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Golden State and their brand new FLEX offense !!

 

Besides the new players that were brought to the Warriors this summer through the draft, trades and summer league, the one thing that hasn't been mentioned is their new offensive schematics. Keith Smart is indeed a Don Nelson disciple but remember he also has had coaching stints as an interim coach with the Cleveland Cavaliers and played under Bobby Knight. This season coach Smart has decided to use some portions of Nellie's offense but also use a version of the Flex offense. This new offense gives a lot more balance and structure to the Warrior offense in the half-court, where as previous years they have had major trouble.

Flex Offense

So what exactly is the Flex offense?? To know the flex offense all we have to do is watch some Utah Jazz' games. Jerry Sloan has been running his own version of the flex for however long he has been head coach of the Jazz (seems like a century!). The Jazz like to 'grind' offensively and defensively and although many of us dislike the Jazz for what they did to our We Believe team, we all know their offense is terribly efficient. Besides their all-stars, this is partially because of their flex offense that focuses a lot on screens, back cuts and slashing lanes. What Keith Smart looks to accomplish by installing the flex is a move away from Nellie's playbook (Isolations and 3-pt shots) and bring structure to the half-court offense.

Identifying the flex offense is simple because it usually takes a familiar form when first running it. Like the triangle offense, the initial movement of the flex offense is very predictable. The flex almost always begins with the ball handler up top, Biedrins/Lee at the free throw/elbow corners, Wright and Ellis or Curry (depending on who is the ball handler) behind the 3 pt line while also forming a straight line with Biedrins and Lee. The image below shows what the offense would look like should Curry be the ball handler.

 

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(Notice the straight line the players form across the free throw line)


After that formation, the ball handler would almost always pass the ball to either of the wings (either the 2 or 3) and then several screens and back cuts would occur. These movements would result in efficient percentage jump shots or layups. Now I don't know all the X's and O's of the flex but one thing is for sure, it is a lot better than Nellie's half court offense.

 

Nellie's Half-Court Offense :)

Ahhh, how much fun was Nellieball when it worked. Mismatches left and right, 3-pt shot attempts and isolation plays that when successful made Nellie seem like a genius. But my god, when the shots weren't falling it was AWFUL. First off, when people spoke of Nellie and his mismatch preference, they were really referring to mere isolation plays. Since Nellie almost always used smalls against bigs, many times the Warriors found one of their smalls being guarded by a bigger, slower defender. Well what would happen next after the Warriors found that mismatch isn't an offensive play but rather getting that player the ball and isolating him; if it was a big vs a small then there would be a post attempt where the big would back his smaller defender down and attempt an over the top shot, or if it was a small against a bigger defender then a potential jump shot or crossover/drive to the basket. Regardless, it was an isolation play where everybody else on offense would just stand and watch :/. How many times did we see unsuccessful Baron Davis freethrow elbow isolation plays. Or Stephen Jackson iso's and within the last two years, Monta Ellis elbow isolations. Heck, we complained many times that our superstars wouldn't pass the ball around (ex: Stephen Jackson post Baron, Monta post Jackson/Baron, Maggette, so on). Nellie's offense was good in the up-tempo and when the fastbreak was working, but against half-court defense, our offense was too iso-prone and downright horrible many times. Even though many of us argued that since we did not have a low post threat, our offense should defer to our perimeter star players, we could/should have used a more complicated offense to create and screens, passing lanes and cuts to the basket as opposed to constant elbow, isolation plays or pick n rolls with bigs that couldn't finish.

 

Though not always great in the half court, every once in a while, Nellie would bust out the old school sets and use a series of offensive sets known as Horns that were pretty good, especially when we had Al Harrington (and especially when Al could make his jump shots).

Horns Offense?

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(Nash signaling for a Horns play with his right hand, notice the devil horns used as the symbol for the play, used throughout the NBA)

 

The Horns offense is widely used by many NBA teams that want to space the floor. It was used by Nellie quite frequent at first and if you remember when Nellie was first hired as coach of the Baron Davis lead Warriors, his first season he said he would install a simple offense with several options. That offense was the Horns set. The offense spreads the floors by putting the two wing players on both corners of the floor for spacing and 3-pt shot attempts while the PF and C come towards the PG by the free throw elbows.

 

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(Ignore the scribbles and the X1 in the middle and you see the Horns set in its initial stage)

 

This offense is especially useful when there is a big man with a jump shot, such as Al Harrington, and a good roll man, like Andris Biedrins. The horns offense was used a lot and especially against the Houston Rockets where Al Harrington was playing the 5 spot and forced Yao Ming to guard him from the 3-pt line which he could not. This offense encourages the PG to make decisions and since the defending SG and SF have to guard their players at the corner 3-pt line, it allows for plenty of spacing for the PG to drive and pass to the open man. Again, a team using horns AND with a 3-pt shooting big is difficult to guard because it requires the defense to stretch which creates driving lanes. Besides the fastbreaking, no wonder the Warriors and Suns offense were compared together so much, they both used Horn sets a lot (Harrington/Marion/Stoudemire/Frye). Nellie used the Horns offense a lot with the 'We Believe' team and many of you will recognize the set if you watch the Warriors playoff run highlights on youtube. Though later on Nellie moved away from the simple offense and used slightly more complicated sets, still this season so far, I have seen Keith Smart used some horn sets and that obviously must be Nellie influenced.

 

What to make of this

Well, with the Warriors using more motion, screens, passing and backdoor cuts with the flex offense, the Warriors should be more fundamentally sound resulting in higher percentage shot attempts. The drawbacks of this is the Warriors won't be looking to fastbreak or forcing the fastbreak as much since they will feel their half-court offense will produce high percentage shot attempts and not rest on isolation, mismatch plays. Not to mention that the flex offense doesn't emphasize 3-pt shot attempts as much as it focuses on screens to create easy shots. The combination of the flex and horns offense should result in a half-court offense that is much more efficient and harder to predict and defend.

 

If the Flex is so good, why don't other teams use it?

Here is what makes me feel good about being a Warrior fan. Lately, the Warriors have been blessed with good passing big men; Biedrins, Turiaf (no longer) and now David Lee. Not only do you need a big man who isn't selfish, but a big who can make the pass. We've seen in the past Biedrins dishing out assists and David Lee in his prime with the Knicks was dealing almost 3 assists per game. The flex requires good passing big men as well as guards. We know on any given night, Ellis and Curry (though mostly Curry) can do some serious passing which is why the Flex works better with teams that can move the ball around than with those without it.

The link below shows a recent article on ESPN suggesting that newly hired Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau should install the flex offense and why the Bulls should have success with it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/18622/what-the-chicago-bulls-can-learn-from-the-utah-jazz

 

I may be a bit off on this thought but I believe the Warriors, Bulls and Jazz have a couple things in common regarding their PG and PF positions.

* Stephen Curry, Deron Williams & Derrick Rose - I am not going to argue who is better or who would we rather have, but one thing for sure is all three of these guys can score and most importantly pass the ball. Crucial elements for the flex offense

* David Lee, Paul Millsap & Carlos Boozer - Each of these players are low post threats, whether it be on the low post, offensive boards or low post passing, they each require the defense to focus on these players. Not to mention that these 3 players are the primary low post threats for their respective teams. (by the way Millsap is killing right now, he not only whooped on the Heat, but he is outplaying teammate Al Jefferson as the primary low post scorer at the moment).

This being said, several other teams could run the Flex, ex. Lakers, Thunder, but the fact is not EVERY team can run it which is why it feels pretty good that the Warriors can use the offense and have been successful so far with it.

 

Last Words

Allow the rant; the Warriors bench hasn't been as bad as we all thought it would be thanks to Reggie Williams... One thing that will greatly help is Lou Amundson coming back since he should bring as much energy as David Lee when on the floor and we should see less of Radmanovic... I feel bad for the Rad-Man but until he can hit that 3-pt shot consistently or unless we are playing against a small ball lineup, I'd rather hope we not see him at all... I am not so convinced with Jeremy Lin because a lot of people are hyped off of him just because of his one summer league burst against John Wall. Remember we were all hyped on Belinelli's ENTIRE summer league which resulted in a dud... how are we now going to be all hyped after ONE summer league game where Lin shined..? Lin seems to have good hands and he played well against Calderon and the Raptors but they do not have speedy point guards and I don't have much faith in Lin guarding quick or stronger PGs... The Warriors need more slashers because without Maggette, we don't have wing players attacking the basket.. Dorell Wright seems to shy away from doing that even though he looks like he can be explosive.

Lastly, WE BELIEVE is GONE! There is no rebirth of We Believe and to continue to reminisce about a completely different team that played about 5 years ago is dumb and rather sad. We all had great memories of that magical playoff run but that was seasons ago. The year before the Warriors made it to the playoffs, the Clippers made a deep playoff run where the beat the Iverson/Anthony lead Denver Nuggets in the first round and pushed the Phoenix Suns to a 7 game series. Then the Clippers sucked again, but one thing they are not doing is hoping for a second coming of that old playoff run, they r looking for a new playoff run and that's what I believe we should look to. 'We Believe' is soo '07 and naming this team as We Believe pt 2 is like having the USA Olympic team being named the Dream Team again. No team wants to be named after something prior, they want to make their OWN name that is why we should drop the We Believe slogan, that was THEN this is NOW.

 

 

 

 



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This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Great stuff, Rob3rt0. Rec!

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2010 7:15 AM PST reply actions  

Excellently written post

These strategies and plays are what I’d love to learn more about.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 11, 2010 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

Very informative.

Thanks for putting together such a post.

by srsrs on Nov 11, 2010 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent post

Thank you.

I’m not sure we’ll try to run less – the team is still built to fast break, too. What’s exciting is that we can apparently either outrun you or beat you in halfcourt if you try to slow it down. It appears to me that the flex should also yield more offensive rebound opportunities, since flow will wind up with your two bigs low more often than the horns will.

My only note is that no one should be basing their idea of Lin off of that summer league game – he’s had enough playing time since to evaluate.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 11, 2010 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

ya we are built for and excell at the fast break but, if we dont have numbers on the fast break

it sure would be great to have something in place to regroup and slow it down and call a few plays… also when we have a large lead as we have had in so many games only to see it dwindle i wish we could grind out the clock alot more and still keep some points coming in..
man im giddy over the dubs right now lol..

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Nov 11, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

good job

if we make it to the playoffs this will be great. because as things slow down and the game becomes more half court oriented we will need a much more reliable offensive system to go to than pure isos and jacking up bad threes. This is gonna pay serious dividends. Since we have the players to actually run this offense well i’m loving it.
this post proves we have one of the most informative fan bases in the nba.

by bioecon on Nov 11, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

Great read

I agree with all he points, even the ones about less Radman and Lin. Those are the only 2 players I hope never get up from the bench right now. Once Lou an Ekpe come back, we should definetely release Adrien (although I really believe in him) and get a real backup PG. Lin can still be here but we shouldn’t count on him this year, let him observe and learn then he’ll get his chance next season. Also I’m still hopefull we can package Radman and Gadz expiring contracts for an impact player…

by Babyface Assassin on Nov 11, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Me too

I would hope with their fairly large contracts, we can get a legit, experiences 6th man

Barbossa anyone??

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by Ro3ert0 on Nov 15, 2010 3:02 AM PST up reply actions  

The part I didn't agree with was the last paragraph and Lin.

First, teams like the Warriors end up with some kind of BELIEVE type scheme when one hasn’t been a championship team or will be underdogs going into the playoffs. They need to believe in the core values of what they are doing as a team. To me, that includes defense as part of your offense and is not just an offensive scheme. Faith can move mountains. Second, what you said about Lin doesn’t make any sense. It’s all right you don’t like the guy, but just because he’s hyped up doesn’t mean he can’t play. I see a guy who can run, handle the ball, spread the floor and play defense. He can run the fast break transition. What he can’t do is shoot from the perimeter and he needs more half court set experience at the NBA level to run a flex offense.

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by callahan on Nov 16, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Motto?

What’s wrong with ‘Run DMC’?

by breaker on Nov 11, 2010 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

Unoriginal?

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 11, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Carroll Williams, long time coach at SCU, is usually referred to as the creator of the Flex offense – which has cutters usually running off of screens along the baseline, and then a down screen to free a shooter or if no shot then another cutter baseline from the other side. It was designed as a continuity offense in the pre-shot clock era that would break down teams’ defenses through repetition. It’s been copied and used all around the world, and even during the shot-clock era is an effective quick hitting play if the defense is not prepared to defend it.

This is not, however the offense the Warriors are running. At lease not in the games I’ve been able to watch. My guess is the name “flex” is either being mistakenly used or was appropriated from another source.

"It’s frickin’ Sisyphean to be a Warriors Fan."

by hardcore on Nov 11, 2010 9:49 PM PST reply actions  

maybe the flex offense started as one specific sequence of screens etc.

but nowadays there are about a million variations of flex offenses in existence. throw in all the options that advanced players have in a flex offense (cuts, flares, back screens, etc. etc.), and it’s pretty hard to even recognize an offensive set as flex a lot of the time, even if that’s what the coach is calling it. hell, the 2k series has a dozen or so “flex offenses” that players can call, iirc.

i’d be very impressed if a fan could spot a flex offense consistently. it’s hard to do sometimes even for people who have played in the offense themselves.

by davidgsw on Nov 12, 2010 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Evolution of the "Flex" offense...

I’m certainly no expert on coaching, but I do enjoy reading books and online resources about this stuff, just for my own education as a fan. One thing I’ve noticed is a lack of consistent terminology across the board. I don’t know that I’ve seen two resources that explain the Flex the same way. From what I’ve read the Flex is supposed to be a ‘Continuity’ offense, as you’ve described, but then many of the actual plays I’ve seen described as ‘Flex’ seem to actually be a ‘Motion’ offense, meaning that they are not a repeating pattern the way a ‘Continuity’ offense is supposed to do. I’ve also seen plays labeled Flex from a variety of formations. Rob3rt0 shows a 1-4 flat with the flat 4 at the FT line, and I’ve also seen a 1-4 flat with the 4 flat at the baseline, and a few others. One thing that seems to be common with most of the stuff I’ve read is that the offense is based around structured cuts and passes that require each player on the floor to be able to set picks, make the cuts, and be the passer. But I’m not even sure this is really the same thing people are referring to when they talk about Flex at the pro level.

I know most of the time you hear about the Flex in the NBA people are talking about what Sloan runs. I’m not sure how much resemblance there is to the original Flex offense, but Coach Smart has said that he’s borrowing from Sloan’s system. Just from watching Sloan’s teams over the years, I can’t say I’ve seen anything that resembles what a flex is supposed to be. I’m not saying it’s not a true Flex, but it looks more like a Motion offense to me. Not to mention he’s run a ton of PnR over the years.

Overall, I think that coaches all borrow from the systems they’ve been a part of, or studied. What you end up with is a blurring of lines between the traditional systems and the terminology that goes with them. I don’t think I’ve seen anything that made me think “Oh, a Flex offense” from the Warriors, but if that’s what Smart wants to call it that’s fine with me. The other factor, of course, is that you can draw something up a certain way, but when these NBA players feel they have an offensive advantage they will break away and try to score. This might just be happening very early in the offense before any patterns repeat themselves. Heck if I know…

by olympicmike on Nov 12, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think a lot of that is honestly how sophisticated the NBA is, along with a 24 second shot clock. They don’t have time to run through a motion offense long, and NBA defenses and players are so aware and doing so much to disrupt the offense you’re going to see constant counters, so the basic motion just isn’t how the set is going to play out that often.

by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The Flex has changed over time

perhaps the Warriors r running something a lot more similar to Jerry Sloan’s version of the flex than this guy Carroll Williams

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by Ro3ert0 on Nov 15, 2010 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I should have come into this thread a bit sooner, I know a thing or two about what we’re talking about. First, your diagrams are exactly what the traditional flex offense is. In my high school experiences, I’d say it was the most commonly used offense across the board. My high school did not use it, but I became fairly well versed in it because we learned it so we could practice against ourselves running it (kinda like a scout team in football runs the oppositions offense, but don’t make the mistake that I was a scout team player!). The basic motion that diagram lays out is the traditional motion teams run.

Now, the flex has evolved quite a bit, and obviously that’s only the most simple form of it without describing any of the reads. I don’t remember many of the intracacies of the offense, but there was definitely was a decent amount of room to diverge from that motion as you read the defense. For instance, if you’re the SG in that diagram, and your guy cheats into the lane before you make your cut so the PG can’t screen him, you can start your cut but then run a flare for a jumpshot. I think the common read on that would mean the PG sets the flare screen, then moves across the lane, and the C then sets a screen for the SG if he doesn’t get the ball on the flare. So the SG gets a flare, then a screen to come up top, looking for his shot all the while. Or maybe the SG gets the ball on the flare, but the shot isn’t there. C sets an on ball screen, and they can run a pick and roll that brings the SG back up to the top and you’re back into the offense again. I hope that helps highlight some of the possible variations possible within that framework.

Overall, I’d say the flex is generally characterized by two things: the spacing/positioning, and the flex cut. The spacing/positioning is fairly different from most offenses I ran (we generally ran various versions of motion where you can occupy 9 different spots – 2 corners, 2 wings, top of the key, either block, or either high post, and because my team was small, often we ran a 5 out version of motion). The main difference is up top. In the flex, the spots you occupy are some sort of hybrid spot in between the wing, top of the key, and high post position. There’s one spot on each side. If you’re at the wing, or the top of the key, you’re not where you should be. The second and most important part of what defines the “flex” is the flex cut – which is the cutter moving across the lane (the SG in that diagram), though that might not always happen depending on how the defense plays, like the flare counter I described earlier. It’s a surprisingly tough cut to defend, especially with screen for the screener thing going on (C setting a screen for the PG after the SG makes his cut). It’s also great to help a low post scorer establish position. As Roberto said, though, it’s crucial that everyone be able to make those timing passes through the key for the offense to work.

Final note: I love screen the screener plays. Best under the basket out of bounds play in existance: box that involves screening the screener. Two guards at the high post, two big men at the low post. Strongside big man sets a screen for strongside wing. Wing runs off the screen to the strongside wing position. Weakside big man sets a screen for the strongside big man at the strongside high post as this is happening. Strongside big man spins and rolls to the weakside block off the screen, weakside big man crashes down the lane to the strongside block. Impossible to guard unless the inbounder’s man has the awareness to help out (and even then, the wing shot might be open). Weakside wing just floats back as the safety valve.

by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Good work, and definitely an informative post, but your claims about production don’t reflect the stats. Our offensive efficiency this year is 104.5 on 53.6% TS, putting us at 12th in the league. Not bad, but not amazing. Last year, our offensive efficiency was…105.4 on 55.7% TS, tied for 13th. The year before that? 106.6 on 54.9% TS. The major difference from the Nellie years comes from our improved defensive efficiency – 110.1 in 08-09 to 109.4 in 09-10 to 105.1 so far this year. That’s tied to our vastly improved rebound rate – 50.8% this year, compared to 44.4% last year and 47.2% the year before that.

by genesic on Nov 12, 2010 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

All of our players

in the starting line up are more or less effective from mid-range, with the exception of course being Biedrins. One could even argue that Biedrins’ quickness, passing, and ability to drive would make him effective from that range. Jerry Sloan has absolutely been my favorite coach in the league for as long as I can remember. His offense has constant motion, and he preaches toughness on both ends. With our version of Stockon-Malone with Curry-Lee, I’m looking forward to how the team’s roster evolves around this offensive approach.

It appears that Riley is more than capable of thinking outside the box in terms of structuring a roster that is capable of thriving within a particular system, as opposed to looking for the most athletic, capable, one-on-one players who thrive in Iso’s, and bigs with range who allow space for these isolations. All other basic and necessary skills be damned.

Crawford, Harrington, Maggette, the days of dealing for such players is finally gone. It’s exciting to see the Warriors finally install a winning plan, adding players according to this plan. There was no rhyme or reason of acquiring talent in the past, other than their individual offensive prowess.

by lilboots on Nov 15, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

There was no rhyme or reason of acquiring talent in the past, other than their individual offensive prowess

There was total rhyme/reason to trades back then, whether or not it would save Cohan money!

by JustSomeName on Nov 18, 2010 12:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

$$$ > wins

thank goodness for new ownership. If the sale fell through & Cohan kept this team, I wouldn’t be surprised if this team’s core were broken up to save money.

by srsrs on Nov 18, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

great read man,

thanks for dropping the basketball knowledge, keep writing articles like this and I’ll keep reading them :)

by Aware1 on Nov 14, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

u r correct

it was a Denver Nuggets lead by Carmelo Anthony and Andre Miller

Good lookin

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They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury

by Ro3ert0 on Nov 15, 2010 3:04 AM PST up reply actions  

No hands of stone BIG men!

Look at how well two men ran that offense for Jerry Sloan — Stockton 2 Malone. We just need a Karl Malone, Kareem or Hakeem type at PF/C since we got a John Stockton in Stephen Curry.

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by callahan on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

For guys like AB and BWright...

I’d set up a play or two for them, so they can get touches early, score and get in the flow of the offense. They’re more opportunity type guys than guys who can create their own offense.

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by callahan on Nov 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, we need a dominant scoring big man. When that happens, we’ll win a championshup.

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by Reverend_Randy on Nov 16, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been saying Dwight Howard = Championship.

Maybe Marc Gasol would get us close. We coulda picked him in the 2007 draft (he went #48), so the draft is the way to go. Right now, neither AB nor Lou Amundson help us on offense.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Nov 17, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Offensive rebounds help your offense, a lot.

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by Supafishal on Nov 17, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant they're not scorers, but...

I didn’t think about their offensive rebounding skills. You’re right, both AB and Amundson are good offensive rebounders, so they help in that regard.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Nov 18, 2010 5:24 AM PST up reply actions  

There are only a few legit post up big men in the league

There is no way Orlando will let Dwight Howard go and if Marc Gasol has a much potential as his brother, then it is best to snatch him right away cuz right now his numbers arent that impressive point wise. But that could be due to the fact that he plays with Zach Randolph who is a better low post scorer than him.

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by Ro3ert0 on Nov 18, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The best post this forum has seen in a decade. Thanks for taking the time, this is GREAT material.

by sjboy on Nov 19, 2010 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

flex offense my arse

we have no offense.

Goal: 8 seed!

by dso on Nov 22, 2010 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

we don't have a SINGLE FREAKING PLAY

that we can rely on. there are no back cuts. When biedrins has the ball near the FT line, NO ONE GUARDS HIM WITHIN A 5 FOOT RADIUS. They just pack it in the key. What’s the point of having your bigs out there if they create no defensive pressure? It works better with Lee, sure, but that’s just the 4 spot. All our 5’s are offensively moronic and there is no reasonable explanation why a player defending a warriors 5 would come out near the FT line to defend their player. And so one half of what makes the flex offense so great is completely useless; it’s like having boxing against a one-armed fighter — you only have to defend against one hand.

At least give biedrins a chance to use his passing skills by drawing defenders. PUT HIM THE FREAKING POST. Then run curry or ellis off him with the option to back cut or just cut at their disposal. This creates defensive confusion a la divacs/webber and stojakovic/bibby/bobby jackson. Right now, Biedrins with the ball in the “flex offense” is operatively useless.

There’s so many more things I want to get angry about, the this is my last point for now: STOP EXPECTING MONTA TO BAIL YOU OUT. This offense if freaking ridiculous and keeps putting MOnta in bad spots with the shot clock running down. And please, Smart, for the love of GOD PLEASE RUN MONTA OFF SOME SCREENS. Right now he has but two options on O: shoot the jumper or drive it in, all off the dribble. Run him off some screens so he can get a running start without the ball. And then have the guy setting the screen ROLL — WASNT THIS OFFENSE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PICK AND ROLLS?

Smart may get his players feeling good. He may be more “traditional” in his lineups. But his offensive schemes are dull and unresponsive. Hire yousrelf and offensive coordinator SMart, or do something, but please realize your offense FAILS.

Goal: 8 seed!

by dso on Nov 22, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree on the second part, especially running Monta off screens. He moves very well without the ball, and we have plenty of guys who are capable of making the pass when it needs to be made.

I’m less in agreement with the first part. That Biedrins man is way off him does not have to be a problem. It actually opens up a number of passing lanes, and it opens up opportunities for Biedrins as a screen setter up top. If Biedrins swings the ball and Monta comes off a screen from Biedrins while Biedrins man is still sagging off, there’s no help defense on Monta. The problem comes when the main option we’re looking for is down around the hoop – the area Biedrins man IS clogging up. And unfortunately, that’s one of the primary reads in the flex offense, and we might not be running enough good counters to take advantage of what the D is doing.

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

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