GSOM group project. Draft scouting
by dubzfan on Jan 4, 2010 3:31 AM PST
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Rec the post so we can keep this project up as much as possible, credits go to tafaksam (spelling?)
I had an idea for a GSoM project. I thought it would be best to start this now, it's mid-december and college basketball conference play starts in January. We know the Warriors are lottery bound again. So how does everyone feel about picking 1 player (you can pick 2 if you are overzealous). You're responsible for watching some games of theres, then towards end of year, we can each publish our own scouting reports. We all know by march it'll be the main topic of discussion
http://www.draftexpress.com/
www.nbadraft.net
I'm gonna list the top 15 or so prospects. People can comment on who they want. Pick a player you're likely to watch. IE if you go to a Big 10 school it'd b really cool if you picked a big 10 player cause you're more likely to get maximum exposure to them. I left out internationals, but if you live in a foreign country or can watch them. By all means, tell me and that'd be great!
1. John Wall- UK, Fr. -Consensus #1 pick. No explanation needed
2. Derrick Favors- Georgia Tech, Fr. - Super Athletic power forward who often gets Josh Smith/Amare comparisons
3. Evan Turner- Ohio State, Jr. - The jack of all trades in this draft. Plays PG on offense, PF on defense, but can he do it at NBA level?
4. Cole Aldrich, Kansas Jr.- Best Center in draft. Can bang and rebound
4. Willie Warren- Oklahoma, So. - Possible best shooter in draft. Undersized 2 who is a lot like Ben Gordon
5. Ed Davis- North Carolina So.- Hard working Power Forward, who seems to be more of a team guy than individual playmaker
6. Al Farouq Aminu- Wake Forrest, So.- Forward Tweener with a mess of potential
7. Patrick Patterson- Kentucky, Jr- Super athletic undersized 4 who seems to be expanding his range
8. Wesley Johnson, Syracuse, Sr. - SF who can SHOOT and is athletic, might be best NBA SF prospect
9. Xavier Henry, Kansas, Fr.- Shooting Guard who can shoot and plays very good defense
10. Stanley Robinson- Conneticutt, Sr. - Another Tweener with very good athletism and a defender
11. Devin Ebanks, West Virginia So.- Small foward I honestly don't know much about
12. Solomon Alabi- Florida St. So.- Could become an awesome defensive presense inside
13. Greg Monroe- Georgetown, So.- Best passing big with a ridiculous amount of potential
14. Craig Brackins- Iowa St. Jr.- A 6-10 PF/C who can shoot (ssshhh don't tell nellie!)
15. Kyle Singler- Duke Jr.- uh oh a dukie! But really could be a young grant hill type... or dunleavey
16. Avery Bradley- Texas, Fr.- Insanely quick, unsure if he'll declare but if he does he is considered top 15, a lot like Monta
17. Arnett Moultrie- UTEP, So- A PF with good post defense
18. DeMarcus Cousin- Kentucky, Fr.- Another big with ALOT of potential. Should get alot of exposure playing with J.Wall
19. Larry Sander- VCU,JR.- Athletic big with a lot of upside that can do a bit of everything
20.Damion James - Texas, SR. - Quick wing scorer and dominates games on both ends
21.Hassan Whiteside - Marshall, FR. - Long athletic center that reaks havoc on defense with a good jumper
22.Gani Lawal - GT, JR - Very athletic 4 with a huge motor
Are there any other top prospects we want to scout???? Since I get first pick, I'll refrain from obvious and go with Ed Davis. I like UNC's style of play and ESPN shows them enough I can write an informed peice
TafkaSam- Ed Davis
BoJangles408- Evan Turner
Dubzfan- Wesley Johnson, Hassan Whiteside
The Dedication- Stanley Robinson
Cap'n Hack- Greg Monroe
Sam23-Cole Adrich
Zorgon- Willie Warren
NHlogan- Derrick Favors
SPENCEMAN- Xavier Henry
ejdacanay- John Wall, Patrick Patterson
since1972 – Demarcus Cousins
monta.da.boss - Donatas
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sure i'll rec myself :D
Link the previous post: http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/12/18/1207662/2010-draft-scouting-gsom-group
We need a few more, cmon guys!
i was considering watch Donatas Motiejūnas
but actually i almost don’t watch any other bball outside Warriors
and also -i m having huge problem being objective and observational
31 Y 6.5 ft 250 lbs 0 IQ
Fire Nellie! Fire Cohan! Fire Gregory! Fire David Stern! No need for explanations, just fire em all!
by Missing Barry
can you actually watch his games somewhere? if you can, let the rest of us know where. i’d be interested to see.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
i think his games come on nbatv sometimes
if they dont ill look for some on youtube
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jan 4, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
cool, good to know.
by the way, what do you think of NBAtv? i appreciate the extra basketball in my life, but it seems like a poorly run station. it can’t help the NBA’s rep to put out a 3rd rate product like that. i’d watch it a lot more if it were better put together.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
its comparable to MLBnetwork and NFL TV
and for you soccer fans FSC. I pretty much only watch nbatv and FSC. Both r awfully run but give me what I want.
Rick Kamla is obnoxious and annoying.
Rick Kamla is obnoxious and annoying.
i like him better than fitz
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jan 4, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Rick Kamla is obnoxious and annoying.
he is terrible -really
31 Y 6.5 ft 250 lbs 0 IQ
Fire Nellie! Fire Cohan! Fire Gregory! Fire David Stern! No need for explanations, just fire em all!
by Missing Barry
by Lat We N Trash on Jan 4, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
yea you mean
Rick Kamla and his freaking wolves.
BUt nbatv is cool because they give you live lookins at games, like if a game is really close.
by Loveisforfree on Jan 13, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
i like it, but it seems like the analysts don't know anything(besides mchale and c webb)
they just look at stats and say ‘oh this guy is great’ and etc
but mchale and c webb are good
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
yeah, it’s the analysts that bug me. i watched eric snow and matt harpring seem to get legitimately mad at each other while arguing about shaq’s minutes last night and i really wished i was watching NBA fastbreak or something with people who were more interested in putting on a show worth watching than proving a trivial point.
they just seem to grab whichever former NBA player will take the job and don’t worry about who is actually good on TV.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
i'll be honest
that i think charles barkley is the best analyst in the league. He is funny and knowledgable and he keeps you watching.
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jan 4, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Steve smith is ok too...
kenny and chuck r what they r.
and im writing my scouting report so it ll be up soon
i saw one of his games before and im looking at clips and reading scouting reports!
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
Were posting them around draft time so hold that thought
Try to get in as many games as possible. Were working out a schedule on when we will start posting.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
oh i didnt know
so…. whats the schedule?
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
Not sure
Possibly one every day or every 3 days once draft talk starts heating up in the offseason. We’ll cross that bridge when it comes and we will release a schedule.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
i think we started them up toward the end of the season last year. once we’ve sufficiently rehashed the team’s “potential” if everything goes right for the billionth time and it becomes too depressing to think about a team that’s still a long way back of the kings in the standings, it’s time to talk draft!
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Maybe week or 2 before the lottery?
Thats when this site at least only talks about the draft
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
I was thinking post lottery?
Eitherway it’s premature now. If we do 15, every 2 days. Thats 1 month.
Or before and after lottery
That’d be much more efficient
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
how so?
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
by monta.da.boss on Jan 4, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
15 fanposts every day sounds bad
If we do one every 2 days right after the offseason starts or after the tourney or however it turns it out with 15 or so posts we should be done around draft time. I haven’t done the math yet.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
nba 2k10 on ps3...
imported 2010 draft and traded monta + biedrins for a grip of draft picks….turns out I landed 3 lottery picks and drafted wall, favors, and turner….I can scout them according to my video gaming experience
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jan 4, 2010 6:32 PM PST reply actions
especially online
half the shots that go in make no sense.
unless you are lebron, wade, or kobe you cant score on a layup contested by anybody.
how many times have i had monta miss a layup over derek fisher…. it makes no sense. but fisher makes contested 3’s all the time….
Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected
I don’t have the time to take anyone (and none of those guys really fit into what college games come on in my region)…but I just want to say, you compared Singler to Grant Hill! Grant Hill! Do you know how freaking good Grant Hill was before his injuries? He was on pace to be arguably the third best player of this generation after Duncan and Shaq! Dude averaged 20.2 points, 9.8 rebounds, and 6.9 assists per game his 2nd year in the NBA!
I just wanted to bring up how good Grant Hill was because it’s easy to forget, and it’s sad to think of what might have been. Grant Hill was amazing.
You can just go on ESPN 360 or find a stream like I do. I live in Oakland and scout someone is Syracuse
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
and he drinks sprite ;)
But really, Grant Hill pre-injury was 1 of my favorites. Him and Penny…..
his assists to turnovers really gets me
in that year 6.9 to 3.3. A 2.1:1 ratio. Pretty awesome for your SF and personally i’d love a player like that considering we got a 2 combo guard back court…..
A guy like Evan Turner who people THINK can be like Grant Hill/Scottie Pippen… maybe penny/Broy… He averages 5.8 assists to 3.9 turnovers w/ a ratio of 1.49:1…. which is his best of his college career…. last year he averaged 4.0 assists to 3.5 turnovers giving him a 1.12:1 ratio
It’s hard to evaluate these things considering big 10 basketball is so slow and half court and zone defense based (opposite of nba and warriors).
I was able to dig up, grant hill’s senior year at duke he had a 5.3 assists to 3.0 TOs giving him a ratio 1.76:1. It’s almost irrelevant cause he played in a bit of a different era in college.
To give a few examples of recent wing players who are good passers/playmakers who stayed in college:
BRoy senior year: 4.1 to 2.3… 1.78:1
iguodala sophmore year 4.9 to 2.8…. 1.75:1
J.Harden sophmore year 4.2 to 3.4…. 1.23:1
I don’t want to put too much stock into this. But it’s interesting
Two things.....
First John Wall plays for UK not Memphis, second he is playing tonight at 9pm est and you can watch it online on espn360.com i would suggest everyone watch it as you will be seeing alot of Wall in the NBA. Rite now i would have to say he is the best college player in the country, furthermore i would bet he will end up being the best player drafted since dwight howard., he might even be the best point gaurd since JKIDD back in his prime, as a warriors fan i hope we end up with him, and would trade anyone on the team to get the #1 pick next year, i feel hes gonna end up being a Kobe LeBron type of superstar.
Like i said watch him tonight online and see for yourself, guarantee he leaves you with your jaw dropped…..
I didn't make it it was posted a lot earlier so I'll fix it
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Wall is amazing, but calling him the best PG since Kidd is ignoring just how good Chris Paul is. Chris Paul is amazing.
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Paul is amazing.
better than jason kidd ever was. if he stays healthy, he’s going down in history as one of the all-time greats at the point guard position.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Well, I dunno about that quite yet. Kidd was an absolute beast on the boards and defensively, which makes up quite a bit for his lack of scoring…
But yeah, at Paul’s pace, I’m pretty comfortable saying, with health, his career is going to turn out better than Kidd’s.
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
i can see where you’re coming from there, but would still give the edge to paul for being such a ridiculously good scorer and the better passer of the two. win shares do lose a bit of the defensive attributes, but paul’s last two years he posted an incredible 18.3 and 17.8 WS respectively, whereas kidd’s best two years were 11.3 and 10.1 WS. pretty sizeable edge to paul there.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
CP3, Nash, Kidd, Wall is how we will remember the point gaurds of our era. ohh and parker, but he is such a douche i dont want to give him the credit he deserves. Wall is the truth, when he is tearing up the NBA next few years we will all know it.
Not Parker
He never was dominant enough to be remembered like that, Rondo will be though.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
i always like hearing rajon rondo get some credit. that guy’s been phenomenal. he makes “the big three” look like his backing vocalists sometimes.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
I have my reservations about what he’ll be able to accomplish without them….
I mean, don’t get me wrong, he still brings a lot to the table – creating shots for himself and others, great defense, rebounding, steals…I just don’t see him being able to carry a team on his own. I’m not even sure he can thrive with just one other pretty good player.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I just don’t see him being able to carry a team on his own. I’m not even sure he can thrive with just one other pretty good player.
you could say exactly that about chris paul, too. well, i guess that depends on your definition of “thriving.” he’s obviously been playing fantastic basketball but he certainly hasn’t been able to carry a bad team to contender status.
much in the same way, if you surround rondo with good players, you can build a contender. he’s a franchise player and borderline superstar.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Every time I watch the Hornets play, I watch Chris Paul singlehandedly carry a team of scrubs. He does carry an offense already. I’m not sure Rondo would even be effective in Paul’s situation. Nobody would respect his shot, with no other real threats, the defense could key on his drives….I think that team with Rondo subbed in Paul’s place might be about where the T’Wolves are right now…
Which means, I really question Rondo being a franchise player or superstar. I don’t even think he’s really that close. I could be wrong, we have yet to see what he can do without talent around him, but I just don’t see the skills necessary to be effective without talent around him.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
don’t get me wrong, chris paul is a much better player than rajon rondo and i’d be absolutely shocked if rondo joined paul on that level. that said, rondo’s ability to do so much for a basketball team, so well and the fact that he’s 23 years old make me think his shooting will improve and the only glaring hole in his game will cease to be an issue.
my main point was that every great player needs help to win, even paul, who has been doing a remarkable amount with his “supporting” cast, can’t singlehandedly carry a team to the promised land.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
And to a degree I’m not talking about the team being that good, either, just what Rondo himself will be able to accomplish. Not sure if his defense will remain at the same level if he picks up a heavier offensive load. Not sure his offense will remain as effective as teams key in on him more. If he learns to shoot, that will be a big step forward for his game…
At the team level, I’m just not sure that he’d be able to turn a bad team into an ok team the way real superstars like Paul and Wade have done, I suspect a bad team around him will be…..a pretty bad team overall.
by Missing Barry on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
my guess is that we’ll find that out in a couple years as KG continues to age and the celts are burdened with his contract, keeping them from getting enough talent surround rondo with. i think he keeps them afloat (playoffs, not contending) as the KG, pierce, wallace and allen (if they keep him) age. we’ll have to remember this conversation so one of us can lord it over the other two or three years from now when we will still, obviously, be posting here regularly and getting into side debates on draft posts.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Sounds good to me. Do you think they’ll keep Allen? I would think at this point they try to move on…
by Missing Barry on Jan 14, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Because he’s old, and if it costs too much to keep him, they don’t think it’s good for them long term…
by Missing Barry on Jan 15, 2010 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
on other hand he hasn't really declined heavily
he is a sharpshooter, that won’t go away.
But the better q) Who is going to overpay for him? I can’t see anyone giving him more than an MLE
Yeah, I really don’t know what’s going to happen, was just spelling out the logic for letting him walk if they do…
by Missing Barry on Jan 15, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
How we remember them and how good they actually were are two different things. Nash is always going to be remembered as better than he was because he peaked so late and so high (and got those two MVP awards, but I still have objections to them). Also, because we tend to remember great offense more than great defense. I would take Kidd’s career over Nash’s in a heartbeat. Frankly, I don’t even think it’s that close. I also wouldn’t lump Kidd and Wall into the same era – Wall is definitely a different generation….
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, if nash could have at least played decent defense, we’d have to talk about him in the lebron, kobe, wade, howard, CP3 class of guys. there aren’t many players with his offensive gifts. he’s astounding when his team has the ball; it’s just that other end of things that is the sticking point with nash…
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Well, in addition to defense, Nash didn’t have the sustained production I expect those guys to. He just didn’t get good enough at a young enough age – those guys were all superstars by what, age 23?
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
agreed on that too. he wouldn’t have the great career that those players have, but he was a fantastic scorer even before he became the transcendent playmaker he is today. he finally put it all together when he arrived in phoenix and for the past 6 years, his offensive production has been ridiculous.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Ekpe Udoh
Someone needs to do a piece on this guy from Baylor. If you’ve seen him play you know hes the real deal. He’s ranked 14th right now but whatch him go in the top 10. They aren’t making big talk about him yet but they will. Look at his numbers. Do it.
You can scout him if you want
Just say the magic word and you’ll be on the list.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
paul george from fresno state
i feel he could be a better SF than evan turner
That's very debatable, Turner is much more versatile
Potential wise George is better though.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
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