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RECAP #3: Golden State Warriors 83, Los Angeles Lakers 107 - No Treats, Just Tricks

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See how that picture makes you want to throw up? The entirety of the game was like that.

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Ooof. That was a big punch in the stomach. There were no treats for the Warriors tonight at the Staples Center on this Halloween night. After the high of Friday night's blowout victory over the other LA team, this loss is a big backhanded slap of reality to the face. Without Curry, I didn't expect the Warriors to win, but I thought they'd at least be competitive. Down 20 after the first quarter, the Warriors never really got back into the game.

But hey, the Giants won game 4 of the World Series and are just one win away from a championship. When was the last time the Giants, Raiders and Niners won a game on the same day?

This game was dominated from tip off to the final buzzer by the defending champs. Some quick observations and thoughts after the jump.

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  • Repeat this with me: Monta Ellis cannot play point guard. We figured that out awhile ago, but tonight was a big reason why we need Curry in there handling the ball. Monta is great off the ball, but as the primary distributor he's not so great. He had a nice game despite the team worst -33 +/-. He didn't have a bad game -  he still finished with 20 points on 9-20 shooting. It's just the flow the of team is better when Steph has the ball. He was the best option for tonight, but I really hope Steph isn't out for too long. 
  • Where was the real David Lee? Some random dude had an amazing David Lee Halloween costume. He looked just like him. But sadly, the random dude couldn't play just like David Lee. 19 minutes, 0 points, 3 rebounds, 5 turnovers. The real David Lee must have been trick or treating somewhere in LA. At least he'll be back against Memphis.
  • Andris Biedrins did okay tonight. Nice little all-around game though I expect more from him. 6 points, 8 boards, and a nice little 4 assist night. Honestly, I don't care much about the assists but I'll take'em.
  • As far as the Lakers frontline, all you need to know is this: Lamar Odom (16 pts, 14 rebs) and Pau Gasol (26 pts, 12 rebs) are pretty scary. They should just trade Bynum for a guy who will actually play and not be injured all the time. Sucker some GM into his talent and get a useful player back.
  • I continue to really like Dorell Wright. He hustles and plays solid D. Tonight he did well to get his 18 points and had a few nice plays.
  • The free throw shooting disparities between the Warriors and their opponents is a bit alarming: 30 to 13 tonight, 32 to 17 against the Clippers, and 52 to 26 against the Rockets. Without Corey Maggette, this team is going to have to figure out how to get some easy buckets and get to the line.
  • Also about the free throws, need to do a better job converting them. They did well against the Rockets but against the Clippers they made just 9-17 (52%) and just 6-13 against the Lakers (46%).
  • What was Jeremy Lin thinking with those orange shoes? Did he not get the memo that this year's team colors have no orange in them? Let's hope he was wearing the orange shoes either because of Halloween or as a show of support for the Giants.
  • Speaking of Lin, he got some extended minutes at the point tonight (16 minutes) and he's got a long way to go. 1-5 from the field, 5 turnovers fouls, but at least he had 4 steals and 3 assists. It's the turnovers that worry me and that It worries me that he can't shoot so well. (EDIT: Whoops mis-read the boxscore)
  • Rodney Carney is fast. On some of those fast breaks he really just explodes down the court. He did well on the glass tonight getting 8 boards in just 16 minutes.
  • Brandan Wright. When is he going to be more than a more consistent player? He scored well tonight (11 points on 5-6 FG's), albeit against backups, but didn't rebound well (3 boards in 17 minutes). Still waiting for him to become a useful bench player.
  • How is this team going to perform on the road this year? They weren't a good road team last year and unless they get tougher physically and mentally, I can't see them coming even close to .500 on the road.
  • It's just one game and they played the best team in the league, but man the Warriors look bad without Steph. Ice, rest, massage. Repeat. Get well soon and please come back quick Steph.
  • Warriors get 2 days off before they face the Memphis Grizzlies (Blog buddy: Straight Outta Vancouver). They'll take the time to lick their wounds and bounce back at home.

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There's not much to celebrate from the Warriors game, so I'll give it to Madison Bumgarner for his dominant 8IP, 3H, 2BB, and 6K's. He was flat out awesome and for a 21 year old rookie pitcher to do that in a hostile environment in a pivotal game, wow.

Quick SAT question: Madison Bumgarner. Buster Posey. Ekpe Udoh. Which rookie doesn't belong?

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Jeremy Lin had FIVE FOULS / ZERO Turnovers

I didn’t see his extended minutes due to playing in my adult league but reading comments from your other posts indicate Jeremy Lin had some energy and played hard. The zero turnovers is a definite bonus.

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by coach41 on Nov 1, 2010 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Whoops

Guess I need to shake off some rust and get back to reading the boxscore correctly.

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by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 1, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, I guess you didn't see the game

where does that 5TO come from?? When Lin and Reggie on the court, they actually manage to make the game close. Too bad Lin had 5 fouls. He is a rookie, you know, call does not go his way.

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Nov 1, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

He must have been playing against Fisher and got a foul every time he contacted Fisher’s aura.

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by cybermaldonado on Nov 1, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

heh

He got to Fisher. In the third quarter, Fisher and Blake had a combined 5 points, 3 turnovers, no assists and a rebound. He had 5 fouls, 2 points, steals from Bryant, Odom, Blake, and Gasol, 3 assists. His two shooting fouls were on Bryant and Blake.

He most certainly would not have had 5 fouls if wasn’t actively trying to stop other people’s guy.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 1, 2010 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

btw

we had 6 rebounds in that period. One was his – so of the 10 possessions we generated in 9 minutes, 5 were his. Think about it.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 1, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

He most certainly would not have had 5 fouls if wasn’t actively trying to stop other people’s guy.

but the object is to be good enough to stop them within the rules, anyone can stop them with fouls.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too much flipping channels and Halloween candy?

I think you were extremely harsh on Lin. Sure, Lin’s the guy we love to pick on, but after this game he’s gonna get more minutes. First, Lin isn’t a perimeter shooter. He likes to drive to the hoop and he was effective at doing that. Only thing is, he’s gonna have to score more. Even the Lakers announcers were telling Jeremy to shoot. Second, Lin can handle the ball. He ALMOST had a turnover, but turned it into a fumble recovery play ;). I like the way Lin keeps the Warriors spacing and then attacks the open lanes. He and DWright had something going. As for the orange shoes, the Warriors can keep them, but they better play a lot better and win.

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by callahan on Nov 2, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Lin had some energy and played hard

haha, yeah he put a lot of effort into fouling

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Keith Smart gave up way too early. I honestly believe we had a chance to win that game in the 4th.

He had David Lee and Andris Biedrins on the bench when there was still plenty of time left in the game. The Warriors were only down about 12-14 points, but it was too late to put the big men back in the game once the Lakers brought the lead up to 20+.

When Jeremy Lin got on the court, the Warriors went on a 9-0 run, yet Smart kept our starting big men on the bench. Imagine if Lee and Biedrins were on the court during that 9-0 run. Those two would have given the Warriors a bigger arsenal for the comeback, and probably would have built some momentum to spark some extra scoring and defense to rally and win the game. I think it was Charlie Bell and Jeremy Lin during that 9-0 run, too. Smart could have at least put Monta back to join Lin in the backcourt so he could ride with the momentum.

by Precise Films Productions on Nov 1, 2010 6:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I forgot to add

The Warriors’ scoring problem was more about them having an off-night than the Lakers actually playing any good defense. Golden State missed way too many wide open shots that game. Dorell, Monta and Reggie all had uncontested shots, they just weren’t going in for some reason. Radmanovic and Bell had wide open looks on threes as well, but I don’t really expect them to shoot well anyways so it wasn’t a surprise that their shots weren’t going in.

The team ran a lot of good plays that gave players good looks, they just failed to complete the shots. Another note from the game is that David Lee needs to be given the ball more often, he was basically irrelevant that game and we desperately needed his 20ppg that he averaged for New York.

Like I said, the Warriors just had an off-night with their shooting. The Lakers defense wasn’t as good as I expected it to be. When Jeremy Lin is leading the Warriors on a 9-0 run you know LA isn’t playing defense at their full potential. They even had an 11-0 run in the 2nd quarter, but couldn’t stay consistent with their shots. They outscored the Lakers in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, but the big hole the Warriors dug from the 1st quarter was too big to overcome in the 4th.

Even though we lost in a blowout, I still like a lot of what Smart has done so far. The team is running plays that is giving them wide open looks, even against a great defensive team like the Lakers. The problem is that the Warriors have to make those wide open shots that they’re getting when they run those plays. The only thing I don’t like from Smart is that he gave up too early that game and he needs to better utilize David Lee’s scoring abilities. More pick and rolls, please.

by Precise Films Productions on Nov 1, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think Smart was prepared for the Lakers manhandling them like that.

He’s gonna have to regroup earlier. That said, I don’t think AB is 100% yet. He’s not as aggressive as before. As for giving up, Lee wasn’t effective so I thought he was trying something else to give them a spark except DWright, Monta and Dubz could not get them going either. The Warriors finally got going after Lin came in (I thought Smart was trying something different besides Reggie or Monta). I liked the way Lin kept the Warriors spread out, but he’s not ready yet to step up to backup PG. We may have to get a backup PG off the wire.

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by callahan on Nov 2, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, what happened last night?

by Missing Barry on Nov 1, 2010 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

The short answer is Smart got owned by Jackson. Beyond that, I’m biting my tongue.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 1, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t watch the game, I was watching the Giants game (and when I flipped to the Warriors and saw the score, I immediately gave up on the notion of flipping back and forth), so I don’t really know anything more than the box score….but I have a hard time seeing how there’s not more to it than that. David Lee didn’t even score! Him and Biedrins got dominated on the glass it looks like. Those are things that are more than just coaching issues…..

That said, the Lakers are better than us, and seem like a bad matchup for us in general. Not too disappointed by the loss, especially without Curry, but I was surprised it was as uncompetitive as it was.

by Missing Barry on Nov 1, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jackson opened with Artest on Monta, Fisher on Reggie, and Kobe on dWright. Reggie can’t handle Fisher on the perimeter. They followed that quick burst by hammering Odom from all over the court. At 4:34 we are down 6 -

Lee has 1 board and 1 shot.
Odom has 4 rebs, 4 assists, 5 points.

Dre 4 pts, 2 rebs, 1 assist, 1 block
Gasol 2 pts, 3 rebs, has been blocked twice.

By the time Smart stops the ensuing carnage at 1:23, we are down 14. Odom has added 2 boards, a block, and a steal. Gasol has only added 2 pts and an assist. Reggie has 4 pts, 3 rebs – between them Dre and Reggie have 5 of our 7 boards.

At this point Smart subs in Vladi for Biedrins and Bell for Reggie, and leaves Lee in. in the next minute Odom gets 6pts and a reb, Gasol gets another reb.

Do you really want me to go on?

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 1, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not just Smart

David Lee got owned by Odom/Gasol.

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by disguy on Nov 1, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's a given

but Smart’s substitutions only made it worse – see above.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 1, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lee seems to complain alot..

Had enough of that with Jax… I wish he stepped up yesterday because Odom is just hard guy to like and I would have loved for Lee to play at least compete vs him..

by Percie Harvin on Nov 1, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish he stepped up yesterday because Odom is just hard guy to like

 Barenett was just talking about how everyone likes Odom on the last game broadcast.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno. Lee isn’t as good as Gasol, I expect him to be outplayed. I still expect him to grab some rebounds and score some points and do something though. What happened in that game was the worst case scenario.

by Missing Barry on Nov 2, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

VERY, very interesting comment from Monta regarding Steph Curry...
“His presence was missed,” Ellis said.

That’s good to read!!

David Lee had similar thoughts. It is nice to see comments of seasoned players describing the hole that is left when we lack our true Point Guard and Steph is proving to be just that…I still maintain my call from last year, that Steph will be an All-star within two years.

While the loss is unpleasant… I have to say, props to Lin. I was actually impressed with his play last night and he showed the promise of a player deserving his space on this team to develop. Well done JL!

D.Wright and B.Wright looked good I thought, although I would like even more from both players.

Interestingly…. the Andris Biedrins issue kept nagging away at me. I truly think we need a Centre that can dominate the paint with Andris as the back-up centre. He’s good, but he just does not have that… ‘X-factor’ in the paint to make it difficult for teams to come inside and that I think is a major problem and has been for some time. I believe we should seriously look at what we can do to bring Marc Gasol to GSW.

I think we have players now at the power forward position in Lee, Wright and Udoh that will prove their position, however I am really looking forward to seeing how Lou Admunson will boost us. D.Wright in the small forward position, backed up by Carney and Adrien, I think gives us solid wing play, I could even see B.Wright playing the odd game in the SF!! role…. which would be interesting in certain match ups.

So what do we lack? To be honest… I think we miss CJ…. Quiet Storm did just that..he got on with business in a quiet manner and we truly need a proper back-up Point Guard to cover when Curry is either injured or off court. Ellis backed up by Williams and maybe another seems fine to me.

So…I believe we have players like Gadz (he is not actually that bad, but that’s why we need to use him in a trade) Radman and Bell, that have to go to give us a proper back-up Point Guard. Once that has been sorted, we can look at what we can do for next year for the starting centre position.

If those 3 players go, and we get a good back-up PG in return, maybe we can consider bringing back Chris Hunter as back-up Centre. Personally I think Hunter would enjoy playing alongside Lee and I remain convinced he can develop further as a good back-up centre.

But overall… I like the scope and balance of this team on the playing front… I do however still have reservations about Smart’s ability to react strategically to the other coaches moves, as I think was proven by Jackson.

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 1, 2010 7:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Honestly, I’m not so sure Marc Gasol would solve many of the problems you see with Biedrins. He would give us a better low post option on offense, which is good, but other than that, I’m not sure he brings anything else we don’t already have. If you’re looking for more of a defensive presence at C, our best bet might be to try to roll the dice on Oden. Those kinds of C’s are really hard to find…..

by Missing Barry on Nov 1, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

A guy that he would be thinking of would be Perkins, someone who can defend the paint

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by dubzfan on Nov 1, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you make a good point about Biedrins not being a “dominating” presence in the paint. And I know Riley is shopping around for a backup point guard. I read a couple of days ago, he was looking for the Rockets to release one, but they released someone else instead. So the backup pg issue is definitely on the Warriors list of things-to-do.

As for Smart’s strategy vs Phil Jackson, well, it is Smart’s first season as an NBA head coach (I’m not counting his interim year), compared to Phil Jackson’s xx number of years as a coach + the playoff coaching experience. Plus he’s also figuring out how his roster will fit together, especially his bench. So he’s got a lot on his plate right now. But yeah, eventually he will need to prove that he can out-strategize the opposing coach.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 1, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hear Sam Cassel is available. heh heh

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by Naticus on Nov 1, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't all that bad

We played solid defense, but could not get a board.

We played solid offense, but could not make a shot.

We’d move the ball to the open man, get an open shot, and not convert.

We played against the lakers without steph curry.

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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 1, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

"We played against the LAKERS without Steph Curry"

That’s the main reason we lost. Even with Steph Curry we’re not better than the Lakers at home.

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by JonDoe on Nov 1, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't all that bad

 No it really wasn’t. The lakers are very good and not having Binky makes us a lot worse than we’d be with him. I still think we’re on track for 42-47 wins and maybe the 8th playoff spot? which could provide an interesting first round series against the lakers :>)

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was pretty bad to me.

It tells me we are at BEST right now possibly we are contending for the last playoff spot… This is something we all already know, but what worries me is that this could be the case for years to come because the starting PF and C we have chosen for the next years to come are too undersized together. I am a huge David Lee fan, and I liked Biedrins in their We Believe years… but will that combo work against the great teams with true big man Center and PF’s?

The effort was there… but man Pau and Lamar really made our frontcourt look silly. They didn’t have to shoot well to win, the offensive 2nd chance pts were too easy. I felt like I was watchng corey maggette & tolliver trying to scrap for those defensive rebounds all over again. It wasn’t an effort thing, they were just too big for us. This is a problem we will continual to have with this lineup. I don’t foresee and amundson or even an udoh helping. It made me really wish we had a large bodied fellow out there.

Other downers to me.

- Carney’s shot. Now that is an ugly duckling to me… He was a spot up shooter for other teams?

-Biedrin has soft hands. Had that great hook earlier in the game… but he uses this weird underhand toss up that really looks awful. It’s unconvential and ugly.

- Dorell Wright dribbles decently, but can’t penetrate like I thought he might be able too. He’s got the length of Lamar, but I wouldnt say he has guard like handles like him. Which is A okay to me. Not even really a downer to me as long as he keeps playing the wing like he has been.

- Radmonivic was scared STRAIGHT. I dont like the guy on the court, but when he’s on the court he’s got to be a threat. There was that one drive that he had wide open, where Jim Barnett really went off on him for not finishing strong. If he keeps playing like this, I don’t see him with a job anywhere in the league…

- The Lakers didnt play a great game, and they still beat us pretty easily. How far we are from the top…

- Reggie Williams looked really out of it. Particularly slow. He was really out of his element playing point this game too. Surprised me a bit cause he was cool and collected last season when Nelson ran him as point. I would much rather see him as a SG and SF spark plug off the bench.

- Brandon Wright trying to shoot the ball from out of his range.

Here was the good I saw:

- Dorrell Wright’s D. He really gave Kobe some trouble with his length and athleticism. Not to mention that great weak side block. He’s the guy I’m most excited for this season.

- Charlie Bell’s D. He didn’t look as awful as I would’ve expected. He wasn’t slow… Offered physical D. He can’t play point, but in stretches he won’t be awful.

-Monta, I actually felt had a nice game. He was his usual highlight reel self, and managed to get it done, driving among giants at times. He is not the passer Curry is, but the guy is truly amazing. He’s got gifts. I’m glad we have the man over Mayo (thats right, I said it). There’s alot of places on the team we could get better, and shooting guard isn’t it.

- Jeremy Lin’s got the vision for steals. 4 in 16 mins? He played a good game. For a point guard that can’t shoot, he managed to play a good backup PG. He was the reason for that 9-0 run. If he can give 4 steals in 16 minutes, I won’t mind the 5 fouls. He must’ve been honored to guard Kobe, and have D-Fish push him haha.

- Barnes WIDE open and choking

- Brandon Wright when he gets the ball in the lane and rises for a smooth floater.

If I have to reach a conclusion from this game, I feel like our missing piece right now is a big Center. This game, along with our win against Houston, make it seem like this is a necessity. I’m not sure if that will come to us in the form of a backup C, or just a new starter, but we need a big body with some skills to help our D, and maximize David Lee’s skills.

by troymurphy on Nov 1, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

-Biedrin has soft hands.
- Radmonivic was scared STRAIGHT
- Dorrell Wright’s D.
- Brandon Wright trying to shoot the ball from out of his range.

Is it really so tough to learn our players’ names?

by jae on Nov 1, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.....

My comments were deleted??? Thanks Jae… I’ll be sure never to challenge the master ever again… Sorry Hova.

by Percie Harvin on Nov 2, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Percie, dude: I hid the comments ‘cos I didn’t think they added anything but noise to the thread. I don’t think it’s reasonable to whine and lob personal attacks at someone just ‘cos they’ve pointed out a spelling error. I think it is pretty reasonable to call out a post that contains not one but four misspellings of Warriors’ players names. It just reflects badly on GSoM as a whole. Imagine if, for example, ESPN or HoopsHype or the Chron consistently misspelled the names of our players. We’d probably take it as a sign that they don’t know much about the players they’re talking about.

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 2, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont know

It seems like there were posts of people saying they didnt think it was a big deal. To delete that kind of feedback is wack.

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 2, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is wack

and we’re not ESPN. It was actually more of a complement towards him. But w/e Sleepy.. I hope these power trips don’t continue. Why not add your opinion and let others comment on it instead of hiding it… I’m baffled you would compare this blog to ESPN….????

by Percie Harvin on Nov 2, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m baffled you would compare this blog to ESPN….????

I think ESPN and YahooSports and their associated blogs (Ball Don’t Lie, TrueHoop, e.g.) while not perfect, do try to maintain a basic level of quality that extends to niceties like spelling and grammar. It’s true that the standards for a fan comment are a lot lower than for main content, but I know Atma and FJ and Co. do want to keep the quality of comments high. if a mod or a respected poster occasionally steps in to point out egregious mistakes, I don’t see it as a big deal. On the other hand, if every time a mistake gets pointed out six posters chime in to lob attacks like, “ohh yaa burn hiz azz,” its tends to detract from the overall quality, readability and focus of the thread.

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 2, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

ohh yaa burn hiz azz

Hide that comment…Not the others. Those names are misspelled all the time.. Quite frankly, who cares. It seems a lot of other people felt the same way. However, because it was Jae, you immediately went into control mode because he is also a mod, and you don’t like when mods get called out.

by Percie Harvin on Nov 2, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quite frankly, who cares.

Exactly. Just rewrite what you said with the right spelling and move on already.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

sorry not for you to rewrite it but the first guy

just spell the names correctly, that’s it. Nothing fancy.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hide that comment…Not the others.

Well, there was also Skep’s rather pointless personal jab at jae.

You’re probably right that mods tend to look out for each other, but I think generally they’re more looking out for the overall quality of the site. I dunno … I just don’t get all the whining. Back when I was a “civilian” I used to get posts hidden periodically and it never really occurred to me to whine about it. If I had spent a while composing something and it got hidden, that might have bugged me, but for off-the-cuff one-liners like the ones that got hidden above, meh. To me, that’s just “tidying up” to make the place more readable and pleasant.

Alas, now I’ve wasted even more bandwidth ’splaining stuff, so I probably should have just let the comments stand… :-(

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm....

I dont know about this explanation. I understand a desire for quality control, but Jay’s post, for example, does not even address the points that were made, he is simply making gramatical corrections.
If there are 6 feedbacks saying the spelling errors are not a big deal, and those responses get deleted, then it’s really Jay’s post that is actually a “detract from the overall quality, readability and focus of the thread.”

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 2, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as GSOM is up

people will mispell names. It will always be that way. To chime in and point someone out when this happens, without any comments about the actual material being discussed is the true distraction, not the 6 responses that say it’s not a big deal. If this bothers the MODs so much, why not start a website with spellcheck?

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 2, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

people will mispell names. It will always be that way. To chime in and point someone out when this happens, without any comments about the actual material being discussed is the true distraction

 yeah ,maybe we WANT to mis-spell the names.If you want to call this a discussion then let people discuss it in the way they want to discuss it .

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 2, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

come on, this is ridiculous

it wasn’t hidden because of some “We must spell everything right” campaign. It was hidden because of straight up personal attacks and trollish behavior. That’s it. It’s already been spelled out for you.

Percie, dude: I hid the comments ‘cos I didn’t think they added anything but noise to the thread. I don’t think it’s reasonable to whine and lob personal attacks at someone just ‘cos they’ve pointed out a spelling error.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you even read what I wrote Wally, or are you relying strictly on what Sleepy wrote

because Jae was not personally attacked… Westcoastwarrior made a good point.. Jae only addressed his spelling errors and didn’t have anything to say about the content of what was originally wrote.

by Percie Harvin on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall a comment by you that started with a reference to something about Jae being Jay Z. Don't remember the particulars but do recall it sounding kind of similar to these quotes

I don’t see anyone on this site getting paid for stat based anaylsis.. Keep telling yourself you "know" the game

I think too often you ramble on with your valley girl attitude thinking your all that…. Don’t take shots at Matt. He is one of the coolest cats in the warriors circle and you’re just a mod on gsom… Don’t be a hater.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was towards Sleepy and Evanz

actually but keepin digging in the archives to start up S***… Go back to the sactown. thanks… Notice you didn’t reply to what I said. I’ll put you on the ignore list. PEACEEE

by Percie Harvin on Nov 2, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

or I absolutely reponded to what you said

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

as for Westcoastwarriors, I am sure he made good points

I just know that when you hide one comment everything after it in the thread gets hidden automatically as well.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was hidden because of straight up personal attacks and trollish behavior. That’s it. It’s already been spelled out for you.

isn’t calling someone a troll a personal attack?
  if you want a discussion you gotta let people talk and not remove their posts. If you only want to hear what moderators want then why invite people to post in the first place? It’s dis-respectful to remove what someone took the trouble to contribute. It just makes the site look like it has an agenda that it wants to push but is trying to legitimize it with “discussion” , much like O’reilly or Limbaugh. There is nothing to fear about openness if one is truly searching for the truth.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah definitely an agenda ... or you know they don't want the website to turn into flame wars

I would agree with you though. I personally wouldn’t hide comments. Instead I would just throw down the ban hammer early and often.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Skep already said he wouldn't mind being banned...

It seems counter intuitive to me, but maybe people would rather not be allowed to participate at all rather than having some comments taken down for not following the user guidelines. We’ve always tried to avoid banning folks.

Wally, your first post here was hidden and you were sent a warning (by me). Since you were coming over from StR my first impression was that you might be a troll, but I’m glad you didn’t get banned because you are actually a friendly and insightful poster.

There have been lots of folks like that. Some people react to a warning by adjusting their behavior and continuing to enjoy the site and contribute in a positive way, and others throw a fit. Wait… am I talking about my kids again?

by olympicmike on Nov 2, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

IT WAS YOUUUU!!!

Yeah you are a lot more patient then I would personally be.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Skep already said he wouldn't mind being banned... It seems counter intuitive to me, but maybe people would rather not be allowed to participate at all rather than having some comments taken down for not following the user guidelines

 Haha, You got that out of context. I din’t say I wouldn’t mind being banned , I said i’d rather have you ban people for in-appropriate behavior than censor people for speaking their mind. If the site “discussion” works like Russia doesn’t it make sense to move to Sweden though? I’d rather see the site go back to what attracted most of us in the old days, freewheeling fun and some fresh basketball insights.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 2, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather see the site go back to what attracted most of us in the old days, freewheeling fun and some fresh basketball insights.

Basketball insight is never removed.

by jae on Nov 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Basketball insight is never removed.

 but a lot of the fun is.
  People come here to enjoy themselves not to be treated like a student or an employee subject to their superiors whims. When someone posts an opinion they deserve to let it be read and not subject to moderators prejudices. We are all fully capable of averting our eyes from that which we don’t like.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 2, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I said i’d rather have you ban people for in-appropriate behavior

This is exactly what happens, but instead of banning them on the first offense we remove the inappropriate post and issue a warning. If the user continues to behave inappropriately then we ban them.

If you want to discuss the integrity of debate here we can discuss how we’ve had a user making multiple screen names very similar to yours and posting things trying to make you look bad. It was confusing and mean spirited. Those posts were removed and that user was banned. We’ve had the same thing happen to Rev, Wally and Sleepy to name a few. Would you rather we not stepped in and cleaned that up?

When someone posts an opinion they deserve to let it be read and not subject to moderators prejudices.

You can keep repeating this as much as you like, but it doesn’t make it anymore true. You try to make it sound like opinions are being suppressed, but opinion and point of view have nothing to do with it.

The posts here are not subject to moderators prejudices, they are subject to the User Guidelines and Terms of Service.

If I went around banning people that annoyed me or hiding their comments you would have been canned a long time ago (well, ignoring the fact that outside of these discussions I think you are a general cool guy, and you entertain me much much more that you annoy me). The thing that makes this site so much fun is that we have a diverse group of hoops fans that can come together and talk about the Warriors (among other things) and learn something from each other. That’s exactly what I love about GSoM. Why would I or any other member of the staff stifle that? The answer is that we wouldn’t and we don’t.

What we do is remove spam, swearing, and personal attacks so that the real discussion can advance, and we can all continue to enjoy this place. That’s it. Case closed.

If you don’t trust the judgment of the folks that keep this site up and running for you and others to enjoy then maybe you should find another place to talk hoops, or start your own Warriors blog.

Of course I’d rather you stop harping on this point and go back to doing your part to make this a fun and entertaining place to hang out and talk W’s.

by olympicmike on Nov 2, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course I’d rather you stop harping on this point and go back to doing your part to make this a fun and entertaining place to hang out and talk W’s.

haha, It’s easy to not care about others viewpoints when you are in power but if you get out of favor you’ll be glad I’m harping against censorship. I don’t do it because I want to do it , I do it because someone should do it.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 2, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Skep, this tired, pathetic call that you’re being ‘censored’ is, well, tired and pathetic.

by jae on Nov 3, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

this tired, pathetic call that you’re being ‘censored’ is, well, tired and pathetic.

I totally agree and I’m looking forward to the day it’s not necessary :>) The way I look at it is that censorship is weakness, the good stuff will eventually win out over the bad stuff so there is no reason to fear the other side of an argument if you are on the right side.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 3, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

there is no reason to fear the other side of an argument if you are on the right side.

So you are saying they are censoring your viewpoint or opinions?

If they are in fact not censoring your views and opinions then essentially you are complaining about the mods upholding the guidelines. The only way they could is to either delete comments or just ban people. I would find it odd to suggest that one cannot enforce clearly written out guidelines on site decorum.

So which is it? Are they censoring your viewpoint and opinions or should the people who run this site not be allowed to enforce the site rules?

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 3, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

So which is it? Are they censoring your viewpoint and opinions or should the people who run this site not be allowed to enforce the site rules?

 The problem is they mass delete whole parts of threads instead of just picking out the offending parts so the conversations turn into meaningless bits and parts. I got no problem with them banning obvious trouble makers or personal attacks but lots of times the thing gone missing are just opposing viewpoints about the game. If a site is gonna be worth visiting it needs to have diversity of opinion and integrity of the debate, if we can’t trust the record to be correct we soon will not trust the site. Who would want to come to a site where they would be constantly told to shut up and follow the party line?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 3, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

How about you simply repeat what you typed before but instead don’t put it right under what the trouble maker said. And while doing it, don’t complain about it and act like they are censoring you. That is literally all you have to do if you are so concerned about it.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

here is another way of looking at it

Say the people who run this cite agree with you: because of the way the software works they are inadvertantly deleting quality stuff and it is not worth it to delete that stuff along with the rule violations. That means the only alternative is to stop the violations by banning violators early and often whether it is fair or not.

So which is it: would you prefer some comments be deleted with the offenses or few warnings with a quick ban hammer because those really are the two options you are looking at and you would know this if you have been around a few more cites on SB Nation.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 3, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is they mass delete whole parts of threads instead of just picking out the offending parts so the conversations turn into meaningless bits and parts.

There is no way to “pick out the offending parts.” We have no way of editing an individual’s posts and I have no urge to do so. There is no way of deleting a parent post in a thread without eliminating all the subsequent followups. If someone writes something that is removed, all the replies will be removed as well. There is no way around this. It’s part of the infrastructure SBNation provides.

Who would want to come to a site where they would be constantly told to shut up and follow the party line?

You keep repeating this. If it is really such a problem, leave. The garbage self-victimization and the constant pretending that there’s some “record” that you’re entitled to is lame.

by jae on Nov 3, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The victimization thing cracks me up

because in the end he is advocating a policy where the mods would have to ban people early and often.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 3, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are just trolling for a reaction now...

If you don’t understand this stuff, just ask. Consistently making negative assumptions about the people who moderate the site despite evidence to the contrary is insulting, and it’s a distracting waste of space. I’ve already spent a bunch of time trying to explain this to you, but I’ll do it one last time.

The problem is they mass delete whole parts of threads…

This is not true. They are hidden from regular users, but they are not deleted. If something is hidden by mistake it can always be brought back.

…instead of just picking out the offending parts so the conversations turn into meaningless bits and parts.

As has been explained already if you respond to a post which is not in line with site decorum when that post is hidden your response will also be hidden. That is they way the software works and there is nothing we can do about it. The best way to avoid this is to not respond to comments with swearing, personal attacks or obvious trolling.

We do take this into account when moderating though. If the post in question is only mildly outside the user guidelines and there is interesting, thoughtful discussion following it we won’t hide the questionable comment. I’ve left many a FanPost up that doesn’t meet site standards because there was interesting discussion in the comments. Many times the comments section is filled with posts that took 10x as much effort as the FanPost itself and when that’s the case we try to leave them up.

I got no problem with them banning obvious trouble makers or personal attacks but lots of times the thing gone missing are just opposing viewpoints about the game.

This is not true. Comments and FanPosts are never removed because of viewpoint. Yes, the occasional post gets caught in the crossfire, but it’s pretty rare that we lose anything substantial.

And I’d love to know what you mean by “opposing viewpoint” because the staff here has a diverse set of viewpoints. Are you accusing the staff here of hiding posts because they don’t agree with them? That just does not happen.

If a site is gonna be worth visiting it needs to have diversity of opinion and integrity of the debate, if we can’t trust the record to be correct we soon will not trust the site.

There is plenty of diversity among the front page writers, and even more among the users that come here to comment and write FanPosts. Those viewpoints are all allowed here, as evidenced by the archives which are filled with over 6,000 fanposts and countless comments on a mind boggling number of subjects.

Who would want to come to a site where they would be constantly told to shut up and follow the party line?

This is silly and insulting. There is no party line here. There are basic user guidelines.

You can either trust what I’m telling you, or you can continue to disparage the writers here. You’ve share your concerns, and I’ve explained what’s going on behind the scenes and what’s expected of users here. You haven’t addressed any of what I’ve said. At this point I have to think you are trolling, right? You are aware trolling isn’t allowed here, right? So do you want me to ban you, or can we finish this discussion in a reasonable way?

by olympicmike on Nov 4, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way...

Referring to people as “dude” or “bro” on such a consistent basis the way you do can also be seen a bad reflection on GSOM as whole.. fyi

Just to make sure we’re on the same page.

by Percie Harvin on Nov 2, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha. Personally, I’m a “Dude” man, not a “Bro” man. A lot of things “can be seen” a lot of ways, but I suspect Atma and Co. aren’t overly concerned by the use of either. In cyberspace you can’t use non-verbal cues in tone and gesture to soften the blow of what you’re saying; friendly terms like “dude” and “bro” help to provide that lost modulation of tone and avoid negativity and hostility. At least, that’s how I tend to use “dude.” You’re right that I do probably overuse it. Thanks for the tip, man!

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 2, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since when are you a mod?!

by Missing Barry on Nov 2, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, I hate that term! They asked me to be a semi-regular contributor; part of accepting that role is that you get some editing privileges. It’s obviously not free rein to delete stuff willy-nilly. They’d probably can me if I did. The goal is just to keep the site as friendly, interesting and fun to read (“unstoppable baby”) as possible.

I’m surprised you haven’t gotten the invite yet, MB. Not only are you an excellent writer who’s extremely knowledgable about hoops, but you’re also consistently respectful of posters with different views. (I can only aspire to your level of patience!) Keep it up and you’ll probably get the call-up someday…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 2, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, yeah I got what your role was. As for the idea of me joining the team, I’d probably politely decline if any of the site operators get that idea in their head. Moderation isn’t my style. Appreciate the words, though. ;)

by Missing Barry on Nov 2, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

You could always just write...

The site doesn’t have ‘mods’. It has in the past, but at the moment it’s just some of the writers that help out. Plenty of the writers don’t spend time doing any moderation though.

And for the record, if I was in charge of recruiting I’d definitely have you on my short list MB. ;-)

by olympicmike on Nov 2, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I may retire from my brief career in the moderation business, too, mostly ‘cos it’s such a pain to have to explain the same stuff over and over. And I do think we often owe an explanation for any “cleaning up” we inflict…

Somehow among all the GSoM staff you seem to have the ideal temperament for moderation, OM (in addition to being an excellent writer). One of those “be careful what you’re good at” deals… ;-)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 2, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

you know what baffles me about it

If mods didn’t clean up more of the personal insults, then they would have to ban people more often. It’s almost like people are asking to be banned.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

So in conclusion..

You come to the exact point I raised above!

Its a new dawn...its a new day...its a new owner ....for us!!!!! and I'm FEELING GOOD!!!!!!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 1, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

hah i read your post after i posted mine. probably should’ve done that in reverse… but im glad we are in agreement

jae:
hah spelling maybe wrong but my assessment is right. i’m gonna put the blame on them for having funky names.

by troymurphy on Nov 1, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey.....

Where is the option for ‘I watched both games at the same time!’

I had two screens up watching both games…AND it was 3am…. the word ‘Loyal’ comes to mind! :) Possibly ‘Mad’ to others… lol

Its a new dawn...its a new day...its a new owner ....for us!!!!! and I'm FEELING GOOD!!!!!!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 1, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

2nd Chance Points for LAL is what happened

They’re bigger and better. And none of our open shots went in and we resorted to contested shots. Nothing to panic about but it also puts the Warriors in their place. They’re no match for the Lakers.

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 1, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

True, but I do find it at least somewhat concerning that our team got outrebounded so badly. Lee, Biedrins and Dorell give us a very good rebounding frontline – they shouldn’t get dominated like that.

by Missing Barry on Nov 1, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I can blend both of your comments:

I think the Lakers really did put us in our place, and I think that is a good thing in the 3rd game so we can really identify our weakness’, and continue to make the changes we need to continue to get better.
Our inside presence has gotten a great upgrade from last year to this year, but we still have a ways to go before competing with Championship level inside play. Its true that they shouldnt get dominated, but the big Lakers are on of a few teams I could understand “dominating” our bigs.

I think this game was a good test for us. We got some questions answered:
who is our true backup pg? No one yet.
Are we big enough yet? No.

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 1, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Lakers, even without Bynum are bigger than our guys.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Nov 1, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

And better than our guys, but I still don’t expect our guys to get dominated that bad, and I expect our guys to at least hold their own on the glass considering how good they are at rebounding.

by Missing Barry on Nov 1, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This game was a reminder...

It was a reminder that our bench is not as good as they played the first couple games. Depth was probably the biggest concern for us heading into the season and it still is. We are going to have a hard time working through any injuries to the starting five.

I’m still feeling pretty good about the team overall. I was a bit disappointed that the game wasn’t more competitive, but when you are on the home court of the Champs you can’t expect anything to come easy. The Lakers really seemed to be giving open mid-long range shots to whoever the poorest shooters on the floor were, and unfortunately the Warriors were taking and missing those shots all night. Good smart defense by LA.

The team needs to start thinking about why they are fouling so much more than they are being fouled. Could be a fluke, but it probably has more to do with the way they are playing.

I loved Lin’s intensity. He wasn’t intimidated at all out there.

Lee seemed like he was checked out mentally. I’m not sure what was up with that, but they were down big early and it’s a long season so I won’t get too alarmed about that.

There is no shame in being out-coached by Phil Jackson, but I’m starting to see some alarming trends from Coach Smart. Before I’m critical let me say that I like the offensive sets that we’ve seen early on. He seems to be putting the players in good positions to score and playing to the strengths of his personnel. Also, I liked the zone D that they showed for a bit. It was effective, and hopefully it’s something that they will continue to work on and use from time to time to keep the other team off balance. The big problem is the rotations. I know he doesn’t have much to work with on the bench, but I don’t like the way he’s using them. I’ll wait a bit longer before getting too critical because it’s so early, but I’m not liking his rotations at all right now.

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by olympicmike on Nov 1, 2010 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

His rotations have been horrible.

And last year he was the guy giving Vlad and Mikki 30+ minutes a game while Randolph was not getting more than 25+ minutes… I really like him besides his rotations, but rotations are a huge part of coaching. He’s not playing small ball, but when you put in Vlad for Biedrins in the first quarter and you barely play Wright, it’s almost the same thing.

by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 1, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Smart really does take after Nellie quite a bit. If you recall, Nellie used to always talk about wanting to put the rookies in positions where they will succeed. Smart did just that with Lin. He waited for a road game to give Lin some real PT, so that the pressure would be off of him.

My only other comment on this game is… why is Radman still getting PT? He’s only made one shot in three games… Brandan is even out rebounding him. Plus, while he might not be as strong at defending the post, at least he challenges shots.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 1, 2010 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Brandan’s time will come soon. I will give it a month and expect to see B. Wright being the first big off the bench every game.

The Golden Glow is the only way to reach the upper level.

by Naticus on Nov 1, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d even prefer Wright defending the post over Vlad trying to do it. Vlad really doesn’t bring anything worthwhile to the table.

by Missing Barry on Nov 1, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandan's shooting much better, blocking shots, rebounding well, and the team plays well when he's in.

Smart is officially an idiot if this doesn’t change soon. He did the same thing with Rad and Mikki last year over Randolph, and now he’s starting to piss me off.

by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 1, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

And now he's starting to piss me off!!!!!

Did you stomp your foot when you said that? Lol.. This is only the third game of the season. Badman will probably not be getting minutes over Wright with his performance. I say wait a couple more games, if Vlad continues to get those minutes, then by all means, stomp those feet like you’re playing dance dance revolution

by Percie Harvin on Nov 1, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course....

Everyone will be fine if he doesn’t play Vlad.. Maybe he is showing something in practice that we would have no clue about. Maybe he is draining 3’s in practice making it rain like Seattle. You never know. Trust me, I curse his name every time he shoots and misses but calling Smart an idiot is silly. Plus, you act like the warriors are playing for solely for you…haha

by Percie Harvin on Nov 1, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Radman aka Badman

has only made one shot this year?? Someone correct me if I am wrong..

by Percie Harvin on Nov 1, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

he’s 1-13. 6 pts and 9 boards in 35 minutes. “Soft”, “tentative” Brandan has 19 pts and 11 boards in 42 minutes on 9-16. Despite the fact that every time Smart plays Vladi in at the end of the 1st for Dre it’s a complete fail, Keith can’t seem to remember that from game to game.

What’s the definition of insanity again?

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 1, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Game was tough to watch

I spent most of my time watching the Warriors game and followed the Giants game online. They dominated us on the boards, but they have the size to do that against a lot of teams. They were definitely more aggressive in attacking the rim, while we settled a lot on jumpers. They were good looks though, but we just couldn’t convert them. With their size too, it was usually one-and-done for us each time we attempted a field goal…while on the other end, they’d get a lot of 2nd and 3rd opportunities with their offensive rebounding.

I knew our chances were slim with or without Curry, but I was hoping for a more competitive game at least, especially after the last preseason game we played against them without Curry. But I’m still happy with the way the team has been playing overall. It’s our first loss, and I hope the team can look back at the game and learn from what they did wrong and also focus on what worked well.

by bObaBaLLa on Nov 1, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

What else did we expect?

Laker’s house, no Curry – we are a team that didn’t make the playoffs, they won the championship.
Add Lee having a horrible game (hopefully the only one we see) and the loss was a given.
Its cool – I look forward to playing them with Steph, in our house, when Lee exacts revenge – hopefully we even the series.

by tjmax on Nov 1, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugly game

I knew the bench would be thin, just not THIS thin.

If the Warriors are fighting for the 8th seed by the trade deadline, I hope Riley pulls the trigger & brings in help. Rad’s expiring is pure gold at this point.

On a side note: the lack of drama on this team is refreshing.

by StrangeDaze on Nov 1, 2010 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed. At least the team is together in this fight, and can come out and play without the hindrance of awful owners, indefinite injuries, and huge egos. With Nelson gone, a change in ownership (hopefully officially soon), and a happy Monta, it feels like there’s a huge weight off the Warrior’s shoulders.

by troymurphy on Nov 1, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent points

The proverbial black cloud — immortalized by controversies like Latrell Sprewell, historic draft blunders, and the dismantling of the wildly popular WE BELIEVE team — is slowly lifting from this accursed organization.

by StrangeDaze on Nov 1, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

should have kept cj

bell isnt it. where’s the backup point gaurd?

by 200k on Nov 1, 2010 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

One game. Tough to see our bigs get dominated like that, but it will happen sometimes. We need to focus on winning the games we should win. Beat Memphis and Utah, get set for a HUGE east coast trip against beatable opposition.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Nov 2, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

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