RUMOR: Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Cleveland Cavaliers interested in Phoenix Suns power forward Amare Stoudemire
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 25, 2010 1:07 AM PST
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PrintAs you can tell from the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Midterm Report Grades, this team needs a bold move badly if they have any plans of being relevant in the NBA over the course of the next 3-4 years. There's some nice pieces on the Golden State of D-Leaguers, notably Monta Ellis, Corey Maggette, and Stephen Curry, but that alone isn't going to be enough to qualify for the West's Elite 8 in the near future.
What if Amare was on the golden side?
Is Amare Stoudemire the answer for Don Nelson, Larry Riley, and the Golden State Warriors?
From The Arizona Republic:
A league source said Golden State, Minnesota and Cleveland have shown interest in acquiring Suns power forward Amar'e Stoudemire.
Major hang-ups in a possible deal are the Suns' need to get good value in return and the other team's need to feel secure in knowing it has a chance to keep Stoudemire, who can opt out of his contract this summer.
It's also important to keep in mind what MT tweeted about this rumor:
Paul Coro of AZ Republic reports Warriors still looking into a trade for Amar'e Stoudemore. Doesn't suprise me at all
Warriors want a big man bad. But I don't think GM Larry Riley is ready to give up pieces for a guy who wouldn't sign long term
We've covered the Amare to the Warriors rumors at length here at the mighty GSoM, so I'll just direct you to these resources for a historical trace and analysis:
- RUMOR: Ric Bucher thinks Amare Stoudemire to Warriors still happens
- RUMOR: Amare Stoudemire not that interested in the Warriors
- Weighing the Rumor: cases for and against a deal for Stoudemire
- RECAP: Warriors' 2009 NBA Draft Day - Stephen Curry & Amar'e
- Warriors Draft Day 2009: This Pretty Much Says It All
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RUMOR: Warriors inquired about Suns' Amare Stoudemire and offered Andris Biedrins
At this point in the season with the playoffs long gone for the Warriors trading for Amare Stoudemire without an extension guarantee at the expense of anything valuable beyond this year probably isn't going to be all that beneficial. I could be sold that acquiring Amare's Bird Rights could be useful during this upcoming summer in potential sign-and-trade deals, but those have historically been incredibly difficult to concoct in this league. It would be quite a gamble to bank on his sign-and-trade value being worth more than what the Warriors might have to send over to the Suns to make the trade happen now.
However, with an extension in place even with Amare's less than stellar rebounding, I'd be down. Amare teamed with Monta, Maggette, and Stef-fun could be very fun. Nellie is the right man to run a creative isolation-based offense to take advantage of all their strengths. Think back to some of the Mavs teams earlier this century.
Amare alone probably doesn't turn the Warriors into an instant top 8 team in the West, but it's a step in the right direction. That move alone though could very well change the perception of the Warriors as a free agent/ trade destination in the near future (read: they're a team actually trying to win instead of just dumping salary). That my friends could actually be worth something- enough to jumpstart the steps to get them to the 2011 NBA Playoffs.
For some Minnesota Timberwolves flava in ya ear check out Canis Hoopus.
For some Cleveland Cavaliers flava in ya ear check out Fear the Sword.
For some Phoenix Suns flava in ya ear check out Bright Side of the Sun.
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Andris + Expirings or Andris + Maggs?
Regardless of if you think the trade should happen, which trade combo could benefit us more long term?
I’m thinking Andris + Maggs could help us, that why even if Amar’e doesn’t resign we get an expiring contract instead of Maggs contract.
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i dig
Untouchable: Monta, Curry, Morrow, and Randolph.
Everyone else is up for grabs!
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+1
Maybe Morrow IF and only IF we can guarantee Amar’e signs an extension.
Monta Curry NOT untouchable
Until 1 is traded. I think 1 of them has to go and my preference would be to keep Curry.
Monta has to OWN the ball get his points. Curry plays D, passes and scores.
Curry’s potential (IMO): 20ppg, 10apg, 4rpg, 2spg
Monta’s potential (IMO): 24ppg, 6apg, 4rpg, 2spg (assuming 40mpg, NOT 48)
Monta didn't OWN the ball when Baron was here
And he was far more efficient…
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
Remember the 07-08 Warriors? Monta averaged 20ppg as the third option on the team. Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson were each averaging 20ppg and Monta STILL managed to get his points. I remember he even averaged 26ppg on over 60% shooting for the entire month of February that season.
You’re also right about him being more efficient, he had a sweet mid range jumper that i’m pretty sure is still in his current arsenal; he’s hasn’t had a lot of help this season so he couldn’t really afford to be completely conservative.
You might think i’m crazy, but I actually think Monta has the potential to average even more than he is right now. If his supporting cast stays healthy (Maggette, Morrow, Azubuike, Curry, Randolph, Wright, Biedrins etc) then it’ll take pressure off of him and will allow him to do more on the court. He won’t be exhausted at the end of games and will have energy to have big scoring nights like Kobe. It will also help if the team makes moves to add another great player on this team.
Don’t get me wrong, though. I’m not saying Monta is perfect. He still has a lot of things he needs to improve on.
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by Precise Films Productions on Jan 25, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree
I think Monta will be far more efficient and BETTER once he has the weight of the team taken off of him a bit when everyone is healthy. BUT I still believe we need to add someone to the roster along side Monta that is BETTER than Monta. Why? Monta could be one of the best #2 options in the league. If we get a #1 option, Monta’s efficiency should go up, as he will have less pressure and opposing defenses will have to put less pressure on him.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
let's say beans+maggs goes down before the trade deadline...
what the hell is our starting lineup?
pg curry
sg monta
sf cartier martin
pf amare
c ronny
that’s a little something i call “worse than what we have now”.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 25, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Curry
Monta
Martin
Toliver
Amare
and when healthy:
Curry
Monta
Buki
AR
Amare
If we get Wall:
Wall – Curry
Monta – Morrow
Buki – Bell
AR – Wright
Amare – Turiaf
Doesn’t seem that bad to me…
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
How, exactly, do you propose we get Wall?
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
He loves the Wall...
There’s no hope unless we somehow win the lottery.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Jan 25, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I love Wall, too. I think he’s the best prospect since Lebron. I also know even if we end up with the worst record in the league (we won’t), we only have a 25% chance of winning the lottery.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
thats why it says IF
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Get off the Wall kick....
Why not focus on something that we may actually get. But we will NOT be getting Wall. Evan Turner is probably a little more realistic
why do we have to assume amare starts out of posission at the 5?
the dude is a much bigger defensive liability at center, not to mention the unspectacular rebounding and lack of shot blocking. also, buike at the 3 sucks. he’s 6’5".
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 29, 2010 3:03 AM PST up reply actions
Beans + Wright + expirings and that's my final offer at best
If they don’t like it they can forget it. He may not even be worth that.
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by dubzfan on Jan 25, 2010 1:16 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I agree totally
That was the trade I was thinking about, and I’m pretty sure they won’t get anything better than that. The Cavs don’t ahve much to offer except for Hickson, and Big Zs expiring contract, and the Timberwolves could offer Jefferson, or maybe Love, but I don’t see them doing that.
the Timberwolves could offer Jefferson, or maybe Love, but I don’t see them doing that.
So… Amare either plays SG or Love comes off the bench? I don’t think so… They’d have to include one of the two to make it work. Otherwise they’ll soon have 70% of their cap committed to 3 players playing 2 positions.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 25, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
I fear Monta, Maggette and Amar’e on the same team. Will anyone else even get a shot up?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 25, 2010 1:19 AM PST reply actions
I can see Suns wanting both Andris and Monta
They’re getting rid of an All-Star Big to a division rival so naturally, they’ll want more. I think I’d do it though.
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…they will want that type of talent for Amare but I think that’s too much talent to give up for a player who’s at the lower end of his career. He’s still a really good player but Andris and Monta are both young talents. If we do trade those two, we should get back someone who’s at the peak of their game… Bosh? Even then, that’s A LOT of talent we’re giving up but I’d consider it.
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Not being a homer, but
I honestly think Monta is a better player than Amar’e. I know, I know, Amar’e’s got the all-stars, etc., (he does not deserve to start this game, but oh well), but he also scores about 50% of his points on pick and rolls with Steve Nash, and, honestly, who couldn’t score with Nash as their PG? STAT is an average defender, average rebounder, poor passer, slightly selfish, and not a fantastic scorer. If you use him like a conventional big-man (that is to say, if you don’t have a top-3 all-time PG passing the ball to him), I think he loses 5PPG and 5% on his fg.
I still would love to get him, if the right deal shows up and we can keep him, but I think he is one of the most over-rated players in the game.
I’m not a fan of Amare, but to deny that he’s a fantastic scorer is just silly. Just like with Maggette, he’s a one trick pony (efficient scorer), but you can’t deny that one trick. His efficiency without Nash is just as good as it is on plays with Nash.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
i don't deny, but i question...
how great of a scorer can amare be with a diminished vertical leap and quickness, both lateral and otherwise, a permanent predisposition to eye injury, and no steve nash?
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 25, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Right on you Bimbo !!!
It’s true Amare scores 20 PPG……but most of those points are coming under the basket on passes from Nash and that’s a fact…
If you took Nash out of the equation his numbers would go down..I don’t know that he can create his own shot anymore, he looks limited….I still think he a presence under the basket on offense but I would not give up our young talent or pay him the Max and that’s final…..=)
Uhhh
I think JAE or someone has already shown that Amar’e efficiency doesn’t take a significant drop when he hasn’t played with Nash.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
How often hasn’t he played with Nash, though? I think JAE would probably admit that the non-Nash sample size is a bit too small to draw definitive conclusions from.
To me, it’s pretty telling that over the course of their partnership, Amare’s plus-minus has never been as good as Nash’s…
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
C’mon Sleepy, stay on topic, we’re just talking offense here. We’re ignoring Amare’s weaknesses in this convo. :)
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Were not getting Amare so this is just an exercise in futility….He don’t want to come here and we don’t want to pay him the MAX….
And for sure as a fan I don’t want to see us trade away our young talent him….I would rather go to Bosh with a max deal….but Riley already said he won’t be in the summer sweepstakes for the big names…so what he thinks is a star player might be suspect…
Out on a limb but
I’m curious as to what was being discussed during Ellison’s visit to Oracle arena during the Cavs game. Maybe Rowell and Cohan are fulfilling some terms of sale: get rid of the contracts of Maggs, Monta and/or Beans. Sign a large expiring like Amare. Make a play for Lebron. Try to resign Amare or let him walk and take the cap space to sign another ’10 free agent to go with Lebron. All while Ellison transitions to owner.
Haha … now there’s a very appealing limb.
I’d rather have a 10% shot at LeBron and a 0% shot at Amare than a 100% shot at Amare and 0% shot at LeBron…
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 3:11 AM PST up reply actions
Monta straight up for a 10% shot at LeBron? I’d consider it.
Give me 25% and it’s a deal.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Give me a Lebron...
and you’ll have yourself a deal.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Jan 25, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
This
Especially keeping in mind that we’ll also have at least a 5% chance at John Wall… with Steph Curry on the books. If we’ve got a back court of Wall & Curry, that easily doubles or triples the chances of LeBron signing with us.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 25, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
It's time to say this
Unless the Warriors clear around $16.9 million off of next year’s cap PLUS all of their draft picks, they won’t have enough space for LBJ or any other max player. And that would eliminate the chance to sign Morrow as well, since the Warriors do not have full Bird rights on him.
BUT...
Wouldn’t it be more appealing to already have Ellison as the owner when they try and go after Amare or Lebron? As a player, it would seem to me that an organization w/ an owner like Ellison would be a much better place to go to than one w/ Cohan at the reins!
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by scottiepimppen on Jan 25, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
maybe that's why ellison
went to oracle arena during the cavs game. to make the sell personally to lebron. sorry, at this point all i have are my conspiracies to keep me going with the warriors.
Win in the West???
The object is to win the championship, I don’t see Amar’e ever getting us there… if he couldn’t do it with Nash, Marion and D’Antoni, could he ever do it with the dubs?
But the potential from all the young, hurt guys, and Monta, Curry and Andris could be the key to a championship… I don’t think so but we don’t know for sure, but I do know Amar’e has played on better teams and not won, and he not getting any younger, I really hope no deal is made, barring the return of J-Rich!
I hate the “they never won a ring” argument. Sure, Stockton and Malone didn’t win a ring because they happened to play at the same time as Jordan (when he had Pippen alongside him). Sure, Nash + Amare never won a championship, though they very well might have if it wasn’t for one Robert Horry cheapshot. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t win in another situation though, or that they weren’t very good. It’s kind of ridiculous, especially when you consider how the Suns sell off draft picks and generally don’t spend the money to acquire that “one extra piece” to put them over the top…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Stockton and Malone made two NBA Finals and played MJ
It’s an awfully big reach to equate a team that lost in the conference finals twice (4-1 and 4-2) to that Utah team.
That’s missing the point. The point isn’t Suns = Jazz. It’s “they didn’t win a ring” is not a valid argument. If the Jazz were in the Eastern Conference, by the way, they never would have even reached the NBA Finals…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Pass on Amare
28 years, injury prone, defensive liability, poor rebounder, not big enough to play the 5… He only brings points, and we don’t know if could do it here without Nash. Right now, we are not playing run n gun indeed
I would prefer Al Jefferson. Biedrins, Morrow or Wright and our 1st round for him. 21-11 in january with 51% FG, 6-10, 275 lb with 7-2 wingspan who can defend the post
not big enough to play the 5
Wasn’t his best year and his teams best year when he was at center?
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He's such a miserable rebounder and defensive player
that it really doesn’t matter.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 25, 2010 3:06 AM PST up reply actions
Stoudemire
That’s why I really don’t want him. He’s a dominant scorer in the post, though, but it’s just not enough for me to pull the trigger. My offer wouldn’t be enough.
With the Suns in contention, Amar’e isn’t going anywhere to begin with.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 25, 2010 6:29 AM PST up reply actions
Contract year, right?
He should be stud of the year – but he’s just another decent 4. How effective was he in the W’s game? not very.
I would rather go after Boozer than Amare. We need a LOW POST scorer. Amare plays like a 3 rather than a 4.
Don’t want ANY part of Amare on the W’s. Not even if it were for just our expirings.
well, maybe if it was just the expirings….BUT not a player more!
Al Jefferson has a lot of the same problems as Amar'e
but is WAY less efficient.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 25, 2010 3:07 AM PST up reply actions
Way less efficient, to be sure — though he is a better rebounder, passer, and shotblocker. Not saying very much in the case of Amare, I know … One of my favorite disturbing Amare facts is that his assists plus blocks plus steals (2.7 per game total!) only marginally outnumber his turnovers (2.5). Just terrible stuff.
Moreover, Jefferson thus far hasn’t said explicitly that he doesn’t want to play for the Ws. But then, we’re halfway through the season his Jeff’s TS% is still .516 …
Blecch. I don’t want either. I’d probably rather give up Biedrins for a bag-of-balls / expirings than be saddled long-term with either Amare or Jefferson.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 3:26 AM PST up reply actions
I’d probably rather give up Biedrins for a bag-of-balls / expirings than be saddled long-term with either Amare or Jefferson.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 25, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
He is playing with Flynn
That is WAY big difference
BTW, I know Amare can be more efficient. But I think we need someone like AJ before a player who makes the stats Sleepy Freud said.
+1
Robin Lopez is probably more efficient than AJ. Why?
Steve Nash.
Also, it seems like most of the rumors involving the Dubs and Amar’e also involve Beans. That leaves us with no true center. Great.
and also because Robin Lopez doesn't try to score too much
He just doesn’t get to take 19 shots a game.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 25, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
Al Jefferson sucks. He’s a poor defender. He’s a flat out bad offensive player. All he does is rebound. I don’t want either, but I’d take Stoudemire over Jefferson any day of the week.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 3:28 AM PST up reply actions
No Way! No Amare...
Stoudemires best days are behind him and the Warriors should not give up their young talent for a player that is only going to get worse. He couldnt even dominate the Warriors big men when we played them! He has bad knees and cant jump and score like he used to. Plus he’s not a big rebounder which is what we need and also doesnt score in the low post. Dont see why the Warriors would even consider a trade for Stoudemire. Maybe 3-4 years ago but not now…
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FYI- Stoudemire had 15pts and 5 reb against a Warriors frontline full of D-League players. Not exactly what I would call and impact player the Warriors need to trade for. He should have had 30pts and 15rebs atleast. The old Amare from 3 years ago would have ate the Warriors frontline alive.
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Why bother looking at what he does over an entire season when we can judge him on one game…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree. We need to make a big trade but I don’t think Amare is the best choice. Bosh would look good in the new Dubs uniforms next year!
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Bosh
Getting Bosh we’d have to give up more than we’d give for Amare. Probably Ellis + Biedrins and Brandan Wright.
No Amare
First, the Suns are smarter than Warriors management. They are shopping Amara because they know he could opt out of his contract. The Warriors management did not think that with Baron Davis and look what happened. We lost him for Mags! Second, Amare already said that he did not want to play for GSW. So what does Warriors management do? They go after Amare again. If we deal with PHX, then I rather get Robin Lopez and Channing Frye. Lot cheaper.
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the real question mark
if somehow pheonix was willing to take andris and maggette (and i only say these 2 because they r 2 of our 3 long term contracts), and we LOST amare…. what could we feasibly get with the cap space? If we can’t answer anything worth andris + corey then we don’t make this trade.
I would rather keep tolliver, atleast for now.
I really like his game, his hustle, and he boxes out, rebounds and his shot is coming around (the three is still getting there slowly). But I am not really feeling the Amar’e trade anymore. Especially for Beans. honestly, I would rather have beans than Amar’e. I am saying this after saturday’s game and the other games ive seen Amar’e play. I would much much much rather have Bosh but that is probably unlikely unless Riley can pull off a miracle. He’s having a great year so far and he’s young.
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Bosh would be the best player
But I guarantee you Bosh will be in the same lineup with DWade next season.
That would almost be worth a “League Pass” bill.
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It would wouldn't it
Rafer
Wade
Beasley
Bosh
Jermaine
They’d tear people up oh man.
by bojangles408 on Jan 25, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Except for Wade and Bosh, that’s a pretty terrible lineup.
Wade and Bosh make it pretty awesome, though…
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
They would get some guys signing for cheap too
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a guy like Marcus Camby on that squad instead of Jermaine (who the Heat will have to extinguish all rights to in order to sign Bosh)
What about Boozer?
Would anyone want him??? Of the free agents, he’s probably only Big we could feasibly get. And then it’d still be an overpay. Of course all free agents are ‘overpaid’ that being said, his production this year has been awesome. In event we did pull this trade off and lost amare to free agency and got boozer….. What would people think?
Nope. Along with Boozer’s faults as a basketball player and the fact that trading talent for a one year rental doesn’t make senes for us, there’s also the little fact that Boozer is a piece of crap scumbag. Do not want.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
duke hater?
i hate duke too… but i like 20 points and 11 rebounds per game w/ an actual post game.
I do hate Duke, but I call Boozer a scumbag for what he did to Cleveland. That was low, dishonest, and really, really reflects badly on his character/integrity.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
hey, he denies it!
I dunno, just throwing a name out
Haha
That was worth the click.
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by olympicmike on Jan 25, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I'd prefer Boozer over Amare
I just can’t see Amare deciding to stick with the Warriors.
HYPE
This don’t make sense, Amare already said some scathing things about the W’s in the press last year and he can nix the deal by just saying he won’t resign…So what can we give up for a guy who won’t sign with us next year?
If it turns out he’s willing to sign he will want the max which is about 17 M a year…and this for a guy who looks to be in decline and made his living off the passing of Nash….
Having said that we can rent a Stat for a half season? or give him the max and make a real trade?
So the question is what would we have to give up to get him, I think Riley has been hinting that he is willing to give up some players we don’t want to in order to get a star type player, so who might those players be, the first one that comes to mind is Randolph, then it will require some larger contracts like Beans and possibly even Curry who was the deal breaker last summer…
So the question is are we willing to give up Randolph plus lose our only true big man who rebounds or even Curry?
I woulden’t even trade Curry straight up for Amare even if I could…
I was hyped at the draft when I thought we might get him but that hype has worn off, I don’t care that much for Amare after seeing his attitude and wanting more than he’s worth…he could be a cancer..
I woulden’t even trade Curry straight up for Amare even if I could…
I woulden’t even trade Curry straight up for Amare even if I could…LOL
I think that says it all…
God Willing...
I think that says it all…
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by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Missing Curry
That says Amare is not worth the price tag….You will have to give him 17 mill, and you would be stuck with him for better or for worse, that would be your franchise player…forget it..
This is why I would not even consider trading Curry for an overpaid PF who don’t play defense and has a hard time creating his own shot, he’s been making his living on Nash for years..
Now who’s the GM ?
an overpaid PF who don’t play defense and has a hard time creating his own shot
Will he be overpaid? Yes, I do believe so. Does he play defense? No, not really? A hard time creating his own shot, though? That’s simply not true. He’s one of the better scorers in the NBA (scores a pretty decent amount, and does so efficiently), and he does that when Nash is on the court, and when Nash is not on the court. Amare can score, denying that is just ridiculous. Also, Curry….eh, I wouldn’t hesitate to include him in a deal.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Also, Curry….eh, I wouldn’t hesitate to include him in a deal.
And that’s why your not a GM and why someday your going to change your name to,
“Missing Curry” =)
As soon as he’s able to consistently beat his man and put the defense at a disadvantage, I’ll just on board the Curry-wagon. Until he can do that, all the shooting and passing skills in the world aren’t going to make him a great player.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
As soon as he’s able to consistently beat his man and put the defense at a disadvantage, I’ll just on board the Curry-wagon. Until he can do that, all the shooting and passing skills in the world aren’t going to make him a great player.
HAHAHA !!!! You are one stubborn guy, well let me tell ya something, the Curry wagon has left the station and your missed the 5oc !! ;)
Uhh, have you been watching Curry?
If someone sets him a screen, he has no problem getting separation/a path to the basket. You are saying the only way a player can be good is if he can consistently blow by his man 1 on 1? If so, that makes absolutely no sense.
by randolphforpresident on Jan 25, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
No, I’m saying the only way a player can be an the type of impact/all-star caliber player some people seem to think Curry is, is by being able to beat their guy and put the defense at a disadvantage. I never said anything about 1 on 1. It’s about creating shots for himself and his teammates. I have yet to see him display much ability in that regards. He just doesn’t have the athleticism.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
So how much of friends are Curry and LeBron again?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 25, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
We need a big guy who is young and approaching his prime
Not a washed up blind has been
Thankfully
These rumors never turn out to be true.
Amare won’t help this team.
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What the ?
Amare is averaging 20 & 8
Andris is averaging nothing because of the injuries this season.
If we look at last season’s Andris, he still is only at 11 &11 with 0.7 more blocks than Amare.
Y’all are crazy. Amare is better than Andris and we need to try to grab him.
Have you all forgotten how injury prone Andris is as well? Maybe the chances of major injury are heavier with Amare, but the upside is way higher.
We need a low post guy we can depend on for easy points. Andris is not that guy.
I like Andris a lot, but he has peaked and we need to grab some talent at some point so other good players will come here.
The Amare risk is worth the reward
by warriorsvictim on Jan 25, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions
Except Andris’s numbers are in a lot fewer minutes played. But that’s also because he fouls a lot.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
It's worth...
…keeping in mind that adding Stoudemire’s extra points, we become a worse rebounding team, at least in any deal involving Biedrins. This isn’t an insignificant difference, either, especially for a team that’s already been getting throttled on the glass nightly. Rebounds matter, in fact, they’re one of the most important things a player can do to earn his keep on a basketball court.
Also Andris, if we’re just judging on hindsight to determine who is more injury prone, seems to be to have a more encouraging prognosis going forward. Stoudemire’s game seems to have hit a state of if not regress then at least arrest as he enters his late twenties, and with the early microfracture surgery it’s always difficult to say how his athletic ability will hold up. I don’t want to be signing on for Cavalier Shawn Kemp 2.0, basically (though it bears mentioning even as he packed on the pounds, Kemp was at his worst around Amare’s present as far as boards are concerned).
Nothing like a front page BIG MAN!™ rumor to bring out the crazies. There’s no reason to give up talent that’s going to be around here for years for a guy who’s only here for one year that we no longer have a shot for the playoffs for. Amare is not worth a max contract to begin with, and keeping him around means giving up talent AND giving him his free agent deal that he’s not worth. No thanks. Not gonna give up a productive player like Biedrins for that, or anything else worthwhile. There is absolutely no merit to an argument he’s worth it.
Also, if the Warriors weren’t willing to do Curry/Andris for Amare on draft night, why would they do it now that Curry has turned out to be a pretty good player? No thanks. There is going to be someone available that we can get for Raja+Speedy that will help us and not require giving up any talent.
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Hasn't Amare publically stated he would prefer not being a Warrior?
No thanks. I don’t care much for him anyways. I don’t know much about stats or how trades work, but I feel like whatever we would have to give up just to get him will make us a worse team anyways.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Jan 25, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions
No
He said if he’s going to be playing for a sub .500 team he’d RATHER stay on the Suns, where his friends and fans are.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I want Sammy Dalembert or Emeka
We need a pure defender and rebounder down low.
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I kinda want Dalembert, too (assuming he doesn’t cost us much in terms of talent), but let me tell you, he’s the type of player that drives you crazy watching him. Between being overpaid, looking lost out on the court at times, not being known as a “hustle player” if you get my drift (looks like he could improve his effort at times), and not living up to his potential….they really don’t like Dalembert out here in Philly. At least his contract is short, becomes an expiring next year.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
If he doesn't wanna be here
Don’t trade for him. The guy FLAT OUT said he does not want to play here, Amare is already past his peak and is definitely on the decline. I do not want to trade young talent for a “star” who could easily opt out of his contract leave us with nothing, someone who’s a poor rebounder and defender, 2 of our deepest holes by far. Would he be fun to watch? Sure. Would we go anywhere with 40 games left? Absolutely not. I would prefer to keep sucking it up so we have a shot at a top pick, and then we move from there. Amare brings us nothing. I wouldn’t trade him for Andris straight up personally. Andris is a rebounder and defender when healthy.
Stop making stuff up
The guy FLAT OUT said he does not want to play here
he never said that. He said he’d rather play for the Suns than go to a sub .500 team.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Go back and look
“Stoudemire has not discussed a contract extension with the Warriors and that he would not sign one with them, even if it’s for the maximum allowable.”
Full report: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Amare-Not-Feeling-Golden-State.html
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Ugh...
Hearing rumors like this come up just make me nervous. When it comes to pulling something like this off there are so few ways to get it right, and so very very many ways to get it wrong. I know Riley hasn’t made any major mistakes yet, but I just don’t trust this organization to be on the better side of a blockbuster trade right now.
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No. NOOO. No.
Amar’e is a very good player — much better than Al Jefferson, for instance — but I can’t think of another very good player who’d be as bad of a fit for this team. The one thing he does well is the one thing we already have. A post player would only help us if he could pass to our shooters when doubled, and Amar’e doesn’t do that.
Biedrins is the better rebounder, passer and defender…. those are three things we badly need. He scores less often than Amar’e, but just as efficiently, and given our wealth of ball-dominant players, you could argue that’s a positive. Biedrins is not as good as Amar’e, but the gap’s not nearly as big as it looks at first, and Biedrins is a vastly better fit for this team. Turning Biedrins into Amar’e wouldn’t make us better.
So we’re supposed to deal a young productive center on a good contract for a player who 1) won’t make us better, 2) is getting worse by the year, and 3) will either demand max money or walk? That’s already a no, before you even get into the idea of sending other good young players with Andris.
Amar’e is fool’s gold, and we dodged a bullet by turning down that trade this summer. I don’t know why we would blithely walk back into the path of that bullet. Do Not Want.
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by onlxn on Jan 25, 2010 12:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
well. according to Steinmetz, it’s a false rumor perpetrated by their interest in Amare around draft time.
… fingers crossed …
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
prediction: amare's stats as a starter on the warriors for one season
G GS MPG FG% 3PT% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
64 53 39.8 .513 .161 .744 2.6 6.3 8.9 1.4 .8 0.7 2.94 3.89 17.4
note the slight increase in rebounding and general decline of other statistical categories as staudemire takes more low percentage shots, and continues to decline athletically. also, of course, he will be forced to play a career high in minutes throughout the season until he is inevitably injured, causing him to miss a large portion of the season.
the public option is a pathetic compromise. death to the insurance companies!!!
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 25, 2010 12:24 PM PST reply actions
Well - Chris Sheridan of ESPN Sports Nation has spoken
On the Warriors, I can say this with 99.9 percent certainty: They are not going to get Amare Stoudemire, because he will not commit to signing an extension with them. So scratch them off Amare’s potential destination list.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30476
There you have it, folks!
Sheridan Ain't Too Bright
Well Sheridan also said the Warriors wouldn’t be able to trade Ellis because of his ankle injury and saying that it was “badly damaged” in the moped incident. If he knew anything, he would know his recent ankle sprain was his other ankle.
Between him and Hollinger, can we get any accurate info about Ellis on ESPN? No wonder he has no shot at being an All-Star!
Jake (Charlotte)
Will the Warriors try to trade Ellis to free up shots for Curry?
Chris Sheridan (3:07 PM)
Not with Ellis’ ankle acting up like it is now. That ankle was pretty badly damaged in that moped accident.
That was dumb of Sheridan to say that about Monta's ankle, when it makes no sense
But he is right about Amare not going to be traded to the Warriors. Amare already said that he doesn’t want to come to the Warriors, and that he wouldn’t re-sign. The rumor just came up because the Warriors had interest in him in the past, and Riley said he wanted to make a big move soon, so they made a stupid rumor by connecting the two.
Did he just say this in the last couple of days? That’s a seriously ignorant statement given that 1. He has shown no ill effects this season from that injury and is playing better than ever
2. His recent ankle injury was a sprain ON THE OTHER ANKLE that resulted from his foot getting stepped on.
For people who call themselves professionals, a whole lot of garbage gets written by the boys at ESPN.
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Woah
Deja vu
Oh, wait. I forgot I was standing in the
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 25, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
omg seriously omfg
where do sports journalists come from? hollywood upstairs journalism college and buffet?
bring back warriors roundtable! warriors weekly is a pretender to the throne of warriors themed TV shows!
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jan 29, 2010 3:06 AM PST up reply actions
No to Amare
In the amount of minutes he plays, he doesn’t put up numbers you would expect from a star. The Warriors already have two guys who are capable of putting up the same if not better numbers in the amount of minutes he plays, in Randolph and Wright. Both guys can put up 20+ points in 35 minutes, both can rebound better, and both can play bettert defense. There’s not point in trading for Amare even if he re-signs because they can get the same production out of guys when healthy. The only way I wouls trade for him and he re-signs, is by trading Biedrins or Wright, Morrow, and expirings, which they won’t do, so no to Amare.
hell no
With the money we’d be paying him he would be our number one franchise guy. Now let’s think is Amare the best player on a championship team. I dont think so. In my perspective he’s a great number on a championship team but he’s not the guy that’ll get you to the promised land. Therefore no. If we trade for a guy it should be clear that he could LEAD us to a title. That’s why the KG trade not going through was such a heart break.
No on Amare
Bosh is a much more attractive option because he plays well on both ends of the floor, and I believe he is a bit younger.
How about Maggette, Wright, Randolph, and salary filler (D. George and/or Speedy) for Bosh and an immediate extension?? Does Toronto make this deal? They are getting good talent for someone who is leaving anyway.
Another thing that makes Bosh more attractive than Amare is his being 5x better.
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 25, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
No way, that's way too much for Bosh
We would be way worse off after a trade like that for Bosh, and Bosh is really not that much better than Amare. The Warriors would be trading some of the best young talent in the NBA, and one of the most efficient scorers for a very good player, but not good enough for that package.
Response 1:
Another thing that makes Bosh more attractive than Amare is his being 5x better.
Response 2:
Bosh is really not that much better than Amare.
Ha. Seems like there is some disagreement as to how good these players are. Whomever you like, there is no doubt about one thing: you have to give up something of value to get something of value. I just read that George cannot be traded back to the Raps. And of course, I would not make this deal unless Bosh signed an immediate extension.
I think the hangup in my deal would be Maggette. Toronto would not want his contract or him taking up space in front of DeRozan.
There's no way they would include both Randolph and Wright
That’s what makes that package too much. It would probably be Wright or Randolph, Biedrins or Maggette, and expirings.
Why are the W’s so inclined to keep Wright and Randolph if they could get a proven commodity, a very legit PF who plays on both ends? Bosh should be the goal. I’m fairly willing to give up the house for him, and if the W’s could keep Biedrins and Turiaf, then the 4/5 positions are flat covered. Even Nellie couldn’t screw that up.
Wright has proven to be an effective big man when given PT and healthy.
^^ for Randolph.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Easier Said than Done
Bosh should be the goal.
I think Bosh would be too much, considering the Lakers are willing to give up Bynum for him. We have nothing to offer unless we package the combo of Biedrins + Randolph or maybe more.
And we really can’t afford to offer as much as the Lakers anyways since they’ll have a real shot at resigning him because they’re the Lakers, and they’re really good….whereas we won’t because our organization is a joke and everyone knows it. So they should value him more and be willing to trade more for him.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 6:55 AM PST up reply actions
The hangup in the deal is also Bosh. He seems to want to hit free agency…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Take away one of Wright or Randolph and replace with more filler.
But obviously that’s way less appealing to Toronto.
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by WarriorForLife on Jan 25, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Amare'can Idol latest update
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He’s not doing very well.
I wouldn’t touch this guy. He’s averaging about 8.5 rebounds while often being the only rebounding big on the floor for the Suns (playing alongside Frye).
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
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I wouldn't really care for Amare, but if Bosh was available,
I’d be open to trading Monta+expirings. (If Bosh agrees to an extension)
Depends
If Stoudemire signs an extension and Curry develops into Steve Nash then by all means make the trade.
So how long are you willing to let Curry develop before making the trade?
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Ehh
Never mind on the Curry statement. The trade deadline is less than a month and I doubt we’d start seeing some kind of Nash playing from Curry. But if Amare is willing to sign an extension at the end of the season, then I’d make the trade. Why at the end of the season? Because we don’t really know how effective he can be without a good PG (Nash). UNLESS, John Wall falls into our lap, which I highly doubt.
Except he’s always been effective when Nash isn’t on the floor…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Hehe
Not a big Suns fan (or watch many Suns games) so I guess I couldn’t say anything about his effectiveness in the game. I like Amare, but unless he’d sign an extension (which I doubt), I wouldn’t like to see him in a Warriors uniform. Call me crazy, but I’d give Monta + Biedrins for him. I guess I want to see the Warriors with a dominant big man for once that I’d give up the “star” Monta Ellis and Biedrins.
He isn't really a dominant big man.
He’s an efficient, faceup mid range jump shooter and pick and roll dunker from Steve Nash passes. He rarely posts up, or shows any inside game. His reputation is of a dominant big man, when in reality, he is a worse defending, rebounding, and 3 point shooting version of Dirk, with good athleticsm. Odd comparison, but it’s kinda the way he plays.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
He actually does have a decent post game. There’s not a whole lot to it, it’s more or less just being stronger, quicker, more explosive than whoever’s guarding him, but it works. He has pretty decent touch down low when he gets near the rim. I have nothing but good things to say about Amare when it comes to putting the ball in the hoop. The trouble is, that’s really all he does. That’s why I’m not a fan of his game, even if his scoring is pretty dominant (though less so this year than it’s been)….
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
IF these rumors are true.....which they ARE NOT
Minnesota would be the one to get STAT. Because the would offer Al Jefferson, and Phoenix would bite. It’s as simple as that folks. Dang…We’re such a great fan base, one little rumor like this and look how excited we’re getting! If the management had any idea how much we love this franchise……
Living for a magical 8th seed run
Warriors wont get Amare but if the rumors are true we have the best young talent to give PHX.
But isnt it like the Warriors to give up Andris+Randolph and expirings for half a season of GSW. This franchise is so poorly ran that I wouldnt be that surprised if that happened. Now I believe they could offer a package without Andris. A package involing Vlad, Claxton, Bell, Randolph and Morrow could do the trick
But even if the package was for Andris some of you people just boggle my mind. I dont want Amare, Amare is washed up, Amare is too old. I agree he is not the best defender or rebounder but ask yourself this..would the Warriors be improved by having him on the team? The answer is yes. Plain and simple. A frontcourt of Amare and Wright is better than Andris and Randolph. Plain and simple.
A frontcourt of Amare and Wright is better than Andris and Randolph. Plain and simple.
Meh. It’s not that plain or simple when you’re giving up the two best rebounders out of the four, as well as the only guy of the four with semi-realistic potential to be an elite player (elite, as in elite on both ends of the court). It’s also not that plain or simple when you’re talking about anchoring the team, in the form of a max-level extension, to a “big man” who doesn’t block shots, doesn’t rebound his position adequately, isn’t a leader (on court or off), doesn’t play defense, and doesn’t share the ball.
Alternatively, are you OK with giving up AR and AB to rent Amare for a half-season?
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Amare is going to help this team at all.
Lets see, we add scoring, and lose significant rebounding and defense (when this is already our biggest weakness), explain how making our defense and rebounding significantly worse will ever make us better. Shouldn’t we be trying to improve these areas not making them WAY worse.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
i think wright has the same potential as randolph
Wright is the better scorer and low post defender. Randolph the better rebounder. I see improvement from Wright on the boards because he was much better in his rookie year at rebounding. I see split in the middle of rookie and 2nd year rebounding for wright.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
wright could end up being the better player of the two, but i think it’s hard to argue that he has the same ceiling. randolph just has more tools and athleticism.
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I dunno
Wright’s athleticism, height, and wing span are all about equal to AR. According to reports, he is bulkier, and he is a more efficient and polished scorer. Randolph is just a better rebounder, and i’m not devaluing that. But Wright appears to be the better player when he is healthy ( big if too). And seeing how well Wright has developed his skills in terms of low post moves,i think it is fair to say that Wright is a more coachable, and easier to develop player. NOTE: Coachable.
And if i’m not mistaken Wright is 6-10 with a 7’4 wingspan and AR is 6-11.5 with a 7’3 or 7’4 wingspan. I haven’t seen anything to indicate AR is a superior athlete ( they both are amazing, AR probably has more lateral quickness, but Wright’s lateral quickness appears great for a 4.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Amare would have been great in 07-08
When, you know, the W’s were actually winning games regularly and desperately needed a big man to possibly “get to the next level”. Now? Not so much. Amare is basically a 3-month rental if he comes to Oakland so I rather just draft a big man with the top 5 pick they will likely have.
Win the inning.
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by WarriorForLife on Jan 25, 2010 10:43 PM PST reply actions
Andris + Maggs or Andris + Wright + Filler
is my guess.
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
its all about the free agents available this summer...
or it better be. Look, I don’t know or understand how the salary cap works – the Lakers have several players on their roster making buttloads of money but apparently they are still under the salary cap whereas the Warriors have half of those kind of players and we have the same amount of money to spend. Anyway, damn. If the Warriors are just gonna trade Monta Ellis for Ray Allen straight up and not follow it up by signing one of the heavyweights available this summer than it would be side-splitting because of how dementedly retarded the move would be. This is on top of basically just giving away Stephen Jackson, letting Baron Davis go and giving Jamal Crawford away too. All those players are currently thriving with their respective teams. I’ll have a wait and see attitude about this; if they sign a heavyweight this summer with the freed up money they’d have then God bless them, we’d become one of the top teams in the league over night and stay that way for years. If they don’t sign any of those big guys, I’m outta here and go team shopping because it would be almost scary how self destructive and incompetent that would be.
Have you watched the Clippers play since they got Baron? “Thriving” is the exact opposite of the word you’re looking for. He’s been pretty awful. Jack is still taking a lot of shots (and thus scoring a decent amount), but scoring inefficiently and he isn’t even racking up assists the way he was doing here, all he’s really doing is playing a lot of minutes. Kudos to Crawford for legitimately improving his game so far this season – he’s actually scoring efficiently, something he’s never done before in his career….but other than that, it’s still Jamal Craword. Awful defense. No rebounding. Not much of a passer…..
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
ex-warriors
Stephen Jackson has been amazing since he was traded. He’s leading his team to a probable playoff berth. I admit I’m wrong about Baron Davis, but I think he’s capable of being a great, its just that he’s playing for the most demoralizing franchise in any sport (why do the Clippers play in the same arena as the Lakers when they could play at the Honda Center)?
Why are so many people saying Beidrins is a better rebounder?
He grabs like 2 more than Amare. That is totally meaningless when you consider the potential for more made shots and more rebounds by other players due to the way other teams must play Amare.
That argument is total bologna.
Not that a swap is a perfect idea, but come on, Beans is not that good.
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