Warriors Preseason Game Links: Golden State Warriors 87 @ Phoenix Suns 92 - Close, but still winless on the road
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 10:24 PM PDT
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Keith Smart
On Playing Monta Ellis 44 Minutes:
"I wanted to play him a lot of minutes tonight. We have a day off before we start playing again. Some nights you’re going to have to try and play because your close in a game to win it, you got to make sure these guys can play 45 minutes being fatigued and this is all part of the training camp."
Monta Ellis
On Tonight's Game:
"It was good. I mean we could have made some more plays but it happens like that some times. I think we played great, excellent on the road. Phoenix has been a great team, they made shots at the end and we can’t do nothing about it, we gave it our all, left it all on the court and did everything coach asked us to do."
On Changes To The Team:
"We have two different teams and that’s from the coaches down to the players. We got new coaches and we got new players. So, we got players who like to play defense, who can play defense and that’s our main goal: that’s playing defense because we can score on the other end we just got to stop people on this end."
Stephen Curry
On The Team's Poor Shooting:
"Very uncharacteristic for us to shoot the ball that poorly, but I think our defense is so much improved that we’re still in the game to win at the end. Some guys were very off tonight and we had a couple foul-trouble issues, but we were right there at the end to almost get the win on the road so you got to like where you’re at right now."
On Coming Back In The Second Half:
"I think we really found some things that we liked in the second half to get our offense back going and we played pretty good defense down the stretch and we out-rebounded them, which we haven’t done in a while. Even though it’s a loss you got to like where we are at."
Notes
- Reggie Williams DNP again on the groin injury. Current injury list: Reggie - groin, Amundson - finger, Udoh - wrist.
- No change in training camp invitees or that 15th spot. Aaron Miles and Jeff Adrien are still playing well enough to hang around.
What's next?
- Thurs/Fri back to back road games @ Lakers in 2 different arenas. KNBR radio coverage on Thurs, ESPN coverage on Friday.
- Matt Steinmetz missed last week's online chat due to a scheduling conflict. Let's see if he's free again tomorrow (Wed) at noon on for his weekly online chat on his chat page.
| Date | Day | Time | Opponent | Location | TV | Radio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oct 21 | Thu | 7:00pm | @Lakers | San Diego Sports Arena | - | KNBR 680 |
| Oct 22 | Fri | 7:30pm | @Lakers | Citizens Business Bank Arena | ESPN | - |
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So,
new to the links post is the yahoo photo gallery link added next to the Associated Press recap link.
Why did Monta play 44 minutes? This is a preseason game, he should have been playing the mid 20’s like Lee and Curry.
The only thing I can think of is that Smart wanted to give him an extended look with the back-ups
If Smart is still trying to figure out who he wants to run the point when Curry is out maybe he decided to let Ellis get more time on the court with the reserves to see how they work together while still wanting to give Ellis his normal work with the starters so they can continue to gel.
Yeah, that's definitely possible
It could also be that the other guards on the roster (Bell, Miles) couldn’t do anything against the Suns defense while they were in, forcing Smart to rely on Monta.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but it’s still preseason. Monta is probably going to play heavy minutes again, so we should have rested him.
Keith Smart was asked that question
I’m not entirely sure what to make of his answer. We do have 4 or 5 days between the end of preseason and the start of the regular season to rest guys before the 82 game grind. Even still, Smart’s answer doesn’t explain why he played ONLY Monta that many minutes. Right now, my hunch is still that Smart felt he had no other guard to go to tonight, especially with Reggie out.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
In the long run it really doesn't mean anything
giving him 10 more minutes of rest has basically zero effect on how worn out he’ll be this year. As long as this doesn’t become a regular occurrence things will be fine. I think it’s more odd than concerning.
Whoops
forgot to mention that his answer is in the postgame quotes
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
If that was true, it might have made sense
but Miles was far from the worst contributor on the floor tonight, and he did pick up 5 boards in his minutes. A better question is why play Monta 43 minutes and NOT play Carney more than 5, or Lin at all? Why play Vlad as first big and Bell at 1st small when you know they won’t help? Vlad did ok at the end of the game, but that was after doing almost literally nothing for the majority of his minutes. Why play Gadz at all?
Because it was a preseason back to back, mebbe in part. But that doesn’t explain playing Ellis that long. It’s not smart at all.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Smart's weakness appears to be his rotations.
And his strengths are motivating players, and getting good effort out of them. I’m kinda mixed.
Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 19, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think it's too early to judge his rotations
In the pre-season the team has a number of different goals besides simply winning the game, so it’s hard to judge the substitution decisions when we don’t know all the reasons behind them.
on the plus side
Ellis, Curry, Brandan, and Adrien could have survived Vlad tonight and won if either Ellis or Curry had hit a shot at the end. I can’t blame any of the subs for this one, even though some of them didn’t do that well.
Adrien’s rebound rate came down a bit, but still spectacular. And his shooting is now closer to sustainable, too.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
you could say that one of nellies biggest strengths was his rotations. jus sayin
Don't Trade Monta
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by JohnnyDangerously on Oct 20, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
He played small ball to an ad naseum... thats not good rotations...
Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 20, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
without video footage, or more importantly, recorded video footage so we can rewind and analyze what happened, we’ll never know for sure. However, it’s possible that Radman contributed in ways that don’t show up on the box score. Last season, even though he wasn’t hitting his shots, I felt he was pretty smart about moving around on the defensive end. It could be that Smart used Radman to fill in defensive holes caused by the opposing offense moving around.
I don’t think Smart is stupid. He must have a reason for playing Radman so many minutes. He must have a reason for playing Carney 6 minutes. He must have a reason for playing Monta 44 minutes and Biedrins 16 minutes. The problem is, we don’t have any idea what they are. But just because we don’t know why doesn’t mean a good reason doesn’t exist.
And if we’re going to be fair, we should criticize Doc Rivers for playing Rondo 40 min, Allen 39 min, and Pierce 37 min in a preseason road win against the Knicks last week, instead of “letting his bench play”.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
don't trust what the coach says in public
he feels obligated to project certainty and authority. His ambition is to survive the ‘interim’ label, but the only experience he has in building a winning team is two of Nelson’s years, a model he obviously can’t apply. He saw an opportunity for a road win. There will be plenty of improvisation ahead, but he can’t come out and admit he hasn’t really figured things out, and he might not be as confident as he presents on the surface.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
Taking a quick look at the play-by-play
one reason that Radman might have played so much tonight is because he was assigned guard Channing Frye, a 3 pt shooting center. I think Radman is mobile enough to guard Frye around the perimeter.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
not a chance
Let me put it to you this way. A recent WP48 study identified 48 players who had generated 0 wins for their teams over the last full 3 seasons. Generally, these are players who make you worse to the point you lose more the more they play. We have two of them. We have a third player who was in that category last year.
Combined, we are paying them over $15 million dollars this year. They have far moe value to us if they never, ever set foot on the court.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Why did Monta play 44 minutes?
maybe wanted to evaluate him to see if he makes the cut?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 20, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he wanted to send a message to Riley that he needs another point guard?
Then why did they just cut a reasonably experienced one?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 20, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
So i have tickets to opening night, and i have season tix to the giants so I will get WS tickets if they get there. Should i feel bad that i’ll probably go to the Warriors game?
Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 19, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
no, but you should sell your Giants tix if you get them
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Well that is the added benefit.
We’ll make a ton of money selling them too.
Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 19, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta go to giants game
If I were you I would see if I could trade your dubs tickets for another night – since your tix are for opening night you may get something better in terms of seats in return
nah, trust me... the seats i have can't really be upgraded too much.
Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 20, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Side note: Anyone know if this Jeff Adrien guy will be on our roster? The rook seems like he can bring in a lot of what we need in the front court especially with Udoh and Amundson out.
No news as of right now
Looks like Larry Riley is stretching Miles and Adrien to the end of preseason before making the sign or cut decision.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The team hasn't made a decision yet
but you have to think the Amundson injury makes it that much more likely that Adrien gets the job.
Yeah, I think this makes sense
It could also be that Riley is waiting for an “official” injury recovery timetable on Amundsen so he can factor that into the decision to sign Adrien.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 19, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
or that he's waiting for the preseason to end with Adrien healthy
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Wow
that Ellis spin towards the baseline shot over the back board was nastyyy
This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM
Brandan Wright looks good
Maybe a little tough love from Smart and some good play from Vlad was what BWright needed – he had a nice stat line and if he can put up #s like that consistently backing up Lee then we are definitely set at the 4 spot. Good for him!
I’m worried about the 5 spot though – with Udoh and Lou down and Beans likely to be pretty inconsistent, we may need Lee to play center more than we want.
Monta looks great – nice to see his play backing up all his positive talk so far.
Curry needs to be more assertive though – hopefully when the season starts he gets it going like we know he can.
Perhaps when Lee’s defense is too much of a liability, Wright can come in and do something on that end. With his shot blocking ability and length, he should be able to do some things on defense as well as offense.
The Golden Glow is the only way to reach the upper level.
I’d like Brandan subbing for Dre, and Adrien subbing for Lee. Style-wise and body-wise, that makes the most sense to me. It puts Lee at “center” more than we’d like, but otherwise it works out.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Just looking at the boxscore, this looks like my worst nightmares realized. Monta plays 44 minutes and shoots 28 times? David Lee goes 1-11? Vlad gets extended burn? I don’t get it.
BWright put up some nice solid numbers again though, that’s good to see.
Oh, and they better sign Adrien. Dude has done basically everything right as far as I can tell.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
I think I can play Center better than Gadz.
are you 7 feet tall?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 20, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions
LOL
How ironic would it be if he was 6’10 or something….
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
How ironic would it be if he was 6’10 or something….
or if he was really Chris Hunter :>)
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 20, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
… Or if he were Dwight Howard…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 20, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I definitely double took the scoreboard
87-92 Warriors Suns?!?
How long does it take a player to recover from a dislocated finger ?
Warriors have Gadzuric, Radman, and BWright to make up for the absence of Amundson. Adrien was signed because he played hard and fought for his spot in preseason. And he deserves it.
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