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Take 5 - Warriors vs Blazers

First, a shoutout to scottiepimppin, who generously donated his lower-level tickets to the game. I had a great seat for a great game, thanks to him.

There are some stories you won't see in the major media about this game, and the details are likely to be lost. Questions were answered, and we can feel good about the answers.

1. Our defense last night was mostly minus on matadors. Monta Ellis continues to play solid defense, once again giving Brandon Roy fits. Following a 2-game set where he did the same to Tyreke Evans, I think this qualifies as "surprising". David Lee is playing better d than his reputation, and at least trying hard consistently. The whole team is, and it's paying off. The players who aren't playing good d didn't spend much time on the floor. Portland didn't just have a "bad shooting night" - they were defended.

And that's true of pre-season so far.  We're in the top half of the league in every defensive stat except 3-point % by opponents, and blocks. In the case of blocks, our differential is still 13th. And this is after 2 games against Rudy Fernandez, whose 3pt% dropped in the two games against us. In the first half, Rudy had to really work to get some of his  shots, running a two-screen curl to free himself. His defender was rubbed off on the second pick (which was moving, and uncalled).

2. There is nothing wrong at center that a better rotation and getting Andris Biedrins involved can't fix. By "better rotation" I mean playing Brandan Wright first, not Vlad, and not Gadz. They just can't keep up with our starters, and Brandan can. Both Brandan and Dre brought the energy in the second half, with Dre contributing a rebound and a block to the 2nd quarter outburst that cut the Blazer lead from 7 with 3:30 left to 1 at the half.

3. Yeah, about that outburst....? In 93 seconds, down 7, with four of our starters on the floor, one player had 4 points, 2 rebounds, an assist, and a turnover - and Portland didn't score. As I said, Dre had a board and a block in that period. Curry had a miss and a rebound. Lee scored 2 on the assist.

And you thought all the cheering for Jeremy Lin was because he's Asian? Really? Lin got his first chance with the big kids, and he made the most of it. Yeah, he looked like a rookie, and he needs more confidence. He started his 6:15 with a turnover, driving into the lane and getting caught in a triple under the basket. After that? He got the rebound that led to his first two foul shots. Dre got a board, Lin turned it over, Dre got a block, Lin got a rebound, Lin got fouled. Curry missed a shot, Curry got a rebound - and Lin fired a picture-perfect distance entry pass for Lee to drive the basket. That guy Rudy had to work to rub off to get a shot? Jeremy Lin. (disclaimer: dWright guarded Rudy for most of those minutes and did an outstanding job.)

I don't want to make too much of this, because it was only six minutes. Still, neither Miles nor Bell have done anything remotely similar, with far more opportunities to do so. Our starters were still -8 when Lin came into the game, replacing Bell who replaced Ellis, and the four on the floor all improved. Jeremy Lin's +7 on his quality minutes came mostly from Jeremy Lin. His 4 points matched Curry and Lee at that point, matched Dre at the half, and he gave Lee the ball to get him to 6. Lin may not be ready to be a rotation back up guard, but he played like one yesterday, and by any rational standard he earned more quality time.

The truly odd part is that he did it without taking a shot. Does that give him an infinite TS%, or just a divide by zero error?

4. Garbage Time versus Show Time. It's easy to call the end of a blowout meaningless - doubly so in the preseason. That's a fan's perspective, though. It's not meaningless for players fighting for minutes, or to even make a team. It's not meaningless for the coaches who evaluate them. These guys have their potential careers on the line every time they step onto the court. So how did our "marginal" players handle it? With 5:57 to go, Lin and Carney get back in the game, with the warriors up by 16, so we have gone +2 in the first 6 minutes of the quarter.

At this point the lineup is Lin, Miles, Carney, Adrien, and bWright. At 4:40 we're still up by 16. The Blazers have hit a 3, and Carney has hit a 3 - assist to Lin. The rest of the way the Blazers go 2-7 for 4 points, and have 3 rebounds.

Lin gets a point.

Carney has a turnover and misses a shot.

Brandan Wright scores 4

Miles scores 2

Adrien has 4 rebounds and 2 points.

Got that? In "garbage time" Jeff Adrien outrebounded the Blazers, all by himself. In 8 minutes Adrien improved his already league-leading rebound rate. Jeff Adrien wants to play. A lot. And he wants the rebound. A lot. He's not a fluke - he plays excellent position, his footwork is very good, his timing is good..... and did I mention he really wants that rebound and a job collecting them? And that as kind of a side bonus he's shooting .818? If your name isn't Lee, Biedrins, or Curry and you're a Warrior, right now Adrien is outrebounding you per game. If you're Lee, you're doing well, at 4th in rebounds and sixth at rate. Jeff, though.... well, he's got the best rate in the league, and in 10 minutes per game he's averaging the same number of offensive  boards as Lee.

Miles played ok., but Lin was the dominant guard and Miles deferred to him. Something Jeremy has going for him is he's used to being the best player on his team, but he clearly believes in a team game.  Both Miles and Bell lack that leadership ability.

Our "marginal" players are guys who are supposed to be really marginal. Look at that lineup - 3 undrafted rookies, a guy coming off major injury (he's a bust, yanno) and a guy who hasn't managed to stick with a team (he's a bust too).  They're scary-young and inexperienced. Take out Miles and put in Reggie and they get younger - under 24. And they are so undervalued I could just scream.

5. You'll notice I haven't said much about Carney, Dorell, Steph, and Lee. Carney looks ok, he'll do just fine. Dorell is forcing his offense, and the tempo adjustments. He'll be fine. Steph and Monta and Dorell all shot badly for themselves - and we shot better than Portland. We'll be fine. Steph has too many turnovers - and on a team basis we have a positive differential. It's fine, and what I saw (again - I said this after the first game) bears out what he said - it's timing issues that will settle down with more play.

6. What is there to say about David Lee? He brings it. If he has his way, this will be the hardest working team in show business. He's not greedy, he's not impatient, and he's consistent. Consistently very, very good.

7. Can our team chemistry withstand adversity? So far so good.

8. And what of Rad, Gad, Charlie and Miles? Their spirits are willing, and I see no reason to single any of them out for individual criticism. I think the following combined lines speak for themselves.

RGCM 29 min 1-5 0-3 2-2 for 4pts, 3rebs, 3 assist, 1 steal, 1 turnover, and 6 personal fouls.

JandJ 19 min, 3-3 0-0 5-6 for 11pts, 7 rebs, 2 assist, 1 steal, 2 turnover, and 1 personal foul.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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good analysis

the breakdown is was hoping to find on this game.

by troymurphy on Oct 19, 2010 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Additional thoughts

I too was at the game and will agree that Lin looked superior to Miles and Adrien looked really good. (BTW, the cheering everytime Lin gets the ball is going to get REALLY ANNOYING)

Brandon Wright looked really good. Flashes of Randolph-like ability with an explosive block and good rebounding and decent D and without the Randolph brainfarts. Looked really good.

Monta Ellis took center stage in the intro and did dance in center of group. He then went on to start off taking many wild Monta shots before settling down later. He did play good D on Roy, but he played Roy well last year and Roy does not look right.

Lee did better than I thought on D, but is not an impressive rebounder. Whereas Adrien found great position and muscled away rebounds. Lee did not seem to have the same fight for them. My fears from watching and being upimpressed by his rebounding last year gained even more traction. Still vastly better than Maggette.

by pericles31081 on Oct 19, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the post. Very entertaining. It certainly does sound like Lin will be getting some NBA playing time this year, especially if Reggie is having problems. What a find with Jeff Adrien, too! League leading in rebounding rate? Good. Good. Let’s hope Curry gets his TO rate down and Ellis keeps up the good defense. Biedrins, Lee and D. Wright are going to be great starters and B. Wright will be great off the bench, it seems to me.

I’m thinking Smart will need time to adjust to being the man, though. Hopefully, he’ll do well.

The Golden Glow is the only way to reach the upper level.

by Naticus on Oct 19, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

This is the kinda stuff I like to read.

Thank the mad monk, this makes up for a lot of the preseason we’ve missed since they’re never on TV..

by lilboots on Oct 19, 2010 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a bit nervous about Curry

staying healthy (not to jinx anything). God freaking help us if he goes down for a long stretch. We will have a lot of trouble keeping the turnovers away since we don’t run the Iso anymore. We don’t have a true point guard on this roster other than Steph, and I don’t think Lin will be ready to contribute just yet. It will be interesting to see who earns the majority of the back up minutes between Brandan and Adrien. I really love Adrien’s tenacity. He’s going to spell Amundson for us…maybe even Brandan.

by lilboots on Oct 19, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about Curry

It was pretty obvious watching the game last night that Curry will be playing a lot of minutes once the regular season starts. Smart ended up playing Monta Ellis at back-up point guard in the first half. (something he said he didn’t want to do). He then used Miles to run the point for the final 10 minutes of the game and who knows if Miles will be here next Wednesday.

I did think the starting 5 played really well together. It was a tough shooting night but the passing was much better between them than I expected. Getting Williams back and hopefully Brandon Wright back to where he was are pretty important to help out the 2nd unit.

by Mullin4HOF on Oct 19, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandan Wright

came prepared to play and then some last season during Nelson’s training camp. We never got to see first hand what he was doing on the court at that time, but I suspect that’s what Mully4HOF was referring to. He’s looked good so far…

by lilboots on Oct 20, 2010 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd , This was just the post I needed to start the day.

So far it looks like we may actually get to see some games that count this tear with the core team before injurys set in—-fingers crossed for a healthy year. Wouldnt it be awsome to have a healthy Brandan Wright become the player of his potential. That would have major impact for the team.

by Only In Fairfax on Oct 20, 2010 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, Aminu looked pretty darn good in the Clips game last night. Ugh.

by Only In Fairfax on Oct 20, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

If Griffin stays healthy and Aminu blows up then watchout for the clips in years to come.

by Only In Fairfax on Oct 20, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

If Curry stays healthy and Udoh blows up watch out for the Warriors for years to come

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 20, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Udoh?

Our back up power forward?

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 20, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got as much of a chance to do it as Aminu...

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 21, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do what?

Aminu has a hole on that roster that he could easily break through. His only competition is Ryan Gomes. He’s also very young still, so he has more of a chance to be really good. Udoh is 23 and playing behind David Lee.

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 21, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you contending that a player’s success as an NBA player is contingent on who happens he happens to be playing behind as a rookie? Seems like an odd contention. Is there any non-star in NBA history who you think would have been a star had it not been for the roster makeup of his team when he was a rookie?

Udoh and Aminu were rated pretty evenly before the draft. Aminu has played pretty crappily so far this preseason; Udoh hasn’t played at all. If it were totally axiomatic that Aminu “has more of a chance to be really good,” why would the Warriors have passed on him?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 21, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Larry Riley made a bad pick?

Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud

by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 21, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just mean that

Aminu has a very good chance to be a starter fairly soon. Udoh would have to be really really good to start on our team.

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 21, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm concerned with who is starting

because starters will have more impact on a team’s success than some team’s 3rd or 4th big.

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 21, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Evans stays healthy and Cousins blows up then watch out for the Kings in years to come

Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.

-randolphforpresident

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 20, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Rubio comes over and Johnson blows up then watch out for the T'Wolves in years to come

OK, that one was a joke, but you get my point.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 20, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

How are they using Aminu? SF? PF? Hybrid? Both offensively and defensively – what’s his role, who’s he guarding?

by Missing Barry on Oct 22, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

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