medium sized Asian dude that did not play at your level and never will.

Anyway, I really do think shoes matter. I religiously wear high-top Nikes. The ones that are typically the most expensive ones. Every time I bought cheaper basketball shoes under $100, I either always got injured (not just ankle sprains) or they would just wear out too quickly (all indoor) and I’d have to buy a new pair.

The bottom line is, shoes matter. They might not make you jump higher, but they are just like tires for your cars…it’s the only thing between you and the ground. Basketball puts tons of stress on your feet and ankles. People wonder why I continue to play after all my injuries and surgeries.

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by Doctor Kajita on Jan 28, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Indeed mate...I do remember..

I cringed then and I cringed again while reading above.. :-)

Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"

by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 29, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec

This brought back the glorydays of yesteryears (maybe 3 or 4 years ago)

These were my greatest pair of basketball shoes. They were extremely light and durable, but I twisted my ankle plenty of times. I never taped my ankles and didn’t use ankle supports, so I kind of made it bad on myself, but to me it was worth it because I had the speed advantage on the court. When I did tape ankles, it was hard to adjust, and I felt like I was going a tad bit slower.

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by The Dedication on Jan 29, 2010 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

We might consider that when the ankle doesn’t move, the trauma can move up to the knee. Of course, the knee is a more complex and unstable joint, which can result in season ending injuries.

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by Naticus2 on Feb 4, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed...

But then that’s when a bad tape job…becomes a BAD tape job…an overly taped ankle can as you say restrict the ankle forcing more shock to the knee, which is also why I prefer more of a high-top to let the shoe take some of that support.

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by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 4, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

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