RUMOR: Monta Ellis to Boston Celtics, Ray Allen to Golden State Warriors
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 25, 2010 4:29 PM PST
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UPDATE (6:45pm): More details about the trade rumor below via CSN Bay Area.com video
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Well to quote the legendary Craig Mack we've got some brand new flava in ya ear... after the JUMP!
A. Sherrod Blakely writes for CSN New England Warriors may offer Ellis for Ray Allen:
While the Celtics have maintained repeatedly that they have no intentions of moving any of their core guys between now and the Feb. 18 trading deadline -- and I believe 'em on this one -- multiple league sources confirmed today that the Golden State Warriors are giving some thought to putting together a trade package that would involve Monta Ellis going to Boston in exchange for Allen.
But let's make things a little more spicier, as in culinary spices:
The Warriors see rookie Stephen Curry as the face of the franchise moving forward. One league source said the Warriors believe that Curry won't develop at the rate they would like as long as Ellis is around.
It's no secret the Warriors need a major shakeup if they're going to even have the slimmest chance at qualifying for the Western Conference Playoffs sometime this decade. Up and down this rostered is littered with young and mostly unproven talents. The highly paid vets on this team have a grand total of ZERO All-Star appearances collectively.
While Monta Ellis is having a superb season considering his Moped Gate comeback, heavy minutes, and lack of help (due to both lack of talent and perpetually injured teammates), it's hard to call him untouchable. He will never be a legit point guard in this league given his seemingly unsolvable high dribble and addiction to the dangerously sweet things in life... like apple TURNOVERS. His defense is vastly improved, but he's not exactly a shutdown defender. Monta's hoops IQ leaves a lot to be desired, especially at the end of quarters and games. His history of tantrums is indeed a huge red flag.
It's also true that the Monta Ellis- Stephen Curry backcourt probably won't go all that far. Baron Davis - Jason Richardson aka BoomRich they are not.
BUT trading him for an expiring contract at this point is just foolish. Absolutely foolish. Ray Allen is on the decline and will not re-sign with the Warriors this offseason. That cap space is worthless for a team owned by Chris Cohan.
Don't get me wrong. I do love Ray Allen. I mean who doesn't love some Jesus Shuttleworth? But this isn't about the Warriors brining in Ray Allen, it's about dumping more money from the books.
But I will remind you all...
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- Let the Ray Allen Trade Rumors Begin- Celtics fans are currently 50-50 on whether they'd make the deal. I'd heavily wager that there won't be that kind of split here in Dubs Nation.
- Ray Allen Headed Out of Beantown [SB Nation]
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we already have Ray Allen
his name is Anthony Morrow. but seriously? what would the celts do with Rando and Ellis? i do, however, think Morrow takin tips from Allen would be the shiz nit!
Ray Allen is so much better than Anthony Morrow it’s not even right to compare them. They’re wings and they can shoot, the similarities end there…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
right
…but Morrow is also half Allen’s age and has plenty of time to develop into an as good as, if not better player.
He has a long way to go to even come close to the player Allen is, and he’ll probably never become nearly as good. Allen is a lot more than a shooter. He’s a good athlete (Morrow is not), moves well without the ball, has good ballhandling skills, can get to the rim, is a better overall defender than Morrow, mostly because he actually has the athleticism for defense, which Morrow doesn’t…..yeah, Morrow just isn’t that good.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
just out of interest...
On what do you base the opinion that Morrow is not a good athlete??
Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Lack of quickness, both lateral and straight ahead. Lack of jumping ability. Not very explosive in general. Not particularly fast in transition. On the other hand, you have Ray Allen:
Let’s remember he was in the dunk contest (:49-1:09 in the video).
3 dunks from his old days, video quality is horrible, sorry about that, but the dunks are worth checking out: 1 2 3
Slightly higher quality video of old Ray Allen dunking while on the Celtics.
4 minute highlight reel of Allen, mostly 3 point shots, I’d only watch it if you have nothing else to do. A couple of dunks and other plays that highlight his athleticism, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Allen is old, Morrow is up and coming. i want to believe Morrow can be as good as if not better. he just needs some time to develop his game.
i want to believe Morrow can be as good as if not better
Sure, I want to believe that, too. Morrow is a very good set shooter, not trying to take that away from him. But as I highlighted, he has so many shortcomings compared to Allen, it’s just not very likely he becomes nearly as good. Can you ever see Anthony Morrow in the dunk contest? Yeah, me neither. Let’s remember Ray Allen was very, very good and much more than just a shooter. Only a small handful of NBA players at a given time become as good or better than Allen. Probability is working against Morrow pretty strongly.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, Morrow would do pretty well in a dunk contest. I go to all the Warriors games and I would say in the warm-ups he shows the best dunking ability on the team after Monta and Randolph.
I certainly agree with your premise that Morrow is not a good player and will never be anything close to Ray Allen as a player, but Morrow is actually pretty athletic. He has good hops, decent quickness and good speed. It’s just that Anthony Morrow, other than shooting, is one of the least skilled wings in the league. He can’t dribble, he can’t pass and does not have good hands, despite his great outside shooting. In fact, if you said he was the worst wing dribbler in the league, I wouldn’t argue.
Alternatively, Ray Allen was considered to be a PG candidate out of college. He’s a terrific ball handler and a good passer, who has a feel for the game, and there in lies the main differences between the two. Morrow does not have a natural feel for the game, ala Allen and Stephen Curry, and doesn’t have a clue how to get open.
by San Francisco Slim on Jan 26, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think MB’s analysis of the two is an indictment of Morrow. I think a lot of people see Allen as the 4th or maybe even 5th wheel for Boston now and forget how good he really is. His current TS% (.571) is only a shade under his stellar career mark (.575) and while he isnt the shut down defender he was in his prime he’s still not terrible on that end of the court. He still rebounds his position adequately, passes the ball pretty well, doesn’t turn the ball over much for a guard, is pretty durable, and makes his defender work really hard on the defensive end.
Thing A
I pretty much agree with this assessment, but it’s worth noting that Morrow’s defensive numbers — DRtg, on-court/off-court, etc. — have taken a significant leap this season. And while it’s hard to put too much weight on those, as defensive numbers are murky in general and our positional muddiness murks things doubly, that seems right to me, based on watching him… he’s causing more deflections, grabbing a few more steals, staying in front of his man a bit better. We’ve defended slightly better with Morrow than without him. I think he’ll be a decent defender with time.
I do think Morrow’s limited athleticism is a problem — he’s had real trouble getting himself open since defenses started keying in on him — but I think he will be better than he’s been. He’ll never be a star, but I think he could become a credible starter-quality player.
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I’ll start watching him a bit more to see how his defense looks to me. Your evaluation seems pretty reasonable to me. He rebounds, he’s such a good shooter that he still scores a decent amount and wtih very good efficiency. Yeah, he’s a useful player, but Ray Allen? Very unlikely.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
+1
In two years, Morrow will be better than Jesus Shuttlesworth (at that time, not looking at entire careers).
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What about Morrow has indicated he’ll be that good? I get it, Morrow is a good shooter (good spot up shooter, that is), but other than that….what makes you think he’s going to be more than just a shooter? I have yet to see a whole lot else in his game besides that. Other than just the simple fact that he plays for the team you root for…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he was saying that Morrow will be better than 37 year old Ray Ray
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 26, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Thats reasonable to think
considering Morrow will be 26.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 26, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Morrow is better than Ray Allen now.
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
yes
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Allen might think about shooting more than 34% from 3pt range. And his 44% from the field is awful for a guy who does Nothing else.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, alot of people think Ray Allen is just a 3 pt specialist
but once they look at his career numbers, they will realize he was a great player in other aspects, that his 3 point shooting is just the most notable thing, as it is legendary. Morrow has a long way to just being as good of a shooter as Ray Allen. Lets not get started with " Morrow is better than Ray Allen, in all aspects".
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 26, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Allen’s career numbers have nothing to do with how he is playing this year. Or, whether or not he is better than Morrow At This Moment.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
I’d argue he’s still a better defender than Morrow but thats probably debatable. Things that aren’t really debatable: he still passes the ball much better the Morrow, he still handles the ball much better than Morrow and he still makes his defender work a whole lot harder on defense than Morrow.
Thing A
Just to be clear when I started the conversation it was more tailored along the lines of Ray Allen’s career. Are we really striving to have a player who’s better than a 34 year old who’s best days are clearly behind him?
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Marrow is a better 3 pt shooter then ray ray end of story. marrows the best 3 shooter in the game. if he is in the contest he will show you.
by warriorstoptrading on Feb 1, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
wrong
Morrow will be a great player. his progress, focus and confidence are awesome. You have no idea what your taking about ray Allen could use some tips from marrow on his shot ewe!
by warriorstoptrading on Feb 1, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Rondo and Ellis
would be the stealinest backcourt in the NBA
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 25, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Like Monta and Curry
but an extra steal per game.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 26, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
If Monta played for Boston he’d get twice as many steal. Because all the fouls calls wouldn’t automatically go against him.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Maggette for RAy RAy please
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by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 26, 2010 2:15 AM PST up reply actions
Maggs + Bad Vlad for Ray Ray
Trade machine says we go -8 wins, they go +7.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 26, 2010 2:20 AM PST up reply actions
Rumors
99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!
Well, this is one that isn’t that much fun if you ask me. Then again, we could get creative and include Rajon Rondo in this since we all know that Allen in exchange for Ellis in a one-for-one deal is 100 percent not true.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 25, 2010 4:39 PM PST reply actions
Just as is
any such deal involving Rondo.
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by Steve Weinman on Jan 25, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
meh
I’m not as against this as I’m sure most everyone else will be, but it seems like they’d have to at least take VladRad’s last year off our hands and/or include a 1st round pick or two.
Thing A
and
I assume this trade (assuming it dumps the commitments to both Ellis and VladRad next season) would mean the team was really committed to making a run at Stoudemire or Bosh.
Thing A
That’s the only way I could see this trade working.
We would have to trade for Bosh or Stoudemire. Only problem is that both of those teams got SG’s.
The Suns rock with Richardson =( and Barbosa. The Raptors got Marco! YAY, and DeRozen. I doubt either would want Allen.
true, I dont like our chances of signing either of those guys unless we can offer them more money than anyone else. I don’t really want to sign Amare anyway, but if they idea was to have a new ownership group make a serious attempt to woo Bosh in the offseason I’d probably give up Monta for the small chance that Bosh would come here.
Thing A
That’s the thing…
If we don’t get Bosh in this off-season, we lost Allen/Ellis/Vlad with really no compensation on any end of it. Right now I would rather have Bosh over Amar’e as well, but I wouldn’t reject either over our current situation.
Also, could the Warriors be planning a John Wall run?
Wall and Curry in the backcourt?
They can get the #1 pick.
Its all the luck of the draw.
They could easily get that #1 pick if they honestly lose enough games (and with the way they are going, I wouldn’t doubt it).
that's highly unlikely
you don’t realize how unrealistic that plan would be. The Nets are for sure going to have the best chance at him because they probably won’t even reach the Warriors win total right now. You’re right that they can get it, but the chances that they will are very slim. And losing games will help, but not much because there will be at least 4 teams losing more than the Warriors.
I never once said it was a good plan
I’m just saying its completely possible. There have been years (not like I can remember any) where the team with the best odds didn’t get the #1 pick. In fact I think it was a couple years ago with Derrick Rose if I’m not mistaken, where the Bulls came out of nowhere to get him.
Its all possible. I’m sure the front office isn’t thinking like that though..at least I hope not.
The “team with the best odds” only has a 25% chance of getting the first pick. Nobody has good odds…especially us wherever we finish.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
True
Monta + Vlad Rad for Ray Allen and I’’d pull the trigger.
I’m not sure that I would pull the trigger on that deal, but I’m not gonna throw a fit if they make that deal.
Thing A
Why would you be ok with it? We’re essentially giving Monta away for nothing in that case…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I just dont think this team is very good even when healthy. I know trading away talent for nothing probably isnt a good strategy for fixing that, but at least Monta+VladRad would be a commitment to starting over and possibly make the team a little more attractive to any potential new ownership groups. I’d be willing to reserve judgement at least until the team used the cap space the deal freed up. In all liklihood theyd blow the cap space on someone like Tracy McGrady or Nate Robinson and then I’d be livid. But if there’s a small chance Ellison buys the team and somehow convinces Bosh to come the trade would be an incredible steal. I still dont like the idea, I just dislike it less than you and most others, but I totally understand why you guys feel the way you do about it.
Thing A
Yeah I’m just not ok with starting over. Been through it too many times. I think we got a lot of good young pieces to make something happen right now, and I’d like to see where it leads us. Maybe Monta is a piece to trade for a star. Maybe not…I just don’t want to see us give up talent for nothing. We’re still in the “collecting talent” phase…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I just don’t want to see us give up talent for nothing. We’re still in the "collecting talent" phase…
And i can’t see Riley trading Monta for an expiring. He’s been vocal in understanding GSW’s status among the league. Politely saying no one wants to come here. He’s not wrong either, until the culture changes and people see an upturn in Oakland, it will be this way.
What i found interesting is the report said Riley is not privy to these ‘feelers’… If this is really upper management fooling around in the GM’s job again, I’ll just be disapointed beyond belief.
I would give up anyone but Monta and Curry for Allen
Giving up Monta is just foolish. Allen is old and will leave the league in a couple of years. What’s the point of a salary dump? We are already in rebuilding mode. It’s foolish to start over.
+1
I agree we always find who gonna be our franchise player. But if find it we always end up giving it up or trading it. Silly silly trade humor I hate just talking about it
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This might make some people (myself included) revolt against the Warriors. This would by far be one of the stupidest things that we could do.
However, if we traded Monta for Allen and then swung around and traded Allen and Vlad for Bosh, resigned Bosh, I wouldn’t mind that so much.
Monta for just Allen? In fact us giving more pieces? Wow…just wow.
seriously....
lets just do monta for al jefferson straight up and get a PF/C that can actually play instead of an old hack like Ray Allen
also save ourselves one year of contract while not dumping the team down the toilet!
curry/morrow-shooting
jefferson/biedrins-rebounding/scoring
randolph/maggette-working the midrange
al jefferson straight up and get a PF/C that can actually play
That seems a bit of a contradiction right there. Al Jefferson sucks.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
"Al Jefferson sucks"?
I haven’t heard that one before. Anybody who routinely demands a double team doesn’t qualify as sucking. Sure other aspects to his game aren’t great, and he certainly hasn’t made the Wolves a winner, but the idea of trading Monta for another good young player has some validity.
However, I’m not the biggest Jefferson fan either and I can guess who also isn’t….Don Nelson. Stoudemire has a Nelson game, Jefferson is too much of a plodder. Warriors won’t trade for AJ during this regime.
So what about combining the two rumored trades. Monta for Stoudemire? Monta, Bell and Wright for Stoudemire and Barbosa?
by San Francisco Slim on Jan 26, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
The problem with Jefferson is the only thing he brings to winning basketball is his rebounding. He’s not a good defender. Offensively, he doesn’t do a single thing to help a team win games. He might command a double team, but he can’t pass out of it effectively. He doesn’t score efficiently. His scoring actually hurts his (well maybe not his because they’re awful, but most other teams) team rather than helps….yeah, Al Jefferson sucks alright.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I haven’t heard that one before.
There are several users on this site that really don’t like Al Jefferson and think that he’s way overrated.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 26, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
not that stats don't lie
I just think he has been in an unfortunate situation that doesn’t stress or help his strengths. I mean putting him at Center next to another undersized no defense forward isn’t going to help the situation. I love ‘Love’ but he is not a good defender, and his lack of size hurts too. Not a good fit. If they could get Amare for Jefferson, i think that would be a great fit for that team.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 26, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Not very good from Boston's end either
Seeing how the Celt’s conerstones are unselfish passing and defense.
starting 6’3" Ellis next to 6’1" Rondo would be a sure way to get bounced from the playoffs, going up against the Joe Johnson’s, Vince Carter’s, and Kobe Bryant’s of the world.
Then on offense, without the spacing Ray provides, Rondo wouldn’t be able to exploit defenses so easily. That worsens yet when Ray’s replacement needs to have the ball in his hands that much more often too. I can’t see Monta fitting in chemistry-wise at all.
Except Monta is a great off ball offensive player. I agree on the spacing, it helps to have him shoot, but Monta + Rondo would create a lot of easy opportunities. Fast breaks, dribble drives as Monta cuts, alley oops….Monta has already proven to be great without the ball in his hands when we had Baron around.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
and rondo is a better player than baron was so....
monta would only be better
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Monta PPG> Monta IQ
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Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
I dont believe that rondo is better than Baron :S
Although Monta would benefit from having a good point guard again.
Monta + Rondo would be an amazing backcourt that would give everyone fits, but Boston doesn’t have enough three point shooters to dump Ray Allen. Relying on Sheed and Eddie House to stretch the defense is a pretty sorry situation to be in. I don’t really give this rumor much credibility becuase I don’t see it benefiting either team as much as other deals that could be made for the same players.
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Yeah, Rasheed has mainly been the bad shooter this year.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 26, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Hell no
This is a new jerk reaction casue of how well Steph played without Monta. He is not a francise savior and neither is Monta But together they are a great back court. This trade would be an all time worst for us (close to it) giving up a player just getting into his prime for Allen. Monta is an all star caliber guy and just cause Steph played well in 2 games does not mean he is going to be the face of the team which he will never be. Curry’s ceiling is very predictable unlike Monta’s.
On the economic side of things it is cap relief for us but who wants to sign especially after they see this move and how we have been in the past. The money we get from all our expirings this year we will handle like we always do, not due anything with it and let it just die saving Cohan’s F’n (excuse my abbreviated french) money. This money would do nothing for us in the long run, short term or in free agency.
Curry’s ceiling is borderline all star at best but not a huge difference maker, Ellis is a “star” (star as in Granger,Pierce not Lebron/Kobe ) and with both of them we can have one of the best duo’s in the league. This move is all abot saving Cohan’s money.
Chemistry wise for both teams it’s stupid, for us we get a guy who can’t carry the load offensively like Monta can ( no arguments on efficiency please, I know he’s not the greatest 1st option but he can handle his own) and will just take time from Morrow. For them like what D Dub said he doesn’t fit there team at all and even though Ellis is better than Allen it’s like trading OJ Mayo for Josh Howard. It may be an upgrade but he does not make them better, if anything Ellis makes Boston that much worse to open the door for the Cavs, Magic,Hawks,Lakers,Nuggets etc.
This goes on the whole organization blame wise. Cohan for doing his usually dirty deeds, Rowell for being a dumb arse, Riley for even considering it or just being a push over, Nellie for not saying no to this/supporting anything like this and the rest of the coaching staff for not backing him or saying anything to the FO. This even the could be completely false has me infuriated. We don’t have a plan. One minute we say trade Ellis he lied, than saying he’s going to be an all star he’s a keeper and so is Maggs, to trade Ellis for RAY ALLEN cause Curry has played 1 1/2 good games without Monta, both games we lost.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
knee* jerk, franchise*, about* saving... this could be completely false but has me infuriated*
Sorry for the numerous grammar mistakes, I’m just so worked up about this. We need an edit button (lol) , but seriously I wrote this out of the moment in sheer anger, no warnings/bans needed mods, sorry.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
It's all good
I completely agree w/ your 1st paragraph, this trade is all wrong and completely made up.
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by Cannonballden on Jan 25, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
While I agree this trade seems a terrible idea to me...
I do laugh when I read a comment like ’Curry’s ceiling is very predictable!’ ??? Could you share with us how you get such GOLD market intelligence and can you also do the same with stocks and shares!? ;-)
No one knows how good this kid might be… but those with MANY MANY years experience in the NBA all seem to be singing the same tune with regards Curry and that is, he has great ‘potential’…. therefore it is hard to see how this might have such a sure fired ceiling in your opinion? Unless you have some secret magic hoodoo…? :-)
Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
I’m really not seeing that “great” potential tune. Generally “potential” is mostly based on physical traits, that is, how little a players physical abilities hold them back. That’s why big guys like Oden and Thabeet get drafted so high every year – because their “potential” is so great with their size/athelticism combo. Anyways, back to Curry, his physical limitations put a ceiling on him we can actually see, so he has that working against him. There’s a chance he exceeds that, after all, Steve Nash did and I don’t see anything about Nash (in terms of athleticism) that’s better than what Curry has, but still, the chances are small. Also, if Curry’s potential was really so high, he probably would have been drafted higher…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
so that makes it fact eh?
or just your opinion? Because ‘potential’ is not measured by physical traits in my book!
There seems to be a great deal more being said about his ‘potential’ whatever they mean by that than against him at this point. I have no issue with anyone having differing views and opinions, but I do find it more than a little annoying to then have that portrayed as anything other than an opinion.
As you said… while a small chance…Curry may well exceed anyones expctations or ‘ceiling’ on his physical abilities….YOU dont know, I dont know….no one knows…despite how they may wish to pitch it… all we can do is wait and see..
Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Well the whole point of bringing Thabeet/Oden up is to give examples of what NBA teams value as “potential”. It’s why guys like Randolph and Wright are labeled as “potential”. It’s how DeMar DeRozen gets drafted in the Top 10. It’s how Russell Westbrook gets drafted so high, and why Brook Lopez falls to the 10th spot (wasn’t regarded as anything more than a solid athlete). When NBA decisionmakers talk about potential – their actions indicate their physical traits are what they’re talking about.
Now, don’t get me wrong, potential (kinda like “basketball IQ”) is a vague word, anyone can interpret it however they want. I also don’t think physical attributes (height/weight/strength/athleticism) are all that meaningful when it comes to a players chances of actually fulfilling this “potential” we hear about, at least in most cases. So I see where you’re coming from, and I’m not trying to say you’re wrong, but specific to Curry, he really is lacking that athleticism he probably needs to become an impact player. It’s possible he can overcome his phsyical attributes, as someone like Steve Nash has, that just doesn’t happen very often. In most cases a players physical attributes puts a ceiling on how good they can be, even if it’s not a huge factor in how good the player actually becomes…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a pretty bold statement to make about Curry’s cap being “very predictable”. You seem quite sure of yourself. Is that statement being made based on the “fact” that you need to be a freakish athlete in this league to be a good player? The name Steve Nash comes to mind, and based on some of the brilliant flashes that Curry has shown in the first half of his rookie year, I don’t think those references are too far fetched
by Throw up the Dub on Jan 26, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
To throw up the dub and Brit warrior
Not saying you have to be a great athlete but we know his ceiling, you can’t compare an all time great to a rookie. Maybe in style and there are some similarities but Raymond Felton can be compared to Baron, doesn’t mean he is as good. Curry will be VERY solid and maybe an all star but he will never be a face of the team . He will be a key part but the number 1 guy? He does not have the potential to be a franchise player.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Tyreke is possibly
His potential is sky high and could be an all star this year. He’s much better than Rose as well.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
again.....
In YOUR opinion…. which is fine. I actually personally believe this kid ‘could’ become franchise player…
Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but that's just YOUR opinion...
I kid, I kid. But seriously, do you really have to remind anyone that has a different opinion than yourself that it’s just their opinion? I think it’s kind of implied that the things we say on this blog are just our opinions, unless we are referencing a specific stat or report etc. Player projections are subjective by nature, so you can try to support your case with facts as best you can, but in the end you are only voicing your opinion.
Of course, not all opinions are created equal…
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
I will be so mad if this stupid rumor were to happen
Ray Allen is 10 years older than Monta, and scores 10 less points a game. This rumor makes absolutley no sense at all. The Warriors know that they aren’t going to get a big name in free agency, so why would they trade for soon to be 35 year old Ray Allen, who becomes a free agent? That cap space would go towards absolutely nothing but re-signing some guy to a ridiculously huge contract(think Dunmurphy). I think this rumor is absolute bs. The Celtics would never be able to pull off a trade like that unless they traded Rondo, which they won’t, because they have no good pieces with a future past 2013.
The only way I like this is if it ends up with LeBron and Larry Ellison (and a head coach of LeBron’s choosing) in the Bay.
I mean, Steph and LeBron are BFFs, right…?
Back on planet earth: if we’re not getting LeBron, Bosh or Wade out of it (as is likely the case) I’m not remotely interested.
There will be no extra point!
Quick question...
How did Curry and LeBron get to know each other? What’s the connection?
Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
I think Lebron just liked Curry when he was in college and got in touch with him. Supposedly Lebron reaches out to younger guys a decent amount to try to mentor them, give them advice, and such. I know he showed up for one of Curry’s games while he was still in college.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
ahhh I see.. ta
Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Ray Allen is old and gone after this year. Why would we want him?
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he meant “please!” as in “puh-leeeze!”…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 25, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, maybe, you never know for sure with good ol’ Rocky.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
You never know with the rock-ster!
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Ha yeah. Never gonna happen.
Also – no Al Jefferson for me. No chris Bosh, no Amare.
No trade needed in fact. There’s no one out there I want or we can get in a trade.
The only way to salvation is:
1. Health
2. Good draft in ’09
3. Sign a good rebounding Defense oriented power forward. (oh and keep Tolliver for insurance – love that guy).
4. Oh, and did anyone mention it would be awesome of CC sold the team?
Whoever invented rope was a real a-hole!
by Cannonballden on Jan 25, 2010 5:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
*
Good draft in 2010.
And for FA PFs: I’m all about David Lee or a similar 2nd tier player
Whoever invented rope was a real a-hole!
by Cannonballden on Jan 25, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed!
All this talk about Bosh, Amare – makes me nervous. With the Warriors team we have now, we need guys to surround our youth and let them develop, not look to ship out potentially future stars. Randolph, Curry, Ellis, this is the core of our team. Maybe Wright and Buike as well.
If we can get rebounding beef in the paint without trading any of these guys that’s great, otherwise don’t make any moves.
not look to ship out potentially future stars
Well, if we can get an actual star for a “potential” star or two, that’s fine, the bigger problem is Amare isn’t that guy (all he provides is scoring), and Bosh seems unrealistic to get in a deal that actually makes sense for us. Remember that “potential stars” rarely end up actually becoming stars….
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
I like bosh, wish we could sign him without giving up anything, you think things will change with Ellison at the helm instead of CC? like free agents will actively WANT to come here? I don’t know, I think the front office stigma will be with us for at least a few years if Ellison bought the dubz while he tries to steady the ship, and possibly clean up shop….
Yeah, it’ll take a couple years to establish ourselves as a winning franchise before perceptions really start to change…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Amen
Health is definitely something that needs to improve for the Warriors to compete net year.
I believe you meant a good draft for 2010
Trading for Amare not a good idea because he’s not a great rebounder, and if they do trade for Bosh which is the best option of the three they have to sign him long term otherwise no trade should be made.
It would be amazing if CC sold the team.
Did anyone ever consider the possibility that Cohan just wants to save money? Maybe he gets rid of Ellis, lets Allen leave, and we don’t use the space on anything.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 25, 2010 5:41 PM PST reply actions
Re: Did anyone ever consider the possibility that Cohan just wants to save money? Maybe he gets rid of Ellis, lets Allen leave, and we don’t use the space on anything.
I definitely wouldn’t put it past Cohan to think about saving money over having a winning team, but by not putting out a winning team he won’t be able to MAKE money! Sounds like a double edged sword if you ask me.
Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!
by scottiepimppen on Jan 25, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Is he making money from all our winning right now?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 25, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
This is probably.......
The most stupidest proposal I’ve ever heard. Monta does have his ups but trading him for Ray Allen is almost like an insult to us fans.
Monta’s been handling the media scrutiny pretty well as the teams new leader and he’s adjusting to it very well lately.
I don’t see Curry as the teams franchise player. He’s an average point guard at this point in his career, Monta’s no different, but Monta is instant offense and losing that kind of fire power for a player who’s offensive game isn’t even close to Monta’s is a joke.
I guess this franchise just loves the idea of potential…….
Agreed that this is just dumb dumb dumb.
And I’m one of the people who think that some of y’all are overrating Monta.
But this is just stupid. This team shouldn’t be giving up young players for old players. Ray Allen is in serious decline (wp48 .092 is better than Monta’s number, but most of us expect Monta’s number to come back up).
Dumb dumb dumb. THis is the sort of move (young player for an old player who won’t stick around, and won’t help us that much even if he did) that will make me give up being a Warriors fan.
agreed that it’s aggressively stupid, but it’s not about trading a young guy for an old guy, so much as it’s about trading a guy with a few years left on his deal for an expiring contract. it is still really dumb, but dumb because monta is probably worth his contract, not because ray allen is old.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Really hoping
that this is 100% pure BS and was never even a thought that entered anyone in the FO’s mind…it makes no sense…i dont want to have to prematurely retire another jersey
Ray Allen has always been one of my favorites but
at this point if we were trading Ellis, I’m sure we could get something better than an aging Ray Allen
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Jan 25, 2010 5:58 PM PST reply actions
all I can say is Wow
I’ve always been a Ray Allen fan, but at his age this would basically be a straight salary dump. I would be distraught if this happened.
In Steph’s first full game without Monta where he could really his show his abilities as a “point guard” he shot like 10 for 25 or something with 2 assists. People are sure he’s the face of the franchise going forward?
If this is true...
then Larry Riley is a liar. He said about a week or so ago that the Warriors were looking to acquire another top-flight player to go along with Ellis and Maggette, not trade Monta for a guy who was a top-flight player in 2006. If this happens, then it will be very hard to keep supporting this team because I cannot stand the stupidity in the front office. Year after year they give us a team that gets hyped up to be a team that will be able to make some noise, but then when things look like they will be getting better in the near future, they like to blow it up and start from scratch.
When people say sell high...
I do not think this is what they mean
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2010 6:31 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Maybe
The Warriors would have to be “high” to “sell” like this.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 25, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
HAHHAHAHAHAH
niiiiiiice….
Seriously – this is the LAMEST rumor i’ve ever heard. The W’s aren’t going to trade Monta for another guard, let alone one that’s about to retire.
Monta is ONLY dealt for a 4 or a 5.
Monta’s hoops IQ leaves a lot to be desired
How so? Be more specific. I’m tired of hearing people use a general phrase like basketball IQ negatively against Ellis. The phrase can mean a lot of different things, some of which Ellis is very, very good at…..
Allen for Ellis? Giving away talent for nothing doesn’t make sense. Absolutely not.
specifics...
Look at almost all the end of game decisions he has made this year. Notice how when he decides to drive to the basket, he rarely passes out of a double team, note his inability to see the play 2 or 3 passes in advance the way a great PG like nash and even curry does. Note his turnover ratio (getting better).
I love Monta and think he’ll eventually learn this stuff, but his bball IQ isn’t where it needs to be yet.
I don’t think Monta will ever have the bball IQ Allen has (he’s one of the best in the league in this department) but I wouldn’t make the trade either.
I go into this below in the thread, so you can read it down below, but in terms of “his inability to see the play 2 or 3 passes in advance”, I strongly disagree. When Monta doesn’t have the ball and when he’s on D, he shows this ability all the time. I think it’s more a function of his poor vision (with the ball)/ball handling/passing skills than his anticipation and understanding of the game, because it only seems to happen when the ball is in his hands. I really think ballhandling is holding him back a significant amount. If he gets to the point where he dribbles lower instictively, and never has to look at the ball, he’ll be able to keep his head up and significantly improve his vision, it’ll cut down on his turnovers, and he’ll have greater control over the ball to make quicker/more timely/easier passes. It’s frustrating watching just how bad his ball handling is, as a PG/SG in the NBA who’s been a slashing wing his whole life (and primary playmaker), you would think he’d have that skill down by now.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
i will never watch them again
Monta is what he is.. a high volume shooter who will never be a true point guard. that being said Ray is an old man who can only shoot and no longer can beat people off the dribble. Making this trade would show that we have no desire at getting better and that the team should be sold to Mr Oracle. If they get someone young like Ellis who has a big upside thats one thing but to just give him away is a joke
Sounds just like what the Warriors always do. Finally get a good player, piss him off, then trade him.
by aBulldog on Jan 25, 2010 6:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why doesn't anyone read the entire article
The last line is the most accurate. It say the likelihhod of this trade happening is slim to none.
by Eschew Obfuscation on Jan 25, 2010 6:56 PM PST reply actions
Here's my thoughts on the deal:
A Ray Allen for Monta Ellis deal only accomplishes one thing for the Warriors: Cap Space. Ray Allen is a good player still, but we aren’t making a playoff push, and i doubt he doesn’t re-sign with Boston in the offseason. So honestly Monta Ellis for Bobby Simmons would have the same impact of a trade.
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
So the point of this is to facilitate Curry in growing?
How do we know Curry isn’t going to be on the first boat out of the bay as soon as he can? Do we not remember him hitting the table because he was picked one spot before the Knicks? And what team couldn’t use two supposed stars? I’m pretty sure Warriors management asks no questions before making a decision. Make a pro and cons list Riley and Cohan you stupid bastards.
Yeah, that part doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. If that’s what we’re interested in, we could try not playing Monta all 48 minutes and giving Curry 15 minutes or so a game without Monta on the court…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
This would make too much sense
by Duh Duh Man on Jan 25, 2010 8:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
from Marcus Thompson
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I have been told emphatically by multiple sources that Monta is not being traded.
by sjsnider on Jan 25, 2010 7:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just posted that in a fanshot
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truth is..
monta needs to be traded for a solid 2guard or somebody thats worth the same in value. if that happens, curry will flourish even more and develop more rapidly. i love monta, but the warriors do play better without him because the offense runs through curry and there is more movement with and without the ball. curry and monta are the same player with monta having more athletic ability and curry have more vision and passing ability. and were all lying to ourselves by thinking curry and monta get along and trust each other 100 percent. i love monta like i said, but he is no leader(check his body language), not clutch, and not the player to lead this organization out of this hole. agree or disagree with me, but curry is the future.
I partially agree with this. I used to be one of the people who, right after the draft, exclaimed that a Monta/Curry back-court was viable. I’m not so sure about it now. Maybe I’ll be completely decided by the end of the season.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 25, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah they’re basically the exact opposite player. One an explosive slasher who can’t dribble or shoot anything but midrange jumpers, the other a shooter that’s not a good enough athlete who seems to have good vision/passing ability, but might not be quick/athletic enough to be a playmaker at the point….
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, Minta's 3 has gotten a lot better
I’d just say that one is a point one is a combo. :)
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
30.7% (last year was 30.8)
interestingly….
November 37.5% on 1.7 attempts per
December 19.4% on 2.1 attempts per
January 33.3% on 4.5 attempts.
Just from what i’ve noticed. When he has time to plant and shoulder up, he shoots a pretty good percentage. Particularly from corners and elbow. It’s when he takes wild shots he almost never makes…
He’s 8-17 from the corners.
you wanna see something interesting. go to hotspots and do curry: http://www.nba.com/hotspots/
He is over 40% from EVERY 3 point spot.
Whoa, that’s a lot of red on Curry’s chart. Get buckets, kid!
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
kid can shoot
And to be fair, i think he owes a lot to monta and maggette… those 2 get to basket whenever they want leaving curry with open shots. And he makes open shots.
The corner is the easiest 3 point shot on the court. Great place to shoot 3’s.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 7:04 AM PST up reply actions
If someone out there thinks a Monta/Rondo backcourt is legit, then I’m all for a Monta/Curry backcourt….
well, rondo is a really good passer and defender, so aside from size, it’s hardly the same thing.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Ya, Rondo is better than either monta and curry
so it would immediately make us better
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
I still don't think it's fair to say Rondo > Monta
Rondo was a pretty bad player before KG and Ray Allen arrived, two of the easiest guys in the league to get assists to. Relative to Monta, Rondo is a horrible offensive player (despite receiving half as much defensive attention), and really not that much better of a defender (when you have KG and Perkins behind you to block shots, you can gamble on D, get your steal stats padded, and not look bad when your man blows by you, plus he only has to guard PGs, which are usually the easiest position to defend, whereas Monta is guarding SGs, and therefore Kobe, DWade, Roy, etc.,)
Anyway, my point was, a Rondo/Monta backcourt would be tiny, and feature two PGs. That’s been the biggest knock on the Warriors backcourt, so…..
by bradyk2 on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyway, my point was, a Rondo/Monta backcourt would be tiny, and feature two PGs.
It wouldn’t be too tiny. For one, Rondo is a great defensive player so any “size” that we are losing doesn’t really matter. And no it would feature one point guard (Rondo) who has shown he is a top 5 point guard in this league. I don’t see how you wouldn’t appreciate that backcourt.
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
I never said I wouldn't appreciate that backcourt!
I merely said people are dismissing our backcourt as being too small, yet saying Boston’s backcourt would be great with Monta, even though it’s the same size as our current one. Contradictory.
a Rondo/Monta backcourt would be tiny, and feature two PGs
it would only feature one, rondo. monta has proven that he’s much more effective off the ball (something that could also be true of curry), not to mention that you are completely undervaluing what rondo does for that celts team. he rebounds like mad, he’s a very good defender, a fantastic distributor (yeah, it’s nice to be able to pass it to pierce and allen, but that doesn’t mean he can’t pass. he’s a great passer and playmaker). he’s also a pretty good offensive player, despite his limitations. he doesn’t have a jumpshot, but you don’t need one when you can get to the basket so easily. there’s nothing stopping whoever is guarding rondo from giving him the jumper and trying to take away the drive and kick. he still gets it done.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Wow i was just warned for a lack of substance in my comments.
What does that even mean? My last couple of comments i thought were pretty insightful. I mean is there any logic behind giving warnings left and right to someone who has been trying to improve their comments and posts and reputation. I even got 4 recs for a well researched post i did recently. There is barely anything you can do without getting warnings on this site. I love to make comments, but i’m afraid to anymore at this point.
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 25, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, I agree that Rondo does a ton for that Celtics team because all they really ask of him is to play to his strengths (and so he arguably adds as much to that team as anyone), but I don’t know that he’d flourish in another situation. We went over this recently though so I’ll just leave it at that.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Rondo was a pretty bad player before KG and Ray Allen arrived, two of the easiest guys in the league to get assists to
He was in the NBA for ONE season without them….and he was 20 years old that season so I who is really being unfair? Statistically he made much more progress in KG and Allen’s 2nd year with the Celtics when the team had several key injuries and was without at least one of their star players for most of the season.
Thing A
who wants to? I’ve been pretty clear about not liking the trade and saying that I only hate it less than almost everyone else.
Thing A
I never said you did
you replied to my post, not the other way around.
There are people here who like this trade (hence the 240 comments), and even more people who think it’s a great idea to find a way to get rid of Monta. I’m merely pointing out that it’s oxy-moronic to suggest that a Curry/Monta backcourt can’t work, but a Rondo/Monta backcourt can. that’s all….
meh, I dont think thats oxy-moronic. Rondo and Curry are very different players and right now Rondo is a lot better.
Thing A
I'd do it
If we included Vlad Rad (like sam23 said) AND we were aiming for a superstar. But if we’re not and we’re just trading good players for the hell of it like we usually do, then no. Ray Allen still has some game and is a good expiring contract, but trading Monta would be a bit too much.
just to clarify
I’m not really for the deal even if it does include VladRad, I was just saying I’m less against it than I think most others would be. I just don’t think this team is very good even when healthy, so I’m not against a full commitment to rebuilding. I dont think trading away clear talent for essentially nothing but cap space is a good rebuilding strategy, but at least it is A strategy.
Thing A
Also, I think this is a decent team when healthy, and assuming we use our players properly. Playoffs? Probably not, but good enough to sniff .500 next year, I think.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I do too
But I doubt that this team will ever be healthy. I know the Warriors can be a good team, but they won’t have a chance to prove that since they’re plagued with injuries. I guess I’m just tired of seeing what this team could be rather than what this team is now. Seeing teams like the Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, and even the Kings who were lower than us last season are now all above us (although, our injuries are far more worst) and it just kind of makes me want to see the Warriors win more games. Getting tired of waiting for a team of the “future”, rather see a good winning team right now y’know?
. Seeing teams like the Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, and even the Kings who were lower than us last season are now all above us (although, our injuries are far more worst) and it just kind of makes me want to see the Warriors win more games. Getting tired of waiting for a team of the "future", rather see a good winning team right now y’know?
you wanna know what they all did, that we didn’t? Stayed patient with there core.
by tafkasam on Jan 25, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Monta and Biedrins have been Warriors longer than Thompson and Evans have been Kings, Gay/Mayo/Gasol have been Grizzlies, and Harden/Durant/Green have been with the Thunder. Also I’d be pretty shocked to see either the Kings or the Grizzlies make the next jump from nice little surprise team to legitimate playoff contender in the West with their current group of players. The only one of those teams I think can really contend is the one that struck lottery gold and landed Durant.
Thing A
Gay is probably changing teams after this season anyway.
And a huge part of their success is due to the acquisition of Zebo, not letting the young core gel.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 26, 2010 2:21 AM PST up reply actions
they added z-bo w/o really letting anything go
in process they stayed w/ conley, mayo, gay, and gasol
kings arent legit
they had an awesome run early but r 2 games above us now…. still kudos to turning it around. They r gonna get maybe 30 wins. Big improvement from 17
I dont disagree with that, but I sure wouldnt blame a new owner if he wanted to start over rather than pray for health to have a shot at .500 next season. Like you said above we’ve started over way too many times, but I’m not sure there’s reall strong evidence the current rebuilding project is headed the right direction. I’ve always been a big Nellie supporter and I do like Monta despite his considerable flaws, but I could get on board with a new owner, new coach, and new “player face of the franchise” next season. I’d definitely rather trade Monta for a little more value though.
Thing A
What is your basis for saying that a completely healthy team of Monta, Curry, Buike, Maggs, Randolph, Wright, Beans, and Turiaf (+Martin and Tolliver, whooo) will not be competitive? Given how well most of these guys have played at different times, I have full confidence that they can be pretty good if they get the chance to play together. Then, if we can add another decent veteran player (particularly one who can rebound and defend a little bit), I think we could challenge for the playoffs.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
I’m not saying that team can’t contend for the playoffs. I’m saying that team isn’t great and doesnt seem like it could ever do much more than contend for one of the last 3 playoff spots. I wouldn’t blame a new ownership group, in fact I’d applaud them, if they weren’t content with that. Additionally what is your basis for saying that a group of players that includes the names Maggette, Randolph, Monta, Biedrins, Turiaf and Wright could possibly ever stay healthy? I like Monta, I’ve grown to really like Maggette, I like almost every player on the roster right now, but I still just don’t think this team, with the current roster, is ever going to be very good (and by “very good” I mean among the top 4 or 5 teams in the West)
Thing A
ya saw that
he’s just trying to stir the pot tho…as always
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Nervous W’s mgmt changes its mind every wk. Who knows? RT @JLPilkington You think the Ws are a good candidate to tank for lottery purposes?
this @JLPilkington must not pay close attention to the rest of the NBA b/c the W’s don’t need to tank – they’re already the 3rd worst team in the NBA.
by homer simpson on Jan 26, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Gotta keep that lead!
But seriously, there are 5 teams within a game and a half of us. We could easily win two in a row and be in the 8th spot. When there’s a player like John Wall coming out, people are going to tank. If not us, then somebody else.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 26, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yep. I’m not a fan of tanking, but when there’s a prize like Wall — when it’s actually a lottery, in other words — you’ve got to at least think about it a little.
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I really want to disagree with you but I can't
This I’m afraid could be the nail in the coffin with my relationship with the W’s
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
If you can't build a team around Monta Ellis
then you have no busniess in sports
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
by Athletic on Jan 25, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
no one can build a team around monta ellis. monta is one of the very nice supporting pieces to put around a superstar. the trade is still dumb, really dumb, but an inability to build around monta doesn’t make a GM incompetent, it means that monta ellis isn’t a “best player on a contender” type.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Monta averages 26 points a night
maybe you should watch more games apparently you do not
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
Efficiency matters. So do turnovers and creating for teammates.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Why do people act like scoring points is all that matters?
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Jan 26, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Chicks dig PPG
So I’ve heard.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 26, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
My favorite combo is citing points per game followed by taunting all doubters as “stat nerds” (ppg not being a stat, evidently…)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 26, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Probably stinkier than your mom's basement!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 26, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
My first thought
This would be a pretty bad trade, as others have mentioned, and I tend to agree with the conventional wisdom. However,
by Duh Duh Man on Jan 25, 2010 8:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Actually there is no however
I can’t think of any reason to do this now. If they did this I would be actually for the first time as a warrior fan be ashamed of my team.
by Duh Duh Man on Jan 25, 2010 8:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This trade is complete BS.
Someone made this up at some point and for some reason this bonehead Boston reporter thought it was newsworthy to report on.
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Jan 25, 2010 8:40 PM PST reply actions
I meant to say even for the warriors, as in pretty much every trade (except a few) the warriors have made in the past 20 years have been bad and this trade would even be dumb in warriors standards.
Of course this would be a great trade for Boston.
You guys might think I am crazy
But if monta ellis is traded, I can see a reason. Monta, although he gets many steals, is a below average defender. Yes, he has improved, but he has a low basketball iq and doesnt play tough defense. Curry, seems much more determined and seems to fit the role of a point guard better, while Allen would bring defensive intensity, leadership, hustle and a great mind of the game. Plus, he a pure shooting guard, not a combo guard that is in between point and shooting.
As a team, we need veteran leadership, and this would be a good overall start to attaining it. Yes, I know Monta has better talent, but at this moment, that is not our main concern. Raw talent does not create a good basketball team. You need components with some pure talent to be successful. Really, I would not be stoked or upset about this trade, as I have always admired Ray Allen, but also recognize the potential in Monta.
Many of you are stating you will leave tje Warriors as a fan if this trade goes through. This should not happen. As a true fan, you must stick with your team through every good and bad moment. For me, I will always like the Warriors. I like all of you, I like other fans, I like the players and will never leave the Warriors as a fan.
he has a low basketball iq
Stop with the generalities. I want specifics. What, specifically, are you trying to say here? When you say “basketball iq”, what skills are you referring to? This is becoming one of those things that’s just repeated over and over again until it’s accepted, and I’m trying to stop that from happening…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He does not make smart plays...
He jacks up silly shots,
Does not move his feet on defense,
Tends to dribble too much,
Doesnt dribble the ball carefully,
Trys to take on multiple defenders,
Does not box out correctly,
He complains very much,
Makes bonehead decisions,
Takes poor perimeter shots…..
Well...
Silly shots are a part of Nellie’s go to guy, like Baron, and Jack and even sometimes Curry
He’s played very good defense
true
true
Yes and succeeds (usually)
He’s a quick small guard that plays on the perimeter, he doesn’t really need to. He just runs down boards
Where did you get this? Rumor central on ESPN?
Like?
Again system/ coaching
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Just to compare....
Kobe:
Jacks up silly shots (though he moves his feet on defense…wait, so does monta!)
Tends to dribble too much (though he does dribble carefully….wait, so does monta! Monta’s turnovers usually come on passes, not poor dribbling.)
Tries to take on multiple defenders (usually 5, to be correct)
Guards aren’t supposed to box out, they’re supposed to fly in for a rebound while their man is getting back on D → no one to box out)
Complains (but when was the last time you heard monta complain? no, seriously)
Makes bonehead decisions (every great player does. call it brett favre-itis)
Takes poor perimeter shots (yet they both make a large amount. weird)
Also, cut this crap about Monta being too turnover prone. Per36 he averages 3.5TO, Kobe 2.8. And Kobe is a SG, with four of the softest 7-foot hands in the game catching his passes. Monta is a hybrid PG/SG passing to Mikki Moore and Andris Biedrins, averaging less than a TO Per36 more.
Don't be disparaging Biedrins' hands 'round these parts!
And to be fair, Biedrins hasn’t really been that available to receive Monta’s passes…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 25, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
haha true
I do think Beans has some of the best hands of NBA bigs, but not yet this year. And he hasn’t been around much so it’s been, what….Chris Hunter, Mikki Moore, VladRad? Me thinks Kobe would average another 0.8 TOs Per36 passing to those guys instead of Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum.
Actually, in all reality, he’d probably average another 10 shots per game….
Actually, in all reality, he’d probably average another 10 shots per game….
Very true, and then he’d be even less efficient than Monta, but people would still Favre over him. Sigh…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 26, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
So basically he makes some bad decisions. He’s not a great defender. He’s not a great ballhandler. Say that next time. Basketball IQ can refer to a lot of things, for instance, here’s a list of things Monta does well:
Great anticipation on both ends – it’s why he gets so many steals and it’s why you see him make nice cuts to the basket off the ball.
Moves extremely well off the ball – whether it’s a backcut when his guy turns his head, filling to space under the hoop when a ballhandler gets to the middle of the floor, or running off screens off the ball to get that midrange J off, Monta is extremely proficient at this.
Understands spacing – watch him on the break or even moving without the ball in the half court. He maintains proper spacing consistently and uses it to attack the defense properly.
Angles – makes good use of angles to get to the rim
So that’s why I hate when people repeat the generic phrase “he has a poor basketball IQ”. It’s a meaningless phrase, and he does have a number of “intangible”/“feel for the game” type qualities that are very good, and make him a better player in a meaningful way. If you’re going to discuss his strengths/weaknesses, be more specific. Also, from what I’ve seen, he hasn’t been a half bad defender so far this year. I’m sure not playing all 48 minutes would make him more effective in that regard, too…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 7:12 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Also, I’m not sure if you realize this, but Ray Allen is only under contract for this year. If we trade for him, he’s probably gone at the end of this season and we’re left with nothing.
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
OH. HELL. NO!
I WILL OFFICIALLY QUIT BEING A WARRIORS FAN IF THIS TRADE HAPPENS.
I'm drenched in P.I.N.K...you?
by warriorsnation on Jan 25, 2010 10:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I might do the same
And this has been my team since 91 it’s just B.S. to do this our fans our loyal and deserve better.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 25, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
If the warriors make this trade...
I’ll be like those kids who say, “I love my parents unconditionally.” True, you still love them, but what that really says is “if I didn’t have to love you, I’d hate you.”
I was a fan before we got Monta
and I will continue being a fan after.
This trade isn’t happening anyway.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 26, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
This better not be the so called “big move” that Riley was speaking on.
1 won't do and 2 is not enough for me.
by LighTz707OuT on Jan 25, 2010 10:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
OK...OK...OK
monta is a pesky defender. sure he won’t block a shot and reaches more than he needs to but he’s the only offense (side Corey) that can score. Morrow is inconsistent and he’s not in the vicinity of Ray Allen’s Ball skills all around. Stephen is a beast, he’ll be better than monta in a year or two. Have we forgotten that Monta is full of heart? He’s the only reason why i continue to watch after all the rash of injuries. seriously, i’m sick of seeing Radmanovic’s soft defense and erratic shooting. Morrow like i said before is inconsistent and is a bad defender that will not get any better. he’s more of a poor man’s eddie house with a better jumper. Anthony Randolph is still suspect he gets caught looking at the ball come down to him instead of bodying up on rebounds. i like the d-leaguers and we’ve got great luck in getting a CJ and Kelenna and we need to help chris hunter along because as much as i love AB he ain’t got no jumper skills from 4 feet, can’t hit a free throw and is only a pick and roll center. he’s hit his ceiling you ever wonder why he’s not in in the last two minutes of a tight ball game? we should trade AB, randolph and Bad Vlad to Phoenix for amare for a sign and trade
This won't happen
Riley said that they wouldn’t acquire a guy that they couldn’t re-sign, and Allen would not be back. Plus Allen is not a top-flight player anymore and Riley said that’s what they would get. The guy who reported the rumor doesn’t even know what exercising an option means. He said Vlad Rad most likely won’t exercise his option, which means he would opt out, and then he said he wouldn’t opt out. That’s pretty contradictory. Tell me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure exercising an option means that a player is choosing to stay for the extra year. Here is what he said in the article and he said the same thing on tv.
“For such a deal to work, the Warriors would have to include at least one additional salary. The most likely player to be included would be Vladamir Radmonovic, who has a player option after this season but isn’t expected to exercise it.”
The player has the option to opt out and test the free agent waters for more money
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 25, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, doesn’t make sense, and I don’t see any reason Vlad would opt out because everyone knows he sucks now and he won’t get paid as much as he’ll make on the option…
by Missing Barry on Jan 25, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
well here we go again
no monta, no allen at the end of the year, possibility of no amare nor bosh at the beginning of next year. umm can you say trade AB and morrow for an Al Jefferson and put the We Believe warriors to rest?
At least if we’re gonna be that bad, we should do it in a year John Wall is in the draft. The Nets are doing it right…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
Do you know who's next?
It’s not a “LeBron,” but it could easily be someone worthwhile.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 26, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
I haven’t heard who the next big thing is yet, so I take that as a bad sign. In my opinion, Lebon, Howard, and Wall are the top 3 prospects we’ve seen since Tim Duncan, so guys like that only come around every so often. More often than not, you’re stuck with a lesser prospect…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Well...
The ESPN lotto machine is up and running…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 26, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Ok
so trading ellis … you’re screwed
getting a walking allen at the end of the year… you’re screwed
umm taking a shot at a disinterested Stoudemire or Bosh (i’d be surprised if either sign here) we come up empty we’re screwed all the way around
by GS Hooper on Jan 25, 2010 10:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Conclusion
We’re screwed! Well, that was fun. This team is so fun.
Is it baseball season yet?
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 25, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Baseball season...
Giants re signed freaking Bengi Molina….Giants = Screwed too.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Jan 25, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Molina
Despite his abysmal on-base percentage, he’s still your biggest power threat aside from Sandoval.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 6:30 AM PST up reply actions
It’s sad because think how much higher his power stats would be if he wasn’t the slowest player in all of baseball and all those triples he turns into doubles and doubles he turns into singles were actually triples and doubles, respectively…
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
I don't get it
I feel like Curry plays well with Monta and they have good on court chemistry. None of them really talk much on the court, but they set each other up with nice shots and scoring opportunities. I still think that Monta should let Curry shoot more, which will probably happen since Curry is really starting to get confident and Ellis will probably notice that.
by duballers23 on Jan 25, 2010 10:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Making room?
Nellie likes big, defensive-minded two guards. I’m guessing Kelenna Azubuike is in his plans for next year.
As to what the Warriors would do with the expirings… I hope we can take Riley at his word that the Warriors are in the market for a stud big man.
Sure he does...
He just plays them at PF. ; )
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Jan 26, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ladies and gentlemen, your golden state warriors:
Let’s build around our team!
Our team’s great, but let’s dump JRich and build around Baron!
Baron’s great, but let’s dump him and build around Monta!
Monta’s great, but let’s dump him and build around Curry!
In other suprising news, no one has ever one a championship doing this….
by bradyk2 on Jan 25, 2010 10:56 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
yea you got it
you forgot about Antawn Jamison and Gilbert arenas though. That is why if they screw us again Im out. read that Mullen you idiot.
by warriorstoptrading on Feb 3, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Owners looking to sell will
dump their long-term contracts. Always.
Just an idea you may want to contact the Warriors
at pr@gs-warriors.com which is their Public Relations contact via their website and tell them you will boycott or stop being a fan if they just dump Monta for salary reasons I did and I encourage you to do the same.
This is not acceptable under any circumstance IMO , I understand rebuilding we’ve mastered that since 94 this franchise has not put together a team worthy of making a deep playoff run, but to give away your best player for an over the hill player so the payroll is cheaper when the fans still sell out the games is a mockery of a shame.
Let’s stand together on this one and voice our displeasure with the Dub’s management.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 25, 2010 11:36 PM PST reply actions
This might be a good trade
I LOVE MONTA, but lets face reality and understand that he’s not and will never be a super star. He puts up great numbers cause the Warriors are a bad team. Imagine Rudy Gay in our team, same results. I think Steph needs his spotlight and this might be an opportunity. I’m not sayign he’s a Chris Paul, but he can play. Plus he’s a rookie, turnovers are meant for rookies.
Also imagine the possibilities. Ray Allen would never sign an extension with the Warriors, so that’ll leave us a good amount of money for any free agent for 2010. Or if a miracle happens and more trades happened… Maybe enough money for a max contract and then some
Wrong
Just watch replays of 2007 when we beat Dallas Had they kept that squad I am confident they’d have won it all in 08. O yea and one more thing that they organazation does, is try to make it out that the player is to blame. Ill go to that site man, thanks. If they trade/release monteI am done.
by warriorstoptrading on Feb 3, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Is someone trying to punish Ray Allen
Imagine him coming here and playing 48 minutes a night. he would break down and retire in misery.
If we were in San Antonio, this would be great news because it would be step 1 in a 3 step plan. In Oakland we all know this means there is no plan, we are grasping at straws and will sign a D Leaguer for $50 MIL next season
by warriorsvictim on Jan 26, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions
Does that 3 step plan involve getting your star center injured and lucking into the #1 pick to get the best big man of a generation?
Or is that step 2?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 26, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
YES!
Honestly, I love Monta’s game but the fact of the matter is that he’s an undersized combo guard (more 2 than 1 guard) whose future does not make sense on this team. For me, the future core 1 guard is Curry, 2 guard is Morrow (backed up by Bell if we can resign him), and PF is Randolph (notice how neither SF or C position is mentioned in the core as Maggette/Buike and Beans are all expendable). Getting rid of Monta’s contract will allow us to more flexibility for veteran leadership and hopefully an All-Star that can get this team into a perennial playoff team.
On second thought...
This is a great idea! Without Monta Curry can finally start to grow into the player he is capable of. It will become his team. Next year hopefully we will draft John Wall and then get rid of Curry and pass the team to Wall. This process sure seems to be working for the warriors for at least the past 10 years.
John Wall
I’ve seen a lot of posts on this entry about John Wall, he is one of the best prospects to come out of college in a LONG time, anyone who has seen him play notices that. My question to you is what will WE do with him if we actually land him? Trade Ellis? Trade Curry? Keep everyone and watch the team crumble as everyone attempts to show that they belong in the starting 5? If it was me, I would keep Wall and Ellis and trade Curry off for someone that would be a VIABLE back up for Biedrins at Center, maybe something like Frye plus pieces, someone who could rebound and spread the floor with his shooting.
Bottom line question is this: Are we banking on Curry/Ellis backcourt for many years to come or are we going to try something different? I like Curry, I like Ellis (at SG), but the problem with Ellis is his size and ability to defend the likes of Joe Johnson, Michael Redd, Kobe Bryant, Andre Iguodala, etc. but would a backcourt of Wall/Ellis or Wall/Curry solve any of those problems? My answer right now is no. I believe that Evan Turner would suit our team the best, a big (6’6) PG/SG/SF that can play the point as well as defend against bigger guards and even forwards. This would render Curry to the bench as a steller back up point guard, which may be a hefty price for us to pay because he really is a great passer, but as far as our defense (which is our problem here, if you don’t notice it, you are completely blind), we need a big guard that can create to play along side Ellis.
My 2 cents, what do you guys think?
Talking about after draft
If we get wall or turner…just thinking out loud, I think the Frye trade would be horrendous too if some good pieces weren’t included with it too
Looks like the data shows the average SG that gets measured for the NBA combine is under 6’4. Link. I would guess the true number contains some survivor bias that makes it higher than that (as the littler guys are less likely to stick in the NBA), but the point is, the average SG is not all that big. It’s easy to poing to Kobe, but how many Kobe’s are there out there? 1. We’re really not that bad off right now with Monta at the 2. As for Monta and Wall, Wall is 6’4, long and a ridiculous athlete. He is not a bad matchup against guys like Kobe at all. Defensively, that backcourt would work very well. Same with Wall/Curry. There are also 96 minutes to go around – the 3 of them could all play ~32 minutes a game. So, if we get Wall (we won’t), I don’t see a need to rush to anything. He’s not going to turn us into a championship contender in a year, we can take our time, see what works, see what doesn’t, wait for a good trade, and then take the chance to improve our team when it comes along.
Whether we get Wall or not (not is the right answer), I don’t see a need to do anything about Ellis/Curry (and Wall if he get him). No need to rush anything, there are very few teams with a big enough SG to really give us a problem. Let our guys develop, see what they are, keep looking for opportunities to acquire a real superstar (and take it if the opportunity comes along and makes sense for us)…and hope we finally get healthy. Easy strategy.
he really is a great passer
We’ve been over this. He might make some great passes at times. He might have good passing skills overall. It might be that the turnovers are just rookie mistakes. And he might have very good vision. Yet he’s still not racking up assists at that high of a rate. Why is this? Because he hasn’t shown he has what it takes to consistently get teammates open. Until he does that, how effective he is as a passer is limited, despite whatever passing ability he may have.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
very good points, I can’t argue with you about anything you pointed out.
What about Turner? I think its more of a high chance of us getting him than Wall (the correct answer is yes) I hope we stick with Randolph/Wright at the Power Forward spot for another year to see what’s really up with those two instead of copping out and drafting Favors …
I understand the parts you talked about being patient, I guess I’m just getting impatient since I was so excited after the We Believe campaign, thinking that things were finally turning around in Warrior land…it took away all the patience I had up to that point and now I’m an impatient little ingrate of a warriors fan… I mean, really, to expect playoffs again within 10 years??? I’m despicable lol
I really don’t know much about Turner. He’s a junior, which worries me a bit. If he’s such a good prospect why is he still in college? I think a good sized wing, especially with versatility, could be a good pickup in this next draft. Or another big man, preferably one that’s strong enough (or pojected to be strong enough) to play good D down low, and rebound. Lord knows with all our injuries we can’t get enough big men. Heck, I’d even take another 6’10 200 pounds raw lefty with potential. :)
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
He's supposed to be a point guard
with a shooting guard’s body.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 26, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Latest comment on SF Gate....
Nelson literally laughed off a Boston-based Ellis-for-Ray Allen rumor. …
Says it all really…
Jan 16 2010 - Onlxn quote on Stephen Curry - "one of the worst playmakers in basketball"
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 26, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions
Do you think...
Warriors management reads this blog for direction, ideas and decision making? – I would be interested to know
I would hope that professionals would not have to read blogs in order to come up with ideas, but with this front office you never know.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 26, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
No
But Boston probably should, and get real lol.
by warriorstoptrading on Feb 3, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Trade him
As Atma said “It’s no secret the Warriors need a major shakeup if they’re going to even have the slimmest chance at qualifying for the Western Conference Playoffs sometime this decade.”
Key word is major shakeup, we need to get rid of Ellis, Maggette and Biedrins combined contract of close to 30 mill. I would only trade Ellis if someone is willing to take Maggette contract with him. Even though both players contribute a lot to this team, they are also the reason we are losing, they are ball hogs who dont develop or allow other young players to play better. The player we need is someone that can help his teammates, we need to free up cap space and realize that investing close to 30 mill on three guys who dont lead us to the playoff is waste of money. Cut our loses and move on. Trade for anyone who has expiring contract. Period.
Waaaarriors
Why not trade off the entire team while we’re at it. Seriously, what are we going to do with no one on our books and no talent on our team?
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
It should be pointed out
That Ray Allen has not played well enough at any point this season to deserve a roster spot on any NBA team.
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info
Reality?
Check it out sometime.
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info
by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I was a tad hyperbolic. But, really he has not played well at all.
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info
by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
FAIL
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 26, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
This coming from the guy who claimed earlier in the thread that Allen was a better shooter than Morrow? At least I use facts in my arguments….
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info
by cybermaldonado on Jan 26, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think claiming Ray Allen is a better shooter than Morrow is too bad of a statement.
Considering Allen and Reggie Miller are the two top 3 point shooters in NBA history, its not a bad statement. Its a true statement.
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 26, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Morrow’s a more accurate shooter than Allen, and might even hit a higher percentage if they had a spot up contest, but Allen is the better shooter. How so? Because he can get his shot off much more effectively while still shooting a high percentage – he can catch and shoot off the move, off the dribble, in ways Morrow can only dream of. Efficiency is good, but volume is too, and Allen (at least a couple years ago) blew Morrow away in volume, because he could actually create his own shot.
by Missing Barry on Jan 26, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Bravo
I’ve tried to make this point before, but i never summed it up quite like that. Rec.
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 26, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN Trade Machine
Ellis, Radmanovic, and Bell to Boston, Allen and Perkins to Golden State. Increases the Warriors’ projected wins by 5, decreases the Celtics’ by 4
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