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It's Time to Stop Hating On Former Warrior Anthony Randolph

What is with all the Randolph hating and the boasting because Lee is playing well and Randolph is not? Yea I get it. You are insecure about losing Randolph's potential. But seriously, enough of the fanshots stating how poorly he's played and then adding a ridiculous statement such as,"Randolph is now "lousy." Go Lee!"

Randolph was a player who was once on the Warriors and despite his shortcomings and tension with Don Nelson he never did anything to give fans a reason to hate. You could say that he didn't live up to the hype and that's why you're hating. But guess what; Randolph had absolutely no hype when we drafted him. We, the fans, hyped him up when we saw his potential, his skills, and his passion. We hyped him up and because he didn't live up to that hype you want to hate on him now that he's on another team? Even making fun of him and his "dribbling abilities" is unfair. I think we all know how desperate Don Nelson was to find the next "Magic Johnson" and once he saw that Randolph could, some what, handle the ball, Nelson put Randolph in a position he obviously wasn't ready for. Laugh at Nelson for that one. Randolph wanted to play for the Warriors and probably would've had a better start to the season, had he stayed on the Warriors, instead of getting traded to Knicks. When Randolph comes back to play the Warriors this year...do you have a reason to boo or make fun of him??? You don't. Instead, root for Randolph, as a former Warrior and stop acting like a stuffy, nosed 8 year old. You're better than that Warrior fans. 

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Randolph is now lousy. Go Lee!

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by golden_solitude on Oct 23, 2010 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

That’s just how some Warriors fans are, they’re so quick to turn their back on players; they’ll hype them up like crazy and then very soon they’ll start to have so much negativity for that player.

Some Warriors fans are also just hating on Randolph so they can make themselves feel better about the David Lee trade. I don’t see much wrong with it, since it’s good to know we got the better end of the deal with the Knicks, but sometimes the constant talk about how Randolph sucks gets out of hand.

It also seems like some people get extremely happy to see Randolph fail. Whenever Randolph has a bad night, some Warriors fans actually enjoy hearing the news. I mean come on, did Anthony break up with you causing you to want his life to be miserable?

A lot of Warriors fans used to love Randolph because he had so much passion and fire for the game, but once he started playing a little badly under Nellie and couldn’t control himself on the court, some Warriors fans stopped calling him passionate and replaced the label with “immature”. Really? I don’t get how Randolph was immature in Golden State. Yeah, he would be seen whining, but all of that emotion was what made people love him in the first place; it showed that he cared so much about winning and played with a ton of intensity, it’s just that when it resulted in losses people stopped looking at it so positively and labeled it as something bad. It’s not like Randolph was a cancer to the team and got in fights with the coaches. If he did, then I could see why people call him immature.

It’s not like he ever showed disinterest in the team and forced a trade to NY. Some people are giving him the same treatment that Raptors fans gave to VC when he went to the Nets. I understand that Randolph didn’t live up to expectations, but why so much hate? He was the 14th pick, do people always get mad when mid 1st round draft picks don’t become all-stars in their 2nd year?

Randolph is still young and will get better. He just turned 22 years old, his rookie season he barely played until the end of the year when B.Wright got injured, and in his 2nd season he was out for half of the season. Lets see how he does in the next two years before we label him a bust.

by Precise Films Productions on Oct 23, 2010 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

As a Warriors fan living in T.O.

This situation is nothing like the Vince Carter situation at all.

by SPENCEMAN on Oct 23, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

I know. I over exaggerated a bit on that comparison.

by Precise Films Productions on Oct 23, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t get how Randolph was immature in Golden State.

cause he WAS immature, what 18 or 19 years old at draft? He had a RIGHT to be immature, to expect otherwise would be FoxNews reality.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 23, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

So should people start complaining that John Wall is immature, too, because he got drafted at 19? Yeah, the Wizards should trade him because he has immaturity problems.

Just because someone is young it doesn’t mean that he’s immature. A 19 year old probably isn’t mature physically, but mentally they can be fine.

What I meant to say in my previous post is that when looking back on Randolph, some Warriors fans would make comments about how he had maturity problems, as if he was some type of cancer who was crude like Stephen Jackson and Rasheed Wallace.

He had the right to be immature, but he wasn’t, which is why I don’t get why people thought that he actually was. Yes, it’s fine to expect him to be immature because he’s so young, but people claimed that he was immature when he showed that he wasn’t. The only immature thing I’ve ever seen him do was scream at Yao Ming after he dunked on him twice.

He was a good kid who played with a lot of fire and passion and brought a ton of energy on the floor. Yes, his game is underdeveloped, but he definitely wasn’t immature. People can say he was because he tried to do a lot on the court, but that’s exactly what Nellie wants his players to do. Nellie ball involves a lot of iso’s with the green light to take any shot. Randolph was simply just listening to his coach.

by Precise Films Productions on Oct 23, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So should people start complaining that John Wall is immature, too, because he got drafted at 19?

No, they should expect it and enjoy watching him mature on the court.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 24, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you have it twisted

“Hating” is such a strong word. Many of us were just attached to Randolph and his unwavering potential— too attached to see him blossom into the next superstar on his new team (ex: Gilbert Arenas & VC). We’re not hating on him, we’re just finding reassurance.

by lushlife on Oct 23, 2010 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

It’s about time we came out ahead in a trade! After watching us trade Parrish and McHale for JBC, Mitch for Owens, Googs for Donyell, Hardaway and Gatling for Bimbo and Willis, Mullie for Dampier, Terry for Mookie, and on and on… I have no problem with people celebrating what seems to be a great trade.

Granted, I rarely read the posts about Randolph. They don’t interest me.

by Uwe Blog on Oct 23, 2010 7:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

still not sure we're are ready to say we came out better on that trade

Remeber that David Lee is going to cost us $80 million…that’s a lot (like superstar lots) of money.
Plus, you have got to throw in Turiaf (who we could be using in our rotation right now), and Buike (books still out on him and his recovery).
Plus, as we’re talking about here, AR is still young too.

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 4, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Post

I guess by knocking Randolph it makes everyone feel better about the state of the Warriors. Randolph is 6 years younger and makes like 6 times less money than Lee. Lee should be and is the better player. I think us Warriors fans should be happy that Randolph was good enough to get a Lee. It sounds like he may be good enough to be key piece of trade to get a Melo. I doubt Jason Thompson would have gotten the same talent in a trade.

Also I haven’t seen any comparisons of Maggette’s numbers to Charlie Bell and Gadzuric.

by Mullin4HOF on Oct 23, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah

I’m extremely happy that the Warriors have Lee. Golden State finally has the capability to rebound and score inside with the Lee/Biedrins frontcourt tandem. The team finally has an all around offensive game which will allow less chucked outside shots now that they can finally play an inside-out offense.

It’s just that at the same time, I don’t see why I should hate on Randolph or hope that he doesn’t succeed in New York. He’s a good young player that needs more experience, I hope he lives up to his potentia and even if he doesn’t I’ll still support him and wish him the best.

I guess by knocking Randolph it makes everyone feel better about the state of the Warriors.

Exactly. The reason for this is because since the Warriors suck so bad, some Warriors fans refuse to feel worse about the team since it’s already in a bad state. As a result, they do/say stuff to make them feel better about the Warriors.

To turn your back on Randolph and say, “Oh, well I didn’t like him anyways” when you really did and then start hoping that he fails is just a way to feel better about the Golden State Warriors. Some Warriors fans would hate for Randolph to become an all-star in New York, because it would mean that Golden State made “another stupid trade by giving away a great young player” and it would make them look bad.

That’s why some people have been happy to see that Anthony is doing so bad in the Knicks preseason so far. It’s like selling your young business for $1,000 and seeing it blossom into a billion dollar business with new ownership, of course you’d regret selling the business now that you found out that it succeeded. You’d feel stupid. That’s why some Warriors fans hope for the worst for Randolph because they don’t want to regret the David Lee trade in the future.

by Precise Films Productions on Oct 23, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your exactly right

Randolph did nothing wrong toward the Warriors when he was here. He spent most of his two off-seasons in the Bay Area working on his game. He was even practicing with the Summer league team (when he didn’t need to be) when the trade happened. He even said he was hoping to stay with the Warriors. I heard an interview with Reggie Williams about a month ago and he was asked which teammates he had been working out with this off-season and the first guy he mentioned was Randolph.

Anyway I just hope he doesn’t get boo’d or some sort of negative reaction when he returns because he certainly doesn’t deserve it.

BTW your business analogy is exactly the reason Cohan refused to sell to Ellison.

by Mullin4HOF on Oct 24, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares? If your a fan, you shouldn’t be concerned by preseason games for a player we traded over the summer. Root for our team!

Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud

by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 23, 2010 10:46 PM PDT reply actions  

youre wrong

randolph had hype. lots of it. from all the top gms and analysts. he was supposed to be the steal of the draft.

and that enough is a reason to dislike him. after losing baron, al, and the rest of thewe believe squad we wanted him to fill the void.

and nope. he didnt even try

have fun new york

by dubious dubz on Oct 24, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Noooo....You're wrong hahaha
randolph had hype. lots of it. from all the top gms and analysts. he was supposed to be the steal of the draft.

His hype was minimal when he was drafted. A lot of top gms and analysts and fans questioned why we drafted him as we already had Brandan Wright. It was the fans who hyped him as the next Kevin Garnett when they saw his potential and passion. When analysts started noticing him they’d say “maybe the next Lamar Odom or the next Daius Miles”. Analysts and top Gms never hyped him up as much as fans did.

and that enough is a reason to dislike him. after losing baron, al, and the rest of thewe believe squad we wanted him to fill the void.

So because you were wrong about how good he was going to be and he didn’t step up in only two years in the NBA at the age of 20 for the entire We Believe Team.. “thats enough of a reason to hate him”?? You need to take that hater finger and point it toward Chris Cohan, Robert Rowell and Chris Mullin for trading Richardson, letting go of Baron and making false promises to Jackson and Harrington, toward Don Nelson for his misuse of Randolph or yourself for being rediculous.

and nope. he didnt even try

He tried my friend. He worked his butt off putting on weight and working on his skills during the preseason, always went to practice and when he played in the game he played with passion.
It’s easy to see that Randolph “tried.” I can’t think of a time when Randolph was put in the game and he wasn’t trying. An actuall weakness of his was that he would try too hard. Go watch a Anthony Randolph Highlight Reel on you tube and maybe you’ll see just how rediculous it is to hate on him for the reasons you mentioned.

The real reason has to do with the David Lee trade and your insecurity with it. For the moment, Lee is doing well and Randolph isnt. and even if it was Randolph who was playing well and Lee who wasn’t, I still don’t see a reason to anyone has cited to hate on Randolph.

by Dro50 on Oct 24, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"ridiculous"

ri·dic·u·lous

–adjective
causing or worthy of ridicule

by The Wright Wrotation on Oct 24, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha no worries, I just thought it would help. For me it is only easy to spell things if I can relate the word to other similar words, like ridiculous, worthy of ridicule. Otherwise it sounds like it would be “re-”, but when I think about spelling ridicule that one to me is clearly not “re-dicule”

by The Wright Wrotation on Oct 24, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Insecurity with David Lee trade

Firstly, I’d like to thank Anthony for being good enough and tall enough (hence the potential) to acquire a player with the skill set of a David Lee. As a long time Warrior fan, Lee was a guy I coveted the first time I ever saw him play. He finished with 15 and 15.

I’m not sure what you mean about insecurity. I’m not insecure enough to say that Randolph still has a chance at being better than Lee. But I would also add that the chance of that happening is very small. Randolph seems interested in developing his game towards that of a small forward’s. The addition of STAT to the Knicks, plus Mike D as the coach, would add fuel to the fire of Randolph’s aspirations of playing like a smaller guy.

Since I think he would make a much, much, more effective player in the post, I think his perception of his own game is faulty, and it’s not going to lead him to the promised land. He is going to waste years of critical development honing the wrong skill sets. He should not be doing cone drills and shooting three’s. He should be working in the post, with and without the ball, and perhaps be taking ballet in the off-season(footwork).

His maturity was an issue not because he was 19 or 20, but because he lacked the maturity so many kids his age already possessed. This maturity was more on a fundamental level, rather than an outstanding one that would suggest any rarity or uniqueness. After he put in much physical work in the off-season after his rookie year, despite his best efforts, he still showed that he did not understand the going-ons of a simple offensive set, and he consistently missed defensive assignments. Despite these crucial needs to be successful, he still raised the argument that he “deserved” playing time through his hard work during one off-season, and his body language while he’d be taken out of a game, suggested very, very publicly just how displeased he was with coach Nelson in doing so, and on a public spectrum, this displeasure was an indirect reflection on the franchise as a whole, as well.

This is exactly when I began to lose hope. Would Kevin Durant have reacted the same way? He’s a great player, a young player.

This is when it became obvious that Randolph had no clue what it meant to really take his game to the next level. His idea of what it takes to really improve in this league year in and year out, was apparently jaded. Usually, if a person doesn’t know, then you can tell them. But Randolph has that “fire” we were all so gushy over, right? “Men” with such passion are not so easily convinced until they’ve experienced failure first hand. Cold part about that is, almost all of us will never have a chance to fail on that large of stage. This makes it harder to tuck your tail in between your legs, bite your lip, and admit that you were wrong, even for “mature people”. Not only would Anthony have to do that if he continued on the same pace, but he would also have to back track and make corrections to his game that he has stubbornly developed over the years because of his….immaturity.

So again, it’s not insecurity as much as it is pure joy, that the Warriors found a way to get over with a good trade to mark the beginning of a new era. I’m proud of Riley for being able to achieve this, and I hope Randolph has an epiphany, and realizes his true potential in the post.

by lilboots on Oct 26, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really don't think AR is an immature person for his age.

He just has a lack of feeling for the game. He must have had horrible coaching up until Nellie (who’s a good coach).

by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 26, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s got an overdeveloped sense of pride when it comes to his basketball prowess. Just statements coming straight out of the draft like, “I want to be one of the best basketball who’s ever lived” to the little things like dribbling a basketball the entire time Fitz is conducting an interview with him. He just doesn’t seem very mature, but that’s just my opinion of the guy. I wouldn’t confuse that with saying he’s a bad guy or not an intelligent guy. Totally different things.

by lilboots on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

lack of good coaching for AR

probably had a whole lot to do with the fact that he is such an athletic freak. I’m guessing that even up through college, all he was ever told to do was to get on the floor and get the ball, put it in the hoop, run back for D

Too bad, but it does seem that the guys with the best fundamentals are usually the least athletic (with the exception of Pao who just does everything so well it makes me sick…oh and KD)

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 4, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he had hype

he would have gone higher than 14th or wherever it was we got him.

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 24, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh come on

at this point Anthony Randolph’s biggest hope might to become the next Chris Gatling.
that’s not hating its reality.
Maybe you shouldnt hate on David Lee , now a GOLDEN STATE WARRIOR.

David Lee didn’t have “hype” and was drafted 30th and has worked his tail off to be a star NBA player in each of the seasons hes played hes improved.

hows that for a comparison

by 11allstar on Oct 24, 2010 7:13 PM PDT reply actions  

No, that's hating

We all like David Lee. It’s very stupid to keep posting about Anthony Randolph, though.

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 24, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’m tired of all these (this one included) whiny fanboys arguing about this or that to make themselves feel a tiny bit better. Root for the Got-Damn team not a player who won’t amount TO ANYTHING for the Warriors. Randolph’s single biggest contribution to the team was getting us David Lee, so there’s that to chew on for a while.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Oct 25, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Gatling? If Randolph had the BB IQ of Gatling, he would be an all-star. It’s not for lack of talent, he doesn’t do so well. It’s due to selfishness and stubbornness. If he ever sheds the excessive shooting and actually starts to understand basic basketball, he will start making all-star teams regularly, especially in New York.

The Golden Glow is the only way to reach the upper level.

by Naticus on Oct 25, 2010 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

uh dude look up at the top i didnt bring im up

i hope im wrong about randolph, but the reality is very few players ever pan out to be great—no matter the draft status or reason.

by 11allstar on Oct 24, 2010 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice use of reply button

I didn’t say you brought him up, just that you’re kind of hating. You’re also implicitly defending the people who keep bringing him up by posting that.

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 24, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

you really need to let it go.

by 11allstar on Oct 25, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

AR4

will be better than David Lee. and not just by a little bit

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Oct 24, 2010 9:43 PM PDT reply actions  

At macking on the beezies in Walnut Creek?

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Oct 25, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

at making confused, crumpled-eyebrow expressions?

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 4, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

AR isn't on this squad no more, MOVE ON

Yes we all love him and hate him but why are we talking about him? He isn’t a Warrior anymore…

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by Monta THE Boss on Oct 25, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Never!

Wasn’t his fault at where he got drafted, but the guy was an @ss all the way around. He knew Oakland hated him, so I always kinda thought he would just stop trying during the season.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Oct 25, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why we are still talking about AR

We are still talking about Anthony Randolph because we are all secretly afraid that he is going to turn into a great player. We are afraid because we have seen it happen before, and it has happened to us. We have to keep talking about him because we need him to be bad so that we can feel better about OUR team.

Also, as a fan of Bill Simmons, I have to point out that the Sports Guy consistently builds up AR all the time. He compares him to a Gazelle running down the court, and even listed him in some type of Top Ten players he would have to see in person. Warriors fans are not the only one who thought that Anthony Randolph had more than potential.

 If he couldn’t make it in the Bay where the fans are pretty forgiving (Pretty forgiving, not totally forgiving) then I doubt a town like New York will do anything for his psychological state of mind.

by Underhand Free-throw on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I am not sure what the policy on posting stuff from another persons blog is...

So I won’t cut and paste from his blog. However he says that the Knicks are great grabing hold of “tortured Tallents” and giving them a lot of love that helps to turn their careers around. He goes on to say that if Randolph is going to have any career at all it will be brought out in NY.

Here is the blog, where he talks about the value of his Clippers season tickets. Scroll down to # 7. New York Knicks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101015&sportCat=nba

by Underhand Free-throw on Oct 27, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh… I haven’t been impressed with ESPN analysts. While it was an interesting read, it wasn’t convincing. He really wants Randolph to succeed and has convinced himself that New York is loving, and that will fix him. I doubt it. Again, I hope Randolph succeeds, but why should I believe New York can fix the problem? Sprewell, who Simmons posits as an example of how good New York is at fixing troubled players, was already good. Randolph has never been consistently good. He was always the upside guy, but upside is never guaranteed, even in “loving” New York.

The Golden Glow is the only way to reach the upper level.

by Naticus on Oct 28, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, seriously.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Oct 26, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not hating . it's called realizing that he isn't as good as Warriors fans convinced themselves

that he would be. Seriously, Warriors fans deserve to talk about him because theyre the ones who hyped him up to the level of an all-star. He has done nothing in the preseason to show that he has improved as a player. He is still the same Anthony Randolph with low basketball IQ. For god’s sake, hes in D’Antoni’s dog house already and Warriors fans are STILL in denial! He isnt that good. Get over it.

by Spreefor3!!! on Oct 26, 2010 1:56 AM PDT reply actions  

It's one thing to think he's not as good as he is

and to talk up David Lee. It’s another to post his box score stats for each preseason game. That’s hateful.

I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 26, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree that posting his box score stats every game is really petty. Personally, I hope the kid grows up and becomes a great player. That said, not only will that take a few years, assuming that ever happens, you’d have to gamble on paying him a great deal of money. The Knicks will be in an awkward position, when his contract runs out. There will be teams willing to gamble on him and pay him well. That would have been us, but with Lee we don’t worry about that. I’m happy with the trade and regardless of what happens, I say it was the right trade.

The Golden Glow is the only way to reach the upper level.

by Naticus on Oct 27, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not one to hate on Randolph

I’m not one to hate on Turiaf. Wish the Warriors still had both of them! At least Turiaf becomes a free agent soon and he could be signed back on.

There’s no reason to hate on Randolph he worked his tail off, was finally going to see a lot of minutes, and then bam out with an injury.

by LPBear9 on Oct 27, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Before the injury, his performance in preseason was horrible. His scoring efficiency and turnovers were as poor as ever, and he seemed (in a small sample size) to have regressed in rebounding, the one area in which he had really shown promise.

Based on his performance and rumors of D’Antoni’s dissatisfaction, it seems unlikely that he was going to see “a ton of minutes,” at least not initially.

Not “hating,” just calling things as they are right now. Randolph still doesn’t seem that close to taking the leap we were all hoping for. I think he could still get there — he’s still only 21 — but with each passing poor performance and dissatisfied coach, the chances of that leap diminish slightly.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 27, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

you do realize it’s only the bandwagoners that claim that right?

by dezymond on Nov 9, 2010 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

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